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I'm stumped. And agitated.
I'm stumpitated.
Every Cyanogen-based ROM i flash, I cannot get Wifi or mobile web to connect.
This is true of all current Froyo builds (all Cyanogen) and roms like Droid Does.
Weird thing is, I can get connected to wifi and ping local computer IPs. But I cant ping any websites or load them in the browser or apps.
I am flashed to MetroPCS. Haven't had any problem in ROMS like PlainJain, xtrROM, Evil Eris, etc.
Anyone have any troubleshooting steps or insight? Thanks in advance - I love this community!
jessebwallace said:
I'm stumped. And agitated.
I'm stumpitated.
Every Cyanogen-based ROM i flash, I cannot get Wifi or mobile web to connect.
This is true of all current Froyo builds (all Cyanogen) and roms like Droid Does.
Weird thing is, I can get connected to wifi and ping local computer IPs. But I cant ping any websites or load them in the browser or apps.
I am flashed to MetroPCS. Haven't had any problem in ROMS like PlainJain, xtrROM, Evil Eris, etc.
Anyone have any troubleshooting steps or insight? Thanks in advance - I love this community!
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wifi works for me using Cyanogen-based ROMs i know for a fact because my phone isnt activated and i use wi fi
Are you using a custom kernel or something?
Hungry Man said:
Are you using a custom kernel or something?
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Not that I'm aware of - how would I find out? Do the ROMS themselves not define the kernel?
Beyond that, why would it work in all other non-cyanogen based ROMs?
jessebwallace said:
Not that I'm aware of - how would I find out? Do the ROMS themselves not define the kernel?
Beyond that, why would it work in all other non-cyanogen based ROMs?
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wifi does work , what rom are u using ? cuz again i have to use wi fi to test somethings and it works perfectly
tazzpatriot said:
wifi does work , what rom are u using ? cuz again i have to use wi fi to test somethings and it works perfectly
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I said Wifi doesnt work for me, not for you. Thats the issue altogether - it seems isolated for some reason.
I tried KaosFroyo, CELB and the CM direct, as well as DroidDoes (TCP's new cyanogen based). Can't get Wifi or Mobile to work on any other them. ROM doesnt matter, it seems to be anything cyanogen based for me.
Grdlock, Ivan, xtrRom, xtrSense, EvilEris, etc have all worked for me completely though - non cyanogen based.
jessebwallace said:
I said Wifi doesnt work for me, not for you. Thats the issue altogether - it seems isolated for some reason.
I tried KaosFroyo, CELB and the CM direct, as well as DroidDoes (TCP's new cyanogen based). Can't get Wifi or Mobile to work on any other them. ROM doesnt matter, it seems to be anything cyanogen based for me.
Grdlock, Ivan, xtrRom, xtrSense, EvilEris, etc have all worked for me completely though - non cyanogen based.
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i know ur not talkin about me lol im just tryin to help u out ,, sorry just tryin to help u out
tazzpatriot said:
i know ur not talkin about me lol im just tryin to help u out ,, sorry just tryin to help u out
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No prob dude, I know what you meant. Didnt mean to sound ungrateful
Its just such a weird thing, and I feel limited by it, and the fact that it seems to be so isolated is irritating.
Works for me on CM5 and CM6 ROMs.
hallstevenson said:
Works for me on CM5 and CM6 ROMs.
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Guys,
I know it works on other peoples phones. Not being rude, but I dont need a list of people who its working for. I'm asking for some help, some direction, some possible things to check.
Not to be off topic.. but can someone direct me to the CM direct ROM? I haven't seen that anywhere. Sorry if thats a stupid question lol
Its just the one with CM in the post title.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728866
jessebwallace said:
I'm stumped. And agitated.
I'm stumpitated.
Every Cyanogen-based ROM i flash, I cannot get Wifi or mobile web to connect.
This is true of all current Froyo builds (all Cyanogen) and roms like Droid Does.
Weird thing is, I can get connected to wifi and ping local computer IPs. But I cant ping any websites or load them in the browser or apps.
I am flashed to MetroPCS. Haven't had any problem in ROMS like PlainJain, xtrROM, Evil Eris, etc.
Anyone have any troubleshooting steps or insight? Thanks in advance - I love this community!
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Try my flash for metro here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730289
As always make a nandroid backup first.
Make sure you have booted your rom at least once successfully before applying my flash (it modifies the telephony.db that will not be present until after the first boot)
The problem you are running into is that in the build.prop the carrier info is still pointing to verizon, once i changed mine to cricket it worked, i assume changing it to metro would work for you as well.
I believe metro's proper MNC should be 310024 if you want to edit it manually, if i recall off the top of my head, anyways my flash should set that for you and get you squared away.
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Actually sorry i mis read this, my flash will not assist with WIFI but it should get your mobile network to route through metro's proxy and get MMS working.
This sounds like a ROM issue if wifi is not working, or something hardware related.
token419 said:
Try my flash for metro here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730289
As always make a nandroid backup first.
Make sure you have booted your rom at least once successfully before applying my flash (it modifies the telephony.db that will not be present until after the first boot)
The problem you are running into is that in the build.prop the carrier info is still pointing to verizon, once i changed mine to cricket it worked, i assume changing it to metro would work for you as well.
I believe metro's proper MNC should be 310024 if you want to edit it manually, if i recall off the top of my head, anyways my flash should set that for you and get you squared away.
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Actually sorry i mis read this, my flash will not assist with WIFI but it should get your mobile network to route through metro's proxy and get MMS working.
This sounds like a ROM issue if wifi is not working, or something hardware related.
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Already running your flash, boss
Doesnt make a difference on these roms for me.
Works nice on xtrROM, though
Hmm, so to clairify if you use CELB 2.8, boot it, then flash my flash, then boot CELB then reboot CELB that you still do not get mobile web/mms?
Weird, almost sounds like your not getting DNS or something.
if you do an NSlookup on like www.google.com, then on the phone try to ping the number you got from nslookup, do the numbers match or what comes back?
I think that this flash won't work for some Froyo ROMs for whatever reason.
Either Autostart doesn't start up (did it ever ask you for SuperUser permissions, ever?)
Or
u2nl needs to be in a different place (worth investigation)
Or
Your proxy is set correctly, so wifi is trying to go through the proxy (which may not work), but something else isn't working correctly, so wifi is looking through the proxy, but something ELSE is wrong with mobile network.
Do a nand backup
then restore yourself to a 2.1 ROM and make sure it still works.
Is the first condition I listed at the top of this post, the case? Or did it ask you? 2.2 might have a superuser issue with Autostart. That'd make sense, since the Proxy might be working (which would be why your internet won't work when wifi is on), but your Mobile Network won't (which, of course it wouldn't, of Autostart wasn't starting up).
jessebwallace said:
I know it works on other peoples phones. Not being rude, but I dont need a list of people who its working for. I'm asking for some help, some direction, some possible things to check.
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Sorry, but I don't know what there is to "check". There are NO options or configurations necessary with the WiFi setup.
token419 said:
Hmm, so to clairify if you use CELB 2.8, boot it, then flash my flash, then boot CELB then reboot CELB that you still do not get mobile web/mms?
Weird, almost sounds like your not getting DNS or something.
if you do an NSlookup on like www.google.com, then on the phone try to ping the number you got from nslookup, do the numbers match or what comes back?
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K, CELB 2.8 was the first Cyanogen rom to work, thats cool - but it didn't work with your flash. I had to do the manual input from the guide. I already had autostart.sh and u2nl in my root - does your flash overwrite them? still, even if it didnt, it should have set the right permissions, right? I wasnt until I input all the shell commands that I got mobile and app web.
I think that this flash won't work for some Froyo ROMs for whatever reason.
Either Autostart doesn't start up (did it ever ask you for SuperUser permissions, ever?)
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Yes, it did ask me for permission. On all ROMs ive tried, Froyo, DroidDoes, etc.
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u2nl needs to be in a different place (worth investigation)
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Seems plausible
Or
Your proxy is set correctly, so wifi is trying to go through the proxy (which may not work), but something else isn't working correctly, so wifi is looking through the proxy, but something ELSE is wrong with mobile network.
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This wouldnt explain while neither Wifi NOR mobile web doesnt work on either. I can't get either to work all all, and they both work on regular 2.1 OTA Roms (and now CELB 2.8)
Do a nand backup
then restore yourself to a 2.1 ROM and make sure it still works.
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I use xtrROM 3.0 day to day, and its always worked. So yes, it still does.
Is the first condition I listed at the top of this post, the case? Or did it ask you? 2.2 might have a superuser issue with Autostart. That'd make sense, since the Proxy might be working (which would be why your internet won't work when wifi is on), but your Mobile Network won't (which, of course it wouldn't, of Autostart wasn't starting up).
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Autostart asks for permissions, so I assume its starting i'll try again just to confirm. You mentioned the Proxy might be working which would cut the wifi - how do I get around that?
Hello all,
I'm aware that this might be better placed in the thread announcing the FW release itself, but there seems to be turning into wailing wall where ppl who raise issues but they're left unanswered (I asked the same questions there but in vain).
The issues / questions I have with wrt that realease
1) Serious issue: 3G data connection.
No matter what settings the phone does initiate a data connection -- I enabled "Use packet data", enabled "Data Roaming" (even if I'm in my home netw) and even set the network mode to "WCDMA only", but all to no avail: There is no 3G icon close to the signal strength bars in notification area and the the "Mobile Network State" in the Status is reported as "Disconnected" and the phone cannot connect to the data network
Everything worked perfectly fine in JM release.
2) The one click lag fix does not work on XXJPH
The one click lag fix linked from the first post in the release thread (namely this lag fix: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8223512) is, as per version 1.6.7 (which seems to be the last one) not relevant for XXJPH, but there are references to a "release 2" of the said fix. However, I cannot locate that .... Am I missing smth here ?
3) Input language selection.
There is a very limited set of input languages that can be selected. In particular, there is no choice for scandinavian languages (swedish / norwegian / danish). Can that be added ?
TIA for the feedback.
Florian
1) Have you set a valid APN in mobile connections?
2) I don't use a lagfix in JPH, its running very smooth and fast for me
3) no idea
I'm currently using 3G data and OCLF on my JPH.
Did you wipe your data/cache?
First and foremost, thanks for the quick input.
1) Yes, I did a data wipe / factory reset after flashing -- since that was what the FW instruction said (and it felt better that way)
2) Maybe this info is buried somewhere deep in the FW thread and I've missed it, but I haven't seen any instructions that I need to define an APN "manually" -- it all "just worked" in JM / JM1 without that.
Anyway, after you pointed that out I defined a new APN (took me a while to find how and what to set in there...) but now I got a 3G connection.
So many thanks for that.
The question on how to add additional input languages still stands.
Thanks again for the help.
What CSC file did you use?
Because I think the APN Settings are coming from the CSC, not the Firmware itself (PDA File).
FlorianO said:
3) Input language selection.
There is a very limited set of input languages that can be selected. In particular, there is no choice for scandinavian languages (swedish / norwegian / danish). Can that be added ?
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Why do people always forget that Finland (and also Iceland) are a part of Scandinavia? Anyway good to know this.
What about bluetooth? I read in the other thread it doesn't work properly.
Bluetooth works fine
1) You don't have any APNs set up (well none the phone can use anyway) - that's why you have no 3G (or 2G) data. Search for how to configure APNs manually
2) OCLF (one click lag fix) works perfectly with XXJPH. Make sure you have correctly rooted your phone.
3) This is a development release, not one which has gone through all the localisation that a full release goes through.
Seen a lot of people having problems with one click lagfix. From my experience the only thing that stops it working is having apps moved to sd card, use app manager and make sure all apps are on phone then re run and it should work.
On the other issuse i haven't suffered from any of them
FlorianO said:
2) The one click lag fix does not work on XXJPH
3) Input language selection.
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2. For me it workes fine, had to remove SD-card thou when applying
3. Use swype files from XXJP1
First and foremost, thanks for the input
stuclark said:
Bluetooth works fine
1) You don't have any APNs set up (well none the phone can use anyway) - that's why you have no 3G (or 2G) data. Search for how to configure APNs manually
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As I wrote in my previous post, as soon as someone pointed out that I need to configure the APNs I did that and now both Internet and MMS are working fine. However, I haven't seen anywhere mentioned that this was needed with this firmware version (and, again, this was never an issue with the previous versions).
stuclark said:
2) OCLF (one click lag fix) works perfectly with XXJPH. Make sure you have correctly rooted your phone.
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Are there any XXJPH-sepecifc OCLF instructions ? TIA for any pointers / instructions
stuclark said:
3) This is a development release, not one which has gone through all the localisation that a full release goes through.
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Understood...Is it possible to add localisation to this release ? Or is the only option to wait for the official full release...
drygmasken said:
3. Use swype files from XXJP1
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Can you please point me to where to find them and the installation instructions (I'm relatively new to Android...)
Thanks in advance for the help
Pume said:
Why do people always forget that Finland (and also Iceland) are a part of Scandinavia? Anyway good to know this.
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Thats absolutely not true!!
For Scandinavien readers: "no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skandinavia"
For all others: "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"
The original and "true" term Scandinavia is only referring to Norway, Denmark and Sweden. Sorry You Finnish guys!
FlorianO said:
Can you please point me to where to find them and the installation instructions (I'm relatively new to Android...)
Thanks in advance for the help
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7412595&postcount=73
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7412595&postcount=73
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Thanks again.
Sorry for being so thick (well, I'm new to Android...) but it seems that in order to (re)mount the "/system" partition in read-write mode (where these files must go) I must root my device anyway...
Or is there any easier/simpler alternative ?
2) The one click lag fix does not work on XXJPH
- Your phone has to be rooted.
- If you use One Click Lag Fix v1.6.7 by RyanZA UNINSTALL all apps on SD card: Settings-> Applications->Manage Applications->On SD card->remove all apps (e.g. Google Earth, Angry Birds)
You can re-install the apps after you have applied the 'OneClickLagFix V1+"
I've done some more reading and fixing it does look like "Major PITA": One needs to root the phone and there are some instructions on how to root JPH at this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8157213&postcount=289.
Still, that doesn't look for the faint of heart (or for those who lack the time and/or will to go through the process, for that matter).
Moreover, since the official 2.2 release is due in 3 days, I guess I'l live with the JPH as it is on my phone wait for that instead.
Thanks to all that tried to help.
ONLY problem I have is wireless errors sometimes, but can be solved by turning WiFi on in actual settings menu.
AdamDowning said:
ONLY problem I have is wireless errors sometimes, but can be solved by turning WiFi on in actual settings menu.
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Well, I have "issues" with that as well -- if the WiFi is turned on, then data network traffic goes through the WiFi instead of 3G (normal behavior). However, when the WiFi is turned off I need to toggle the phone on and off a few times before the 3G connection is re-established.
Anyway, hope that all that will be fixed in the official version...
Sometimes after cancelling calls my JPH just stays black screen ... need to pull the battery.
I found GPS really best through all builds ... but not satisfying. It gets a fix kind of quick but isnt very accurate :/
OCF, Bluetooth and swype are just working fine :> no issues there. Especially market is just cool ... no fix needed. Found flash and looks like all apps are there.
I installed the FroyoStone Sense - Version 3.2 (17-October-2010) on my HD2 today and it boots up fine and my phone call work just fine, but I cannot connect to the internet. Can someone please help me.
minzel1265 said:
I installed the FroyoStone Sense - Version 3.2 (17-October-2010) on my HD2 today and it boots up fine and my phone call work just fine, but I cannot connect to the internet. Can someone please help me.
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What are the stats of your phone? Have you checked your builds thread for FAQ or a specific issue; check on "search" tab in the builds page: but, it may be your APN settings.
I have read other threads about the APN, but when I click on the Access Point Names in goes into another screen that has APNs at the top and nothing else
minzel1265 said:
I have read other threads about the APN, but when I click on the Access Point Names in goes into another screen that has APNs at the top and nothing else
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Yes, click on it and it should bring up a list of settings. Click on my thumbnail for my settings, don't know if they'll work for you.
minzel1265 said:
I installed the FroyoStone Sense - Version 3.2 (17-October-2010) on my HD2 today and it boots up fine and my phone call work just fine, but I cannot connect to the internet. Can someone please help me.
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i had the same issue turned out to be a tmobile issue .make sure it works on the windows mobile side before you go crazy .
To Deadmansink:
Thats ia what I'm saying. There is nothing under the APNs
minzel1265 said:
To Deadmansink:
Thats ia what I'm saying. There is nothing under the APNs
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Then what you'll need to do is after you get to that tap on windows button and add a new apn, make sure to save it when finished.
i had this prob with 3.2.try using froyostone 3.4.boot it up,restart after 1st boot,see if that works
First off thanks to the developers who made this happen awesome stuff.
I have a couple questions,
1.
i did the flash and all and with set up i get English(spain), English(uk) but no english(usa) is there something i did wron on the setup?
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Im stuck on H on top of my info bar is there a way to get 3g?
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last question are these the setting to have MMS work? i can send a pic, but not recieve one
uSED A LITTLE ELBOW GREASE (search bar on this website) AND GOT IT WORKING .
anyways thanks ahead of time
n0re781 said:
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i did the flash and all and with set up i get English(spain), English(uk) but no english(usa) is there something i did wron on the setup?
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Is this a problem...really?
n0re781 said:
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Im stuck on H on top of my info bar is there a way to get 3g?
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H is better than 3g. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
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last question are these the setting to have MMS work? i can send a pic, but not recieve one
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Speak with T-Mobile. MMS issues regularly relate to the service provider. You should ask them to remove then re-add your MMS capabilities on their servers and to be safer you should create your APN settings based on the info on their website.
What build? Cyanogenmod builds or modified sense builds (like cmys) include the files needed for mms to work correctly on tmous.. they've been working great for me don't even have to enter the apn.
Swyped from my Cyanogenmodded HD2
dkl_uk said:
Is this a problem...really?
H is better than 3g. Read: [[/url]
Speak with T-Mobile. MMS issues regularly relate to the service provider. You should ask them to remove then re-add your MMS capabilities on their servers and to be safer you should create your APN settings based on the info on their website.
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well i only ask cuz i noticed when i whent on my google maps it would directly take me to spain, italy,..etc no big issue just wondering if some one else had an issue. =)
Good to know, im just use to seeing 3G.
i will check the website for specific APN thanks
squish099 said:
What build? Cyanogenmod builds or modified sense builds (like cmys) include the files needed for mms to work correctly on tmous.. they've been working great for me don't even have to enter the apn.
Swyped from my Cyanogenmodded HD2
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its used with cotulla, htc desire a8.. (sorry dont know whats the cyan or the sense build)
n0re781 said:
well i only ask cuz i noticed when i whent on my google maps it would directly take me to spain, italy,..etc no big issue just wondering if some one else had an issue. =)
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So your location was taking you to the wrong country? I had that issue on an iPhone 3, hence I only ever had an iPhone for a week before returning to HTC products.
The English settings won't affect your location. Google maps will first ascertain where your location is based on WiFi and then GPS. WiFi will inherently be quicker because it doesn't need a lock. I would suggest turning WiFi off for now, are you using a proxy or Tor network direct through your router? That would suggest why it thinks you're in another country. If it's your GPS then that is an entirely different issue and you will want to read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953630
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So your location was taking you to the wrong country? I had that issue on an iPhone 3, hence I only ever had an iPhone for a week before returning to HTC products.
The English settings won't affect your location. Google maps will first ascertain where your location is based on WiFi and then GPS. WiFi will inherently be quicker because it doesn't need a lock. I would suggest turning WiFi off for now, are you using a proxy or Tor network direct through your router? That would suggest why it thinks you're in another country. If it's your GPS then that is an entirely different issue and you will want to read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953630
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GPS is working.
i recallr y i mentiond the issue with the english(uk), english(spain) when i get on youtube it goes to youtube(spain).
english(Uk) is almost same as english(usa) ... : )
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english(Uk) is almost same as english(usa) ... : )
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LOL it is is why is there an option to pick english(uk), english(spain), enlgish(italian).
not a big deal i figuerd it out already. o well either way im happy with my htc hd2/desire. =)
Guys plz help i installed cyanogenmod 7 .....in hd2....the problem is with the screen resolution...its smalll i mean the keypad....etc...wats the remedy thanks in advance
Hello guys,
I have a P1010 with Gingerbread 2.3.6 and have the newest official skypeversion installed. Unfortunately the video-chat still doesn't work. I have found several versions here on the forum but I'm still not sure which one to install. Can someone help me here? Is it safe to uninstall my current skypeversion?
Thx in advance for your help!
I finally got it working after searching and working out that there are several builds of signedcom.skype.raider_2.1.0.46 floating around and not all of them work! In fact the Advanced Settings section varied wildly between them.
The one that I used with success was Build v11 at www.multiupload.co.uk/6WEIZZGTX7.
In Advanced Settings, I had to set the following:
Force-enable video-calling > ON
Avoid setFPS > ON
Use valid preview surface > ON
Then you will have to tweak Rotation in Advanced Settings>Front Camera (270) to get your face to appear in the correct orientation if using portrait.
I'm sure some other combinations and versions will work too but this is what has worked for me.
Hope it helps
Thx for your help mate . Do you by any chance know if its safe to uninstall skype. With Froyo I had the problem that I couldn't install Skype after I uninstalled it because there was some residual file (which could only be removed by rooting the tab).
I didn't have any residual file problems and I must have installed 4 or 5 different versions.
Give it a go.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Where can I find Advanced Settings? The app seems to have vanished from the Market Place.
You need to uninstall the Market version of Skype and download the one I linked to above.
Next install this version and sign in.
Now you can use the Menu button and you'll see Advanced settings as one of the menu items.
You don't need anything from the Market.
Its works! Thank you so much! Wouldn't have thought it would finally work ^_^.
Sadly with multiupload down and the multiple builds of signedcom.skype.raider_2.1.0.46 out there as you mentioned I am having trouble tracking down the exact build you used. Does anyone have a working link for the version japester36 is talking about? Would love to get this working.
I've uploaded signedcom.skype.raider_2.1.0.46 Build 11 to my Dropbox, you can get it from here.
Hope it helps.
japester36 said:
I've uploaded signedcom.skype.raider_2.1.0.46 Build 11 to my Dropbox, you can get it from here.
Hope it helps.
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Not there????
Just checked and it's still there.
Downloaded fine for me on a test.
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Hey all, just got a P1010, added the version of skype in this thread it works many thanks, although have one problem it only sends half picture the other half is black any ideas?
any help is appreciated
Stu
manicgamernet said:
Hey all, just got a P1010, added the version of skype in this thread it works many thanks, although have one problem it only sends half picture the other half is black any ideas?
any help is appreciated
Stu
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It does the same for me. I'll play with some settings, but not too much. I can't believe it works!
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Hi guys,
did someone managed to solve the "half-picture" problem?