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Hi everyone.
Since T-mobile´s version of HD2 is pretty different from the orginal HD2 and it requires a different rom, why not create a subforum only for this version? ..since it might get pretty messy with both types of rom mixed together in the same forum....
Some of the differences between HD2 and T-mobile HD2 version:
T-Mobile:
Radio - WCDMA/HSPA 1700/2100MHz
RAM: 576MB
ROM: 1GB
Standard version:
Radio - WCDMA/HSPA 900/2100MHz
RAM: 448MB
ROM: 512MB
and flashing it with the other rom might damage the phone! so yeah...
Just a thought...
Best regards
Claus
yes would like to see that
It would be nice. However I think it would depend on the developers. They probably don't want to maintain 2 threads if their rom supports both version.
Maybe someone could build a master list of their roms and sort them and maintain that list. Either in a thread here or google spreadsheet.
Yes I'd like that it'd be better i must say
Its an awful idea! If you split it into two different sections it would be much more difficult for someone to support both. In most cases someone would pick one or the other.. aka less rom's.
I disagree because there is too little to justify a whole new forum. If it was drastically different like CDMA and GSM then that would be necessary, but since they are both GSM, and the differences can be "easily solved" then we would just have to see which DEV supports which version in their own appropriate thread.
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I disagree because there is too little to justify a whole new forum. If it was drastically different like CDMA and GSM then that would be necessary, but since they are both GSM, and the differences can be "easily solved" then we would just have to see which DEV supports which version in their own appropriate thread.
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I think a new subforum would help. I only say this because there is danger of bricking your device if you flash the wrong ROM. That seems like a good enough reason to me. I'm sure there are other minor reasons at well that might not be known about yet.
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard, since most of the roms out now won't work with TMOUS, its only right we have a sub-forum, It's a great IDEA
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
start a poll if they see enough people they will do it, I did the same thing in the tp2 for Android and once we got 100 votes they did it.
Oh well, it's the "I'm more important than others" mentality again.
It wouldn't be difficult for the devs to state which ROM is suitable for the T-Mob version, no need for another subforum, for more duplicate threads to maintain.
kenkiller said:
Oh well, it's the "I'm more important than others" mentality again.
It wouldn't be difficult for the devs to state which ROM is suitable for the T-Mob version, no need for another subforum, for more duplicate threads to maintain.
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first of all, what is the difference between a rom that works.. and one that doesn't?
and I don't think anyone has bricked their device by flashing a rom.. thats only when they flash the wrong hspl.
and I'd just like to say once again that making a new sub-forum is an awful idea.
We do not need a new forum. Thanks.
that's a great idea! vote for yes
t69broken said:
start a poll if they see enough people they will do it, I did the same thing in the tp2 for Android and once we got 100 votes they did it.
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foney said:
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
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EXACTLY! Thats my whole point to not agreeing with the separate sub forum. Since they are almost exactly the same, just different sized NAND space, and radio antennas, the "different" shape happens to all HTC phones when they are sent to US carriers, different colors, button styles. That right there never gets separate sub forums in any of the other device sections, unless different cellphone technologies are involved, like with CDMA or GSM.
No new forum should be added, since well, to much more work for something thats not needed.
foney said:
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
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The key word is IF.
Suppose they don't label the thread properly which DOES happen every once in a while and it could be bad.
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EXACTLY! Thats my whole point to not agreeing with the separate sub forum. Since they are almost exactly the same, just different sized NAND space, and radio antennas, the "different" shape happens to all HTC phones when they are sent to US carriers, different colors, button styles. That right there never gets separate sub forums in any of the other device sections, unless different cellphone technologies are involved, like with CDMA or GSM.
No new forum should be added, since well, to much more work for something thats not needed.
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The MyTouch and G1 are essentially the same phone in different packaging and they have their own forums and most of the ROMs are designed for both. It just makes for a cleaner forum.
dornstar said:
The MyTouch and G1 are essentially the same phone in different packaging and they have their own forums and most of the ROMs are designed for both. It just makes for a cleaner forum.
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That is wrong my friend. They are not. They have shared ROMs is because the SPL's are almost the same, they are different devices.
This is completely different from that.
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The key word is IF.
Suppose they don't label the thread properly which DOES happen every once in a while and it could be bad.
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I could be wrong, but who's HD2 was bricked from flashing the wrong ROM?
I know I've heard of a few from flashing the wrong HSPL, but I haven't seen even one about the wrong rom..
The key here is that, people need to read, and its not that hard to label a thread. Plain and simple, more complication isn't necessary. I know separation for different devices is important, for the same device, it shouldn't be needed.
We all know that american cellphone carriers always have European phones changed to fit their needs. Here they upped the ROM size, and made the phone 1mm taller for some reason. THAT is nothing really different.
I don't see a point to this forum. I don't see other devices with carrier variances with a separate forum. It only fragments the process of finding a ROM, and if a ROM chief for the European HD2 wants to develop for the US version, they should just mark their thread accordingly. Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
Close or delete if needed, this is just IMO.
~~Tito~~ said:
I don't see a point to this forum. I don't see other devices with carrier variances with a separate forum. It only fragments the process of finding a ROM, and if a ROM chief for the European HD2 wants to develop for the US version, they should just mark their thread accordingly. Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
Close or delete if needed, this is just IMO.
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not everyone is as smart as you. Some people are real reading dumb ass's. This is good because noobs dont have this site down and it makes it easier for everyone trying to find the right rom.
The reason why there is a separate forum for the TMo HD2 is because the TMo HD2 is physically different to the other ones, it has double the ROM and two are incompatible with each other's ROMs. If you remember older HTC phones where the ROM was double (e.g. Elf and Elfin) the ROMs were actually compatible with each other and there wasn't the risk of people flashing the wrong one and completely bricking their device.
Leddy said:
The reason why there is a separate forum for the TMo HD2 is because the TMo HD2 is physically different to the other ones, it has double the ROM and two are incompatible with each other's ROMs. If you remember older HTC phones where the ROM was double (e.g. Elf and Elfin) the ROMs were actually compatible with each other and there wasn't the risk of people flashing the wrong one and completely bricking their device.
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Yeah, but look at the G1 and the MyTouch. Both have different Ram sizes and SPLs from their European counterparts. No separate forums there.
Everyone survives there, and those who don't is because they don't read.
If it keeps the TMOUS guys here and out of the other forums, then that's great for everyone
I have a TMo HD2, but dont know if it is USA or not....
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Yeah, but look at the G1 and the MyTouch. Both have different Ram sizes and SPLs from their European counterparts. No separate forums there.
Everyone survives there, and those who don't is because they don't read.
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Uh. Yeah, there kind of is a separate forum for the G1 and MT3G. But there, G1 ROMs simply work on a MT3G. Here, you can potentially brick your phone by flashing a ROM not meant for a TMOUS HD2 to it. There's a big difference.
also you are comparing two different OS's.
HD2 = WinMo
MyTouch & G1 = Android
big difference on how things work and are done.
im pretty experienced with this site, over a year and i read and read but its nothing like having the info right in front, it was hell trying to figure out how to flash my my tmo hd2, thanx to NRGZ28 for a compatible Rom, and trying to figure which roms are compatible, i like this forum and i hope it remains open and useful..
just my 2cents
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also you are comparing two different OS's.
HD2 = WinMo
MyTouch & G1 = Android
big difference on how things work and are done.
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My point is, is that the differences aren't really different. lol
I think this will only cause more confusions, because some people still wont read lol.
Ofcourse you dont see a point of this forum, because you dont have Tmo US HD2.
What's the problem? If you have a European HD2, ignore this forum, as you can't use what's in anyway. If you've got a US HD2, ignore the other one, as you can't use what's in anyway. Sounds easy, no? There's more than enough mess and activity in the general ROM forum, it's not a bad thing to keep it a bit cleaner and at the same time avoiding confusion of people not clearly stating/reading what their thread applies to. Now if people are too dumb to go in the right forum, there's really nothing we can do for them
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Ofcourse you dont see a point of this forum, because you dont have Tmo US HD2.
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lol Leave him alone his Mommy said no lol, don't kick a kid when he's down.
I'm down for a separate forums if it helps, and in this case because there are a few important differences between the Euro version and the USA that could be the difference in bricking your phone or not, not to mention it keeps the unwanted clutter out of other forums, and there's nothing wrong with making this more easily accessible.
In my case I'm just learning to fux with WinMo, and I hate having to search for shiz all the time(not because I'm lazy it just feels like starting all over again, coming from Android) The harder it is to find the longer it takes. It makes it a little easier for those of us that are either coming from another platform, or are just trying to figure everything out
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Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
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MyTouch and Magic forums are seperated.
(US) G1/MyTouch 3g = 32B
(non-US) Magic / Sapphire = 32A
MyTouch ROM are generally posted in the g1 forum because the have the same 32B board. Magic ROMs (non-US) are in the Magic/Sapphire forum.
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I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
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Is this not the same with any forum?
BlackElvis79 said:
MyTouch and Magic forums are seperated.
(US) G1/MyTouch 3g = 32B
(non-US) Magic / Sapphire = 32A
MyTouch ROM are generally posted in the g1 forum because the have the same 32B board. Magic ROMs (non-US) are in the Magic/Sapphire forum.
Is this not the same with any forum?
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YEAH WHAT HE SAID LOL!!
Not to mention Android forums are a little bit, how can i say it not better organized but almost like a little easier to navigate, most of the info is in the name of the post, WinMo stuff almost seems a little over complicated, I'm not complaining but there nothing wrong with making the forums a little bit more navigate-able. lol
Either way speaking of clutter and useless posts, you've obviously been out numbered, and I think more people are up for a separate forum for the TmoUS HD2 so this discussion has become kinda pointless? whats done is done and it helps in one way or another. Just wait till you get your HD2 (if you even want one anymore by May) and you'll see how much easier this separate forum has made your life
Its simple...
If you flash a ROM that is not based ont 2.10 you would brick your deivce, especially if there is a Radio included in the ROM that is not compitable to the USA device.
Not everyone is aware of the fact that a Radio ROM would brick the device if its not build for your deivce. I am not ashamed to say that I bricked my first T-Mo USA deivce after flashing a 6.5.5 ROM which had a different Radio that was not compitable to my device. With my experience I should have known better, porbably I was over confident. Tankfully, I went and exchanged my device claiming ignorance on my part on why the device stopped working.
If I could do this mistake, I am sure noobs are more likely to do that. Having a sub-forum for device specific ROMs is not a bad thing. All the chefs are coming out with ROMs and are clearly mentioning that it IS safe for a T-Mo USA device.
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
It's like flashing a Rohidum ROM on a Hd2 (probably a bit over kill )
So let it be...
VizagDude said:
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
It's like flashing a Rohidum ROM on a Hd2 (probably a bit over kill )
So let it be...
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Agree... This is very similar to separate forums created for the purpose of CDMA versus GSM.. to keep fewer n00bs (there will still be some) from bricking their HD2s.
If you have a TMOUS HD2, come here. If not, go to the other forum.
What's the problem?
LOL at the replys.
I do see the point but, I think there shouldn't be the need. Although, I remember when all the idiots who just found out about "ROOT" when they came to the G1 forum, and there where plenty who bricked because they couldn't read.
Anyways, I do [and don't] think there should be a need for this. There will be more consumer users since T-Mobile USA has them, and more idiot questions will arise then in the time before the EU HD2 came out. The main reason I am against this is that people tend to stay in one area that is already established and when they do have 2 threads, one of them doesn't get maintained as much.
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LOL at the replys.
I do see the point but, I think there shouldn't be the need. Although, I remember when all the idiots who just found out about "ROOT" when they came to the G1 forum, and there where plenty who bricked because they couldn't read.
Anyways, I do [and don't] think there should be a need for this. There will be more consumer users since T-Mobile USA has them, and more idiot questions will arise then in the time before the EU HD2 came out. The main reason I am against this is that people tend to stay in one area that is already established and when they do have 2 threads, one of them doesn't get maintained as much.
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I edited my original post because it was a little harsh. (actually edited twice because I keep sounding like a jackass)
Do you have an HD2? I'm guessing not because you seem to take a lot of pride in your sig (being as massive as it is). Just a tip, your sig makes you sound like a spoiled little brat, hence why no one takes you seriously.
I didn't really agree with this whole split but since there at it someone should make a hd2 u.s accessories section since the hd2 u.s. is a slightly different size from the EU version and requires specific cases and other accessories.
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3rded.
I get a lot of my cell phone accessories from here:
http://www.cellphoneshop.net/hd2.html
http://www.daydeal.com/site_search.php?q=htc+hd2
I agree also, since the posts which would pertain to that section are cluttering up this section... I myself made a thread asking for tmobile usa sized case recommendations...
Yes, please!
support! I'd like a case for my TM hd2
LatinSilEighty said:
Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...
I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"
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I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.
+1 for this
me too! +1
Bump
I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
RKnight1983 said:
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
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I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
RKnight1983 said:
I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask
Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...
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I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
Just throwing it out it there...
I'm on t-mobile but I use the dev/original dev forums of the "international" htc one. I think everybody does. Wouldn't it make more sense to combine all the forums into:
****HTC ONE****
>International HTC One General
>AT&T HTC One General
>T-Mobile HTC One General
>Sprint HTC One General
>HTC One QA
>HTC One Accessories
>HTC One Themes and Apps
>HTC One Development
>HTC One Original Development
If there's a carrier-specific rom, just tag it as [TMOBILE] or [ATT] or what have you. Its pretty ADD to have all these forums since the int roms work for all the phones. I doubt the TMOBILE dev/original dev sections will ever be utilized...
This is being discussed in the moderator forums at the moment actually.
The AT&T device appears to be the same, but the Sprint device is different. Flashing the wrong ROM COULD be fatal to the device. We never mix devices in the same forum where this could happen. Sprint HTC One and HTC One forums will never be merged. AT&T might be merged with HTC One.
You'll find out from the mods in due course if this goes ahead or not
Agreed. From what I can tell, there's absolutely no difference - development wise - between all of these "variants."
The only one that might need a separate forum is the Sprint variant.