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I don't see a point to this forum. I don't see other devices with carrier variances with a separate forum. It only fragments the process of finding a ROM, and if a ROM chief for the European HD2 wants to develop for the US version, they should just mark their thread accordingly. Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
Close or delete if needed, this is just IMO.
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I don't see a point to this forum. I don't see other devices with carrier variances with a separate forum. It only fragments the process of finding a ROM, and if a ROM chief for the European HD2 wants to develop for the US version, they should just mark their thread accordingly. Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
Close or delete if needed, this is just IMO.
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not everyone is as smart as you. Some people are real reading dumb ass's. This is good because noobs dont have this site down and it makes it easier for everyone trying to find the right rom.
The reason why there is a separate forum for the TMo HD2 is because the TMo HD2 is physically different to the other ones, it has double the ROM and two are incompatible with each other's ROMs. If you remember older HTC phones where the ROM was double (e.g. Elf and Elfin) the ROMs were actually compatible with each other and there wasn't the risk of people flashing the wrong one and completely bricking their device.
Leddy said:
The reason why there is a separate forum for the TMo HD2 is because the TMo HD2 is physically different to the other ones, it has double the ROM and two are incompatible with each other's ROMs. If you remember older HTC phones where the ROM was double (e.g. Elf and Elfin) the ROMs were actually compatible with each other and there wasn't the risk of people flashing the wrong one and completely bricking their device.
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Yeah, but look at the G1 and the MyTouch. Both have different Ram sizes and SPLs from their European counterparts. No separate forums there.
Everyone survives there, and those who don't is because they don't read.
If it keeps the TMOUS guys here and out of the other forums, then that's great for everyone
I have a TMo HD2, but dont know if it is USA or not....
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Yeah, but look at the G1 and the MyTouch. Both have different Ram sizes and SPLs from their European counterparts. No separate forums there.
Everyone survives there, and those who don't is because they don't read.
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Uh. Yeah, there kind of is a separate forum for the G1 and MT3G. But there, G1 ROMs simply work on a MT3G. Here, you can potentially brick your phone by flashing a ROM not meant for a TMOUS HD2 to it. There's a big difference.
also you are comparing two different OS's.
HD2 = WinMo
MyTouch & G1 = Android
big difference on how things work and are done.
im pretty experienced with this site, over a year and i read and read but its nothing like having the info right in front, it was hell trying to figure out how to flash my my tmo hd2, thanx to NRGZ28 for a compatible Rom, and trying to figure which roms are compatible, i like this forum and i hope it remains open and useful..
just my 2cents
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also you are comparing two different OS's.
HD2 = WinMo
MyTouch & G1 = Android
big difference on how things work and are done.
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My point is, is that the differences aren't really different. lol
I think this will only cause more confusions, because some people still wont read lol.
Ofcourse you dont see a point of this forum, because you dont have Tmo US HD2.
What's the problem? If you have a European HD2, ignore this forum, as you can't use what's in anyway. If you've got a US HD2, ignore the other one, as you can't use what's in anyway. Sounds easy, no? There's more than enough mess and activity in the general ROM forum, it's not a bad thing to keep it a bit cleaner and at the same time avoiding confusion of people not clearly stating/reading what their thread applies to. Now if people are too dumb to go in the right forum, there's really nothing we can do for them
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Ofcourse you dont see a point of this forum, because you dont have Tmo US HD2.
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lol Leave him alone his Mommy said no lol, don't kick a kid when he's down.
I'm down for a separate forums if it helps, and in this case because there are a few important differences between the Euro version and the USA that could be the difference in bricking your phone or not, not to mention it keeps the unwanted clutter out of other forums, and there's nothing wrong with making this more easily accessible.
In my case I'm just learning to fux with WinMo, and I hate having to search for shiz all the time(not because I'm lazy it just feels like starting all over again, coming from Android) The harder it is to find the longer it takes. It makes it a little easier for those of us that are either coming from another platform, or are just trying to figure everything out
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Its not necessary, since the Dream(G1), and the Magic(MyTouch) both have variances in Europe and USA.
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MyTouch and Magic forums are seperated.
(US) G1/MyTouch 3g = 32B
(non-US) Magic / Sapphire = 32A
MyTouch ROM are generally posted in the g1 forum because the have the same 32B board. Magic ROMs (non-US) are in the Magic/Sapphire forum.
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I already see that its full of useless posts and questions that should go in the General section, or some that should have been properly researched before asking.
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Is this not the same with any forum?
BlackElvis79 said:
MyTouch and Magic forums are seperated.
(US) G1/MyTouch 3g = 32B
(non-US) Magic / Sapphire = 32A
MyTouch ROM are generally posted in the g1 forum because the have the same 32B board. Magic ROMs (non-US) are in the Magic/Sapphire forum.
Is this not the same with any forum?
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YEAH WHAT HE SAID LOL!!
Not to mention Android forums are a little bit, how can i say it not better organized but almost like a little easier to navigate, most of the info is in the name of the post, WinMo stuff almost seems a little over complicated, I'm not complaining but there nothing wrong with making the forums a little bit more navigate-able. lol
Either way speaking of clutter and useless posts, you've obviously been out numbered, and I think more people are up for a separate forum for the TmoUS HD2 so this discussion has become kinda pointless? whats done is done and it helps in one way or another. Just wait till you get your HD2 (if you even want one anymore by May) and you'll see how much easier this separate forum has made your life
Its simple...
If you flash a ROM that is not based ont 2.10 you would brick your deivce, especially if there is a Radio included in the ROM that is not compitable to the USA device.
Not everyone is aware of the fact that a Radio ROM would brick the device if its not build for your deivce. I am not ashamed to say that I bricked my first T-Mo USA deivce after flashing a 6.5.5 ROM which had a different Radio that was not compitable to my device. With my experience I should have known better, porbably I was over confident. Tankfully, I went and exchanged my device claiming ignorance on my part on why the device stopped working.
If I could do this mistake, I am sure noobs are more likely to do that. Having a sub-forum for device specific ROMs is not a bad thing. All the chefs are coming out with ROMs and are clearly mentioning that it IS safe for a T-Mo USA device.
The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
It's like flashing a Rohidum ROM on a Hd2 (probably a bit over kill )
So let it be...
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The HSPL is different for the T-Mobile USA Device.
The Radio ROMs are different for a T-Mobile USA device.
The The RAM / ROM are different for T-Mo USA device.
The 3G / UMTS bands are different
The size of the device is slightly bigger (very minor) I only noticed when I was puttion on my Europe HD2 sleve on my T-Mo USA device.
It's like flashing a Rohidum ROM on a Hd2 (probably a bit over kill )
So let it be...
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Agree... This is very similar to separate forums created for the purpose of CDMA versus GSM.. to keep fewer n00bs (there will still be some) from bricking their HD2s.
If you have a TMOUS HD2, come here. If not, go to the other forum.
What's the problem?
LOL at the replys.
I do see the point but, I think there shouldn't be the need. Although, I remember when all the idiots who just found out about "ROOT" when they came to the G1 forum, and there where plenty who bricked because they couldn't read.
Anyways, I do [and don't] think there should be a need for this. There will be more consumer users since T-Mobile USA has them, and more idiot questions will arise then in the time before the EU HD2 came out. The main reason I am against this is that people tend to stay in one area that is already established and when they do have 2 threads, one of them doesn't get maintained as much.
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LOL at the replys.
I do see the point but, I think there shouldn't be the need. Although, I remember when all the idiots who just found out about "ROOT" when they came to the G1 forum, and there where plenty who bricked because they couldn't read.
Anyways, I do [and don't] think there should be a need for this. There will be more consumer users since T-Mobile USA has them, and more idiot questions will arise then in the time before the EU HD2 came out. The main reason I am against this is that people tend to stay in one area that is already established and when they do have 2 threads, one of them doesn't get maintained as much.
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I edited my original post because it was a little harsh. (actually edited twice because I keep sounding like a jackass)
Do you have an HD2? I'm guessing not because you seem to take a lot of pride in your sig (being as massive as it is). Just a tip, your sig makes you sound like a spoiled little brat, hence why no one takes you seriously.
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Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...
I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"
+1
I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.
+1 for this
me too! +1
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I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
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I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
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I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask
Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...
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I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
As far as what I've read, the T-Mobile HD2 can't run the same roms, etc as the other HD2's out there? so why isn't there a Android development page for the T-mo? Can somebody please put a "sticky" up so that us T-Mo users can find help/answers to problem for our phones?
The Android builds are basically universal, so there's no need for separate forums. You're not going to brick your phone running the different Androids like you would if you flashed a Euro ROM/Radio.
It would be an unnecessarily redundant exercise in unnecessary redundancy.
there no ROM android based
just SD card based
Because it would be ridiculously redundant. Its annoying enough that T-Mobile USA is its entire own category...thet really should have made T-Mobile USA ROMs a subforum of HD2.
Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765380
This post is up for discussion
Regarding the "HTC Vision" T-Mobile G2 & the "HTC Vision" HTC Desire Z, right now each one has its own separate subforum
We are talking about the same phone (with slight brand and band differences) over two different subforums. ROMs would be different, but the hardware is the same
DISCUSSION:
- Should the "HTC Vision" G2 & "HTC Vision" Desire Z's subforums better get merged ?
- Could there be more collaboration and cross-information in such case ??
- Have we previously had a symilar experience with another HTC device ??
- Or is it better to keep both phones' android development appart, over separated subforums ??
(and separate other future "HTC Vision" variants too, like the upcomming HTC Vision for Verizon, the ADR6325 aka HTC Merge/Lexikon)
- What's best for development / ROM cooking purposes ??
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Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
andrewilley said:
Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
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"Vision" is not obsolete, even official ROMs seem to be labeled as "RUU Vision HTC WWE etc..."
Some users @ G2 forums are reporting flashing the Desire Z ROM into the G2
EDIT: up to date only one user
and in the Desire Z forums some users are following the G2's root process
Time will tell for sure, but looks like they are the same phone,
just different radios and badges
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
By TOTAL coincidence I PMed one of the mods last night about this same topic.
I believe his/her intention was to bring it up with the other moderators to see what the deal is, since the G2 and the Z so far as we know only have very slight differences:
Frequency Bands
ROM size
this would fall under the same situation as other devices such as the fuze/touch pro (aka Raphael) (yes I know ROM wasnt different sizes).
If there were serious differences that would cause ROM incompatabilities then sure
"Desire Z Android Development" and "G2 Android Development" sub-fora would do the trick????
But as a device family they are still both a HTC Vision.
There @ G2's fora, by now, seems only one person has reported cross-flashing
I don't have a D-Z or G2 to confirm /deny, so
I am eagerly following the G2 forums (and the desire Z's release date ) for more evidence
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
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I had the same idea initially,
but no poll is required if the hardware is the same
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Our stance in a case like this where there is a USA variant of a phone that is nearly identical to the Euro-spec phone is to still have separate forums. This leads to the least amount of confusion. What would happen (and we've tried this for other devices in the past) is that some people will post their G2 questions (usually T-Mobile specific) in the Desire Z forum, thus requiring the moderators to constantly migrate posts. Also, G2 ROMs won't work on the Desire Z.
For now, we'll keep them separate. If anyone has a major disagreement (now or in the future), please send me a PM.
Well, IMHO it's a good decision to have separate sections.
See TMOUS HD2 and Europe HD2.
Shouldn't it be one general and two development then?
Like X10 Mini and X10 Mini Pro.
Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
Desire Z is starting to ship. Let's wait a few weeks to see the level of development there is for each device. If needed, we will merge.
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Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
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so... are we going to have yet another forum for BELL users only ??
hmmm...
as svetius stated,
let's see what happens when more of us get our D-Zs,
but lets not close the possibility
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Ponder this for a minute.
The G2 and Desire Z (although not yet in circulation) are very popular devices. By keeping separate forums for each device, your chances of finding accurate information increases, and helps the mods keep the forums cleaner. If the two were combined, I guarantee you that we would receive even more complaints about "noobs" posting in the dev section and creating new threads to ask questions that have already been answered. By keeping separate forums it makes my job keeping Desire Z clean (weeding out these complaints and stopping them from happening) and CaptainKrtek to keep G2 clean.
With that said, would you rather have easy navigation and a clean fora, or would you rather have the two combined, which IMHO, really holds no purpose?
I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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Yes, I understand they have already made breakthroughs on the G2, but what would be easier for an up-and-coming DZ owner? Weed through all the items in G2 fora or have a fresh start with a relatively new fora? Trust me, Devs will not limit themselves to the DZ fora for info. If there is something out there, they will find it, and incorporate it in DZ forum, you just have to give it some time. In the mean time, SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND
Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Lol, Damn Skippy! Congrats
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
Pickx said:
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
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It certainly holds its purpose for the HD2.
I can't see the benefit in keeping things separate. As gtrab said, I too am now keeping track on both sets of forums. Pretty much everything over in ROM development for the G2 is relevant to the DZ. There is going to be an awful lot of duplication over the coming weeks. Either that, or the DZ forums will be quiet with more and more people going over to the G2 side. But if DZ stuff is asked about over on G2, I presume that'll be off-topic. Seems like a mess to me.
I can understand the idea of waiting and seeing how it goes though, just wish the decision was otherwise.
Just throwing it out it there...
I'm on t-mobile but I use the dev/original dev forums of the "international" htc one. I think everybody does. Wouldn't it make more sense to combine all the forums into:
****HTC ONE****
>International HTC One General
>AT&T HTC One General
>T-Mobile HTC One General
>Sprint HTC One General
>HTC One QA
>HTC One Accessories
>HTC One Themes and Apps
>HTC One Development
>HTC One Original Development
If there's a carrier-specific rom, just tag it as [TMOBILE] or [ATT] or what have you. Its pretty ADD to have all these forums since the int roms work for all the phones. I doubt the TMOBILE dev/original dev sections will ever be utilized...
This is being discussed in the moderator forums at the moment actually.
The AT&T device appears to be the same, but the Sprint device is different. Flashing the wrong ROM COULD be fatal to the device. We never mix devices in the same forum where this could happen. Sprint HTC One and HTC One forums will never be merged. AT&T might be merged with HTC One.
You'll find out from the mods in due course if this goes ahead or not
Agreed. From what I can tell, there's absolutely no difference - development wise - between all of these "variants."
The only one that might need a separate forum is the Sprint variant.