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Is there a new tethering policy in place? I read that it was 10 GB before they trottle you but recent artickes suggests it is in fact only 5 GB? When did this happen?
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I hit 10GB last month (don't ask; had to travel a lot and no free wifi access) but never experienced any throttling. I didn't go over by much, but I never got a message and a check on speedtest showed full throughput.
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Thanks for you input, now we know for sure. So, the changes is from 10 GB no throttling to 5 GB with throttling.
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PaiPiePia said:
Is there a new tethering policy in place? I read that it was 10 GB before they trottle you but recent artickes suggests it is in fact only 5 GB? When did this happen?
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Happens in 15 mins. 10/16/2010
laristech said:
Happens in 15 mins. 10/16/2010
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Oh that suck, there goes the only thing good about TMO network.
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Oh that suck, there goes the only thing good about TMO network.
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What about the part where T-mobile doesn't charge more for going over the 5 gb cap?
skesseks said:
What about the part where T-mobile doesn't charge more for going over the 5 gb cap?
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Carrier should be doing that in the first place. A recent FCC ruling made it mandatory for ATT to warn the customer when they are about to go over the limit.
I know I will never use the 10 GB (even though the thread title is tethering limit, I actually do not tether), but having something that I used to have (paying for), ripped out of my hands just like that just doesn't feel good.
We don't have a tethering limit, you can blame those that do tether excessively for the reduction in the limit
I dont understand why T-mobile advertises its internet services as UNLIMITED when they pull stuff like this
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I dont understand why T-mobile advertises its internet services as UNLIMITED when they pull stuff like this
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It's been debated over many time, and I think the general census is that it is "Unlimited Access " but not "Unlimited Usage". You can access the internet when and where you want, which is the general idea.
From what I understand they don't bill you extra or turn you off, they just throttle you (slow you down) .
I saw the number as 5 gigs, kinda a reasonable number in my book. Even if you were tethering that is a big number if you just surfing and checking email. File sharing, big game downloads, and watching lots of videos would be the only way to hit that number.
Just my two cents
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PaiPiePia said:
It's been debated over many time, and I think the general census is that it is "Unlimited Access " but not "Unlimited Usage". You can access the internet when and where you want, which is the general idea.
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https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans...-phone-plan&WT.z_unav=mst_shop_plans_internet
T-mobile clearly has Unlimited DATA per month (and 5gb for webConnect plan) so there is a clear distinction between unlimited and 5gb.
(ps. Please understand I am not arguing/getting mad at you, just at t-mobile for pulling this stuff)
ward360 said:
From what I understand they don't bill you extra or turn you off, they just throttle you (slow you down) .
I saw the number as 5 gigs, kinda a reasonable number in my book. Even if you were tethering that is a big number if you just surfing and checking email. File sharing, big game downloads, and watching lots of videos would be the only way to hit that number.
Just my two cents
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It is true, Ill probably never hit that 5gb (I lightly tether, probably, 5 hours a week). But I only tether because my justification is: my data plan costs more than my home internet plan ($30 vs $15) so I try to use it to its full extent. The market for mobile internet is ridiculous..
I swear, prices between data and text message plans is highway robbery. FCC should really do something (beneficial).
/vent
Its unlimited, just not full speed after 5gb.
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anthonys2r said:
It is true, Ill probably never hit that 5gb (I lightly tether, probably, 5 hours a week). But I only tether because my justification is: my data plan costs more than my home internet plan ($30 vs $15) so I try to use it to its full extent. The market for mobile internet is ridiculous..
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Yea, I hear you there, between my wifes phone and my phone we drop alot on mobile internet, and I do tether when needed, but I by no means abuse it, I use about 200 megs a month, through tmoble. I use anywhere from 5 to 60 gigs through my home internet, comcast caps you at 250 gigs a month.
Both companys are just trying to hold up the abusers, file sharing is a major issue, (if I hit anywhere over 10 gigs at home it is because of file sharing)
The abusers are the issue, when one person uses as much as 200 other users it becomes an issue.
I don't agree with it, but I can totally see why they do it. It won't affect 99.99% of user's. And the ones that it does are probably doing things they aren't supposed to.
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Is there a new tethering policy in place? I read that it was 10 GB before they trottle you but recent artickes suggests it is in fact only 5 GB? When did this happen?
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I don't believe T-Mobile ever condoned the use of tethering on any of their devices.
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https://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans...-phone-plan&WT.z_unav=mst_shop_plans_internet
T-mobile clearly has Unlimited DATA per month (and 5gb for webConnect plan) so there is a clear distinction between unlimited and 5gb.
(ps. Please understand I am not arguing/getting mad at you, just at t-mobile for pulling this stuff)
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Pulling what stuff? This has been said before, T-Mobile will allow unlimited usage for their data plan, nothing states that they will not throttle your speeds. If it stated that they didn't in the past and then changed their minds then people would have room to gripe but that isn't the case. If you do not like their service then choose another cellular provider. I think Sprint offers unlimited 4g access when you pay the extra $20 or $25 on top of the fee for the data usage.
I called them abouta year ago when I started tethering on my g1 (of course I didn't tell them that) and they assured me that there is no such limit or charges. It ready is simply unlimited
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TheAdictsPunk said:
I called them abouta year ago when I started tethering on my g1 (of course I didn't tell them that) and they assured me that there is no such limit or charges. It ready is simply unlimited
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The call center reps are not qualified to make that distinction because of their lack of knowledge about the terms of agreement that you had to sign. They will tell you anything to make you happy, that is their job. This is not limited to T-Mobile of course. If you want to a definitive answer then just check your contract. It will state what restrictions there are for the data plan. I had to pull out the contract to make sure I followed the terms of agreement when I was messing with the firmware on a Clear modem they sent me so I could use it with my router and accidentally bricked the modem. I argued for 30 minutes with the rep for a new modem because she believed that messing with firmware for the modem constituted to abusive use of their devices without stating what is abusive use. She sounded pretty new to the job too.
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Pulling what stuff? This has been said before, T-Mobile will allow unlimited usage for their data plan, nothing states that they will not throttle your speeds. If it stated that they didn't in the past and then changed their minds then people would have room to gripe but that isn't the case. If you do not like their service then choose another cellular provider. I think Sprint offers unlimited 4g access when you pay the extra $20 or $25 on top of the fee for the data usage.
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Believe me, if most of my friends & family had AT&T, I would've jumped ship a longggg time ago (would've also been much happier & easier on the wallet with the 200mb $15 data plan).
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Believe me, if most of my friends & family had AT&T, I would've jumped ship a longggg time ago (would've also been much happier & easier on the wallet with the 200mb $15 data plan).
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Nothing is stopping you or your family and friends from changing providers. That is why there is a free market, don't like on service provider go to the next and so on and so forth. I am not trying to cause an argument, but the old adage, you can't have one's cake and eat it too, applies here.
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I swear, prices between data and text message plans is highway robbery. FCC should really do something (beneficial).
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They are not doing much because (which I just learned the other day) that taxes on cell phone usage (monthly plan) where I live is stunning 18%.
FCC probably want your bill to be as high as possible.
Now, this thread isn't really about tethering, I started because of the fact that T-mobile is reducing the amount from 10 GB to 5 GB. I understand the fair use policy so an artificial cap is fine with me, but don't lower the cap for everyone just because a few people are tethering to their phone, scale those who use more and charge them more.
Now, you might ask: If you never needed more bandwidth, why do you care?
There's distinction of being punished because you did something wrong yourself and there's being punished as a group because of someone else' mistake. If I can have 10 GB a month, I want to keep it at 10 GB a month irregardless of whether I used it up, it's the principle that counts: I signed up knowing there's 10 GB a month of bandwidth and it needs to stay that way.
Last night, the internet at my house died for some reason while I was watching a show on netflix. I decided to see if I could stream what I was watching through my N1 via wireless hotspot. I was able to finish my movie on my laptop, and there wasn't a single interruption!! However, it sure does eat up the data plan. I just looked at my data usage, and I had used about 450 MB to stream the program and download a large file at the same time. While that is a lot of data, I love being able to stream via my N1!! I am almost tempted to cancel my home internet and just use t-mobile's data for my internet access, but I reckon that I would get throttled back after about 5 days into the billing cycle since I watch A LOT of things on Netflix.
Anyway, I love this phone. That is all
Dude watch out... Carrier apps that tell you usage are not that current... My buddy watched a couple streaming movies and went over 4 gigs! Just be careful... And yes mifi is awesome as well as our n1s!
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I've been streaming Netflix through my N1 for the past month almost everyday and haven't been throttle yet. what's the limit now 5gb?
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I've been streaming Netflix through my N1 for the past month almost everyday and haven't been throttle yet. what's the limit now 5gb?
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Holy crap, dude, are you serious?? Maybe I SHOULD cancel my comcast internet! I don't know what the official cap is. Some people say 5, others have said 10 gb. Let us know if you do get throttled back.
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Dude watch out... Carrier apps that tell you usage are not that current... My buddy watched a couple streaming movies and went over 4 gigs! Just be careful... And yes mifi is awesome as well as our n1s!
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I didn't use any app to get my data usage. I just looked on my account usage on t-mobile's website, so I am willing to bet it was pretty accurate
if i get throttled down to edge i'll report back
my friend tells me that it's 10gb MAX but after November tmobile is changing it to 5gb.
I'm on rogers so I dunno if they throttle
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I've been streaming Netflix through my N1 for the past month almost everyday and haven't been throttle yet. what's the limit now 5gb?
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BS!!!
As someone that has Netflix as their main TV source, I know that even a little TV watching (eg 2+ evenings per week) will easily result in 20-30GB of data!
If you watch every evening, as you claim, for 2-3 hours you might break 100GB.
No way a mobile carrier wouldn't throttle you.
Throttle Work Around
I hear theres a throttle work around :
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there is a way around that throttle that doesnt involve anything difficult or technical. heres how you do it... change your settings from to 2G only(edge), let it connect, then when you see data flowing connect back to 3G. this seems to work for a majority of the people that try, some unfortunate people cant do it. i used to keep a 2G/3G widget on my homescreen so that i can use when needed. now i just use the per widget from cyanogenmod since it has the option. ive been doing this since january without any problems
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I'm on rogers so I dunno if they throttle
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Rogers doesn't have unlimited data. Their best plan was 6GB/month. You'll pay every bytes over the 6GB threshold.
Yeah man... It blows... Got charged 11 bucks for under a mb
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I got throttled after heavy net/video/audio streaming (they send you a txt). Watch out.
Well, I think getting throttled back is much better to the alternative of getting charged for data usage.
I been using my N1 hotstop to get on xboxlive and play video games online, and it works just fine, no lag at all.
The limit is being changed November 3rd to include either a 200MB ($10/month) plan or Unlimited ($30/month for 5GB, throttled after 5GB) plan.
They're also going to begin charging for Tethering and Hotspot, it WILL NOT be free anymore....which is ****ing ridiculous. If we're paying for unlimited data, so long as we're not going over our 5GB/month limit, why the hell should we pay additional for tethering/hotspot?
*source*
http://androidandme.com/2010/10/car...ll-overhaul-their-data-plans-on-november-3rd/
Seeing as we can all tether our phones as wireless broadband connections for our home networks, I'm curious how much those of us who tether use for data each month.
How much BW does everyone use and how much is too much?
I average around four gigs. I have broadband at home that's just general use and occasional tethering to my laptop while I'm out and about
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I use about 2 gigs on average.
I'm on the 150MB plan to save money so... yeah... it's actually not terrible though, with news readers like Pulse and dedicated forum apps like XDA I can read a lot of text on a commute and not use that much, and I've got wifi 99% of the time so for me a little hassle is worth saving $360 over two years. Although now I'm kind of wishing I got a 1 year contract so I could upgrade again next year when dual core LTE phones hit, but :-/
Has Verizon ever warned anyone about data over-usage?
Between 4-5GB monthly. They've never said a thing about overuse and when I am on the road a lot I tend to use more, as much as 10GB.
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I'm on USCC with my Mesmerize, I have a 5GB plan which I use almost all of each month. If I didn't have 3g Watchdog to keep track of it I would be dead xD
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I'm on wifi most of the time, so I usually use less than 1gb. I'd probably use 2-3gb otherwise.
I download torrents from my phone...my isp catches me evrytimes its so annoying. So i use my phone to dl movies...so sometimes i use upwards of 15 to 20 gb easy think its bad? Never been warned
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4 mb
I average around 6 but it used to be 8 gigs a month before CyanDelta
I know we had a thread open, but no one definitively came forward to say they received the notification. I am wondering if anyone has personally been served a tethering notice for non iphone, android use, or for excessive bandwith usage on the unlimited plan which many of us have, or will have thanks to the Iphone2g loophole: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008698 for more info.
I use my Atrix to tether almost daily. A co-worked also uses my connection. I use about 4-5 gig per billing cycle and never got anything from ATT. This usage started with my iPhone and Netflix. I can't wait until it is available on the Market. Until then I want to use about the same so there are no hiccups.
I have hit 10 gigs plus each month with my atrix and tethering. I use it for everything. Xbox live 2 computers and an ipad. Never been hit by ATT for tethering or excessive bandwith usage. I have also received 150 off my last two bills due to ATT not being able to provide HSUPA.
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I have hit 10 gigs plus each month with my atrix and tethering. I use it for everything. Xbox live 2 computers and an ipad. Never been hit by ATT for tethering or excessive bandwith usage. I have also received 150 off my last two bills due to ATT not being able to provide HSUPA.
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Sweet!! How you get the reimbursement?
I use 4 gigs on my phone alone no tethering what so ever and AT&T hasn't shown any interest
thats just my 2 cents
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I use barnacle for tethering on my iPad and iTouch and netbooks at school. Nothing yet. I use up around 5 gigs a month, and nothing yet.
I'm not expecting to be caught, but if I do, sucks for me.
I too used to use my iPhones for netflix (still do on my ipad and netbooks), so these data rates are abnormal for me.
moehagene said:
I have hit 10 gigs plus each month with my atrix and tethering. I use it for everything. Xbox live 2 computers and an ipad. Never been hit by ATT for tethering or excessive bandwith usage. I have also received 150 off my last two bills due to ATT not being able to provide HSUPA.
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You use it for xbox live? How's the lag?
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I still have my unlimited data package from my Iphone 3g. ATT just grandfathered me in each time when I threw in my sim card in my new phones.
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I know we had a thread open, but no one definitively came forward to say they received the notification. I am wondering if anyone has personally been served a tethering notice for non iphone, android use, or for excessive bandwith usage on the unlimited plan which many of us have, or will have thanks to the Iphone2g loophole: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008698 for more info.
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I reached 20GB from downloading Torrents, Streaming Netflix on my XBox, playing online computer games, PSN, and XBL. (One at a time).
That was last month and I haven't gotten a warning of any sort.....
When I play online it doesn't lag if I only have one thing connected at a time.
I used it for halo reach. It worked really well. Im sure it will be even better with hsupa. That was in raleigh nc getting around 1.5 down and 3.3 up.
Packetloss and upload we're undetected. NAT was moderate. Seemed like games took a little longer to load. Playing cyrsis 2 the lag was a little more noticable but still I can't complain. My wife tried playing nascar 2011 on xbl but was unable to get into a race. I did notice phone calls, text messages, and data traffic would kick me offline. But I can't complain it worked for me
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Interesting. I never thought about using my phone for online gaming. That's pretty cool. Didn't think it'd be fast enough.
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I am in the 4gb range at most with the occasional tether. I am so proud of you guys getting 20gb month, I would be too afraid to get caught plus there is so much free wifi around me.
For those of you running Xbox live, what speeds are you getting?(just curious)
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I used 50G plus this last cycle and haven't been hit with anything...use it for gaming and home internet...i also work for the company and have seen the news bout the letters but still don't know how they will track the data...its all up in the air and gwent been rolled out yet from what I know/seen. I'm scared cause love the teathering with phone for tablets and hate to see it go away.
JEEPERS CREEPERs MOTHA ****A
Here's something funny. My wifes iphone 3gs. Use to be mine. Jailbroken with mywi. She is on the 2gig plan. Used 886 mb so far with little tethering and she got a message saying she will be moved to a tethering plan if we continue to use tethering. As I have already stated
In previous post I use my atrixfor every. And im going to use it even more now with hsupa enabled. ATt can't do anything unless u let them.
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I used 50G plus this last cycle
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WOW! hahahaha
I haven't gotten anything. I tether daily. I average 5-8gb per month.
50gb? No wonder att throttles us.
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God damn... I get two gigs on fido and I have to pay if I go over. Seriously screw you guys... Knock me down and call me susan thats a sweet deal.
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I'm with susan on this one... for real, 50?
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Personally when I bought unlimited data a few years ago I knew I would take advantage of it one day. Now is the time
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my previous phone was the t9193 (imported hd2) and i was on the $10 dumb phone plan. I would hit 9-12gb per month, and never had an issue, tethering nearly everyday.
Just got my atrix a few days ago, (used the iphone 2g trick to get the unlimited data plan. sucks going from 10 to 30, but meh) and im already at 3gb. Almost all tethering.
I noticed something a little odd the other day. Since flashing CM& I had to re-install the Bell Self Serve app. I have done a bunch of downloads and for some reason, my unbilled data usage is only 6.8mb. I am sure I am using more than that. Its almost like is only registering what I use while in browser, not app or file downloads. Does the 500mb data plan I have only cover browser usage and the rest is unlimited ??
What plan do you have?
I have noticed the same thing. Download a 300mb file and at the end of the month its a 10mb on my bill. (along with self serve and tcare)
I'm on last year's student special plan.
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Be happy your self serve app works. Mine keeps saying it's not compatible with my account.
You can always send a text to 82273, and use the mobile menu system to check your data.
Or login to bell.ca, link your account to your bill, and then you can check your unbilled usage and compare the two.
Note: Bell now has a 55 Plan (fab 10 instead of fab 5, 200 minutes I believe, unlimited texting, and 1GB data for $55). Well worth the $5 difference compared to their 50M plan they had (fab 5, 200 minutes I believe, and 500MB data) I upgraded to it and it just took affect on next billing cycle.
Just use netcounter
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Its called Corporate Basic 36M. Here's a screen shot
I've noticed the same sort of thing. I recently switched from a 1GB plan to a 6GB plan. I was going slightly over my 1GB plan before but since I changed my plan to 6GB I've noticed on my self serve it's showing far less than I am using and because I have switched to 6GB I have been using a lot more than I would have previously. I am using the onavo data tracking app which told me I used 6GB total for last month yet my bill says I have only used 171mb total. This is with me tethering my phone to my laptop and using it for facebook, msn, research for school, youtube videos, several full length episodes of tv shows, downloaded a few small programs and so on. I am tempted to go by what selfserve says that I am using vs what I know I am using and onavo says I am using but I am afraid of getting a huge bill at the end of the month. Anyone know what might be going on?
Same here, Bell says I used 30 megs of my 500 meg plan, whereas ZDbox or other apps have me well over 500 for my bill date *shrug*
As far as i can tell, google Market doesn't count against the limit
As far as I know, if download an App or do anything, has been counted towards my 1GB bandwidth, cause within a week or so I see that I have already used up about 200MB.
BTW is there an app, which shows which app is using how much data from my connection.
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As far as I know, if download an App or do anything, has been counted towards my 1GB bandwidth, cause within a week or so I see that I have already used up about 200MB.
BTW is there an app, which shows which app is using how much data from my connection.
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I use ONAVO. It's really good and gives you 3 widgets. One is app watch which will tell you how much data each application has been using. Then it gives you a widget that shows your total data usage for your billing period and then there is live data usage which tells you how much data each app has been using in the last several minutes. It also offers a feature to disable your data once you have reached a certain limit to prevent you from getting charged for going over your data limit.
using 3g watchdog
Using 3g watchdog, pretty happy with it.
On a 500M plan, I have 200M on 3GWD and 164 on SelfServ. The truth is not much download.
I've been noticing this for the last 3 years. I had a 500mb data plan on my old HTC Touch Pro. I did not have any data monitoring apps installed on that phone, but my usage was always around 10-15mb per month, regardless of how much I used. I would download complete roms to flash on my phone over 3g, and still only have it show 10mb usage for the month.
Looking at billing details, each data session maxed out at a very low number, I forget how much, but like .091mb or something like that... but the data sessions would stay active for hours and hours so it all added up to not too much.
I then bought a sim card and a Nexus one a few years ago, and my data usage all of a sudden matched exactly what I was using.
When I upgraded(?) to the Atrix, I upped my data plan to 1gb, and have been experiencing the same data usage problems I had with the Touch Pro years ago. Monitor it with 3g watchdog, Onavo, or the built in data monitoring in ICS, and I always use over a gig, yet my bills and self serve always only report 15mb usage or so over a month. Somethings wrong with the data reporting, but Im not about to inquire about it, as I seamingly have unlimited data because of this. I do, however, still check self serve routinely just in case they fix the problem someday.