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Hey guys,
don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the current stage of android on HD2.
What the guys here established so far is mindblowing, but still we are nowhere near the performance of a pure android phone like the HTC Desire.
Question is, is it possible, with a fully optimized kernel and the OS running in NAND to achieve the performance of a HTC Desire?
Having in mind, that we are basically talking about the very same hardware platform regarding cpu/gpu/ram:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250
ATI/AMD Z430 GPU
576 MB of RAM.
So what do you guys think?
boba
I went to a sprint store with my HD2 running Darkstone's v5 and it seems to be just as fast as, if not faster than the Evo, so there's no reason to presume it wouldn't be the same for the Desire.
I think we will have to wait until
- we can flash android directly as ROM and not only boot it and have it running on a sdcard
- the full memory available can be used. Currently the amount of ram used by android is around 250 Mbyte as far as I know. So nearly a half of ram is unused at the moment.
I am very sure that we will have great performance mostly like on desire when these points are realized.
If I use a live wallpaper on my HD2, there are some stutters when I open the "all apps"-tab. With a static wall it is in fact as smooth as the desire I used for comparison.
But I guess the overall performance is still on a way lower level than it should be out of a fully utilized NAND
Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
when will an android ROM be available that runs from flash
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
I'm running Shub's Cyanogen and it already runs faster than my brother's Desire for the majority of tasks.
So yes.
@john00williams
how complex and risky is downloading a rar, extract it onto you SDcard, then running 1 exe file and waiting?! if after 10 mins you dont see android home screen, then you remove your battery to restart the phone and wait for new android build while using your old WM!!
you dont delete anything or remove anything.
how is that complex?? how??
also, fact that android is running from SD card only slows the bootup, while android itself is not visibly slower, cause WM is shut down completely and android is loaded into memory. for optimal usage you should have level 6 SD card anyway
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Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
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THANKYOU, I dont know why so many people are finding that hard to understand
john00williams said:
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
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Noone has any idea how long a full nand build will take, but I've read in a few places that a ETA is september...
All the devs are sharing their work as far as i can see.
there are 2 or 3 main builds now, the rest are older work...
Complex?
Get the right radio, rom, and put android on the root of your SD and run it.
Not complex at all, childs play infact.
the HD2 IS A GOOD phone. Just because you dont like winmo doesnt change that.
Maybe you should have researched a little before buying it...
If you wanted android, why the didn't you buy it?
to everyone else booting android on the hd2 is a bonus.
Please search before posting too, everything I just said has been said countless times
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it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
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Risky? It runs off the memory card, there is zero to little risk. Other than the phone heating up a little the phone being damaged is highly unlikely. And with SetCPU running mine doesn't heat up any more than it did under Windows Mobile when running intensive apps or services.
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i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
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You can tell you haven't tried out one of the recent Android builds. If I was asked to assign a percentage of usability to the Cyanogen build I'm using off my class 6 Samsung card it would be 95% and the few things which are still ropey aren't essential, or certainly not for me. I can live without full bluetooth support for example.
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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... and that makes sense definitly. It is much easier to fix issues by for example replacing a zimage file than flashing a new rom. Also we have the possibility to boot in wimo when problems occure. In my case I have four different android builds on my sdcard as I can not make a final decision which version to run yet. Some receive frequent updates, some don't.
So we should not see the lack of a nand rom too negative, its a great opportunity to fix most of the issues.
if only scrolling is smoother , all things willl be fine with me
Pagnell said:
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
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Likewise, I've not run Windows Mobile for about the same amount of time, even when people were getting issues with the early builds, I wasn't.
Windows Mobile for me is gone, even in its current state, it's far more usable than my stock HD2 ever was!
I'm still on Froyo1.0, I've not tried any of the Sense Builds out.
Phil
Ask any one a month ago how they liked the desire build they would have said its buggy and needs to be smoothed out. I have fixed every thing on my desire build (except 3g=working on it) but i have the energy rom now and 2.12 radio and runing the desire v5.7 biuld and let me tell you it is way faster than last month so sept. sounds great for the rest of the bugs to be sorted out so can the desire build run fast on the hd2 just like the born android desire? ill have to say yes
p.s. i cant say ill get rid of winmo all together thats kinda the reason i bought the phone booting into android is just one extra bonus
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
runemail said:
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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I have the htc incredible for my work phone. I am using a class 6 8gb sdcard, miri's rom, and darkstones hd2froyo. There is almost no difference between the phones. Less then 10% in speed. My incredible is stock however.
Will it be possible to put both android and winmo on nand in the future?
I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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add for that thet we have proper multitouch with no multitouch issues like one (desire , nexusone and incredible )
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
m2]iceman said:
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
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By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
As Motoman said, it will take time for everything to sync, but many reboots is very important. I have been using Mdeejay's Desire HD 4.1 for three days now, and don't have any problems. I must have rebooted 8-10 times the original day and that helped extremely well with speed.
motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
motoman234 said:
By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
i was having the same issue with the hd roms. i thought they were terrible. i now have MDJ FroYo HD v.4.3=-[kernel:MDJ S7.5HD] running very well. i had to change my rom to achieve this. the wmrom is useless IMO but it lets me run android hd now. i am using this rom
ChuckyDroidROM-HTCFrameworkEdition.Nov.05.7z
and this radio
Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14
i also install bsb tweaks in winmo and set to power save mode. turn off everything in winmo and auto boot to android with hard keys lit up.
it works for me
Same issue as OP here. All non-HD ROMs run really fast. But other Desire HD ROMs are plain terrible speed-wise. I have a good Class 6 card.
It's a kernel issue. There is nothing you can do.
Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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To each is own I suppose. I can only speak for myself when I say that a class 6 card made me have SOD every time when waking the phone from sleep, not to mention overall less performance. Not sure what it is about them but it was bad in my case but I doubt every single person will experience this.
vtec303 said:
I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
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It is a bit time consuming to get them rolling smooth for the first time but these are the steps I usually use when installing them for those of you that can not get them running like they should.
1) Boot up the build (fresh start)
2) Wait a couple minutes before unlocking the screen for the first time.
3) Setup everything in the SetupWizard.
4) From the moment you hit the "Finish" button on the SetupWizard, set your phone down for about 30-45 minutes before touching anything (OFF the charger if possible since it can get really hot when it is syncing everything for the first time. Charging can just add to that heat)
5) After you notice things to get a little faster, reboot the phone and then boot back into Android.
6) Wait another 5 minutes before unlocking the phone.
7) You should be good to go, if things still seem a little laggy try to reboot one more time.
I know this seems overboard but these HD builds have a lot to them. After you get the process over with you should be happy you did it. Once again **This is just what works for me** I am using Core Droid V0.2 by the way.
@Motoman234,
Not overboard...it's good advice. Thank you for the steps! P.S. Good to see a chef from my neck of the woods! Thank you sir!!
motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
ForceField said:
The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
u must just reboot you device after 1-st boot
hookguy said:
I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
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Yes,the secret of having a good performance on any device is to have 1/3 of the amount of RAM always free.
For ex if you have 3GB of ram,you can use till 2GB and you will be very good.
But if you use 2.1 GB of the 3GB then don't think twice and upgrade immediately.
We are using this equation on our servers and t works pretty well,at least for our company.
I've only tested desire_hd beta and Core Droid HD v0.2 so far. Nonetheless, both have been quick and solid here. Like mentioned by motoman234, give these builds time to sync your market apps and settle down, then reboot a couple times, and you should be good to go. If the build has heavy lag, it's most likely still trying to download your market apps and install them as well as sync your personal data. Patience is key here.
Also, this goes for every build, but make sure that your keypad lights are on when booting into android. Doing this has normally solved any high standby battery drain that I've run into to date.
As far as MircoSDHC cards go, I have tested a handful of different class and size cards with the HD2, and found that once the system is booted up, there's no difference, or the higher class cards have more SOD or freeze issues for some reason. The HD2 can only handle so much, and random read speed appears to be the most important factor. In turn, a good quality class 2 card should be all you need. That said, I've been running a Sandisk 32GB class 2 card for months now, without a single problem to date. Regardless of what card you use, I highly recommend using SD Formatter in quick format mode.
Another thought... it may help a little to use a standard wallpaper at first, instead of the live wallpaper, just until the system has settled down.
All that said, I'm a huge fan of Core Droid HD, due to the animations and polished theme work done by Sergio76. It's an excellent build, and you can easily get the camcorder working with the system files fix included in the thread.
On a kind of related note, motoman234 has an excellent EVO Sense Black & Blue Remix build available, if the Desire HD Sense builds are too heavy for your needs.
Best to all,
R
Well said, thanks man.
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Well said, thanks man.
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Cheers motoman234! And... thank you so much for your excellent build work and help. To say the least, your EVO remix has been extra solid here.
Best to all,
R
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
What is special about this build?
- What is special about this build is that the entire Android O/S filesystem is stored in RAM before it is booted.
What does this mean?
- Well, RAM is faster than NAND(ROM) and SD Card which in turn will make the build superfast too! Very fast. Very very fast!
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THIS Build as some who have it on their phones will testify is by far and and away the fastest build to date in Android development there is no faster build that im aware of, i can never see myself going back to "normal" Android builds again and credit must go to Darkstone this is a massive advancement in Android technology, my question is though, isn't there other chefs who can cook builds similar to this?
Merry Xmas to you all
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Dude there's another thread for this:
[http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872587]
superram is amazing, but i cant seem to charge to 100% straight in android (witch annoys me).
other than that i have it fully functional.
dapoharoun said:
superram is amazing, but i cant seem to charge to 100% straight in android (witch annoys me).
other than that i have it fully functional.
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Have you tried charging fully in WM before switching to Android. This should solve your problem.
I like Sense.. i like sense alot.. Sense means beauty and comfort for me .. I would sacrifise a bit of smoothness for a lot of Sense.. thanks..
Few days ago I copied darkstone's RAM build 1.5 to second SD card just to test it. And I was blown away with its speed. Second boot lasted about 10sec. Difference in speed in compare to any other build I tried is huge. Scrolling through the pages, opening and closing apps.....and the lockscreen is very nice
But I got huge data drops, internet in my case was working very badly. Also like Laynee1 I miss some stuff from sence.
But in any case I think that this is the way for me to go. Waiting for further releases. MDJ's gingerbread RAM looks promising. As soon as GPS is working in it I am switching.
Darkstone's build is working flawless for me so far. No data drops whatsoever. People complain Quadrant scores aren't 2000+, but thats not where the speed is at. It's basically just faster load times, and snappyness.
Also, since I hate Sense, there's no problem there
like i once said, ram builds are like sportcars, fast, no luxury, no interior, naked, raw and pure.. sense builds are the bentleys beautifull, full of gimmicks, just comfort and luxury.. besides that, the ram builds are crazy fast at navigating on the phone, but graphics are still choppy, like there are display drivers missing..
I like sense too but you when you have builds as fast aas this it doesn't matter, no data drops here either very happy with the build indeed
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like i once said, ram builds are like sportcars, fast, no luxury, no interior, naked, raw and pure.. sense builds are the bentleys beautifull, full of gimmicks, just comfort and luxury.. besides that, the ram builds are crazy fast at navigating on the phone, but graphics are still choppy, like there are display drivers missing..
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good description there mate
I really wish that some RAM version of CM builds could be made. They are very fast of regular SD. I can't imagine how fast it will run on RAM!
I tried Darkstones build and I really liked it, the only thing I missed from sense is the dialer.
duke911 said:
I really wish that some RAM version of CM builds could be made. They are very fast of regular SD. I can't imagine how fast it will run on RAM!
I tried Darkstones build and I really liked it, the only thing I missed from sense is the dialer.
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I dunno how good a Sense RAM build would be. Sense is huge and it will kinda fill HD2`s whole RAM memory. I need to have at least 150 MB free on my device for it to run smoothly, and somehow I think Sense would take more than that. Same goes for CM builds, way too loaded. The sport-car comparison previously mentioned is a good one, it`s like trying to add extra scrap parts to a car and expecting it to behave as smoothly as it used to before adding anything.
Besides, ADW Launcher has tons of skins (at least it has some interesting ones, worth checking out) and it`s wonderfully fast and stable.
Something which is completely off-topic but still bothers me: if they managed to run Android off the RAM memory, could they perhaps do the same with WP7? I`d really rofl to see the HD2 running WP7 smoother than the Mozart...
Super Ram Contacts...
Hi guys, ive been using Darkstones Super Ram, for a full two weeks now. Awesome!!! Question, with my gmail acount, i have all my contacts in groups. Why cant i see my contancts in groups? I need to message them for meetings and all that stuff, all in one shot. But i cant see this setting in my Phone. Can anyone help??
Thanks in advance.
a Quick Question,
how to get the Sense UI get to work on this Build? i been searching for ever, Everything else seems to be working So Far,
I have LaunchPro Plus Installed,
So if anyone can help me out, appreciated.
thanks
appan said:
a Quick Question,
how to get the Sense UI get to work on this Build? i been searching for ever, Everything else seems to be working So Far,
I have LaunchPro Plus Installed,
So if anyone can help me out, appreciated.
thanks
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Sense wasn't not included in the rom, it was based off of AdamG's Oxygen minimalistic rom. I don't think you would be able to put Sense over the SupperRAM.
I'm using LaunchPro Plus, and liking it, I miss the better sense widgets though...
Been using SupperRAM for only 2 days now, speed has been great.
I did notice some data drops more than usual. A reboot or toggling phone data on/off has helped this problem.
I'm extremly happy with this build have hardly experienced any data drops and it continues to whizz along at great speed, i actually don't miss sense that much to be honest, when a build is as fast as this for me personally that's the main thing, hoping to see other developers follow suit.
I tried the Super RAM build and I absolutely loved the speed. However, I would also like a Sense build with it (if possible) because then I would be able to sync my Outlook via HTC Sync. I need the sync with contacts and calendar between Outlook and HD2. While google has a program released to sync the calendar to gmail and from there to the phone, they are lacking in the contacts department...
anyone any ideas?
it's fast and has good battery life. those are the things I need the most from a build. i don't know why people torture themselves with the slowness of desire hd builds
duke911 said:
I really wish that some RAM version of CM builds could be made. They are very fast of regular SD. I can't imagine how fast it will run on RAM!
I tried Darkstones build and I really liked it, the only thing I missed from sense is the dialer.
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There is actually a ram version of CM build made. "HD2ONE v3.6 [CM6.1.1 Stable]" you will need to edit the startup.txt to get your RAM ver.
how's games performance on hd2 android as compared to desire? is it the same or more lag? just saw a vid of rafdroid hd 3 on hd2 and seems to have some lag while playing asphalt 5 hd
watched more vids here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68BYOr6dSAs
yup seems it's lagging... is it normal?? or it depends on the android rom u r using.. are there lags on sd android roms?
yeah there is more lag if ur running a sd android rom compared to a nand android rom
Dende2k2 said:
yeah there is more lag if ur running a sd android rom compared to a nand android rom
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I would say performance is the same with recent SD builds as with NAND builds. I've used both NAND and SD builds extensively... it depends a lot on the build. I guess it may depend on what SD card you're using too, but actually most high quality SD cards have faster read and write speeds than the NAND that the HD2 has... random access speed on good SD cards are as good as the HD2's NAND.
Desire HD builds may run a little better on NAND, but not by much if at all. AOSP and CM builds definitely run the same on both, though.
To the OP.... game performance will depend on what build you're using, but from my experience it seems to run games almost as good as a Desire. Desire may run a little better... depends on if it's running stock or if it's tweaked for performance. My friend has a desire that's tweaked and runs much better than any HD2 I've ever seen. But the HD2 can usually match a stock desire in performance.
zarathustrax said:
I would say performance is the same with recent SD builds as with NAND builds. I've used both NAND and SD builds extensively... it depends a lot on the build. I guess it may depend on what SD card you're using too, but actually most high quality SD cards have faster read and write speeds than the NAND that the HD2 has... random access speed on good SD cards are as good as the HD2's NAND.
Desire HD builds may run a little better on NAND, but not by much if at all. AOSP and CM builds definitely run the same on both, though.
To the OP.... game performance will depend on what build you're using, but from my experience it seems to run games almost as good as a Desire. Desire may run a little better... depends on if it's running stock or if it's tweaked for performance. My friend has a desire that's tweaked and runs much better than any HD2 I've ever seen. But the HD2 can usually match a stock desire in performance.
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thx for the replies. Are there overclocked roms on hd2 to boost performance?
There are overclocked roms that boost your cpu speed up to 1.5ghz. No need tho. I have mine running at 900mhz and save a little battery. All my games run smooth. I got a stock desire hd rom on nand. My co-worker has the normal desire and his phone lags and hangs constantly. His is 100% stock from o2 germany.
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Oh and if you want an easy way to keep an eye on your specs and how your phone is running, there's a free app called Elixir. It's simple monitoring software, but it shows you EVERYTHING.
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thx for ur replies.. lol it's becoming harder to decide between desire and hd2 lol
If you want to run android then skip the desire and get a desire hd. If you want to dual boot android and windows then go with the hd2. If you just want android without dual boot then it's better to buy a native android system.
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Not sure if this helps but I have just bought one of these microsd cards
http://www.allmemorycards.co.uk/acatalog/SDSDQY-8192-E11M.html
And I can confirm that both Windows Phone 7 and my SD Android ROM run flawlessly, before I was using a class 6 Samsung which I thought would be perfect for the job, but I was getting slow down and restarts in WP7 and the odd game skip in Android.
Now I Don't get a single skip whilst playing GT racing HD or PES2011 on Android and WP7 runs so smooth and fast, In my opinion there is no other choice on the market to be able to run Android and WP7 so well if at all...HD2 what else is there
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Not sure if this helps but I have just bought one of these microsd cards
http://www.allmemorycards.co.uk/acatalog/SDSDQY-8192-E11M.html
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i got that one, i payed 30€ for it . First i thought 8 GB is enough but my SD Card is almost full. I have a question, which builds are the best for gaming? What about the RAM Builds, are they better for gaming?
Is there a program or something that allows you to overclock the cpu or gpu on the phone?
why on earth would you like to OVERclock your cpu while running wp7 on hd2?
everything is fast and smooth, so whats the matter with it?
So please..tell me why you would need THAT.
by the way: there is no way to do that, whether on hd2 wp7 or on any other windows phone 7 device, because there is no function in the aplication programming interface that goes that deep.
Well mine can be laggy sometimes. What rom are you using and how often do you use wp7 on your phone
It´s not caused by your CPU, it is caused by you SD Card if it laggs.
Yea but its not installed onto a sd card. I dont even have a sd card in it
Dude, that isnt going to help!
Your phone doesnt have all that much space, let it breath and it shall shine
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Well mine can be laggy sometimes. What rom are you using and how often do you use wp7 on your phone
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tylerwolfekc said:
Yea but its not installed onto a sd card. I dont even have a sd card in it
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I'm using Xboxmod-Rom 1.03 but infact I never had any lags with it. The Roms are daily-use-roms (all that are released for now) and so I'm using it the whole day for everything. Phone, texting, surfing, facebook, games, camera. No Lags. Not at all.
It runs in RAID0-Mode. That means, some part of it is on the NAND (Flash-memory) and some is on the SD-Card. I dont know what happens if you dont use any sd-card, so I would recommend you to put in a 4gb+ card inside and flash wp7 again. I'm pretty sure the lags will be gone (except the sd-card isnt supported by wp7).
mideel said:
I'm using Xboxmod-Rom 1.03 but infact I never had any lags with it. The Roms are daily-use-roms (all that are released for now) and so I'm using it the whole day for everything. Phone, texting, surfing, facebook, games, camera. No Lags. Not at all.
It runs in RAID0-Mode. That means, some part of it is on the NAND (Flash-memory) and some is on the SD-Card. I dont know what happens if you dont use any sd-card, so I would recommend you to put in a 4gb+ card inside and flash wp7 again. I'm pretty sure the lags will be gone (except the sd-card isnt supported by wp7).
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+1 for this - and above statements about overclocking.
There are even videos in the web which prove that HD2 with WP7 is on par with HD7 - no lags at all, ever, in normal daily use. For me personally, now since one full month. I just changed to the moonlight ROM to get rid of re-locking (Chevron-related) issues, but not because of lack of speed.
Personally, I do believe that the most recent and growing number of cases of other users who bricked their phones could come from "overclocking" and such stuff under Android.
The HD2 hardware design is simply not made to play around. It is still one of the fastest devices on the market just as it is.