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[Q] [Question] Why is Galaxy S lagging?

Hi, I've seen a couple of lag fixes out there and they seem to be working well. But why is it lagging? Slow rom/internal memory card? Bad FAT32 filesystem as one of the fix developers said in a thread?
I am curious about this because if it's hardware problem then I might wait for a bit longer before upgrading my phone and Samsung may be already working on it, but if it's just software then I like to get a new phone now (from my good old E71)
thanks a lot!

qiu said:
Hi, I've seen a couple of lag fixes out there and they seem to be working well. But why is it lagging? Slow rom/internal memory card? Bad FAT32 filesystem as one of the fix developers said in a thread?
I am curious about this because if it's hardware problem then I might wait for a bit longer before upgrading my phone and Samsung may be already working on it, but if it's just software then I like to get a new phone now (from my good old E71)
thanks a lot!
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While the 16gb hardware is slower then the 1gb rom used it is not why it is lagging..what is causing the lag is Samsung decided to use their proprietary RFS file system which either does not work well with Android in general or has too big of a footprint aka inefficient thus causing a bottleneck of the I/O

cheers, then what about the leaked 2.2 ROM? Has Samsung done any improvement in the I/O performance at all?
I really like this phone but the laggy issue is annoying.

Well looks like not all galaxy s are lagging. You can find many people on forum without this problem. I'm one of them. 55 apps, adw, no task killers and no lags at all.
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K0v4L said:
Well looks like not all galaxy s are lagging. You can find many people on forum without this problem. I'm one of them. 55 apps, adw, no task killers and no lags at all.
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You can count me in on that one.
this is what i posted on another topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7834736&postcount=9
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i'll disagree with the lag
i'm still using the stock ROM on mine, and i don't experience the lags some people are having.
i can browse fast, switch apps fast, play audio/video fast, launch GPS app fast, and get a lock fast even when the car is moving on the road already
i do leave stuff like Fring running in the backgroup for my IM and video calls, meanwhile the music player plays via Bluetooth to the car Deck or BT headphones, and using GPS to check my route for speed, traffic jam, etc.
email is constantly syncing, set to auto sync every hour
if i want to check the weather it loads up instantly
using stock JH2 ROM
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thanks a lot, you guys. But which Galaxy s are you using? Maybe there is a superior version or....I am in the UK so probably the international version?

i have the uk version, bought2 weeks ago. I noticed little lag, nothing major at all.
I decided to do the lag fix and the phone is now realllllyyyy fast with no lag

UK version from o2
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qiu said:
thanks a lot, you guys. But which Galaxy s are you using? Maybe there is a superior version or....I am in the UK so probably the international version?
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yes UK unlocked version is the international version, the same one from HK, and Singapore and many other countries from the old continent.
Except Korea / Brazil / China / USA they have their own.

I'm finally getting 0 lag too now I flashed to JM6 (I got lag on every other firmware). My Compass works for the first time too. I haven't tried GPS testing yet but my hopes are up. You may want to give JM6 a try.

afaik recent firmwares (jh2 for ex) have a fixed RFS driver that doesnt lag up and fragments, whatever the real technical reason is why Rfs is slow on first generation firmwares, so the "not all get it" isn't really just "luck" stuff.
actually this regular "my phone dont do this ur just unlucky" is just some form of disinformation that is pretty much annoying.
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do

bilboa1 said:
afaik recent firmwares (jh2 for ex) have a fixed RFS driver that doesnt lag up and fragments, whatever the real technical reason is why Rfs is slow on first generation firmwares, so the "not all get it" isn't really just "luck" stuff.
actually this regular "my phone dont do this ur just unlucky" is just some form of disinformation that is pretty much annoying.
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
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The stock galaxy s only gets about 800 in quadrant, but that score is only bettered by the nexus running froyo. It scored better than nexus on 2.1, desire and a gamut of other phones. But I do not read about these phone owners gripping about lag or need to go above 1500 in quadrant. Why?
Frankly, I have done the lag fix and my quadrant score is now 2137. But I do not feel any significant difference than when it was only 800. In other words, I dun feel that the phone was slow before the fix.

thanks everyone, I've got to say this is the most helpful forum I've ever been to.
gonna call Three for a upgrade offer

bilboa1 said:
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
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Umm.. Don't take Quadrant for gospel. You could dump most of the OS on RAMdisk and you'll get awesome scores. We need a few test cases to ACCURATELY demonstrate the problem reliably, because quadrant only tests a few cases...

After installing the lag fix I noticed things were hanging more than normal. Un-installed it and things are fine again. Not sure if it was just something I had installed or what, but my phone still feels as 'fast' as after the fix.

yay!!!!!!!! i found my very first lag today
i had running media player over BT, GPS copilot, GPS mytracks, video Fring, and got the super mario running in the live wall paper
everything was able to funtion properly with some delay of course, with the exception of mytracks and media player
i'll try to reproduce the problem and see if i can pinpoint which of the 2 program is causing the lag (mytrack vs samsung media player)

Quadrant scores really have **** to do with everyday performance for the majority of people. You can post up 2300 in Quadrant and still experience lag during normal use. Think of it like 3DMark vs. Actual game performance on a PC.
Every phone is susceptible to the lag problem as every galaxy s uses Samsung's proprietary rfs format. Also, Crapwiz is part of the problem. The sooner Samsung and other manufacturers get their heads out of their asses and offer their products with stock android, the better. Give people the option of using Sense or Crapwiz but dont force it on them.
It speaks volumes to the quality of Samsung programmers when Launcher Pro is smoother while running on top of Crapwiz than Crapwiz by itself. The sooner the ASOP ROM is finished, the sooner the phone becomes more pleasant to use by those of us who dont need shiny things, facebook/twatter and iphone ui clones waved constantly in front of us.
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Personally, i noticed slight lag.. very very slight lag or hanging when opening some apps for the first time.
However after upgrading to JM1, i haven't noticed that at all. Not saying it is solved. This has just been my experience.

kgk888 said:
Quadrant scores really have **** to do with everyday performance for the majority of people. You can post up 2300 in Quadrant and still experience lag during normal use. Think of it like 3DMark vs. Actual game performance on a PC.
Every phone is susceptible to the lag problem as every galaxy s uses Samsung's proprietary rfs format. Also, Crapwiz is part of the problem. The sooner Samsung and other manufacturers get their heads out of their asses and offer their products with stock android, the better. Give people the option of using Sense or Crapwiz but dont force it on them.
It speaks volumes to the quality of Samsung programmers when Launcher Pro is smoother while running on top of Crapwiz than Crapwiz by itself. The sooner the ASOP ROM is finished, the sooner the phone becomes more pleasant to use by those of us who dont need shiny things, facebook/twatter and iphone ui clones waved constantly in front of us.
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We don't know thats the cause.. Someone said the reason RFS was slow is that "it doesn't buffer stuff" before.. But never seen confirmation. So anyone have actual proof its RFS?

I was on the stock firmware DJF4 and this has lots of lag. I have about 200+ apps installed and it usually takes a long time to boot up (esp Appdrawer). And after using awhile with it, even opening phone/messaging/contact lags 2-5 secs.
I upgraded to the official DJG4 yesterday and now the phone performs much better and battery life has improved (i.e. the standby time increased 30-50%) with the same apps/configuration of the old firmware.
After 36 hours with the new firmware, I daresay the lag issue is now gone. The DJG4 firmware also comes with handy task manager. Free RAM now seldom goes below 60MB. I tested by opening 20-30 apps over and over and there is still no lag. And I dont even have a auto-kill task manager running.

New to droid X and Wanna root....HELP!

I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)

system6 said:
I have had probably 8-12 Android handsets. I recently switched to an iPhone from my EVO and I hated my iPhone. I wanted to go with something pretty similar to my EVO so I checked out the screen, specs, user reviews, etc. The Droid X sounded great, but since having it, it locks up, freezes, and Lags like a G1. This NOTHING like my EVO and is disappointing to say the least.
I'm really hoping that a custom ROM can speed up the interface and possibly help with the battery life. Any recommendations? I don't want to theme, or skin...no interest in changing the bootlogo, etc... I just want a nice and FAST phone.
I use a lot of apps...I DON'T let any apps refresh automatically though. I also use Launcher Pro. Thanks in advance.
(Please don't tell me to read the sticky. I have. I need some real life experienced reviews....maybe people who have had an EVO or who understand what I want. Thanks)
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LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...

SysAdmin-X said:
LMFAO, i wrote the sticky, which has instructions on how to root and while I havent had the time to update everything I did cover some ROMs which include what you have asked for, so not quite sure what else you could be looking for.... But if you really want an explanation:
Root the phone using z4root and then try out a ROM like Rubix Focused 2.0.1. Drod2169 built the ROM and I am currently using it. The interface is very quick and responsive. He has added in multiple governor settings for overclock which include a conservative governor to allow for better battery life. You can use apps like Droid Overclock (jrummy16) and setCPU to change these governor settings as well. Rubix does very well when overclocked if that is something you are interested in.
If you are looking for a ROM that still has some Blur components in it, then try out Apex 1.4.1 or Rubix 2.0 Blurry. Both are very responsive and have some of the blur that certain people out there are looking for. Last but not least, it seems a great majority of people like Liberty 1.5. I used the ROM for quite some time, and it is very responsive, but a lot of people seem to have issues with lag or reboots. I never had this issue, so I can't quite speak to that issue...
ROM's are really more of a matter of personal choice. Try out a few and see what you like.
As far as a comparison to the EVO... my roommate has one, and 2 of my other best friends have one. I have done MULTIPLE benchmarking tools on their phones to compare against my X (on multiple ROMs). None of their tests have beat mine... In my opinion, the only differences between the EVO and the X is this:
1) Evo has unlocked Bootloader to allow custom kernels so you can run ROMS like CynanogenMod (but given time, CVPCS is compiling CM for the X)
2) Evo has front facing camera for those who can't wait to talk to people via a webcam.
3) Evo has a slightly quicker GPU (graphics processing unit) than the X, but winds up limited to 30FPS for the most part. Some of the benchmarks I have seen on the X jump it up to 62FPS on tests I have run.
4) Evo runs sense from HTC. If you want a "Sense" feel... some have made themes that look just like Sense....but you said you don't want a theme.
That's about it...
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The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!

system6 said:
The sticky is EPIC...honestly, it's just data and info. I guess I am looking more for opinions. Thank you for the insight.
I had an EVO and that thing had not once, ever, locked up or froze. 2nd day on my Droid X after a hard reset and it is SO laggy.
Unlock screen even lags to get to home. IDK.... I def don't want the "blurware", but the benchmarks on this phone are impressive. It's response and use have not been, in my opinion.
My wife has the Samsung Vibrant and the specs are amazing for that phone too, but NEVER have I seen a phone lock up and freeze so much. She gave her old G1 to my mom and it's like they run at about the same speed.
I'm real tech savy, a huge phone nerd, etc....I just really didn't like my iPhone. I use Apple products for everything else as I am an audio engineer by profession, but the iPhone was SO limited. I had to hack the crap out of it to get basic things that are available on freebie candybar phones.
One thing I have noticed is that it seems to build my photo cache REALLY slow. Now... I have 14 GBs of photo/video on their, but everytime I open a gallery it takes forever to load. It is getting better about this, slowly but surely....do you think my unit is defective, I am expecting too much, or the more I play with it and let it buld a good cache, etc, it will run better?
Thanks for responding, and THANK YOU for the sticky... If I decide to root that thing will be a lifesaver!
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I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.

SysAdmin-X said:
I think the type of sdcard you have also makes a difference. If you have a new class 6 card instead of what the phone comes with (I think it is like class 2 or 3) then the read/write speed should be a lot better. I have been using the latest Rubix ROM for about 2 weeks now, and I don't experience any lag or reboots/freezing. I really like this ROM, and actually talk to Drod2169 (the developer) a decent amount. I would take a look at Rubix or Fission 2.5.7 as these are both blur-free ROM's.
I am also a huge tech nerd/geek. I have tweaked the crap out of my X. I have probably tried every ROM/theme there is for this thing, and right now I'm sitting solid on Rubix. I also used Darkslide 4.2 Blurless for a while. It is a ROM built by BBCrackman and some others over at mydroidworld. I would suggest trying Darkslide out. It is pre-themed by the makers of the ROM but I think it has been the most reliable and snappy ROM I have used besides Rubix 2.0.
If you have questions, shoot them at me in here, or hit me up on gchat.
[email protected] More than happy to help out where I can.
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Thanks a million for the cool info and not just a "NOOB RTFM!" response!
I will check out both!

Gingerbread smoother than Honeycomb??

Is it just me or does Gingerbread on the phone seem faster and smoother than Honeycomb on tablet with exact same specs?? When my Atrix only had Froyo, I always noticed it performed the same as my Xoom and apps were either fast or slow the same exact way. However, now that I'v gotten Gingerbread on my Atrix, I've noticed apps are much, much smoother...iOS smooth (hate to use that as reference, but...). Take for example the Dish Network app, scrolling through the guide was (on Atrix-Froyo and Xoom ) horrible, but now with Gingerbread on the Atrix, the guide scrolls like butter.
Thoughts???

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Is it just me or does Gingerbread on the phone seem faster and smoother than Honeycomb on tablet with exact same specs?? When my Atrix only had Froyo, I always noticed it performed the same as my Xoom and apps were either fast or slow the same exact way. However, now that I'v gotten Gingerbread on my Atrix, I've noticed apps are much, much smoother...iOS smooth (hate to use that as reference, but...). Take for example the Dish Network app, scrolling through the guide was (on Atrix-Froyo and Xoom ) horrible, but now with Gingerbread on the Atrix, the guide scrolls like butter.
Thoughts???
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Hmm... well, the Atrix has very similar hardware to the Xoom.
Gingerbread is a phone OS. It is lighter weight than Honeycomb.
Xoom has a screen that has just short of double the number of pixels that the Atrix's has.
If you're upset with the Xoom's performance, download Tiamat Kernel with overclocked GPU and jump the processor up past 1.5 GHz. The thing screams.
EDIT) I'm from DC too.

Apps are mostly made for the phones.
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Hmm... well, the Atrix has very similar hardware to the Xoom.
Xoom has a screen that has just short of double the number of pixels that the Atrix's has.
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I was just about to point this out, although I honestly have no idea how much that affects the GPU/performance in terms of "2x laggier" or however you want to describe it, but actually be twice as laggy in numbers and not just "what it feels like."
I wish someone would find out how the Xoom would benchmark if it had lower resolution, just out of curiosity.

Mainly because Honeycomb is still a work in development, an ongoing project. The Android phone OS has had a few years now to get everything worked out, figured out, and made to run smoothly. The Honeycomb tablet OS on the other hand has had only a few months now of ongoing development. It's progressing and in due time will turn out how the Android phone OS did, amazingly solid! Do you think that when they released Android for the very first time a few years ago that it was perfect with no lag issues? No. Same goes with Honeycomb as it is their first major release for the Android tablet world.
Our next major release will be Ice Cream Sandwich, which should be a game changer for everything we know about the Android OS. So expect performance boosts with the next big release along with a whole slew of new goodies.
I expect ICS to be like when you are coming from 2.0 Eclair then updating to the latest 2.3 Gingerbread in terms of speed, stability, and features. That's a major jump in the update department! That's how I feel ICS will be when it launches. I feel that any lag issues experienced by the users will be worked out by then, giving us a super silky smooth OS that runs on both phone and tablet alike! That's what we wanted all along, right?

well I don't know how many people here have tried it but ADW Launcher makes the Xoom fly...until the lagginess goes away I'm sticking with that launcher...try it!!

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well I don't know how many people here have tried it but ADW Launcher makes the Xoom fly...until the lagginess goes away I'm sticking with that launcher...try it!!
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Agreed! Been using Adw Launcher EX myself since day one on my Xoom. It hasn't had anymore Honeycomb specific updates in months, but it's still a rock solid launcher to use as a replacement to the stock one. I choose Adw over the Honeycomb launcher any day.

Main difference will be screen res, Atrix is pushing 384000 pixels while the xoom pushes 926720 pixels (rough amount) so its like having 2.5 atrix screens put together, for me that explains all
I work with 3ds Max and 2 monitors, when I had only one screen 3ds max moved smooth as butter, but since I dropped a second screen 3ds max is not the same and I bet it crashes more often. I think there is a similar situation on these devices. Someone needs to port gingerbread to the xoom and see how it performs against the atrix.

TouchWiz updates stopped by Samsung?

From what I read recently, I'm glad I use a vanilla 3.1 ROM. Apparently Samsung stopped the CrapWiz (pardon, I meant TouchWiz) updates on tablets since AUgust 15th. Anyone knows the real reason? The official Samsung response is "we are taking the time to assess progress and ensure it is a positive experience for users", but many tech sites think is pure bull****. In fact, this might be the cause. Read more on this, from Electronista.

They restarted the update, they only put it on hold for a few days while they integrated KME into the update.
You should give it a shot, since vanilla 3.1 is a hot mess anyway. There's some significant performance upgrades, and all it costs you is non-gay(pardon, I meant non-tacky, er, pardon non-Tron looking) menus and fonts, and a couple extra icons on the menu bar.

Someone want to tell a new owner how to get touchwiz update on their tab? I want to do it for the performance increase cause right now I ran every benchmark test known to man 3 times each for the Galaxy tab 10.1 I got, a brand new Xoom (I have to decide between the two) and the Xoom is literally taking a hammer and murdering my tab. Quadrant on Xoom was 1920 average out of the 3, while the Gtab is 1560. Linpack average is 59 or so on the Xoom, about 54 on the Gtab. Antutu is 4700 for the Xoom, 4600 for the Gtab. SD read is 17 MBs/s and SD write is 17.3 MBs/s for the Xoom, while my Gtab is getting 16.5 MB/s SD read, and SD write only 9.8 MBs/s.
Home screen scrolling, browser and youtube, typing lag, etc. are all much more pronounced on my new Galaxy tab than the Xoom. I'm wondering if the performance upgrade of TouchWiz will balance things out. After all, they are running same hardware.
Also, how hard is it to get rid of Touchwiz and just go back to COMPLETELY stock factory default settings in case I decide to sell it?

Ya, I initially did the TW upgrade... what turned me really off is that they mutilated the beautiful Android theme, not to mention the HUGE bloatware added. I really like how Android had the dark themed settings and Samsung decided to make it white like a wannabe iPad, beside the fact that the text was not as readable as it was on Android theme.
I also noticed that the battery consumption increased drastically, I would say easy 40-50%.. the Android keyboard vibration did not worked anymore and Gmail/Calendar was different compared to Android version. Still the most negative factor for me was the "new" look and the extra bloatware eating my 32GB.
PhantomHacker is about to release a 3.2 vanilla ROM soon, can't wait.

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Someone want to tell a new owner how to get touchwiz update on their tab?
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Install either Starburst or Task650 ROM.
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Also, how hard is it to get rid of Touchwiz and just go back to COMPLETELY stock factory default settings in case I decide to sell it?
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Croak said:
They restarted the update, they only put it on hold for a few days while they integrated KME into the update.
You should give it a shot, since vanilla 3.1 is a hot mess anyway. There's some significant performance upgrades, and all it costs you is non-gay(pardon, I meant non-tacky, er, pardon non-Tron looking) menus and fonts, and a couple extra icons on the menu bar.
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Just want to point something out. I haven't seen a vanilla HC on GT10.1. Yes, the initial version didn't have Touchwiz but it surely was modified by Samsung. The real vanilla Android 3.1 on Xoom (updates come from Google servers) worked much better then the Android 3.1 that GT10.1 shipped with.
With the Touchwiz update they seem to have fixed the issues that their original 3.1 had. They also seem to have included some Android 3.2 fixes or at least it seems so to me, as the Android 3.1 Touchwiz is almost as smooth and fast as vanilla 3.2 on Xoom.

Thanks for the info, poisike. I'm pretty sure also vanilla 3.2 will be much better that 3.1 TouchWiz. We will see in few days. I'm going to stick with vanilla anyways. As a side note, not sure if you can call the UEKG4 a vanilla ROM, but it sure does not have anything Samsung on it (Apps, Hub, etc.) beside the System Updates.

As a former Xoom owner, one of the things I really hated (besides the fact that it was a brick) was the goofy "retro-tech" look of the UI, the colours, the fonts, the whole nine yards. It was gag-worthy. I was tickled pink to see much of that go away, and ADW EX quashed the remnants that were attached to Launcher.
Can't speak for the keyboard, since I use Thumb KB, which vibrates just fine.
I was also happy to see the noticeable performance boost, especially the elimination of the browser typing lag.
As for "bloatware", you got a few megabytes, not gigs, all of it easy enough to remove or disable, and some of it useful (sans all the Hub crap).
Finally, I'm still getting great battery life out of the Tab, pretty sure I (and others) would have noticed battery life dropping by half.

Thanks for sharing your experience and honestly, I'm glad that you like TouchWiz.
I wish I could say the same, but I cannot stand it.
Listening to what you say about battery, I had the tablet discharged in less than 6 hours on regular usage with TouchWiz. Once I got back to vanilla I can top easy 10hrs with the same usage. I doubt we are talking few megs only... PhantomHacker removed over 40mb or bloatware in his TW Starburst ROM, while still keeping most of the apps... The way I see is: if the update was 100mb in a tarball format, the contents expanded were easily 200mb (of useless software for me).

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How would you describe the Atrix performance?

I have 3 different Android devices: a Nook Tablet, a Samsung Galaxy SII and the Atrix.
The Atrix is the only device I have OC'd and added a custom ROM. The other two are rooted, but stock.
Even though in most benchmarks my rooted Atrix, with a custom 1.45 GHz Kernel and optimized ROM (The Darkside) is almost equal or a bit superior to my SII, it feels slooow when I use them side by side. The Atrix takes some time loading the app screen, the touchscreen lags, and 3D games are definitely slower, no matter what benchmarks say.
Here's the strange thing. My bone-stock Nook, at 1 GHz, scores exactly the same in the Nenamarks 2 benchmark (24.8 fps). Both machines run games at pretty much the same speeds, even though the Nook has to move quite a bit more pixels, and that the Atrix is running 45% faster. Considering the Nook is a bare-bones tablet, one of the cheapest out there, it's a surprise that it can run as fast as an OC'd Atrix.
Does this mean our once powerful device is now almost obsolete?

My opinion my not count for much, since I haven't used any other devices, but my Atrix meets and exceeds my expectations for a phone.
I generally don't play 3D games, simply because I despise touchscreen controls. On the rare occasion that I do, they run fine, though once again, I can't compare to any other devices.
The app drawer loads quickly (I keep it pretty organized with folders, which might help), and I don't have issues with the touchscreen lagging. That's all staying on stock speed too. I have an OC kernel, just in case, but I don't use it much anymore.

I have friends with the new nexus and the galaxy s2 and my ATRIX is considerably faster then theirs even when I was running stock rom now that I'm running new ics with a 1.3 OC it spanks their cells
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fjhuerta said:
I have 3 different Android devices: a Nook Tablet, a Samsung Galaxy SII and the Atrix.
The Atrix is the only device I have OC'd and added a custom ROM. The other two are rooted, but stock.
Even though in most benchmarks my rooted Atrix, with a custom 1.45 GHz Kernel and optimized ROM (The Darkside) is almost equal or a bit superior to my SII, it feels slooow when I use them side by side. The Atrix takes some time loading the app screen, the touchscreen lags, and 3D games are definitely slower, no matter what benchmarks say.
Here's the strange thing. My bone-stock Nook, at 1 GHz, scores exactly the same in the Nenamarks 2 benchmark (24.8 fps). Both machines run games at pretty much the same speeds, even though the Nook has to move quite a bit more pixels, and that the Atrix is running 45% faster. Considering the Nook is a bare-bones tablet, one of the cheapest out there, it's a surprise that it can run as fast as an OC'd Atrix.
Does this mean our once powerful device is now almost obsolete?
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Try CM7 and then come here again.

QFT///////

Try out Joker's or Turl's CM9 builds. They are considerably faster in terms of touch responsiveness and opening apps / app drawer. From my experience, blur is just plain slow.

TravisAntonio said:
Try CM7 and then come here again.
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I won't since I need the webtop.
Still - and I can say it without hesitation - the Galaxy SII flies next to the Atrix. It's my wife's phone and it used to be mine .- so I know what I'm talking about

Neroga said:
Try out Joker's or Turl's CM9 builds. They are considerably faster in terms of touch responsiveness and opening apps / app drawer. From my experience, blur is just plain slow.
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I'll do just to see if Blur is really that bad... but I use the Webtop everyday at the office

I can confirm that with cm7, and especially with cm9 kang builds, the Atrix absolutely flies. It really is clearly better once you get rid of Blur. Fortunately for you, there are plenty of ways to get a deblurred ROM and add Webtop to it. There are also customization options that improve Webtop performance.

I've never had a speed issue quite the opposite. I pretty much hacked it instantly but I've always enjoyed great performance. Some custom roms are better then other and the stuff without blur definitely show speed gains. I did find wet dream faster then darkside and in the end moved to CM roms instead. Neutino was insanely fast I was outdoing my buddy's SII on benchmarks. Something you might want to consider is dropping your OC kernel down a bit. My atrix doesn't do the 1.5 kernels and the closer my overclock gets to it the slower and more unstable I get.

Neutrino rom is the fastest and it is very stable if you flash it then flash the latest fruit cake (webtop only) you will have an incredibly fast ATRIX with your webtop it is all fast and easy to install I personally had a aututu benchmark of 9000+ every time and a high of 9267 and I was using the v6 script and elite 1.6OC
Hit thanks if you found this useful
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fjhuerta said:
I'll do just to see if Blur is really that bad... but I use the Webtop everyday at the office
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The problem is the lack of the I/O performance caused by the MotoBlur bloat.
I use CM9 and VNC to boot ubuntu when want to used webtop, and man, honestly, its beautiful.
You should definitly give it a shot! No, you have to, and see with your eyes, how much good the atrix can be.
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I do notice the difference a lot. I was using cm7 weeklies and the device was super responsive,benchmarks were high but honestly its all pointless it really comes down to how fast it handles real usage not numbers a benchmark gives you.
On blur roms the phone is always laggy but since I need webtop as well I gotta use it this way.
I also own a droid i credible with a snapdragon processor O.C to a little over 1Ghz and its single core and on cm7.1.0 and its almost as fast as my atrix.......kinda makes me mad but the atrix wins as far as ram,memory,and handling games....

Now imagine Atrix 3
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dotvezz said:
I can confirm that with cm7, and especially with cm9 kang builds, the Atrix absolutely flies. It really is clearly better once you get rid of Blur. Fortunately for you, there are plenty of ways to get a deblurred ROM and add Webtop to it. There are also customization options that improve Webtop performance.
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I would like to know how sir.
Its possible to have Webtop on CM7/9?

i don't understand the point of benchmarks, other than bragging rights.
now, I've used them because I guess that warm feeling of some kind of metric saying the phone is "faster" is nice. Still, usability should be the most important thing.
for me, on a daily basis, my atrix performs how I want it to. It's not overclocked, but it is running the latest alpha of cm9, and on the newer version of quadrant it's scoring around 3400. But really what does that score really mean? Not much if you ask me.
i don't see anything on the market right now that makes me want to extend my contract term. phone does what I need it to, and well.

djluis48 said:
I would like to know how sir.
Its possible to have Webtop on CM7/9?
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1 month later but, yes.

fjhuerta said:
I'll do just to see if Blur is really that bad... but I use the Webtop everyday at the office
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if you want good performance and webtop: Nottachtrix ... Rom very good!

I completely agree if you compare the stock Atrix to most other stock Android phones of comparable stats the Atrix is slower. But with custom Roms (I can only really speak to CM7 and Joker's CM9) I actually find that my Atrix performs better than other phones with custom Roms. It seems Blur/Motorola stock is just programmed poorly but the hardware is solid. I am not overclocked and I use Joker's CM9 as my daily driver it is so smooth it hurts my brain!

Also, it seems like the Tegra 2 chipset is slower comparing to the newer dual core chipsets (like the TI OMAP 4430 on the Atrix 2).
A stock Atrix 2 with motoblur is noticeably faster than Atrix 1 with CM7, sorry. I have both phones right now and can compare them side by side.
I still think that Atrix 1 is the best Motorola phone currently, mainly because of the unlocked bootloader and great custome ROM support (Nottachtrix, CM7, MIUI, Neutrino, 4 ICS roms ).
I will be keeping my Atrix 4g for a while, until Razr drops in price and (if) it gets good developer support.