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Everyone is impatiently looking forward to Froyo coming to our beloved phones, BUT I have to say that while it would be nice, I am most looking forward to gingerbread.
Rumors are the vanilla gingerbread will be released in the next 2 months-ish, well, according to this link.
Just wondering everyone elses thoughts on gingerbread and what it could possibly mean to our phones. Is Froyo even worth getting worked up over when it is already going to be outdated in the next few months?
It would be nice if they did just skip froyo and went straight to gingerbread, but I'm pretty sure that won't be the case. More likely that they will release froyo in a month or so (or by tomorrow like everyone said), and a gingerbread update will take another 6 months.
I think everybody's just a bit angry that Froyo isn't on the Galaxy S line when it's on every other new phone that's out or about to come out now which is making it seem like we're all super excited for it when we're really just super anxious to have phones that can do what all the other phones can do right now. Hell even my G1 has Froyo (via CM6).
I am indeed super excited to Gingerbread. I can't wait to see what it can do so I can flaunt it in the face of iSlaves.
I can see that, and it is true. The way I see it though is that once GingerBread is out, it's going to be so much easier for all manufacturers to update their phones. Mostly due to the fact that each UI (Sense/Touchwiz/Xperia) will simply be an over lay on the phone, keeping the back end of things intact.
Galaxy S will not see an update pass 2.2. Samsung don't like producing updates because that means financial allocation spent on already sold equipment. They're going to have a new Galaxy phone, and that phone will have Android 2.+ or 3.0.
Samsung even had a survey about whether customers expect updates, even if that meant they had to PAY EXTRA for them. I took the survey, and got my $20 mailed to me within 2wks. I found it nuts that in the survey, they asked "how long from purchase would you expect updates to you phone?" The first choice was 2 months, the last choice was 2 years. To me that survey exposed their thinking about upgrades.
I am going to agree. I don't think that Samsung will update past 2.2
Look how long Froyo is taking. HTC and Motorola have already put Froyo on most of their Android phones while Samsung can't do it for their one device.
I bought my Vibrant 3rd party, off-contract because I expect to purchase a 3.x Android device in 2011, and I don't want to be tied to a 2-yr agreement with a phone that gets shoddy support.
I will probably aim for an HTC device
Well I never wanted froyo anyway. I always wanted to get gingerbread cause froyo its just a minor release anyway compared to gingerbread.
i have to agree with that last post. my vibrant works great as is and the way i see it, the big signifigant changes will come with 3.0.
and to comment on nexgins post, i believe that we will have 3.0, while it may not be official i'm sure some it will be ported over somehow.
AndroidSpin and BGR are reporting that a reliable T-Mobile Source told them that there is a fully functioning 2.2 OTA for the T-Mobile Vibrant, but that Samsung is holding the OTA back. The report then says that Samsung fears that if the OTA is released then this would devalue the upcoming T-Mobile Vibrant 4G. (I would post a link, but I do not have 8 post. If someone could for me that would be great.) Now, I know that the hardware is different, but does anyone think that Samsung may be doing the same thing to us fascinate users considering that a new Samsung LTE phone is coming out soon? This would make sense condersidering the Telus fascinate got 2.2 before we did. Now again I know the hardware is different, but it doesn't make sense they would get it before us considering the fascinate has been out longer for us and that they are more of us. It would also explain the DL09 release. Samsung may just be trying to hold us over until they decide to release 2.2 once the LTE phone sales are up. This is just something to think about. I personally am just going to flash Kaos's 2.2 once the data works
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http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/breaking-t-mobile-internals-confirm-samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
Is there a new Vibrant-style Sammy coming to Verizon that might put us in the same boat as our T-Mobular comrads?
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We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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T-Mobile has had their "4G" out for some time now. Not quite as long as Sprint, but it's been around for a few months at least.
Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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My sentiments exactly. The question is, will this rumor affect their timetables? This whole thing is so political...
I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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Its a bullet point. Since Samsung did not opt to be part of the droid line on verizon, any additional bullet points adds to the selling factor of the phone. Sales people will use this to push people to the newer phones, saying things like "Its got the latest Android 2.2" or "It has the version of Android that supports flash". Its just in poor taste for Samsung to do this, and to me, its the same with Apple releasing the same iPhone for verizon that's been on at&t for 7 months or so now. I wouldn't get an iphone until after there announcement later this year, because since 2008, they have released a new iphone every year. Ok, sorry, I got off topic, but as you can see other companies do similar things just to sell more phones. Looking at all the companies with android smartphones, HTC and MOTO have done good jobs keep their android phones up to date. Samsung needs to step it up.
If said source is referring to JL5, there is a reason they are holding it back...its a piece of garbage.
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Count me as skeptical, the source seems contradicts himself, unless I'm misreading:
…Being that, Vibrant 4G and Vibrant have exactly same stats, added FFC and a new movie and the 4G. But i will tell you this, the original vibrant CAN utilize 4G FULLY. Yes FULLY. not what they are telling you.
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In a subsequent correspondence:
We have already put it out there that most of out devices would see a speed boost with the new network. Just the Vibrant will see a bit more. So I dont see why that is such a huge surprise to your readers. But not full 4G.
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Still, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me if they scheduled the update to be closer to the release date (VZW released 5.0 for the Storm 1 a day or two before the Storm 2 went on sale). If it does exist, and isn't a POS, it will probably get leaked.
I can see this, but it is stupid as the LTE feature alone should be enough to push people to upgrade. Additionally, those with Galaxy S phones have all had them for less than two years (typical upgrade timeframe). So how many people do they really think they can pursued to switch? Seems far more harmful to continue to piss off your existing user base who might consider later LTE phones at end of year or next when upgrade option is available.
I don't think they want to try and get people to switch. Its more for new sales. If the vibrant is sitting there for half the price (galaxy S phones are reaching the discounted portion of their lifespan) running nearly the same specs, minus the 4G, it will look pretty attractive to a decent chunck of consumers. If salesmen can say "this new one is faster and has a newer operating system" most people will think "new MUST be better" and blindly go for that.
Like someone else already said, it would just be a bullet point for salesmen.
from a business point of view, samsung did the right thing. Why fix what isn't broke, while making something in the future look much more desirable. They will make most of their money this way.
Honestly, the dev community is a very very VERY small portion of their clients. A couple thousand out of however many million phones they've sold... Most people are perfectly happy living in ignorance about all these damn desert names. ESPECIALLY now that they have a working GPS on the phone.
So why please a couple thousand, when they could be making millions on future phones?
Unfortunately for us, this blows! But they are a business. Businesses lie. ultimate goal is to make the dough...
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Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
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I wouldn't count on a Feb release....
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So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
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The ONLY LTE phone that would be able to meet a Feb 10th deadline would be the HTC Thunderbolt. And thats not even a for sure, BUT, its the only shot, if any.
I guarantee it will be out by Valentine's Day, not that anyone cares, except for me. But you have my word, nonetheless.
Two words:
Screw Samsung.
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Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
s44 said:
Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
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It has a lot to do with us. If they have froyo held back, we have froyo held back.
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I'm going to be changing providers soon to Sprint. I've been on T-Mobile for the longest time. Had a Nexus One but sold it due to financial woes.
Anyhoo... I'm looking at the Samsung Epic 4G and it seems to be the nicest phone I've seen yet on Sprint. I don't like the EVO, at all, and the EVO with a keyboard is too small for me.
Thoughts on Samsung? Thoughts on this phone overall? I have played with them a bit (a couple of co-workers have them) and, though I'm disappointed that they don't have the 2.2 Update yet... I'll live. I haven't had a smart phone at all for several months now.
I'll be getting it at the end of next week, if the Epic is what I decide on.
If you want a high end one, and you don't want the evo, get the epic. Otherwise, for sprint ID android, get the Optimus S.
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Well, I have both the Evo and Epic, but I would sell my Evo before I sold my Epic. Just because when the source code drops for the Epic, CM6 +CM7 + overclocked- undervolted kernels etc... will make this phone shine like it should have been 5 months ago.
epic or evo
Id wait as long as possible because sprint will be dropping some new phones somtime this quarter. I know one of them being windows phone7. The Evo is outdated to me, the epic isn't well supported but still the best phone imo. Evo shift close 2nd.
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Id wait as long as possible because sprint will be dropping some new phones somtime this quarter. I know one of them being windows phone7. The Evo is outdated to me, the epic isn't well supported but still the best phone imo. Evo shift close 2nd.
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I think the Galaxy S2 line of phones will be announced in a few weeks.
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Id wait as long as possible because sprint will be dropping some new phones somtime this quarter. I know one of them being windows phone7. The Evo is outdated to me, the epic isn't well supported but still the best phone imo. Evo shift close 2nd.
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Agreed. Dual core phones are just around the corner and Nvidia is releasing its Tegra 3 Quad core chip this fall. Buying a single core phone right now is not in your best interest.
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I think the Galaxy S2 line of phones will be announced in a few weeks.
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They better not. Samsung has like 40 Galaxy S phones as it is. If they go and announce new phones without updating us to at least Froyo I am going to be pissed.
muyoso said:
They better not. Samsung has like 40 Galaxy S phones as it is. If they go and announce new phones without updating us to at least Froyo I am going to be pissed.
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The device, dubbed the Samsung Galaxy S2 and internally codenamed "Seine," is said to have a 1GHz dual core processor, a 4.3 or 4.5-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen, an 8 MP camera, NFC chip, and will run on Android 2.3 Gingerbread.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/samsung-galaxy-s2-seine-specifications-lea/
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The device, dubbed the Samsung Galaxy S2 and internally codenamed "Seine," is said to have a 1GHz dual core processor, a 4.3 or 4.5-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen, an 8 MP camera, NFC chip, and will run on Android 2.3 Gingerbread.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/01/samsung-galaxy-s2-seine-specifications-lea/
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Damn it has gingerbread and we do.t even have official froyo. Oh yeah I would wait as well man. There are some better phones coming soon. I'm still drooling over the atrix. I think that will be the best phone this year unless the tegra3's come out.
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They better not. Samsung has like 40 Galaxy S phones as it is. If they go and announce new phones without updating us to at least Froyo I am going to be pissed.
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I see no difference. All manufacturers do it. Sounds like a double standard. No device has 2.3. I can name a few devices that have 2.1 or lower with a promise to update, and they all are coming out with newer devices.
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I see no difference. All manufacturers do it. Sounds like a double standard. No device has 2.3. I can name a few devices that have 2.1 or lower with a promise to update, and they all are coming out with newer devices.
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The difference is that when this phone launched it was launched under the guise that it would receive Froyo in a timely manner. Now 5 months later they haven't updated it yet. The more phones they release, the less incentive they have to update older devices. They gain nothing financially from updating devices to newer versions of Android. A small percentage of people, at most in the high single digits, actually care/know what version of Android the phone is running. Even if they wrote off this group of people and these people never bought Samsung again, they gain business by constantly introducing new shiny phones for the remaining 90+% to buy.
That is why I am concerned with them releasing new awesome phones while ours remain on Android 2.1.
Regardless how long they took they still kept their end of the bargain. Look st the mytouch slide. They are speculating someone after march for their 2.2 upgrade. So HTC should get the same flack. Yet I don't see it. Motorola did the same thing with the droid X. they brought out 2 devices with 2.2 while droid X users waited. See what I am talking about? People tend to promote another manufacturer without actually looking at times. They all do the same thing and sometimes it falls under the radar.
The best android phone for sprint is not the one I have (epic), but the one that has the best specs today. Don't believe anything sprint says about future software updates unless they put in writing with a specific release date. Sprint are the biggest gd liars when it comes to selling phones.
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Samsung epic is the best phone hands down!
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The epic is a much better phone but as you can tell with all the froyo post samsung and sprint cant seem to provide us with an actual update. That had never been a problem with any htc I have ever owned.
that's the only reason I say evo.
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If you can live without an official Froyo for an indeterminate period of time, or are willing to try custom ROMs, then go for it. The Epic is a great piece of hardware, I really like mine. Then again, there'll be some new hardware coming to Sprint in the near future I'm sure.. might be better to wait another month or two if you can stand it.
updates are nice...but if Google is really trying to push this gaming stuff, then thats when the Evo gets killed. They added a lot of things in Gingerbread for gaming but none of that is going to help the Evo out. The Evo with Gingerbread still can't play Dungeon Defenders while the Epic on 2.1 can...so really, Gingerbread is just an update that gives the Evo the Epic experience (because Gingerbread really does feel like 2.2.1 on the Epic).
And there are so many other things wrong with the Evo as well....main thing is 4G and battery life. The Evo doesnt even report the right battery percentages. You can be on 100% then go into recovery, come out of recovery and be at 96%...go back into recovery and come out of it and be at 98% -.-. The battery is also a slippery slope. Once the phone heats up, there's absolutely no way of cooling it down unless you stop EVERYTHING you're doing. And everything heats it up, and it only takes 20 mins of usage to go from 80 to +95 degrees. They do have the dev community and kernels, but the kernels only help with the sleeping (barely). They dont really help with actual usage because of the slippery slope.
Also the Epic is a true 4G phone. It treats 4G more like 3G than WiFi. With the Evo, once you connect to 4G, it runs nonstop, which is why people thought 4G was a guzzler and thats why I was afraid to use it on my Epic. but the Epic actually times it out when not in use and starts it back up once in use, saves a ton of battery.
So Hardware: Epic wins
Software: Evo wins
Overall: Epic
Now the Evo wins software because of the updates and dev community, but let me put it like this....I had the Evo since August and since August Ive tried literally all roms and kernels...damn near every different combination...I followed every tip provided that promised better performance and battery life...and at the end of the day my phone was basically the same as it was out of the box. I was happy because I've never seen any better and thought that the Evo was the best out there. After one day of using the Epic, I can't go back. I just flashed DK28 and that experience alone is way better than anything the Evo has had to offer. Performance = top notch. Battery life = top notch. Its just perfect. This phone is simply perfect and I honestly don't think that HTC should be allowed to make anymore Android phones.
OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
DroidApprentice said:
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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bentiger said:
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...
Just thought I would pass this along. So, does this mean the Epic will see it 3 months later like Froyo?
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186
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Looks like it's for real. It just leaked out for the SGS i9000 a couple of days ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/28/android-2-3-2-gingerbread-leaks-for-samsung-galaxy-s
As I've said in previous threads, if Gingerbread actually comes out for the Epic officially, I'll be completely satisfied and beyond happy with Samsung (I actually like TouchWiz, and would really like some of the performance enhancements Gingerbread brings). I'll even start recommending their phones again and forgive the whole Froyo debacle. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
PS: They didn't list a source, where and when did Samsung officially say this?
Edit: Silly me, I'm on my phone so I only saw the mobile page which doesn't link the source, looks like it was Samsung Germany - so I guess we'll see!
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186/
If thats true..... then we should actually have a working version by... oh I don't know.. the end of summer
Based strictly on track record!
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Thread should be closed now as no one else can put it better than this. ;-)
March for Germany means maybe by December for the good ol USA market. They keep trying to get all the bugs out before they hit their biggest market. Well at least that's what they say, but I think they always manage to screw it up with all the time they got...something about idle hands?
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daddymikey1975 said:
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Mines is working great. Much more stable and faster than d18 and ak28(?). Sorry I already forgot the build of the recent rom.
We will not see 2.3 for the epic. There I said it. There is no point in even keeping your hopes up, its clear samsung does not care about doing updates but only selling units. Nor do they have developers that can even code a update without being pulled days after release.
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Samsung UK did promise Froyo to SGS by end of 2010 and kept their promise...to the UK subscribers. Unfortunately the USA is a separate issue all together as we have the largest base of subscribers and afaik 5 different versions (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and US Cellular). I would suspect maybe summertime by the time we get it, just in time when the new phones come out anyways.
The original galaxy s had hdmi out as well...sprint gimped the epic.
It was supposed to originally have 16gb ROM, 1gb RAM, sd card(I don't think the original galaxy s had an sd slot ..) fm radio, hdmi out, blah blah blah
This phone waslaunching too close to the evo which sprin spent a lot of money advertising, so they had to gimp the epic so that everyone still thinks the evo is better hardware wise.
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Yes, I know the hardware is there... or looks to be (epic), but HDMI, TV-Out, and a few other things (docks) were supposedly part of updates that would be with Froyo... or so says the sprint rep... obviously the docks were committed to, but not the others, and I doubt they will officially implement the HDMI at least, as they are putting in a new HDMI control standard on the SGS2, so if you have a compatible TV your phone can operate some functions of it (volume, power, etc)... so I doubt they will bother with it. Hopefully our geniuses here can pick up where they left off. I agree totally that the EVO was the problem, I dont know about the advertising dollars drying up, that seems to be a thing with Sprint, but I honestly think it was gimped to make the EVO have any leg to stand on, other than for those who dont like hardware keyboards. They could have just put it out properly, and ignored advertising it as they did, and it wouldnt affect the EVO anyways. Especially with the EVOs supposed short supply... really??? how long has it been out, and they cant keep sprint corp stores stocked?? Sounds like artificially inflated demand to me. Is there a shortage of other HTC phones??? Are the execs pocketing too much and not investing??? I call BS, I think Sprint is in bed with HTC... I wonder if the EVO is so cost ineffective, that they are really all preorders in a sense, dont build em till theyre already sold...
I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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Gingerbread brought a lot of other things that you didn't see (like how most of 2.2s advances weren't visible) including an improved jit compiler, copy paste in the gmail app and others I cannot think of at the moment.
Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Started fresh (removed everything from my flash card) with odin to dk18 then, then odin eb13, flashed midnight rom 4.0 and then flashed 4.1. Flashed emotionless beast theme and this phone is stable fast and non replacable
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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I disagree completely. The entire SoC that Samsung uses is FAR superior to the Snapdragon nonsense. The fact that our phones can play high profile h.264 natively without hiccuping at all is amazing. Even the Xoom with its new Tegra 2 Soc, which has a dual core processor and EIGHT core GPU mind you, stutters like a fool trying to do what our phone does. Its embarrassing. If we ever get this software crap straightened out, our phone will easily be competitive for another year until the quad cores start rolling out. The only way I would switch phones is if Sprint got something like the Optimus 3d which uses the new OMAP4430 with the same Powervr sgx540 that our phone has, except clocked 50% faster.
tl;dr - The hardware in our phone is amazing and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now. Also, the screen is not the Epic4g's only differentiator.
March of what year?
Enough said
Dameon87 said:
Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Sent from my Evo Killer!!!