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Is that even possible?
Hummingbird Chipset
My guess would be that the Samsung Hummingbird chipset only supports 7.2 Mbps. Same as with the GSM Galaxy S series handsets.
many reasons why it may not be there. but you still get up to 7.2Mbps down which is very good.
Whoa your totally the 1st person to notice this and post about it......
To me, it doesn't matter. I live in a HSPA+ area and have never even come close to getting 7.2Mbps on a G2. Let alone HSPA+ speeds.
How many networks actually support those speeds anyways ?? I mean in reality not on paper. Besides, 7Mbps is enough for all mobile needs, a youtube 720p HD video averages around 2Mbps which is the highest bandwidth consuming task I can think of. Unless you are planning to tether it to a laptop and download huge files, which IMO is not a requirement for many users, since mobile data is pretty expensive.
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Whoa your totally the 1st person to notice this and post about it......
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lol Anyways whats the big deal. 99% person of the world is not on 4G yet
I know we wanted everything from this phone but its not to be
I don't care since in my country we don't even have 4G so that would be completely useless.
But I understand entirely you're complaining about it, they're expected to make progress not regression(but that's technology, constructers choose what we will get...).
It's true "4G" isn't prominent right now. I'm guessing the disappointment comes when you try to see Nexus S as a phone into 2011, and beyond. Dropping $529 dollars for a phone that won't be taking advantage of "4G" speeds which all carriers are moving toward and pushing for, and which handsets are already featuring, doesn't seem future-proof, and maybe even a step back. It doesn't live up to the Nexus branding.
Agreed. I've decided to stay with my Samsung Epic (which has a bad ESN that I bought for $300 and I am using as an Android touch), and wait it out. When phones that come out that are compare to the Galaxy S as how the Nexus One overshadowed the Hero, I'll probably upgrade. Not then ... it's not worth selling my current phone.
I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.
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I feel the same way as you. Im not going to say its a bad phone but we all had such high expectations. Who knows maybe LG might make the next NEXUS. I switched from my N1 because that was already starting go get me mad. I use to hate my brothers Vibrant because the screen was so amazing. So my Pros overpower the Cons so ill stick to it. Maybe when the new LG comes out ill jump on it, but i HATE branded phones. loaded with a bunch of crap i don't need.
Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.
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I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.
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i agree with most but now the negatives.
- no community support " really, who buys an LG phone here? "
- its 2.2, they promised 2.3 which will probably be ****ty just like 2.2 on Galaxy S
- for sure no Android 3.0
- its an LG phone. how many times i have to say it ?
in paper, the Lg 2X is amazing. will i buy one ? probably i will. i think think the nexus S is a disspointment in terms of power
its not a bad phone. its just a galaxy S with better software " no rfs bull**** " and support by google. so android 3.0 is coming
plus. its a 3 months away. you could always buy the nexus S and sell it later if that phone is better. BUT if you already have nexus 1 or newer, then yeah dont spend money on nexus S
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Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.
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please dont post bull****. thank you and good bye
I suspect the shipped units will have kernels that're set up just fine.
Also just because LG doesn't have a big dev following yet, doesn't mean it wont when this comes out. This could be the thing that starts it off for them.
I seriously thought about waiting for the LG phone, primarily because of the Tegra2 and the 8MP camera. There was one major reason I didn't wait:
Straight Google Experience.
I am sick and tired of waiting for months on end for manufacturers and carriers to update the OS. And I'm tired of wondering if a manufacturer will update an OS for a phone at all.
Sure, the developers here on XDA are amazing, but they still need hardware drivers from the manufacturers to work their magic.
I just wanted to know that I was going to have a phone that Google supported.
Dudes-
It's not like you didn't know the specs before buying the thing. LOL.
Seriously, some of the design decisions on the phone are mind-boggling (no AT&T support like the Vibrant has, no "4G" support, no external sdcard, etc), but we knew these decisions before purchasing.
Personally, I love Galaxy S phones, and this is the best looking, best fitting in my hand of the lot, but I'd been using an i9000 on AT&T and in the areas of Los AngelesI frequent, the AT&T service is better overall than T-Mo. If the phone were 4G, I'd put up with the poorer coverage of T-Mo, but as is, the T-Mo service has me 50/50 on keeping the phone or not.
I have to disagree with the above comment that if you have a Nexus One this upgrade doesn't make sense. The much superior 4" SAMOLED vs. the 3.7" AMOLED screen is reason enough to dump the N1 for the NS, especially if you spend any time in the sunlight. The vastly superior multi-touch touch screen of the NS is also reason enough to switch, IMHO.
To each his own, though.
I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?
4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?
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HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.
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HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.
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I second that. And pple keep talking about this tegra 2 crap what really are you gonna use dual core for? I mean lets be senseful here? With Gingerbread this phone is already fast and and pretty much polished. Tegra 2 is probably gonna be a battery hog. And this phone is gonna be full of LG/TMO bloatware, and no support at all its gonna be atuck at 2.3 for ever. That's 'IF' it even releases on 2.3. Anf Honestly who wants an LG phone c'mon now. Return your phone and you shall regret. Trust me the Nexus S is sold out pretty much everywhere when u return it and try to change ur mind to get it again its gonna be gone.. And I know thats gonna happen
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4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.
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I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.
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So let me ask you something. Are dual core phones gonna drop the iPhone 4 value as well? I mean its gonna be single core for a while chances are the next one will STILL be single core.
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.. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster"...
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Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
10:45 http://www.phonedog.com/videos/google-nexus-s-vs-mytouch-4g-dogfight-pt-2/
So whats the big deal everyone is dying for 4G? This reminds me of the Iphone4 vs HTC Evo video lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
I hardly even get 2 megabits where I live.If you're area had HSPA+ its capped at what 6.5 isnt that enough for video chat?Also he had sprint maybe better coverage where you were and had nothing to do with 4g
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Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.
The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.
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The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.
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EXACTLY.....& T-MOBILE 3G coverage is not even everywhere yet so what makes them think 4G will be everywhere in the next few months??
Might as well never get a phone then, since new phones come out every month or two, you'll end up waiting forever.
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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.
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- I can tell you for sure 80% of cities with HSPA+ you will get the same speed on a non HSPA+ device. If the OP is not even getting a good 3G how can he get a good HSPA+.
- That will be 2 guys test. The second one is me. I had the G2 ("4G") and I tested its speed in Miami, FL (definitely HSPA+ area) and there was no difference at ALL, different times, different locations.
- I'm sure there are places where HSPA+ is a lot faster but thats the minority. If HSPA+ in my were was much faster, sure I will mind, but it is not.
can someone please explain to me whats the Hype with the Htc Thunderbolt? isnt it basically a Evo with a bump in Ram and Verizon suppose Lte Network? More or less what we have had with the evo for a while now.?
Pretty much.
The core is a newer generation so its comparable to the Evo shift.
Not worth $200 with two year.
It's hyped because verizon is finally getting something to compete with us
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8GB internal storage plus a bit more RAM. Looking at the specs that appears to be it, apart from LTE insetad of WiMAX. Even has the same Snapdragon processor.
Oh, there's template support for emails on the Evo but not the Thunderbolt, but who really uses templates anyway?
Unless Verizon puts a crapload of bloat on it, it might actually perform better than the Evo because of the reduced number of apps no one cares about (Navigation, NFL, NASCAR, etc.)
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8GB internal storage plus a bit more RAM. Looking at the specs that appears to be it, apart from LTE insetad of WiMAX. Even has the same Snapdragon processor.
Oh, there's template support for emails on the Evo but not the Thunderbolt, but who really uses templates anyway?
Unless Verizon puts a crapload of bloat on it, it might actually perform better than the Evo because of the reduced number of apps no one cares about (Navigation, NFL, NASCAR, etc.)
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I believe the snapdragon in the thunderbolt is a bit newer generation than the evo.
Verizon is enough reason to forget using the thunderbolt
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I believe the snapdragon in the thunderbolt is a bit newer generation than the evo.
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Yeah it is but is the same evo just redesign more like evo 1.5
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Verizon is enough reason to forget using the thunderbolt
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Why ? Verizon data is faster then Sprint I know the plans are more expensive but you got to recognize their coverage
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Pretty much.
The core is a newer generation so its comparable to the Evo shift.
Not worth $200 with two year.
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Anyone who truly believes this, is an ass. The Thunderbolt is better than any Sprint phone that's out, spec wise. EVO's development is the true gem, for now. It's the only reason I still post in here, even though I have other daily drivers. Give credit where credit is due. Sprint will get their just desserts soon, trust me.
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Anyone who truly believes this, is a ass. The Thunderbolt is better than any Sprint phone that's out, spec wise. EVO's development is the true gem, for now. It's the only reason I still post in here, even though I have other daily drivers. Give credit where credit is due. Sprint will get their just desserts soon, trust me.
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An ass why?
Will all due respect, the HTC Thunderbolt is the Evo Shift with an LTE radio.
Is that bad?
No.
Is it worth $199.99 with a two-year agreement?
Considering what we KNOW is coming very soon, no.
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An ass why?
Will all due respect, the HTC Thunderbolt is the Evo Shift with an LTE radio.
Is that bad?
No.
Is it worth $199.99 with a two-year agreement?
Considering what we KNOW is coming very soon, no.
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Actually it got the new sense as well and 1 gbz snapdragon (not the same as the evo , this is the new version ,which the shift 4G has lower ) and the shift 4G got something between the old sense and the new one but not desire hd sense tho
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Actually it got the new sense as well and 1 gbz snapdragon (not the same as the evo , this is the new version ,which the shift 4G has lower ) and the shift 4G got something between the old sense and the new one but not desire hd sense tho
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Well that only matters if you care about sense, but it's been suggested [and is completely realistic] that the Evo/Evo Shift will be getting the new sense.
As far as the core it's pretty much the same exact one as in the Evo Shift except instead of clocked at 800 mhz it's clocked at 1GHZ.
So, at best, it's an extremely minor spec bump from the Evo Shift.
That extra 200MHz is all that's needed to possibly get a Gingerbread update...
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That extra 200MHz is all that's needed to possibly get a Gingerbread update...
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Um... why couldn't an 800mhz core get it too??
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That extra 200MHz is all that's needed to possibly get a Gingerbread update...
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Well the extra MHz doesn't really give u update as Google said it they never put how much you CPU has to be to run gingerbread 800GHz should be more then enough , it all depends on HTC and Sprint
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People seem to be in denial that the Evo isnt the best phone on the market anymore. And honestly the LTE alone was enough to make me switch. If you want to see the huge differences, look at the benchmark comparisons on youtube between the thunderbolt and the evo. It's not even remotely close.
Thunderbolt has a fatter kickstand and they put a larger speaker behind the kickstand. Pretty neat.
The HTC Thunderbolt (ADR6400 codename "Scorpion or Mecha") will be the first 4G LTE smartphone on Verizon Wireless. It is a CDMA variant of the HTC Desire HD. It was first announced at CES on January 6, 2011. This phone is to be considered the flagship phone for Verizon, going head to head with the HTC EVO.
In addition to 4G service, the Thunderbolt will be the first Verizon phone to support simultaneous Voice/Data over 3G without the help of Wi-Fi.
You can run gingerbread on your phone clocked down to 250 MHz. Animations will be choppy but it'll run just fine. So all this B.S. about mhz is b.s.
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Thunderbolt will be the first Verizon phone to support simultaneous Voice/Data over 3G without the help of Wi-Fi.
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orly?
10char
To be fair, simultaneous voice and data over 3G will be possible with Sprint as well. Verizon just happened to drop a phone that will use it first. The chipset wasn't ready when EVO was in production.Inspire 4G and HTC Thunderbolt is of the same cloth, but a minor spec to the EVO Shift, which is a carbon copy of the G2? That's just inviting the flames. Verizon's answer to the EVO was the Droid X, not the TB. People don't understand how long the EVO was being worked on by HTC and Sprint. It was a true flagship. HTC Pyramid is a true flagship, so keep your eyes on it at CTIA.
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Why ? Verizon data is faster then Sprint I know the plans are more expensive but you got to recognize their coverage
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You mean that made up patched up coverage map of roaming agreements?
my 3g and 4g speeds are crazy, i normally get between 800k-1.1mbps on 3G and like 7 or 8mbps on 4G. the last major 3G speedtest done rated At&t 1st over 3G (where its available), and Sprint came in at 2nd place. ive NEVER had any signal issues with sprint. And i travel frequently. the truth of the matter is the Sprint vs Verizon battle is never ending, but at the end of the day, it only matters if it works where YOU need it to work at.
Now, I will say that we all know about sprints recent 3G data speed troubles, but im sure they will have it fixed soon. ****ty, but true.
As far as the thunderbolt goes, Im not envious of it at all. The new Snapdragon core + more ram is better, but other than the its just the Evo, with a LTE radio in it. Better than the Evo? yes. Enough to make me switch? No chance
Have you seen lte's speeds? And the phone just is what ours should have been. Who's switching to verizon for this monster? Do you guys thing sprint will upgrade wimax's speeds or are they gona be crappy like their 3g?
Wimax maybe not as fast, but it's good enough really. Other than that, the Evo is a year older than the Thunderbolt, and in terms of speed and performance it's not too much better than our Evo. The issue with Wimax, is if your area has support. Toledo area here still does not.
Not me. I'm not going to that company and paying high prices for the thunderbolt. Sprint will come out with something comparable
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Not me. I'm not going to that company and paying high prices for the thunderbolt. Sprint will come out with something comparable
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Indeed. Just wait until next week to find out what Sprint will be unveiling. I'm certain it will be better than the Thunderbolt.
Love my evo, holding on to it until something truly amazing comes out. Maybe a dual core or lte sprint phone (since they're switching to lte anyway)
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Sprint/Wimax has its issues, definitely. I can't even speak on wimax because it isn't in my area and may never be.
The Thunderbolt is a nice phone, no doubt. The fact that it's on Verizon and has horrible battery life make it a non-option for me. It will take a lot more than minimal upgrades to make me switch carriers and pay a higher phone bill.
Not bashing the phone tho, it's a nice option for people already on Verizon and ready for an upgrade.
Are you kidding? Verizon got shafted with the Thunderbolt. They pretty much got the G2 without the physical keyboard and with a bigger screen. HTC shoot (aka EVO 3D) is probably going to be Sprint's next big phone this summer, and that this is going to rape on everything (except for the iPhone 5 if Apple puts the A5 in it). HTC shooter has a 2nd generation dual-core Snapdargon SoC which uses an Adreno 220 GPU. The Thunderbolt is a single core scorpion CPU with an Adreno 205 GPU, so basically a G2.
NO THANKS!
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Not me. I'm not going to that company and paying high prices for the thunderbolt. Sprint will come out with something comparable
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This is it in a nutshell.
Sprint: Meager 3G speed, decent 4G-Wimax speed where available. Somewhat spotty coverage. Slow rollout of Wimax to unserved and underserved areas. Uncertainty of whether the 4G network will remain Wimax or transition to LTE. Excellent service pricing. Unlimited data that fits the definition of unlimited.
Verizon: Moderate 3G speed, pretty fast LTE speed. Coverage pretty much everywhere. Proven speedy rollout of next-gen tech (proven by EVDO Rev. 0 then Rev. A rollouts). Concrete certainty that LTE is the only 4G tech on tap. Pricing that leaves one butthurt every month. Data packages (except for iPhone and Thunderbolt-LTE) that are not unlimited.
at&t: Excellent 3G speed, where available, and where not clogged with hoards of iPhone users; decently fast "4G" speed. Proven to lag behind in rollout of next-gen tech (where's LTE, why upgrade to [email protected]#[email protected]#+ when LTE is out?!), proven to **** the bed completely in upgrading backhaul and adding capacity to their oversold network. LTE announced and planned, but no rollout yet. Pricing that is somewhat sensible, yet still designed to extract every last dollar from every customer. Data packages built for your grandmother.
T-Mobile: Reasonable 3G speed, where you can get it. Very good 4G speed, in the 2-square-block area you can receive it. Lags behind everyone and everything in rollout of new technology. LTE? What's that? Pricing that is generally excellent, with many options for handset ownership and subsidy. Data packages ok except for the 90% of places that you can't get more than EDGE speeds.
I wish there were a carrier that had it all. The 3G speed of at&t without the capacity issues. Verizon's 4G speed and rollout schedule. Sprint's all-you-can-eat pricing without nickel and diming customers to death. Seems like such a carrier would have 80% of the market overnight and enough income to build out the network of our dreams.
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Are you kidding? Verizon got shafted with the Thunderbolt. They pretty much got the G2 without the physical keyboard and with a bigger screen. HTC shoot (aka EVO 3D) is probably going to be Sprint's next big phone this summer, and that this is going to rape on everything (except for the iPhone 5 if Apple puts the A5 in it). HTC shooter has a 2nd generation dual-core Snapdargon SoC which uses an Adreno 220 GPU. The Thunderbolt is a single core scorpion CPU with an Adreno 205 GPU, so basically a G2.
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Verizon is far from shafted, they are also getting the Droid Bionic - LTE, Tegra 2 (which looks to be faster than the dual core Snapdragon), huge battery, etc.
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Verizon is far from shafted, they are also getting the Droid Bionic - LTE, Tegra 2 (which looks to be faster than the dual core Snapdragon), huge battery, etc.
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He didn't say Verizon was completely screwed over, just with the Thunderbolt. I don't like Motorola products too much, but the Bionic is looking pretty good so far. Let's just hope they get blur either working great, or out of the way.
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Verizon is far from shafted, they are also getting the Droid Bionic - LTE, Tegra 2 (which looks to be faster than the dual core Snapdragon), huge battery, etc.
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I meant as far as getting the Thunderbolt. Obviously Verizon has better phones than Sprint, but if you compare HTC devices then Verizon definitely gets the shaft. Let's be realistic, compared to what's out there, the Thunderbolt is a very lack-luster device. The only nice thing about it is the LTE support. In every other way it's practically an EVO/Incredible with a slightly better GPU (so a G2).
I'm just going off of the recently leaked benchmarks for the HTC Shooter. On paper, the Adreno 220 is supposed to be faster than Tegra 2 and anything forthcoming with the exception of the A5 Apple uses in the iPad 2 (and maybe the iPhone 5?). And according to the leaked benchmarks the HTC Shooter out-performs the Atrix 4G, which is a Tegra 2 device, in openGL performance. The Shooter will also probably ship with Gingerbread out of the box, and boasts a 960x540 resolution screen
I'm very excited about the HTC Shooter!
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I meant as far as getting the Thunderbolt. Obviously Verizon has better phones than Sprint, but if you compare HTC devices then Verizon definitely gets the shaft. Let's be realistic, compared to what's out there, the Thunderbolt is a very lack-luster device. The only nice thing about it is the LTE support. In every other way it's practically an EVO/Incredible with a slightly better GPU (so a G2).
I'm just going off of the recently leaked benchmarks for the HTC Shooter. On paper, the Adreno 220 is supposed to be faster than Tegra 2 and anything forthcoming with the exception of the A5 Apple uses in the iPad 2 (and maybe the iPhone 5?). And according to the leaked benchmarks the HTC Shooter out-performs the Atrix 4G, which is a Tegra 2 device, in openGL performance. The Shooter will also probably ship with Gingerbread out of the box, and boasts a 960x540 resolution screen
I'm very excited about the HTC Shooter!
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We'll see. Tegra 2 is right there (beating it in some GPU benchmarks) and Tegra 3D is right around the corner. The newer OMAPs have a monster GPU too.
To me it really doesn't matter if verizon gets a phone thats twice as fast as the EVO, without an uncapped data plan I will never be going to Verizon.
Yea we been smoked except for the fact the evo is almost a yr old and this just came out. Ummmm ok.
Halabeaster54 said:
Have you seen lte's speeds? And the phone just is what ours should have been. Who's switching to verizon for this monster? Do you guys thing sprint will upgrade wimax's speeds or are they gona be crappy like their 3g?
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i personally dont switch carriers for a phone...
i can not afford the verizon pricing....
unlimited data is better than.. faster data speeds..
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This is it in a nutshell.
Sprint: Meager 3G speed, decent 4G-Wimax speed where available. Somewhat spotty coverage. Slow rollout of Wimax to unserved and underserved areas. Uncertainty of whether the 4G network will remain Wimax or transition to LTE. Excellent service pricing. Unlimited data that fits the definition of unlimited.
Verizon: Moderate 3G speed, pretty fast LTE speed. Coverage pretty much everywhere. Proven speedy rollout of next-gen tech (proven by EVDO Rev. 0 then Rev. A rollouts). Concrete certainty that LTE is the only 4G tech on tap. Pricing that leaves one butthurt every month. Data packages (except for iPhone and Thunderbolt-LTE) that are not unlimited.
at&t: Excellent 3G speed, where available, and where not clogged with hoards of iPhone users; decently fast "4G" speed. Proven to lag behind in rollout of next-gen tech (where's LTE, why upgrade to [email protected]#[email protected]#+ when LTE is out?!), proven to **** the bed completely in upgrading backhaul and adding capacity to their oversold network. LTE announced and planned, but no rollout yet. Pricing that is somewhat sensible, yet still designed to extract every last dollar from every customer. Data packages built for your grandmother.
T-Mobile: Reasonable 3G speed, where you can get it. Very good 4G speed, in the 2-square-block area you can receive it. Lags behind everyone and everything in rollout of new technology. LTE? What's that? Pricing that is generally excellent, with many options for handset ownership and subsidy. Data packages ok except for the 90% of places that you can't get more than EDGE speeds.
I wish there were a carrier that had it all. The 3G speed of at&t without the capacity issues. Verizon's 4G speed and rollout schedule. Sprint's all-you-can-eat pricing without nickel and diming customers to death. Seems like such a carrier would have 80% of the market overnight and enough income to build out the network of our dreams.
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Love the explanation but i disagree on some points
Verizon: Known for their service but their 3g is starting to lag like at&ts does.
Sprint: Very spotty but if your in an area that has wimax its still the slowest 4g. You can always go the boost mobile root with [ILLEGAL] changing the esn and paying 50 a month for unlimited everything.
AT&T: ok 3g speeds. So many dropped calls on my old iphones i think my record was 27 in a row.
TMobile: Fast 3g and 4g! service in most places not spotty, In NYC i get around 8mb/s. I pay $60 a month for unlimited everything no contract (simple mobile)
the thunderbolt is much better than the evo. updated ram, cpu, lcd, better network too. sprint's 3g & 4g suck in comparison but their prices trump verizons two fold.
im sure the nexus s & evo3d will be better than the thunderbolt.
Khilbron said:
To me it really doesn't matter if verizon gets a phone thats twice as fast as the EVO, without an uncapped data plan I will never be going to Verizon.
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Uh verizons data isnt capped on smartphones.
Personally, I like the Thunderbolt, but the Evo 3D will be my winner. Hopefully my mom will let me get the one year update since its on her line, since she'll be happy with her Evo still. .
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the thunderbolt is much better than the evo. updated ram, cpu, lcd, better network too. sprint's 3g & 4g suck in comparison but their prices trump verizons two fold.
im sure the nexus s & evo3d will be better than the thunderbolt.
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After a year I could only hope the same manufacturer would be able to make a better product. Sprint works fine me here in Arlington.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/29/nexus-4-official-available-november-13th-starting-at-299/
Key specifications
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon™ S4 Pro processor with 1.5GHz Quad-Core Krait CPUs
Operating System: Android 4.2, Jelly Bean
Network: 3G (WCDMA), HSPA+
Display: 4.7-inch WXGA True HD IPS Plus (1280 x 768 pixels)
Memory: 8GB / 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Camera: 8.0MP rear / 1.3MP HD front
Battery: 2,100mAh Li-Polymer (embedded) / Talk time: 15.3 hours / Standby: 390 hours
Other: Wireless charging, NFC
Price: UNLOCKED - $299:8gb / $349:16gb ($199:16gb w/ 2yr T-Mobile contract)
Or, we can wait another 6 months or so for the SGS4
Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
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Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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I love that it's unlocked, though. So we could put it on our carrier of choice, just no lte
J.ust A. R.eally V.ery I.ntelligent S.ystem
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Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
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Nah, my epic is slowly falling apart (screen cracks, needs a new battery, among other things), and I don't have any need for a physical keyboard, meaning I don't need a phone this big.
And it's not really latest and greatest 2+ years after I got the device. Technology has moved further, and it'd be nice to have all the "comforts" of the phones of late 2012 - great, fast cameras, fast processor speeds, NFC, etc.
Again, I'm not anxious, I've had my upgrade available since July of this year, just wanting a good device worthy of an upgrade from the Epic, available on Sprint, which doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon.
I'm considering the N4. Sprint's service has been so "meh!" in my area for the last 6 years, that switching to Tmobile or a MVNO seems to be a nice idea. Here is an article that gives some insight as to why no LTE radio.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-explanation-and-why-it-sort-of-makes-sense/
While I know that everyone has a different experience with their network, a side by side of LTE and HSPA+ shows that for the majority of users, HSPA+ will be perfectly fine (although most people considering a Nexus phone are probably power users), but the T-Mobile HSPA+ here in Denver beats the crap out of my WiMax network. My nephew has the Galaxy S 4G (not the S II) and it consistently gets speeds 25-30% faster than my average WiMax speeds. With the Nexus 4 it bears mentioning the added processing speed of the faster processor and additional RAM. I think overall Google may have made the right choice excluding LTE as it keeps the cost of an unlocked phone down. Has anyone seen what the iPhone 5 goes for? Or the SGS III? That they are producing this for 50% or less of other premium phones cost is amazing. Also, the Nexus 4 is SEXY
Just a point of reference, it's not perfect, but it shows some of the HSPA+ potential.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5iBxqsjW8
So a follow up on this, my friend on T-Mo with his SGS III just ran 6 speed tests for me of the HSPA+ network and his average DL in Denver was 21.73 Mbps and average UL was 2.36
Not as strong an upload as LTE, but the DL is about 5 times my average with WiMax and UL is pretty comparable.
LTE is a must feature, IMO. I like the fact that Google is sticking it to CDMA carriers, but it is a Pyrric victory. Nexus 4 sales will likely be sluggish, its specs notwithstanding. As for me, I no longer have any patience with Sprint (and its NetworkVision promises), and Epic, for all the wonderful dev effort, just isn't meant to run JB very well and now feels very dated when it comes to processing power and RAM. Going to get a VZW S3 in a few weeks.
There is now Sprint LTE in my area so I am rather anxious to upgrade. It is really too bad that the Nexus 4 is not going to be on Sprint and the Optimus G has less than stellar battery life and no removable battery/sd card, I guess even if the Nexus 4 was on Sprint it'd have the same downfalls.
If the SIII had the internals of the Note 2 (including the non-pentile screen), it'd be perfect.
N4 16GB ($350) + T-Mobile plan ($30 no contract) = FTW
Cannot resist that deal even with my Epic + SERO plan ($60)
Done with all this 4G/WiMax/LTE hype when in reality I hardly even use those speeds given the current coverage limitations.