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Now that the phone's been rooted, how do I completely wipe every single trace of SenseUI? In other words, I want it to look like nearly every other Android phone out there. White status bar etc.
Removing Rosie.apk from /system/app did nothing...
Question I'd like answered as well. I'm guessing we'll have to wait for a full custom ROM. Though I can say that all Sprint stuff I've removed has all ready made the phone much snappier.
Well you dont really have to remove sensui, you can just set the phone to only show just the regular home. You can do that by going to settings > applications > Manage Applications find HTC Sense and click that and click clear defaults. When you do that press home and check the check box that says use as default or something like that and click Home icon on the screen.
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Well you dont really have to remove sensui, you can just set the phone to only show just the regular home. You can do that by going to settings > applications > Manage Applications find HTC Sense and click that and click clear defaults. When you do that press home and check the check box that says use as default or something like that and click Home icon on the screen.
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But that's the problem, it only shows regular home and nothing else from the vanilla Android.
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Well you dont really have to remove sensui, you can just set the phone to only show just the regular home. You can do that by going to settings > applications > Manage Applications find HTC Sense and click that and click clear defaults. When you do that press home and check the check box that says use as default or something like that and click Home icon on the screen.
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Sense UI still runs in the background.
And you're not gonna get this phone to run completely without unless you flashing a custom rom. The Sense UI is more than just 7 screens and widgets. It's the taskbar, dialer, calendar, lock screen and a bunch of different apps and such.
ajones7279 said:
Sense UI still runs in the background.
And you're not gonna get this phone to run completely without unless you flashing a custom rom. The Sense UI is more than just 7 screens and widgets. It's the taskbar, dialer, calendar, lock screen and a bunch of different apps and such.
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Yeah.. Why would one want to remove sense? I have no problem with it, just wanted to know
goku14238 said:
Yeah.. Why would one want to remove sense? I have no problem with it, just wanted to know
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Some people like to be more "minimalist" and tweak for every ounce of performance (and further, it's just a personal preference thing...like some people like the looks of a Camaro over a Mustang and vice versa).
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Some people like to be more "minimalist" and tweak for every ounce of performance (and further, it's just a personal preference thing...like some people like the looks of a Camaro over a Mustang and vice versa).
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Oh ok, I see. I do know of some people that prefer the vanilla look, because it's what they are used to.
As mentioned above, there are still some HTC-specific apps on the phone even after removing Rosie.apk. Removing Rosie does prevent it from starting up a service on boot, but there's more to be removed/replaced to get a fully vanilla android experience.
One of the problems is getting the vanilla app that will replace the HTC one. Not all of the vanilla android apps are open source and available to just drop in as a replacement. You also have to be sure that the SDK version matches, or you'll get compatibility problems. For example, you can't drop in Calendar.apk from a CyanogenMod ROM (1.6) onto these phones because it won't work on 1.5. You'd need to get the 1.5 version of the app. And even then, HTC may have modified other core components (we know they hacked in CDMA support into 1.5, so there's no telling what else they modified in order to make vanilla 1.5 wholly incompatible with the modified platform -- if they did at all, of course).
You should feel free to experiment with removing/replacing apps on the phone, now that you have the ability to do so. Just keep in mind that you may very well break something if you remove the wrong app, etc. So, make sure you a) keep a backup of EVERY file that you replace/remove; in fact, I backed up the entire /system/app/ directory so that I have every app that I change; and b) have a root-capable recovery image (RA recovery 1.2.3) so that if your phone stops booting, you can go into recovery, mount /system, and restore whatever you last changed, to see if it fixes it.
I've already removed Rosie, all the (non-essential) Sprint apps, and all the HTC Widgets (com.htc.*Widget.*, Htc*Widget.*, Sprint_{N*,TV*}.apk, and several other HTC apps. No issues so far. One thing I noticed is that removing the apk from /system/app/ doesn't seem to remove all traces of the app... When I run fix_permissions from the recovery rom, it still looks for those apk files I removed, and gives a note that the file is gone and I should reinstall. Obviously, it's gone for a reason, but I haven't looked into why it's able to see that it should be there and isn't.
It started driving me mad. If I minimize browser, I can't be sure it won't close. Not only minimizing for longer periods, but short ones as well - wanted to reply an sms when a page was loading, but when I got back to it, it started over. And all the loaded tabs were gone! Saving states my ass, it takes time to load a page from zero and only the active browsing window remains. How to make this "multitasker" multitask?
does this also happen if you return to the browser by holding home?
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does this also happen if you return to the browser by holding home?
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Yes, that's the only way I switch betwen apps.
Have you installed the 'system-based' taskiller mod by any chance (you know, the one that was announced here that automatically keeps memory free by modifying the default thresholds for killing apps)?
If so, I reckon that's the issue! Either that, or you have too much running, so popping the browser into the background makes it a background task and it gets killed cos you're really short of RAM.
Let us know if you have used the tweak though...
@kengdong...
it doesn't matter how you change the apps.
For android it's the same, whether you tap an icon on a homescreen/list or whether you select it from the "task switch" thing... all that does is listing the last recently used applications but still tapping them results in the same internal action.
Source: Android SDK Documentation
I've had pretty much the same issue since I got the phone back in November (I guess I've just gotten used to it by now). I'm never really sure when I switch back to the browser if it will retain the page loaded and any other windows, or if it will reset, close the other windows, and have to reload the active page. I'm on the stock Telus ROM, no custom ROM, not rooted, no tweaks, nothing extra (I've been waiting patiently for 2.1 to come out before messing with custom ROMS).
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Source: Android SDK Documentation
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thx for the heads up, i wasn't sure about this, actually i was asking to maybe get an answer to this worked
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Have you installed the 'system-based' taskiller mod by any chance (you know, the one that was announced here that automatically keeps memory free by modifying the default thresholds for killing apps)?
If so, I reckon that's the issue! Either that, or you have too much running, so popping the browser into the background makes it a background task and it gets killed cos you're really short of RAM.
Let us know if you have used the tweak though...
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No, I have stock rom and I have never used any task killer or related app / tweak.
And I don't run too much stuff.. only music player, messaging and sense's facebook perhaps. If music player is paused, why can't it quit it instead... I prefer multitasking of my past htc s730 which had like 7 megs of free ram after booting.
Even after a hard reset, this behavior remains.
i dont know.. it works fine for me....
1.. maybe there is a setting in the browser.. to always refresh.
2.. you have a repair issue.. Need to take it in to your local service provider repair center. Let them see your issue.
Dan330 said:
i dont know.. it works fine for me....
1.. maybe there is a setting in the browser.. to always refresh.
2.. you have a repair issue.. Need to take it in to your local service provider repair center. Let them see your issue.
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Come on, it's no hardware issue. Most of the time the browser stays, but u just can't be sure about that because it sometimes just closes. I think that it's an issue with Android's STUPID memory management, which also has a scheduled "quit all" script.
Yesterday I opened up a few articles on the browser and decided to read them later. This morning they all remained and I was pleasantly surprised I could read them. This very moment, though, they are gone by now even though I haven't quit the browser - probably that 'quit all' script kicked in.
There could be something in settings, where you could chose apps which would not close ever unless quit..
I would love if Android apps were quitable without any automatic mem management.
Suggest to grab AutoKiller or MinFreeManager, which are just frontends to Android's memory management (also they reapply settings at boot time, as the system file that's being modified is reset every boot.)
See what your current settings are, and lower them (e.g. use "moderate" preset). Just search XDA for autokiller or minfreemanager for more info.
Pressing home should only move that application to the background (pressing back should close it).
If you are pressing home and applications are still closing then there must be a task killer of some sort in place closing it for you.
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Pressing home should only move that application to the background (pressing back should close it).
If you are pressing home and applications are still closing then there must be a task killer of some sort in place closing it for you.
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You obviously have not read the topic.
No task killers, tasks dont neceaarily close, its juast that u cant be sure they will remain in memory.
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If you are pressing home and applications are still closing then there must be a task killer of some sort in place closing it for you.
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Yes - it's the standard Android process management rather than a 3rd party task killer.
I guess the browser is given a low priority and is one of the first apps to be killed.
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Dave
Hello XDA, this is my first post. I've had the EVO since launch and I just installed the early rooted Froyo build when it was released but that's irrelevant because this problem was there from the start. I use Advanced Task Killer and see that random apps are opening without my prompting, things like Google Voice, Gmail, Voicemail...very annoying.
On another note I have much more available memory running this unofficial Froyo, even with these apps opening at their will, than I did originally. Thanks for that, XDA.
Since you're rooted, you have two options that I know of.
Download Titanium backup and when you click on the backup/restore tab, you can click on the apps that frequently pop-up in ATK (e.g., voice dialer) and chose to freeze them. This will render the app inoperable. If you have any functional problems you can simply defrost it.
If you find that you're frozen apps are not causing any problems and you don't use them, you can then uninstall them with root explorer (or another file explore with root access).
I have Titanium Backup and didn't know I could do this, thank you very much. is there any way I could stop the apps from opening without rendering them useless?
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Get Autostarts. Configure it.
If I download Autostarts, will it stop my apps from opening by themselves even if I use them occasionally?
I know StartupAuditor does, but its a paid app...
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I know StartupAuditor does, but its a paid app...
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I suppose I'll go for that then
Some of the apps need to be running in order to work as they should. Unless and app is chewing up a lot of CPU you won't notice a drain on the system. A lot of these apps have services that are running constantly so they can poll the system for updates in state, say like receiving a text, call or email. Likely many of the apps are set to auto-refresh so they have to start every so often to complete a task.
ITS FINEEE!!!!
Ok, I am pretty good with computers and electronics but not so much on Android.
But I have done research from people who do know android, and will tell you what to do.
1. Don't use a task killer!!
2. Android is based off of Linux OS.
3. When you turn your phone on and launch Advanced task killer, all of your apps will most likely be "opened" however they are not running.
4. The way the OS works is by technically having all of those apps opened, but they are most likely not wasting CPU or battery, so don't worry about them, thats the way everyone's android device works.
5. Using a task killer is bad, because when you shut down the apps, eventually you will get a lot of force closes, because apps that were supposed to be open were closed and their for not running the way they should.
6. Apparently the OS runs better with more apps open, however its not like windows mobile where if you have 3 apps running at once, it will make the phone slower. Android is designed to have all apps "opened" Again it does not mean they are running.
However,
If you notice that a certain app is hogging CPU or causing poor battery life, delete it, but if you really need the app, then you can use the task killer to kill that app.
And no if used a task killer, your phone will not be ruined or anything.
Hope this helps.
agreed, don't use a task killer, they are essentially useless and just end up causing problems on the evo
What your seeing is most likely the app 'process' so it will actually work correctly.
I am just curious if anyone else has had a similar issue and if rooting it would resolve my problem. When my phone is "asleep" and I press the unlock button it almost never lights up immediately. Sometimes it will take 5+ seconds to light up before I am able to slide to unlock.
I am not sure if rooting the device and removing/freezing motoblur and all of the other bloatware would make it run better. I for sure want to root it in hopes that the phone will be less laggy. I think the inspire and captivate run smoother which is somewhat disappointing.
anyone else have a similar complaint or a way to fix it?
I had this problem with 1.26.
Flash firmware to stock 1.26, and update to 1.52 and you should be fine.
Rooting will not help.. Could be apps running in the background or widgets, idk.
Any improvement immediately after phone is fully re-booted?
Edit: I just realized you may not have AT&T...
Hey thanks. It is an at&t atrix and is currently running on 4.1.57. I dont think it "wakes" faster after a reboot. Sometimes it wakes right after I click it, but sometimes I can push the button and wait 5-10 seconds... I assumed rooting it and removing all of the garbage would fix the problem haha!
Actually, I would root anyway, so you can remove a lot of that stock Motoblur stuff, and keep it out of memory (by freezing it). It certainly can't hurt, and it might contribute to a speedier overall experience. Replacing the stock launcher definitely helps in that regard. Launcher Pro, and Go Launcher Ex as a close second, make using the phone so much smoother. Also, use the auto-close task list in the task manager, it could help to improve your problem if it's related to having too many things running.
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Actually, I would root anyway, so you can remove a lot of that stock Motoblur stuff, and keep it out of memory (by freezing it). It certainly can't hurt, and it might contribute to a speedier overall experience. Replacing the stock launcher definitely helps in that regard. Launcher Pro, and Go Launcher Ex as a close second, make using the phone so much smoother. Also, use the auto-close task list in the task manager, it could help to improve your problem if it's related to having too many things running.
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thank you,
I would like to root my phone to remove that stuff. I dont use any of it (especially motoblur.) I am currently using ADW as a launcher. I like some of the things you can change with it. Is Launcher Pro better? I have gone into the stock task manager to "end" applications, but I will take a look at the auto close feature. Maybe I will add everything BUT my widgets to that category. I have 1 widget per page...... Not sure if that is a no, no lol! 5 pages: beautiful widgets (weather,) pandora, double twist, mini stocks, and my power toggles. Should I not have this many widgets? I am running flickie wallpapers so I dont have a live background.... I think beautiful widgets is the only thing really using a great deal of CPU usage (around 5mb) which isnt much.
I have the same problem.
I am rooted on 1.57 and it did not fix my problem.
I was using gingerblur on 1.26 and the problem was still there.
I do not have titanium pro, so I haven't tried freezing motoblur.
if u are using setCPU and undervolt this could be the problem if you leave iddle sometime and wake the cpu could take a little more, try disabling setCPU profile on screen off (if u have it)
Flash the SBF back to 1.26 and see if you have the problem before installing launcher etc... Regardless, I would install gingerblur since it rox.
Same thing on mine, no change between 4.1.26 and 4.1.57. No change between rooted or unrooted. I've just gotten used to it, and it never takes more than 3 or so seconds for me. I hit the button as i'm pulling it out of my pocket, and it's usually on by the time i have it in view.
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i actually notice the same thing
currently on rooted 4.1.57
the lock screen wake up time seems slow...
its funny cause the exact same problem occurs on custom ROMs on the HD2 but I thought a real stock android device wouldnt have this problem...
it's a little bit annoying for me, but im slowly getting used to it. Although i would love for it to be fixed cause I've seen the unlock screens on the Nexus S and Galaxy S and they come on instantly when you push the power button
Remove the Bloat
What would you suggest removing, and is it just an uninstall?
I have it rooted, just dont know what I should uninstall or remove.
Thanks
Yes, I read the other threads out there but no true answer.
I have a ton of apps in my auto-end list... I've heard two things, keep em on there and let them kill them but I also heard for Android 2.2 and above it actually hurts the battery life because it takes more juice to restart the app after being killed then actually leave it running. Any insight on this at all? I currently have every app that isn't a widget on the auto-end list and would like to know if I should stick to this or get them off there?
I added and removed stuff on the auto end list and it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. I started to "freeze" apps from starting by using Titanium Backup. I know it costs a couple bucks but whenever I change ROMS, it reinstalls all my apps that I had downloaded. There's apps like weather service and news, DLNA, and a few others that I don't use but when I look at running apps they are running. Hope this helps.
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Yes, I read the other threads out there but no true answer.
I have a ton of apps in my auto-end list... I've heard two things, keep em on there and let them kill them but I also heard for Android 2.2 and above it actually hurts the battery life because it takes more juice to restart the app after being killed then actually leave it running. Any insight on this at all? I currently have every app that isn't a widget on the auto-end list and would like to know if I should stick to this or get them off there?
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I use Gemini App Manager to alter the auto-start conditions for every app. Apps don't start until I start them. Isn't a noticeable difference between startup times for me. Once they are running, I let them run or quit on exit if the option is there.
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I added and removed stuff on the auto end list and it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. I started to "freeze" apps from starting by using Titanium Backup. I know it costs a couple bucks but whenever I change ROMS, it reinstalls all my apps that I had downloaded. There's apps like weather service and news, DLNA, and a few others that I don't use but when I look at running apps they are running. Hope this helps.
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I have TiBu and do freeze apps I don't use but I'm talking like the Market staying open after you shut off the screen or the messaging app, etc. Not apps I don't use, I'm actually talking about apps I use, apps I don't use are already frozen.
I wouldn't have anything on auto-end list... It basically force closes the app every time you exit out of it then, which is a big no-no.
The way I see it, if an app is using battery in the background, it needs to do it and shouldn't be closed. If it doesn't need to use any battery or processing power, then it won't even if the task manager SAYS it's still running (it's really minimal).
Task killers are probably only useful to kill apps that are going haywire and running when they shouldn't be...In which case, reinstall or just don't use that app.
But I say, don't put anything on auto end. If you are worried about losing battery, lemme tell you I get two days of battery life and I don't do even have a task manager. I just use setcpu to underclock while the screen is off/while I'm sleeping/etc.
I wondered about this too, and while some people still claim to get better battery life with one, I always see articles like this: http://androinica.com/2010/05/googl...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/ that tell me you should never use one ever.
You don’t need to kill an app just because a task manager says it’s running. Android automatically closes apps if the phone requires RAM or if that app remains inactive too long.
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There's also this quote that seems to argue that it's more harmful:
Applications may seem present to the user without an actual process currently running the app; multiple applications may share processes, or one application may make use of multiple processes depending on its needs; the process(es) of an application may be kept around by Android even when that application is not actively doing something.
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I keep something around to easily pick out running apps to force close if they're borking out on me, but I don't have any auto-kill or kill all running apps with a whitelist or anything.