just a quick question...
if I change my recovery type, as an example if I change to clockwork using ROMmanager, will i still be able to use my previous nandroid back ups?
and while i know this might be somewhat subjective, recovery image preferences?
is there a "best" one? I am still using the one I originally used on initial rooting... RA-hero...
maybe...if not, its easy enough to flash the recovery back..
You can still use your old recovery images but you have to relocate them. Clockwork stores it's images in a different folder than RA did. However once you flash Clockwork you can just move your old ones to the folder that Clockwork uses and they will still function.
Just a mention, worked great once I moved my nandroids to the new folder. had to let it backup once to create the folder, but easy peasy.
and clockwork seems really nice Lots of features...
but one strange thing... when doing a datawipe for a fresh flash, it seemed to say it was wiping the ext part too? that was annoying, thank god I did a nandroid that included my ext part in the backup. :-\
the most annoying thing about that was when i flashed the Cyanogen rom, none of my apps on ext were there (obviously), so wondering, how the hell can i access the ext part for backing up apps before wiping?
Titanium backup is your friend. It'll back up your apps and their data. It might cause some issues if you are going to a different ROM when restoring the data though. You can try it at least. It's a fantastic little app.
that seems to be a fave 'round these parts, but i have heard of a few issues, like you mentioned...
usually I use Astro from app backup/restore. works, but kinda a PITA.
BUT! I just discovered something ****ing cool about clockwork...
since I did a nandroid that Included my ext part... when i went to install a new rom for SnG (****s n giggles), well the first time I had lost my ext part apps because clockwork wipes it, but then i poked around in the restore options, under advanced restore, it gives me the option of restoring a ext part from a previous nandroid, separately from the rest of that specific backup!
so, in short, what I am testing right now:
1) data wipe (inc ext part) with clockwork.
2) flash of Cyanogen RC1 (flashing a few fixes like VVM and kernel as well)
3) then "restoring" the ext part Only from a previous nandroid backup, hopefully restoring all of my apps...?
booting up right now, results in a few mins.
lol, just realized something obvious...
2.2 (cyanogen RC1) uses a Native a2sd method, not DTs method.... crap, lol.
so next thing is to flash that Darktremmor fix, then see if my apps show? or... anyone got an idea to transfer from ext part to the native method?
EDIT: well, that didnt work, stuck on bootscreen. fug.
OK, so I have decided I am Not a fan of Clockwork recovery... no, sir,.
Could someone point me to a "better" recovery? Like for DLing, perhaps a quick tut on flashing a new recovery image?
Please?
great "quick tut" on the Unlocker site, but I can't post links....
my fav. has been the "unofficial RA" Darch 1.7something, I renamed it "rad" for easy term. typing, so I can't remember the exact name, originally got it from link on Buufed thread.
currently using Darch's Godspeed, it's ok, agree about Clockwork, don't like it.
so what good is Rom Mngr if you don't use Clockwork? sure, it's a shortcut to recovery, but that's all, and I've got Quick Boot for that, any reason not to get rid of Rom Mngr?
i personally do not like clockwork at all.
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The difference bewteen the 2 and which one is better can anyone tell me thanks
Both are about the same. I've used both today while rooting my Evo. The only difference I came across is that Rom Manager, an awesome tool, required Clockwork in order to do anything. However, I'm running the Fresh ROM, and it isn't possible to directly apply any changes through Fresh Updater with Clockwork installed; the whole thing went to hell and I had to do a nandroid restore.
I prefer the latest clockwork atm because I actually has "back" menu options and backs up my ext partition on my sd card.
I use to prefer Clockwork because of how user friendly it was in comparison, and how you can search through every folder on your sdcard. But now I found that it doesn't completely factory reset your phone and wipe your dalvik cache. Amon-RA is what I have been using since I have found this out.
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I use to prefer Clockwork because of how user friendly it was in comparison, and how you can search through every folder on your sdcard. But now I found that it doesn't completely factory reset your phone and wipe your dalvik cache. Amon-RA is what I have been using since I have found this out.
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The clockworkMOD was updated a few days ago. I am sure that this problem you claim has been fixed.
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Both are about the same. I've used both today while rooting my Evo. The only difference I came across is that Rom Manager, an awesome tool, required Clockwork in order to do anything. However, I'm running the Fresh ROM, and it isn't possible to directly apply any changes through Fresh Updater with Clockwork installed; the whole thing went to hell and I had to do a nandroid restore.
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You can download the update with the Fresh Updater, Click on apply later. The open Rom Manager and install from SD.
Thanks for all the info it sounds like it depends on the rom you choose to run and personal preference Thanks
CWM doesnt seem to work for me. Why do more cooks just do DFT?
Because its easier, and works for 99% of people if you follow directions,and also wrong section for this post.
actually just to thorw my thoughts there. i perfer DTF. i find it kind of disappointing that theres alot of CWM but not of DFT going on.
DEV's please do DFT along with your CWM!!! thank you
And to add to the posts above mine, flashing via cwm is standard on Android phones....
Cwm is way better imo. You need to use selected partitions with each build type. I say make em all flashable through cwm.
I don't get why some have issues with CWM. It's SO much simpler to use in long term operations or if you're a flashoholic. If you say it doesn't work for you, obviously you've done something wrong. Most of the time, it's all a question of having the right partition sizes. If you want ALL ROMs to be compatible, simply flash the 400Mb CWM partition layout and use App2SD+ if you have a leo. If you're a Gingerbread type of guy, flash the 150mb partition size and you're set! Personally what I do is 30mb cache, 120mb system and the rest for data.
Also, some people have issues with CWM because they most likely have issues with their flash. Easiest way to recover is to flash a stock WinMo ROM, restore SPL, format SD card and start all over again.
These forums have TONS of information on how to use CWM and get it up and running, so I don't get it...
yh I like CWM better. Just much neater I think.
Just my opinion
Plus you don't even need a computer. Also if your applying a theme and it messes up, you can just flash your recovery. Dft if you mess up you have to start over.
maybe the reason why i have not tried the CWM is beacuse of the partions stuff. i really dont get it.... and i have gotten fast at setting up ym phone. all my usefull apps are backed up on a box.net account just download and install. no problem. so yeah.
DFT all the way, until sooner or later all of them will be CWM and ill have to change over to it eventually... btu int he mean time DFT!
CWM..........it is!!
CWM is definatly easier. I will admit I was reluctant at first to switch from DFT. Old habits die hard I suppose. But now I can download a new rom and flash it from anywhere. And the backup is awesome to have!! Besides the roms are usually easier to put together for the dev's too. However, the one drawback, IMHO, is different roms require different partition sizes. If CWM were flashable from magldr, or a one size fits all standard were created this would eliminate the need for a pc connection all together.
Clockworkmod benefits=
1. You can make a FULL backup
2. You can make a FULL restore
3. You can wipe each individual part (data, system, sd-ext etc.)
4. You can flash other mods very easily
5. You can do EVERYTHING from your phone including download & flashing the ROM
6. You can wipe dalvik cache and normal cache to save space
7. You can format or partition your SD-card
8. You can store as many ROM's on your SD card to flash at a later time as you want
9. Which is most important!! you can update to a newer version of your favorite ROM without losing ONE THING!!
10. You can fix permissions and wipe battery stats
These are just 10 things I just thought of on the top of my head lol. I think most people don't like it because they haven't gave it long enough of a chance. If your coming from another Android device like me that had Clockworkmod then you couldn't live without it!! I can't think of ONE reason that MAGLDR builds are better than "flashable zips". This is just my opinion
@moto +1 - my man!
About partitions..... only thing u need to know about it is....
Look at the rom u want to flash. You need to know the size of it after it is unzipped. Think of your phone as a box. And your rom as what u want to get in the box. Your not going to fit a sense rom in a 150 mb. partition "box" because its just to big 200+mb. So get a bigger box. Use the 400mb box. If you have a non tmobile hd2 u will need more space to pack your apps and userdata into. Your rom is the first thing in the box and its already almost full, so once your phone starts packing your apps and userdata into the box it gets full really fast. This is where apps2sd and sdcard partitions come into play, think of it as strapping a smaller box ontop of your 400mb box and shipping for the same price. Basically make sure your box (partition) is big enough to fit all your **** in. Easy cheesy!!!!
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motoman234 said:
Clockworkmod benefits=
1. You can make a FULL backup
2. You can make a FULL restore
3. You can wipe each individual part (data, system, sd-ext etc.)
4. You can flash other mods very easily
5. You can do EVERYTHING from your phone including download & flashing the ROM
6. You can wipe dalvik cache and normal cache to save space
7. You can format or partition your SD-card
8. You can store as many ROM's on your SD card to flash at a later time as you want
9. Which is most important!! you can update to a newer version of your favorite ROM without losing ONE THING!!
10. You can fix permissions and wipe battery stats
These are just 10 things I just thought of on the top of my head lol. I think most people don't like it because they haven't gave it long enough of a chance. If your coming from another Android device like me that had Clockworkmod then you couldn't live without it!! I can't think of ONE reason that MAGLDR builds are better than "flashable zips". This is just my opinion
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+1 Best explanation about CWM, DFT is good to start form scratch. Go with CWM and you never look back.
I just CAN'T believe it!!! People keep asking the same question everyday....
How disappointing...
Anyone left with working brain cells??
LOL
bigdookie said:
CWM doesnt seem to work for me. Why do more cooks just do DFT?
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It's all a conspiracy, the devs all got togehter and said if they only build CWM builds then bigdookie won't be able to flash any of the builds LOL
Seriously though, CWM is so easy to use (besides the benefits pointed out by motoman) - especially if you're on magldr 1.13 - just decide what partition size you need for your zip rom (usually specified in the rom thread) and flash it - you even get to use DAF to flash the partition, so you shouldn't have any problem
To access CWM, in magldr menu go to AD Recovery and you are in Recovery mode.
I just started using CWM and love it,my main question is this. if i try a rom i like, get it all set up and working, and then make a backup in cwm, do i need to keep the copy of the zipped rom on my card, or is the backup enough?
along those same lines, if i try a second rom, and then get it set up and do a backup, can i just restore from the previous roms cmw backup file, or do i have to reflash the previous rom and then do the restore?
just curious, cuz i like trying different roms, but i want to keep a "safety" restore point no matter what rom i switch to.
I hope this makes sense?
Thanks in advance.
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I just started using CWM and love it,my main question is this. if i try a rom i like, get it all set up and working, and then make a backup in cwm, do i need to keep the copy of the zipped rom on my card, or is the backup enough?
along those same lines, if i try a second rom, and then get it set up and do a backup, can i just restore from the previous roms cmw backup file, or do i have to reflash the previous rom and then do the restore?
just curious, cuz i like trying different roms, but i want to keep a "safety" restore point no matter what rom i switch to.
I hope this makes sense?
Thanks in advance.
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The backup will contain everything you need to do a full restore. You can trash the zip of the rom. If you need it again for some reason just download it again. You can have as many different backups as your sdcard can hold. They are saved in the clockwork folder by date and time. By the way your sdcard will fill up fast doing 4 or 5 backups so don't be alarmed when it is suddenly full, just go delete old ones. Or do like me and tape another 16gb sdcard under your battery cover(fits perfectly on top of the sim card with a lil hanging out over the battery). Flash away. Also...... we are all posting in a thread that is in the wrong section
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Okay, so you all CWM fans jsut might have agained a new member to the fan club. But i got a question. I have a US HD2. which partion should be best for me?
I've had such great help in these forums (Nook specifically) I couldn't resist trying my luck in these (Droid X) forums as well.
So, I've searched for Clockworkmod threads but they are all (That I found or noticed) from back in August.
Plenty of info to be had on Titanium Backup.
So my question, is Titanium the backup/restore program of choice? I was hoping for an idiots guide to backup and restore (especially in the event of problems) but the guides are kind of sketchy on the restore part.
Titanium
Use titanium backup to backup and restore all your apps. Useful when trying out new roms, although without the paid version of titanium you will spend alot of time tapping through the installation screens as it goes through your apps. Titanium won't help you recover a broken system.
SBF
Use RSDLITE 4.9 with a .SBF file to perform what many call a "sbf". This is usually used to restore a phone back to stock, or to recover from a bad/corrupted operating system. If your phone is unbootable, this is your recovery option. SBF'ing your phone is not as scary as it sounds, just download the system restore file (.sbf), connect your phone via usb to your computer, and use RSDLITE 4.9 to flash the phone.
Nand backups / Clockwork recovery
Use clockworkmod to do a full backup of your phone. Think of it as a clone of your phone. Restore your phone by booting into clockwork recovery and instead of choosing "backup", use the "restore" command. It will then allow you to select one of the backups you have made with clockwork. Pretty easy stuff here.
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Nand backups / Clockwork recovery
Use clockworkmod to do a full backup of your phone. Think of it as a clone of your phone. Restore your phone by booting into clockwork recovery and instead of choosing "backup", use the "restore" command. It will then allow you to select one of the backups you have made with clockwork. Pretty easy stuff here.
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Thank you, this is exactly what I was after. My only problem remains that I do not see any guides on how to go about downloading/installing/operating this program. I'll keep searching now that I know more about what I'm searching for. Thanks!
Search the market for "rom manager", it's free. Load it and tap "flash clockworkmod recovery".
You can use this app to reboot into recovery or by holding down the home and volume down buttons while pushing the power on button.
You can also download the DX bootstrapper from koushik's site, just google "koush bootstrap". Also free.
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Woah there buddy.
I'm going to clarify this process a bit for you before you mess something up, if you don't mind.
Root your phone.
The simplest method is to search for Z4Root here in the forums...it's a .apk that roots your phone for you.
Now...
I assume you want a sweeeeeeeet rom, ya?
We can do that...
MY personal recommendation would be this...
Make sure you have at least 2-3 gigs free on your SD...it won't need to STAY that way...but during this process, it will.
Open your contacts.
Click the options button.
Backup your contacts to your SD card.
Now download Titanium from the market...
The free version works fine for 99% of what you need.
The only problem is (as mentioned) you have to manually click the "install" button for all 500098098098 of your apps when you restore...as opposed to just one button and letting it work for a few minutes.
Open Titanium and backup all of your apps+data.
Do you want Liberty 2.0? I personally use it and LOOOOOOVE it...but you currently have to pay $5.99 for it...a free version should be released soon.
If you do...just download liberty toolbox donate from the market.
It will install the rom for you! The option is under the "Rom Manager" part...
Make sure you select both options when installing....The "Backup" and "clear data" ones.
If you don't want liberty...read below...if you've chosen to pay the $5.99...skip down to the ****** below.
Download either DX bootstrap or Rom Manager.
Rom manager actually installs Clockwork...where bootstrap is simply a method of booting into clockwork via an application.
Either work fine.
Find the ROM you'd like to install and download the .zip
Put the zip on the root of your SD card.
Boot into clockwork.
(With DX bootstrap you click "bootstrap" and when it finishes click "reboot recovery")
Backup. (Camera button selects options, volume moves up and down, and power moves back a page)
Now Wipe Data/Factory Reset
Now...Wipe Data/Factory Reset
And again.
And again.
I usually do that 3-4 times just for extra security.
Now install zip from SD card.
Pick the "Choose Zip from SD card" option.
Find your rom's .zip
Click Reboot.
******
CONGRATULATIONS!
You're running a custom ROM!
Now...if you're contacts don't automatically start restoring...
You can choose the backup that you made from the options menu in your contacts.
Now...restore all apps+data with Titanium.
And you're back to where you were before the rom.
All your contacts...all your apps...
You may need to go back into your settings menu and change those back to your exact specifications.
Now...
If you don't like your rom...
You can boot into recovery again...
And restore to where you were previously with one click.
At this point after deciding I like the rom (I don't keep much free space on my SD)
I usually move my nandroid backup from before the rom to my computer...and delete it from my SD card...and then do another backup of my current (rom'd) setup.
I keep a copy of the titanium backup on my PC as well...and delete it from my SD card...there is no reason to waste a gig of space that can easily be transferred back when needed.
My recommendation is to always have you're most recent nandroid backup on your SD card and a copy of your last few on your computer.
You can rename the backup folders for organization...but don't use any spaces or special characters.
If you're REALLY hurting for space...
You can delete the nandroid backup safely if you have a microSD reader on your computer...in the case that your phone doesn't work and need to transfer the backup back onto your SD card.
Happy modding!
Thanks for the info, all of which answered my question just right. I've been using Gingerbread rooted & deoxed since Friday and it is quite nice. The improved battery life is phenomenal!
I want to STRONGLY recommend that everyone who is new/does not know what they are doing actually go through the process of flashing the rom. I was inexperienced once and I hard bricked it (unfixable). No one needs to go through that and anyway that's what keeps our bootloaders locked.
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT STEPS
If you do not wipe data/cache/dalvik cache/battery stats, you will bootloop. Repeatedly wiping is not at all necessary but its good for ocd.
If you do not mount system and data, your phone WILL NOT BOOT and you will have to sbf.
SBF'ing is not difficult but a pain in the ass. First of all you do not need version 4.9. I used 4.7 three days ago to flash the most recent system version. Make sure that you have the file for your bootloader version or again your phone WILL NOT BOOT.
That being said, I have found that all problems are almost always careless mistakes or at least mine have been
You will find that as long as you're careful and follow all instructions, you'll never have any problems
Ok. Great info. I have been reading through the stickies n then came across this.
I am currently running darkslide 4.2 with blur. Flashed using clockwork mod on DX rooted with z4. I know that's alot of acronyms but yall understand. I used the bootstrap to get to clockwork and load everything using astro file manager.
Here is the question.
Do I have to wipe my cache in clockwork or can I leave it? So far I have left it n its running fine but doesn't seem any faster and my battery runs down in about a day.
I also use Titanium to back up my stuff but do I ha e to back up everything manually or is the free version one touch good enough? I noticed there are alot of things not backed up in to do list. I will happily get the donate version if its recommended.
Thank you all for your time and effort to answer our beginner questions.
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Glad to see you are making progress, jperro. It never hurts (in my experience) to wipe the cache.
The paid version of Titanium backup lets you perform batch operations without interacting with every single install screen. There are other features that make it good, but thats the main one that saves you time/frustration.
I only back up a few system apps/data like Contacts Storage and Wifi Hotspots Storage. If I'm restoring my phone, chances are I'm either trying a new rom and I don't really want to muck it up with any old data - so I don't back up all the system apps/data that Titanium Backup shows as "not backed up". Besides, I've got nand backups in case I'm flashing back to a previous setup, so restoring system data or apps via Titanium seems redundant.
Ahhh. Ok. Thanks jeftep for the info. Very useful and informative.
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I have a T-Mo G2 and want to keep my Froyo image to reinstall later if I cannot get theGingerbread to work right. I want to make an image file that will restore the phone to exactly how it is now. I have tried all kinds of stuff, but am not able to make the "img" file so that I ca do a restore when booting...
Can someone point me to what I need to install to do this, and if possible some directions on what/how to create the "img" or restore file ?
I would be most appreciative, as I had to reverse everything from the OTA of Gingerbread, since too many apps didn't work, ESPECIALLY the GPS!
My current Froyo is a temp-root system.
Thank you all!
Aloha. .
I would do full root via the wiki, and then install 4EXT (the full one that's like $2) - it will keep your old stuff straight
Ditto on previous reply
Root your G2
Backup all your apps with using Titanium backup
Get Clockwork mod ROM manger or 4ext ( I prefer 4ext) and backup your stock rom. You can download new ROM CM7 for first ROM.
If you don't like the ROM you can restore your stock ROM with CWM or 4ext at anytime.
I have a theory that Ti Backup or any backing up of apps is a bad plan. I know you can do it no problem, and that it is a great time saver, but I have a strong feeling that this ultimately results in an unstable phone with mysterious force closes etc.
Even though it's a real pain, I think you are always better off reinstalling your apps from scratch after changing to a new ROM and wiping caches.
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I have a theory that Ti Backup or any backing up of apps is a bad plan. I know you can do it no problem, and that it is a great time saver, but I have a strong feeling that this ultimately results in an unstable phone with mysterious force closes etc.
Even though it's a real pain, I think you are always better off reinstalling your apps from scratch after changing to a new ROM and wiping caches.
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1. I have had zero problems with TB personally.
2. Without it your app data is gone.
3. Triple wipe, takes a few extra minutes and makes a world of a difference.
4. Do not restore system data!
5. Check md5 sums BEFORE doing anything!!!!
6. Make sure you have a recent nandroid backup and you'll be fine either way.
7. triple wipe before flashing anything including nandroids. Preferably with different wipes aka factory reset, superwipe+ ext4, then recovery wipe!
Just my 2 cents, it's saved my a$$ more then a few times...
Im sure this question has been answered somewhere but i can't seem to find it. I was wondering if some one could give me detailed instructions on how to flash roms on my DROID x. Im running android 2.3.3 and system version 4.5.605. I have rom manager with cwm recovery flashed and paid for the d2bootstrap app.i also rooted with petes one click moto root. Im just having extremely difficult time figuring out how to flash roms. Id appreciate any help?
First things First.
You said you have CWM flashed.
Good.
Make sure you have 2-3 gigabytes of free space on your SD card.
Boot into that via Rom Manager and make a "nandroid backup" as you'll hear them called.
[Simply labeled Backup]
Now Select Reboot.
Open Contacts>Settings>Export To SD (or something similar).
Install This
https://market.android.com/details?id=jp.eguchi.android.bookmarkbackup&feature=search_result
And backup your browser bookmarks.
Next install this.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&hl=en
(The Pro Key makes this process...faster...but not any different.)
Open it up and Options>Batch>Backup all User Applications
Now...Find the ROM you'd like to try.
http://rootzwiki.com/forum/16-droid-x-developer-forum/
I'd Suggest Liberty 3 if you're wanting a semi-stock experience with good battery life and decent customization.
MIUI if you want a SUPER pretty experience...with superb customization.
Or
CM7 if you want Great customization + AOSP (How Android feels STOCK).
*Use RevNumbers pinned in the CyanogenMod Forum for CM7
The download you find will be a .zip.
Put this on your SD card...
And boot into CWM.
I always do a factory Reset Here.
And then...
Navigate to Install Zip From SD...
Find it...
Install it.
Congratulations!
You're now running a Custom ROM!
You can now import your contacts...
Sign into your google account and reinstall Titanium and that Browser Backup app...
And use Titanium Backup to restore your Applications (Most people Say NOT to restore Data with this, as it may cause Force Closes...however...if you do...You can always Factory Reset from CWM and Reinstall the Zip if you have problems. Data = Saves for your Games...how Facebook Remembers your Password...stuff like that.)
And that other application should restore your browser bookmarks.
If any of this process leaves you with a broken phone...
And you somehow messed up...
Or would simply like to return to where you were...
You can use CWM's "Restore" option to restore your backup...
Or if you can't boot into CWM...
You'll SBF
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/331-guide-flashing-droid-x-sbf/
Re-root...
And restore.
man i really appreciate you taking time to explan all that to me. it worked FLAWLESSY!! im finally rooted and flashing custom roms with no problems thanks to your answer. so thanks man
No problem at all man.
The hardest part of flashing your first rom is finding out how to do so.
I wish there was a simple guide out there stickied in every forum, as I know I could have used one...would have saved me a couple sbfs...and I'm sure I'm not alone on that.