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questions about roms and rooting your device

hi,
i have a 32B my touch 3g.
im planning on rooting it using this guide.
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting
have a couple of questions, do i have to delete everything off my SD card?
can this mess up my phone permanently if done wrong?
now questions about roms.
i know theirs several different ones.
i dont really care about the looks, i just want the ROM that makes your mytouch a lot quicker, ive heard its possible to make it faster.
just wondering which ROM that would be and how would i go about installing it?
i just want a clean, quick, stable rom. its not that bad right now, but a little quicker wouldnt hurt.
i also heard some roms have internet issues / bluetooth and that stuff

613BulletProof said:
hi,
i have a 32B my touch 3g.
im planning on rooting it using this guide.
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting
have a couple of questions, do i have to delete everything off my SD card?
can this mess up my phone permanently if done wrong?
now questions about roms.
i know theirs several different ones.
i dont really care about the looks, i just want the ROM that makes your mytouch a lot quicker, ive heard its possible to make it faster.
just wondering which ROM that would be and how would i go about installing it?
i just want a clean, quick, stable rom. its not that bad right now, but a little quicker wouldnt hurt.
i also heard some roms have internet issues / bluetooth and that stuff
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Looks like you and me are in the same boat. I've already rooted my MT3G and have loaded Qtecks Hero rom on it. It's nice don't get me wrong, and I feel like one of the lucky ones being that I don't have any strange issues with my phone. The only thing that drives me nuts is every task takes about a 2 second load time.
Also, I find it rather poor to release a rom and call it working and stable when people are still getting blurry screens, dropped sms, no mms, Lost GPS and so forth. To me, that doesnt sound ready.
Im really thinking about load the original cupcake and saying good riddens until something thats actually stable come out!

i don't think any of the hero developers have called their roms stable. the only stable rom right now is cyan's rom.
another method of rooting your device is the one click method. it's straight forward and easy to follow. check out theunlockr.com for more info.

tq745 said:
i don't think any of the hero developers have called their roms stable. the only stable rom right now is cyan's rom.
another method of rooting your device is the one click method. it's straight forward and easy to follow. check out theunlockr.com for more info.
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so as of right now there are no stable roms for the mytouch?

getting a mytouch, few questions. root/board/sense/2.0 related

so i'm ditching my G1 because it barely works anymore. apparently theres something wrong with the motherboard and thats why any rom i install fails after a week and makes the phone unusable (even cranogen's rom died on my phone)
anyway i'm hoping to have better luck with the mytouch and with researching lately i've seen all this stuff about the 32a and 32b
As far as rooting goes, to my understanding, i just use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556200
Then toss whatever rom i want on the SD and i'm pretty much good. That right?
From my understanding, the 32B is the T-mobile mytouch and is exactly the same as the g1. which dosn't make me too happy. But if this is true, does it have anymore space for apps or is it the same 70MB bull****?
second question. I love the hero/sense ui and i'd love to use it on the myTouch. So i know the question people hate to hear but if without having to read through hundereds of post i'd like to know which one is the most stable and has the most space for apps. By stable, i mean i can install it and use it for 2-3 months with daily use. And i have about 100Mb of apps on my G1 so i'm looking for a rom with a lot of space.
And last question, If i want to unroot and go to the official 2.0 software when it comes out (doubtful, but i may) are there any guides to go about unrooting, searched but couldn't find anything that was very clear.
Thanks in advance. now if only the phone would hurry up and get here so i can stop using my g1 that has to reboot every 3 hours.

neok44 said:
From my understanding, the 32B is the T-mobile mytouch and is exactly the same as the g1. which dosn't make me too happy. But if this is true, does it have anymore space for apps or is it the same 70MB bull****?
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The myTouch has more space for apps, over 100MB, but I don't exactly remember how much. I've had the phone for a week now and it's definitely better than the G1, performance wise.

neok44 said:
so i'm ditching my G1 because it barely works anymore. apparently theres something wrong with the motherboard and thats why any rom i install fails after a week and makes the phone unusable (even cranogen's rom died on my phone)
anyway i'm hoping to have better luck with the mytouch and with researching lately i've seen all this stuff about the 32a and 32b
As far as rooting goes, to my understanding, i just use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556200
Then toss whatever rom i want on the SD and i'm pretty much good. That right?
From my understanding, the 32B is the T-mobile mytouch and is exactly the same as the g1. which dosn't make me too happy. But if this is true, does it have anymore space for apps or is it the same 70MB bull****?
second question. I love the hero/sense ui and i'd love to use it on the myTouch. So i know the question people hate to hear but if without having to read through hundereds of post i'd like to know which one is the most stable and has the most space for apps. By stable, i mean i can install it and use it for 2-3 months with daily use. And i have about 100Mb of apps on my G1 so i'm looking for a rom with a lot of space.
And last question, If i want to unroot and go to the official 2.0 software when it comes out (doubtful, but i may) are there any guides to go about unrooting, searched but couldn't find anything that was very clear.
Thanks in advance. now if only the phone would hurry up and get here so i can stop using my g1 that has to reboot every 3 hours.
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if you are running cyanogen on your mytouch, you have about 290MB to download apps. Try running Qtek's Hero v1.8, just make sure that you have your three partitions. If you want to upgrade to Eclair (2.0) if and when it comes out, I suggest you wait until a rooted version of the ROM is released because if you just upgrade, you will be without your Superuser access and you will just have to root your phone all over again. But I have had the mytouch since it first came out and I had the G1 before then. It definitely blows the G1 out of the water in terms of performance in my opinion. Though I still use apps2sd, the extra memory was very handy before the phone was able to be rooted. I had about 100 apps on there and I still had plenty of memory left.

thanks for the replies. the 290mb is amazing. I'll probably be running one of the hero roms, and thanks for giving me a recomendation. I just love the sense UI so much.
Glad to hear about the boost in performance as well.
So i take it that the rooting process is just like i said since no one mentioned that. Really looking forward to getting this phone and finally ditching the G1

neok44 said:
thanks for the replies. the 290mb is amazing. I'll probably be running one of the hero roms, and thanks for giving me a recomendation. I just love the sense UI so much.
Glad to hear about the boost in performance as well.
So i take it that the rooting process is just like i said since no one mentioned that. Really looking forward to getting this phone and finally ditching the G1
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How to un-root a tmobile MT3G in about 4 minutes. I followed this and it worked perfectly.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/22/how-to-unroot-your-mytouch-3g/

thank you for that. got it bookmarked now. hopefully getting the phone today. can't wait to get started on it. looks like this will be a much better experience than the g1.

The Post here has a full guide of Rooting/Unrooting and links to a guide for Goldcards. There is another guide for rooting without goldcards but it doesnt show how to unroot or return everything back to stock. Hope this helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547133

Quick tip from a Magic user:
Don't update your phone (which will probably come with Cupcake 1.5 as stock) to Donut 1.6 using OTA, if it asks you to. Rooting Donut is a much lengthier process than rooting Cupcake, especially as you're wanting to run a Hero/SenseUI rom.
As you seemed to be hyped about memory, evil D:'s nano SenseUI is apparently a v lightweight version.

JackMagic said:
Quick tip from a Magic user:
Don't update your phone (which will probably come with Cupcake 1.5 as stock) to Donut 1.6 using OTA, if it asks you to. Rooting Donut is a much lengthier process than rooting Cupcake, especially as you're wanting to run a Hero/SenseUI rom.
As you seemed to be hyped about memory, evil D:'s nano SenseUI is apparently a v lightweight version.
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I got it used from craigs list so the guy had already updated it to 1.6.
And i saw your posts in the one-touch-root topic. any chance you can explain to me how to get it to work on 1.6?
and thanks for the recommendation for the hero rom.

Relentless Rooter didn't work for me, I used it to access fastboot and then flashed to an Engineering SPL.
As far as I know, an Engineering SPL will let you flash to any ROM using the fastboot > recovery > update.zip method as Engineering SPL allows you to use fastboot with the android sdk.
I'm not really qualified to explain to you 100% what to do, but I did this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576768
You would just cange the official ION rom with a senseUI rom, i think.

JackMagic said:
Relentless Rooter didn't work for me, I used it to access fastboot and then flashed to an Engineering SPL.
As far as I know, an Engineering SPL will let you flash to any ROM using the fastboot > recovery > update.zip method as Engineering SPL allows you to use fastboot with the android sdk.
I'm not really qualified to explain to you 100% what to do, but I did this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576768
You would just cange the official ION rom with a senseUI rom, i think.
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thanks for the link. hopefully everything will go fine for me.

32b Mt3g sense ui alternative?

Hey guys, sorry if this turns out to be a topic that's been brutally repeated.
I've been lurking around here for a while, i've tried many roms and from all of them, found that SuperMagic (eugene373's) was quite possibly the fastest in my case. (Thank all the devs for their contributions, you're all amazing!)
Now though i love hero roms, i wanted to see if i could get a magic rom that had senseui, much like our distant 32a cousins.
I've been reading around and the only alternative i see at the moment is by QTeknology's 32b port over. (Which right now doesn't support wifi or bt, hoping that changes)
I'm currently running 1.6 cyan 4.2.5, because i can't get over the speed problems with hero roms.
I was wondering what my fellow mt3g users are doing as an alternative for not having a release from HTC for senseui?

did you fallow the exact specs that Eugene asked people to use like the swap partition and a class 6 sdcard an ext partition on the sdcard... you will most definitely not see a sense/hero ROM that is for the mytouch 3g tmobile phone cause we got screwed with the 32b board which a insignificant amount of ram that is needed for the sense ui to run fast I liked hero_over mt3gv.2 that was what I used to use but phone got stolen so I decided to try 1.6 out and liked it enough to leave it but I fallow the hero builds closely as I plan to switch back over some day

Yup, that's my Achilles' heel, i still have the stock SD card. Yeah. the 32a board having more memory makes the 32b seem like a jib.
I'm doing the same thing, waiting for something to come close. I did try Qtek's port, as i said earlier.
Quite possibly the fastest that i've ran into. If someone can get Wifi working with it, i'll settle for that build or one like it. I hope Someone gets it working!

you can always do hero. it's basically the same thing as senseui. qtek's is one of teh best and the only thing not working is bluetooth.

You sure about that? i flashed it yesterday and wifi wasn't working. it turns on but doesn't connect.

prophetjinn said:
You sure about that? i flashed it yesterday and wifi wasn't working. it turns on but doesn't connect.
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Are you talking about his senseui port, or the actual hero? His 1.8 hero cuz that is what I am running right now. I have wifi connected right now as well.

Oh! Different rom then, hehe. Come to think of it, i haven't tried his Hero rom. Only his port.
I should give it a try. I was getting ready to give it another try and play with the apn settings to see if that was the problem.
Edit: Qteknology Hero (WWE Dump) for G2 Magic-Voda 32B v1.8 Swap <-- This one, right?
Edit again: That was it, i'll give it a try, Thanks for hte heads up, Tazz.

prophetjinn said:
Oh! Different rom then, hehe. Come to think of it, i haven't tried his Hero rom. Only his port.
I should give it a try. I was getting ready to give it another try and play with the apn settings to see if that was the problem.
Edit: Qteknology Hero (WWE Dump) for G2 Magic-Voda 32B v1.8 Swap <-- This one, right?
Edit again: That was it, i'll give it a try, Thanks for hte heads up, Tazz.
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yes. The apn's are not a problem with the wifi. you are going to have to add the apn so you can have your data with this rom, however. He doesn't have the apns set on this rom. So you should right it down if you do not know your apn settings. It'll save you some time.

I just took a look at his apn's conf on the hero rom, it's not in there, haha. I guess i'll just copy them there too. I assumed that they would be in there, but i guess they wouldn't be, this IS a vodafone rom, anyway. Thanks again for the heads up!

You can try Trojan final from Eugene, i havent tried many hero roms but im liking this one, its pretty fast and stable. I used overclockcpu and swapper in combo with it. It works like a charm. I do recommend putting the droid stock 32b over the original image as it will make it less woody and more hero.
anyone else experienced trojan final? im still waiting to hear wich one is fast, trojan or qtek . trojan does have everything working tho..

I've tried both, but on a very temporary basis. They're both pretty fast. But for some reason i still think supermagic was faster than both of them. i think it's probably because it doesn't have the default rosie. I dunno. They're both good, just not the kind of speed i'm looking for. when i pop settings or open the browser, i'd like something that's snappy.
Maybe i'm just too used to cyan mod at this point.
The only other senseui mod that was snappy was qtek's port for magic senseui. That's why i was really hoping wifi would work, but to no avail.

duskya said:
You can try Trojan final from Eugene, i havent tried many hero roms but im liking this one, its pretty fast and stable. I used overclockcpu and swapper in combo with it. It works like a charm. I do recommend putting the droid stock 32b over the original image as it will make it less woody and more hero.
anyone else experienced trojan final? im still waiting to hear wich one is fast, trojan or qtek . trojan does have everything working tho..
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he has bluetooth working, but only if you flash over the 32A radio and recovery image. If people don't know their way around fastboot, they will brick there phone.

I can't even get fastboot to work lol. I'm thinking i have a driver issue. I boot into fastboot, says "fastboot usb" i tried to change the bootscreen menu, all it says when i try to flash over the first image is "waiting for device"
So i figured i wouldn't even mess with customer radios and different board radio/recoveries.
I don't even use BT, so i dont see a need to bother changing over to 32a setup.

Can someone PM me some 32b roms? or where you get them for Mytouch.

I wonder if i use the 32b to 32a radio method eugene has, if i would be able to flash 32a roms (32a rogers sense ui magic rom).

prophetjinn said:
I wonder if i use the 32b to 32a radio method eugene has, if i would be able to flash 32a roms (32a rogers sense ui magic rom).
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That wouldn't do anything for you. The advantage of 32A is that it has more RAM. 32A ROMs would run slowly on a 32b.

If i'm not mistaken, it requires less memory to run a 32a sense ui rom than a hero rom.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

prophetjinn said:
If i'm not mistaken, it requires less memory to run a 32a sense ui rom than a hero rom.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
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even if thats true, i dont think either would run acceptably well on 32b. the mytouch came out over a year after the g1 yet tmobile didnt give it any more ram they just made it look different (and added rom but its not even worth mentioning). TMO just put the same turd in a different toilet, the mytouch just doesnt have the ram to handle any type of hero/sense ui.
Im really curious as to how much it costs tmobile to offer 192mb ram as opposed to the 288mb ram the magic has. They better have saved a hell of a lot of money.

[ROM Q] What is the latest or best (in your opinion) MIUI Rom for the EVO?

Just as the Title asks. I've looked but some threads are really old. So what do you guys think?
Also, what is THIS lock screen!? It's awesome and I love it!!!!!
Thanks in advanced guys and gals!!! Another thing i was looking for was those backgrounds with those sexy girls wearing headphones and it looks all artsy and ****. cant find the plain backgrounds anywhere....

Well the most important thing to know: a new build gets released every Friday form the Chinese team, then a English team ports it to EVO usually over the weekend for a weekend release. So every week there's a new build.
Latest _English_Port_ is 1.14 ... but 1.21 just got released today (revs are by date) BUT the Chinese team found a bug and is supposed to be releasing a patch tomorrow. The MIUI team responsible for porting the weekly builds apparently already ported the 1.21 but isn't posting it as a official build yet as they are waiting to see what the original dev team is releasing as a patch first.
I would say the current 1.14 is easily the most stable build, the new 1.21 coming out has some UI changes, so it could actually introduce bugs, but only time will tell. Honestly though MIUI has come a long long way.

I really like MIUI rom but not having multitouch on the gingerbread keyboard kills it for me. Hopefully they can get it working soon.

jxs1984 said:
I really like MIUI rom but not having multitouch on the gingerbread keyboard kills it for me. Hopefully they can get it working soon.
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This 1.7 seemed to run the best for me with the included kernel 1.14 had a lot of reboots. I loved the UI and the built in extras like the traffic monitor and the blacklist options but found it too unstable for me. I went to evervolv 2.3a15 and love it so far. Gps doesnt track as well as miui but its an apples oranges comparison. Basically if you can get a stable daily driver miui going on your evo then enjoy olit. The thread in the general section has a lot of believers for sure.

so far 1.14 has been the most stable for me, but myself and many others have been experiencing a problem where whoever we are talking to hears an echo of their voice. The devs are gonna try to work that out for the next build which should be awesome. I'd wait till the final of 1.21 is released.

_MetalHead_ said:
so far 1.14 has been the most stable for me, but myself and many others have been experiencing a problem where whoever we are talking to hears an echo of their voice. The devs are gonna try to work that out for the next build which should be awesome. I'd wait till the final of 1.21 is released.
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Okay, so after looking over MIUI and the themes and lockscreen mods I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY RREEAALLLLYY WANT IT!!!!!
But...there's just one problem...
After looking over the directions, and the HBOOT S-OFF thing, nothing seems certain. So many different sites and threads say that some this way doesn't work, this way breaks your 4G, and I can not for the life of my find out how to simply just get MIUI on my flipping Evo! To be honest, from everything I've looked up so far it looks like a ****ing death trap. No joke.
And whats up with partial English? From what I've seen things look like they're in English. How much is still in Chinese?
Is there anyone out there that can show me (or tell me) a very direct way and not an "iffy" way of flashing MIUI. I have Clockwork and I don't know how to check to see if I have S-OFF. I got my Evo 4G the day it came out, so does that mean the way I rooted it back then turned S-OFF for me?
I thought S-OFF was only for people who got the new OTAs and couldn't root their Evos.
I'm sorry but MIUI ust confused the HELL out of me and I'm so willing to take a leap of faith because I want it so bad, but bricking or messing up my Evo ust isnt worth it. Help anyone?

My whole ROM is in english. I'm using the current stable release and it's the best ROM I've used after UD.
The one thing I noticed is that my 3G speeds seem to be slower. I'm on wifi a lot so it isn't too big if a deal but still annoying.
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thelovatscout said:
Okay, so after looking over MIUI and the themes and lockscreen mods I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY RREEAALLLLYY WANT IT!!!!!
But...there's just one problem...
After looking over the directions, and the HBOOT S-OFF thing, nothing seems certain. So many different sites and threads say that some this way doesn't work, this way breaks your 4G, and I can not for the life of my find out how to simply just get MIUI on my flipping Evo! To be honest, from everything I've looked up so far it looks like a ****ing death trap. No joke.
And whats up with partial English? From what I've seen things look like they're in English. How much is still in Chinese?
Is there anyone out there that can show me (or tell me) a very direct way and not an "iffy" way of flashing MIUI. I have Clockwork and I don't know how to check to see if I have S-OFF. I got my Evo 4G the day it came out, so does that mean the way I rooted it back then turned S-OFF for me?
I thought S-OFF was only for people who got the new OTAs and couldn't root their Evos.
I'm sorry but MIUI ust confused the HELL out of me and I'm so willing to take a leap of faith because I want it so bad, but bricking or messing up my Evo ust isnt worth it. Help anyone?
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Well, if you have flashed a custom recovery(Clockwork), then I think you must have s-off. The easiest way to check your s-off status is to turn your phone off, then reboot by holding down power+volume-down. The phone will boot into the h-boot screen. At the top will be several pieces of info including your s-off or s-on status. Make sure you do not have any custom roms or other .zip files in the main directory on your sd card before you do this as the hboot will try to flash it when it detects it.
The very first post in the general forum has a lot of really good info as well. Another excellent helpful resource is the IRC channel for the Evo. The link is in the post.
S-off just means security off, by the way. You can't flash custom roms or other stuff until you have s-off.

gqstatus0685 said:
My whole ROM is in english. I'm using the current stable release and it's the best ROM I've used after UD.
The one thing I noticed is that my 3G speeds seem to be slower. I'm on wifi a lot so it isn't too big if a deal but still annoying.
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Really?! All English!!?? Can you please send me a link to the ROM you're using. I think I saw at least three different MIUI threads in the ROM section and I don't know which one to choose. Link would be amazing!
Pierceye said:
Well, if you have flashed a custom recovery(Clockwork), then I think you must have s-off. The easiest way to check your s-off status is to turn your phone off, then reboot by holding down power+volume-down. The phone will boot into the h-boot screen. At the top will be several pieces of info including your s-off or s-on status. Make sure you do not have any custom roms or other .zip files in the main directory on your sd card before you do this as the hboot will try to flash it when it detects it.
The very first post in the general forum has a lot of really good info as well. Another excellent helpful resource is the IRC channel for the Evo. The link is in the post.
S-off just means security off, by the way. You can't flash custom roms or other stuff until you have s-off.
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Wow. That cleared up quite a bit! I'm pretty sure I have a few custom ROMs in the main directory of my SD but when I flashed HBOOT it didn't automatically do/flash anything. I checked and I had S-OFF, I guess it was obvious.
So MIUIs flash ust lke any other ROM...?

comment to ur comment earlier- the most up-to-date "stable" rom is always going to be the that they have stickied.
Wow. That cleared up quite a bit! I'm pretty sure I have a few custom ROMs in the main directory of my SD but when I flashed HBOOT it didn't automatically do/flash anything. I checked and I had S-OFF, I guess it was obvious.
So MIUIs flash ust lke any other ROM...?
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yes they just flash like a normal rom. But since they do release an update almost weekly, it would be hard to do a complete wipe everytime and titatium back up everything. so miui already has a Miui Backup program in it that will make changing to the next release go smoothly without much of a hassle.

I flashed the MIUI ROM last night and my phone rebooted on its own like a handful of times when I was sleeping. I kept hearing the vibrate sound and seeing the white "HTC EVO 4G" screen like when you first turn on the phone. NOT happy!!

I had the same thing happen to me I love the rom but that's why I went back to my warm rom
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mikeDCMDVA said:
I flashed the MIUI ROM last night and my phone rebooted on its own like a handful of times when I was sleeping. I kept hearing the vibrate sound and seeing the white "HTC EVO 4G" screen like when you first turn on the phone. NOT happy!!
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Make sure in WiFi setting you have it set to never sleep while on Wifi and your reboots should go away.

elbacker said:
Make sure in WiFi setting you have it set to never sleep while on Wifi and your reboots should go away.
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Thanks! I just read that on the MIUI Forum's also, I'll give it a shot!

Im in love with all the new kingdom roms running virus 1.1 kingdom port

Virus for the win but yea miui is awsome but I just can't get away from sense

I really want to try MIUI, but without 4g, its a deal beaker, looking forward to it though.
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Several questions about the phone!

I've had the phone for 2 months now and I think it's an awesome phone. Couple of questions I have.
What is the difference between this and HTC Desire with Sense? What is sense? Does it suck that we don't have it?
I want to reset the phone to OEM factory state then OC this phone. Where do I begin? How do I do it?
What's all this talk about ROM's and all CW7 and stuff?
I don't wanna try anything that will potentially brick my phone but I do have experience with rooting phones and linux based commands. I had a Nokia N900 and did heaps of stuff with that phone so this shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Thanks for answering any questions of mine!

monkey hung said:
I've had the phone for 2 months now and I think it's an awesome phone. Couple of questions I have.
What is the difference between this and HTC Desire with Sense? What is sense? Does it suck that we don't have it?
I want to reset the phone to OEM factory state then OC this phone. Where do I begin? How do I do it?
What's all this talk about ROM's and all CW7 and stuff?
I don't wanna try anything that will potentially brick my phone but I do have experience with rooting phones and linux based commands. I had a Nokia N900 and did heaps of stuff with that phone so this shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Thanks for answering any questions of mine!
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Sense is skin that HTC put over stock android. It gives you a lots of cool features and eyecandy. If you get your phone rooted you can flash the virtuous rom which is a custom sense rom.
CM7 is widely regarded as the as the best custom rom, it doesn't offer the eye candy or the features of sense. But is stock android with some awesome tweaks and is fast and smooth and has loads of customization options
Have a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431 for walk throughs about how to root your phone, flash custom ROMs, OC you phone and loads of other cool stuff. If you have experience using linux based comands you will have no problems modifying your phone.
Bit of advice as your new to the forums, read then read again. And make sure general questions are posted in Q&A section. People get un happy when non development questions get posted in the dev section.
Welcome to the forums.
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oh whoops! Sorry about posting it here. I didn't know! Thank you for all that information you have been very helpful

monkey hung said:
oh whoops! Sorry about posting it here. I didn't know! Thank you for all that information you have been very helpful
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Sorry wasn't clear. This question was fine posted here. I was just giving a warning about posting in the dev section
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monkey hung said:
I've had the phone for 2 months now and I think it's an awesome phone. Couple of questions I have.
What is the difference between this and HTC Desire with Sense? What is sense? Does it suck that we don't have it?
I want to reset the phone to OEM factory state then OC this phone. Where do I begin? How do I do it?
What's all this talk about ROM's and all CW7 and stuff?
I don't wanna try anything that will potentially brick my phone but I do have experience with rooting phones and linux based commands. I had a Nokia N900 and did heaps of stuff with that phone so this shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Thanks for answering any questions of mine!
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rooting with gfree/rage is very easy and as long as you don't fubar the adb commands, you won't have trouble. I even screwed up the first time I did it (overlooked a typo) and ended up fine.
after you've rooted, you can certainly use the factory ROM and overclock, but be careful with which kernel you use.. they don't all work on the stock ROM. I would recommend baconbits as it's from the very trustworthy cyanogenmod team and has been used by many a DZ/G2 owner. I did stock rom/baconbits for a while before the gingerbread roms started rolling out... when an official gingerbread rom rolls out for our phones, that's what I'll be going back to (depending on how awesome Gingervillain 2.0 is )
sense is way overloaded, but that's just my opinion. check out some screenshots/videos of the different available roms to get a feeling for what they might be like before you install them on your phone.

Where can I find these screen shots and videos? Is there a certain list on this site? Or do I have to manually search it via Google and Youtube? I don't know the names of all the mods....haha

there is no better friend than google. Depending on what kind of person you are.. if you genuinely care about why stuff works.. how it works... then you must read the entire Vision Wiki from top to bottom...its got great stuff in it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision If you dont care about why or how things work just go for broke and root it and pop a rom on and play with it. Whatever floats your boat.
just look through the stickies empirical http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=801206
do not do anything to your phone without making sure you have fully read the wiki...just dont rush into anything, enjoy your time enjoy each detail because the joy is in learning why things are the way they are.
Sense and CM and Vanilla...... ford...chevy...dodge... pepsi or coke... macintosh or windows... pizza burgers or fluffernutters... whatever floats your boat. no ifs and or buts about it, land of the free and rooted

Wow, he's a virgin. Lol. Welcome to the club bro. Unlockr.com has many easy videos n directions too.
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I have a Desire Z, and therefore started with Sense and was on the stock ROM for about 2 months. Having switched to CM7, I have to say I don't miss much about Sense. Sense has some nice widgets, but nothing that can't be done with market apps, for the most part. The only thing I miss is the Sense camera. It has a really nice look and layout, and focuses on any point on the screen by touching it. Sense is a resource hog, and my phone seems faster and smoother without it.
ROMs are the operating system software for the phone. Custom ROMs are ones that are tweaked by users here, who are awesome enough to do all the hard work and share it with us. Custom ROMs add functionality, sometimes improve performance, and often strip out a lot of the "bloatware" that your carrier likes to put on the phone. CM7 is a custom ROM, and one of the more popular ones. Its based on stock Android (CM6 is Froyo and CM7 is Gingerbread) and packed with lots of extra features.
If you are comfortable with rooting, you are really most of the way to flashing a custom ROM. After you root, download ROM Manager from the Market. You can use ROM Manager to backup your current ROM, download many of the popular custom ROMs, and install them, just with a few clicks.
Why do you want to return to factory condition? You can OC without doing that. You just root and flash a new kernal, then install SetCPU or similar.
Somebody already posted the "Stickies" guides. Start reading, all you need to know is there.