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I wasn't planning on buying the Droid X but because of the unknown arrival time for the Fascinate, I picked up the X today. I am going to put it through its paces and will do the same when the Fascinate arrives. Then I'll sell the lesser of the two phones.
I am so sick and tired of the issues with the Eris that I needed to get something. At least with the Droid X, it has bluetooth voice dialing with Android 2.1 whereas the Fascinate won't have it until 2.2.
I bought the X today with only the intent of having it until I could buy the Fascinate, or for 30 days if it wasn't out yet then and I'd pay for a month of service on my old phone.
Then, I tested the GPS. Holy Christ. I've never in my life seen a GPS perform like the one in this phone. It was lightning-quick with the directions, I couldn't discern any lag whatsoever in the directions it was reading off, and it synced seemingly instantly. I did enable the quick GPS update in the settings, and I turned the GPS on before opening the car dock app, but still; it worked AMAZINGLY well. It seems like Motorola put a good, powerful GPS chip in this phone. Damn them, I may have to stick with the X long-term now, lol.
Like everything you buy, you have to give more weight to some items than others based on what is important to you. One of the things that's was driving me crazy on my stinking Eris is not having BT voice dialing. The Voice Command on the X is fantastic! I'm so impressed with this phone.
im waiting on the fascinate
I had the x for 2 days and did not like a few things.
Moto blur garbage.
Super quiet ringtones
super quiet voice navagation / hard to hear.
Blurry photo's
Slow charge and quick discharge
Moto blur garbage.. had to mention it twice.
The screen was nice and big, but after seeing the side by side with the fascinate and the Droid x.. The fascinate has 2x the quality of the screen...
sprintrjm said:
I had the x for 2 days and did not like a few things.
Moto blur garbage.
Super quiet ringtones
super quiet voice navagation / hard to hear.
Blurry photo's
Slow charge and quick discharge
Moto blur garbage.. had to mention it twice.
The screen was nice and big, but after seeing the side by side with the fascinate and the Droid x.. The fascinate has 2x the quality of the screen...
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I too have found a few things lacking,
Quality of physical buttons (and difficulty of depressing small physical buttons when stretching my thumb down that massive screen)
Uncertainty of non Motorola ROMS (I know this has been debated in great detail elsewhere)
Random software issues (screen waking on it's own, for example)
I am most likely going to return the DX and hope it doesn't take too long for the Fascinate to come out. I wanted to like this phone so much but it just doesn't feel right.
The Droid X is like a giant... Probably because I'm 5'4
I played around with both models quite a bit before settling on the Fascinate. The Fascinate has an overall better chip in it, and I've always been a fan of Samsung phones in general. The GPU is noticably better, and I can't wait till Froyo hits. Downsides were the lack of HDMI out, and the 5 MP camera. Still and all, the pics look better than the DX, and the camera is a hell of a lot more responsive.
The biggest drawbacks to the DX IMO are the lockdown on the kernel, which will hinder, or at least slow development, and the fact that it won't fit comfortably into the pocket of anyone not named Kirsty Alley.
About that 5mp shooter on the fascinate. I've owned both and its also been proven that the Samsung galaxy phones take a much better pictures.
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About that 5mp shooter on the fascinate. I've owned both and its also been proven that the Samsung galaxy phones take a much better pictures.
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Agreed. I'm a bit of a digi-photo buff, and that was a big selling point for me.
I just want some opinions! Im about to get a new phone and I am leaning towards the Incredible because I currently have the Eris and its been great. I really like HTC. But I wanted to see what you guys have to say... The price is the same for both if I upgrade.... Never really been a fan of Motorolla but seems like a viable option... Anyone got the time to answer
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I just want some opinions! Im about to get a new phone and I am leaning towards the Incredible because I currently have the Eris and its been great. I really like HTC. But I wanted to see what you guys have to say... The price is the same for both if I upgrade.... Never really been a fan of Motorolla but seems like a viable option... Anyone got the time to answer
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I've compared the two phone and for me, other than the battery life, the Incredible wins hands-down. I think the screen is WAY too big on the X to use as a nimble one-handed device. The display on the DI is much better than the X.
...Plus, ever since my StarTAC experience, Motorola can kiss my hairy donkey.
Motorola makes great phones. The inclusion of a separate gpu is awesome. That being said I would take my incredible over the Droid x any day of the week. The sense UI is much much better then motoblur, the screen is wayyyy wayyy to big. Performance wise its great, but do u really want to always be carrying a psp in ur pocket?
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youve both mentioned the same the same concerns I have.. I dont want a brick in my pocket.. I love the eris for alot of reasons but size is a big thing... I have friends with the moto droid and I cant stand having it in my hand... i was thinking i might be able to get used to it though.. have either of you rooted... and was it a hard process.... i rooted my eris and had no problems doing it but it makes me nervous getting a new phone and messing it up...
In my relatively short experience with the Android platform, I have gone (in the following order) through the following phones:
HTC Incredible
Moto Droid X
Moto Droid 2
HTC Incredible
I got the Incredible initially as a parting gift to myself for being fed up with BlackBerry. I was immediately wowed by the phone. It's speedy, takes great pictures, great call quality and I've experienced no reception issues.
Then, the release of the Droid X. The phone is huge, however the lightweight of the device offset this and didn't bother my hands once I got used to it. After my developing obsession with development and modding had fully set in, I became upset with the phone because of the heavily locked bootloader. The fact that the Verizon store I purchased it from said I'd have 2.2 in 2 weeks from the launch date (never happened and still hasn't happened) didn't help.
I was happy with the phone, however, the pictures that it took seemed overly grainy and I wasn't that impressed with the 720p quality which seemed too choppy and not as smooth as I had expected. Call quality again was excellent, however the speaker volume seemed to lack (compared to my Incredible). I was not a fan of ninjablur either.
Then the Droid 2 was released. I was on a mission to get an officially released version of 2.2. I figured that the original Droid had been a hit, and all the guts under the hood were revamped for what should seem to make an amazing phone. WRONG. Slow as hell, choppy, negligible call quality, rampant overheating which crippled your ability to use the phone etc. (if the Droid 2 performance is what people can expect when the X gets it's upgrade, I feel bad for you guys)
So now, I'm back to my Incredible that I stuffed in the drawer while going through those upgrades. I'm happier with a camera that comes with a better camera, snappier operating system, S-OFF and a plethora of customization options. The 2150 battery gives me between 2-3 days of no charge, and I'm happy with my loud speaker volume as well. Plus, after installing the 2.2 RUU that was recently released, I'm happily enjoying solid Linpack scores in the mid to high 30's, fixed bugs etc.
I say get the Incredible, I believe it to be a better phone all around. And you'll appreciate the wide range of options you have for the phone as well.
i am also trying to choose between the two. i'm leaning to the incredible because i think htc makes better phones and i love sense (a lot) but the reason i'm considering the x is the screen is so big. i think thats really great, and it has swype and an hdmi and stuff. but i feel like besides the screen being smaller on the inc, htc makes everything work much better than motorola
Used to own an incredible, had s-off on it, SkyRaider and everything, then gave it to my girlfriend and got a Droid X, i wouldnt go back
Ive attached a benchmark of my rooted Droid X running Froyo, take a look below...
Also the bootloader thing has been bypassed... we have clockworkmod recovery now and can flash custom roms, also one thing that should be known about motorola is that they make one HELL of a radio for there devices... In my house my HTC Incredible used to fluctuate between 2 and 3 bars.. mostly on two... with my Droid X its been dead nuts 100% full signal the whole time and dosent budge.. and i was using the 2.15 radio in my inc but had the same issue on the original 1.0 baseband
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Used to own an incredible, had s-off on it, SkyRaider and everything, then gave it to my girlfriend and got a Droid X, i wouldnt go back
Ive attached a benchmark of my rooted Droid X running Froyo, take a look below...
Also the bootloader thing has been bypassed... we have clockworkmod recovery now and can flash custom roms, also one thing that should be known about motorola is that they make one HELL of a radio for there devices... In my house my HTC Incredible used to fluctuate between 2 and 3 bars.. mostly on two... with my Droid X its been dead nuts 100% full signal the whole time and dosent budge.. and i was using the 2.15 radio in my inc but had the same issue on the original 1.0 baseband
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While I can say I'm impressed with the Quadrant Scores, being that there are known flaws in the system that can be tweaked to yield higher Quadrant benchmarks means (as simple as changing a numerical value in the build.props, and I'm not accusing you of such just to be clear) that it can no longer be used as a reliable benchmarking system... especially if you are not using dead stock software that has been cooked, pulled or whatever.
It is also well known that "Bars" are not reliable indications of service reception. Holding my Droid X and Incredible right now as I type; the Droid X is showing full bars at -98dbm, while the Incredible is showing 2 bars -95dbm.
Just saying that's all
My incredible used to get anywere from 85 to 98dbm in my house, my X gets 72dbm, the X will always score higher on quadrant simply because its just plain got a better processor, however slight of an advantage it may be, its still something... but the major thing is the seperate GPU that throws it worlds ahead in graphics processing.. on quadrant in the first 3d demo where you are walking through the tunnel i get consistent 28 FPS.. even while turning the corner which is where it normally drops, it dosent drop on mine
I'm not saying the incredible is a bad device, as I used to own one.. However just an fyi my droid x scored a 1200 on quadrant right out of the box it was the first app I installed, and that was running 2.1
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Joe92T said:
I'm not saying the incredible is a bad device, as I used to own one.. However just an fyi my droid x scored a 1200 on quadrant right out of the box it was the first app I installed, and that was running 2.1
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And I'm not knocking the Droid X in anyway. Both phones are incredible (yeah yeah I know its a pun) devices. Both just fill different niches in the Android community.
Which I why I love and am obsessed with Android. No one-device-fits-all environment!
Eat **** Apple.
You may also want to consider the Samsung Fascinate that is getting ready to come out. Slick UI, Hummingbird processor is extremely fast, has a seperate GPU, and a beautiful screen. I also think 4" is the perfect screen size. just my $.02
Joe92T said:
Used to own an incredible, had s-off on it, SkyRaider and everything, then gave it to my girlfriend and got a Droid X, i wouldnt go back
Ive attached a benchmark of my rooted Droid X running Froyo, take a look below...
Also the bootloader thing has been bypassed... we have clockworkmod recovery now and can flash custom roms, also one thing that should be known about motorola is that they make one HELL of a radio for there devices... In my house my HTC Incredible used to fluctuate between 2 and 3 bars.. mostly on two... with my Droid X its been dead nuts 100% full signal the whole time and dosent budge.. and i was using the 2.15 radio in my inc but had the same issue on the original 1.0 baseband
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The bootloader is still keeping you from running a custom kernel, correct?
The X has a nice GPU (My friend has one), BUT, the screen compared to an Dinc's screen is like analog vs digital. The Dinc's screen is so much more vivid, colorful and detailed than the X's. I wouldn't trade for the X.
Samsungs fascinate looks great. But if i recall from the images..its a 3Giphone look a like..Only the captivate looks sleek in my opinion and there are some serious GPS issues plaguing the Galaxy S phones right now...and lets face it..samsung hasnt been the best of companies when it comes to keeping up with upgrades..sure 2.2 is probably insight, but will they support gingerbread? hmmm. HTC/Moto on verizon's network is a win either way. They have CDMA down.
Joe92T said:
Used to own an incredible, had s-off on it, SkyRaider and everything, then gave it to my girlfriend and got a Droid X, i wouldnt go back
Ive attached a benchmark of my rooted Droid X running Froyo, take a look below...
Also the bootloader thing has been bypassed... we have clockworkmod recovery now and can flash custom roms, also one thing that should be known about motorola is that they make one HELL of a radio for there devices... In my house my HTC Incredible used to fluctuate between 2 and 3 bars.. mostly on two... with my Droid X its been dead nuts 100% full signal the whole time and dosent budge.. and i was using the 2.15 radio in my inc but had the same issue on the original 1.0 baseband
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Yeah...I'm gonna have to call bs on that...sorry.
Joe92T said:
Used to own an incredible, had s-off on it, SkyRaider and everything, then gave it to my girlfriend and got a Droid X, i wouldnt go back
Ive attached a benchmark of my rooted Droid X running Froyo, take a look below...
Also the bootloader thing has been bypassed... we have clockworkmod recovery now and can flash custom roms, also one thing that should be known about motorola is that they make one HELL of a radio for there devices... In my house my HTC Incredible used to fluctuate between 2 and 3 bars.. mostly on two... with my Droid X its been dead nuts 100% full signal the whole time and dosent budge.. and i was using the 2.15 radio in my inc but had the same issue on the original 1.0 baseband
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Gonna call BS on that unless you uninstall Quadrant, make a video of you installing Quadrant from the market, running it, and getting that score.
Joe92T said:
I'm not saying the incredible is a bad device, as I used to own one.. However just an fyi my droid x scored a 1200 on quadrant right out of the box it was the first app I installed, and that was running 2.1
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Let me get this straight. So you're saying that the Droid X is a better phone because it scores higher on a benchmarking application? That is your only justification for switching?
I really appreciate all the feedback. But I think Im leaning incredible. I just cant help but like HTC's product....
I'm hoping to get some help in making this decision by asking the expert community here at xda. I have a Fascinate now & while it's been fine in most aspects it seems to have connectivity issues with the stock email app. I live & work in a rural area & need this to work reliably. I'm coming from a Droid Eris that had no problem in this area. My 30 days isn't up yet so I can switch to something else if that will solve my problem. All Big Red has done so far is push new prls to the phone. Is the X better with 3g signal reception?
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Keep the fascinating ate. When its all said and done it will get much more attention from the dev community
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I had an X and have a Fascinate and i am considering going back. It is weird.
I like the feel of the fascinate in my hand better. Both devices had/have lag issues but the X seems to be not as bad as the fascinate on lag. I am not sure what I want to do. The Incredible seems to be the least laggy of the 3. I might hang on to the fascinate in hopes of cyanogen coming.
I am torn.
I appreciate the input. How have you found the signal strength of each? For me, it has to come down to day-to-day functionality first and I need to have the best possible connection for data.
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I think the X may be slightly better on reception.
Droid x is a solid phone, but depending on what you want to be able to do with your phone is what you should look at.
Ie, modding custom roms - Fascinate
Solid feel -Droid x
Locked boot loader- droid x
E fuze- droid x
Can you tell that im a little preferential ?
But seriously, the droid x is solid phone if you have no interest in running custom roms.
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I had an X and have a Fascinate and i am considering going back. It is weird.
I like the feel of the fascinate in my hand better. Both devices had/have lag issues but the X seems to be not as bad as the fascinate on lag. I am not sure what I want to do. The Incredible seems to be the least laggy of the 3. I might hang on to the fascinate in hopes of cyanogen coming.
I am torn.
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that about answers my question before even being asked
id go with fascinate
X vs Fascinate
I work in an office where everyone was on Berries or various iOS devices and have slowly been making converts of them all. Most of the guys here carry either Xs or Galaxy S variants for the different networks.
I have a Fascinate and honestly the biggest difference I have found between the two is peripheral support. Moto seems to do a much better job of getting "extra" hardware out and known.
Software wise it is WAY easier to work in and on the fascinate because there is no fear of tripping that fuze or fuse or whatever it is officially called. As far as performance goes, none of us really see much difference although the S seem to have brighter\crisper screens in a wider range of tests.
I've owned both phones, and I prefer the Fascinate. I like it better because it feels better in my hand, and in the end, I think it's going to be a lot more customizable.
Thanks for all the advice. Has anyone noticed any other issues with the Fascinate? How's call quality been? Battery life? Display? Camera? All these areas have threads in the X forums as well & what I'm seeing so far is alot more ex-X owners here than ex-Fascinate owners there. I guess that should tell me something.
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Well, to be fair, the Droid X has also been out longer than the Fascinate so it follows that there are fewer ex-Fascinate owners.
Another tricky thing to consider--the Droid X is going to be EOL'd (end of life) in March of 2011 according to an internal Verizon document leaked via droid-life. Presumably, Motorola will be releasing a refresh or replacement model around that time. However, Moto released updates for the original Droid well after Verizon stopped selling it, whereas Samsung is infamous for halting software support altogether once carrier(s) EOL a device. Whether or not they'll do that with their high-profile Galaxy S line at the cost of their own credibility/brand equity in the global smartphone market remains to be seen.
The consensus in the market is that the X has superior voice call quality and a more accurate GPS. If either of those factors is decisive for you, you might want to just go with the X. Also, its LCD screen displays text more crisply than the SGS' S-AMOLED screens (out of the box anyway), although the still underway Project Voodoo is aiming to help remedy this, but it's not available yet and there's no guarantee that they'll be able to make it superior, just less fuzzy than it currently is. Having said that, if you can live with the text resolution, the display on the SGS devices is truly impressive for image/video and also useable outside in sunlight! Oh and Galaxy S devices are compatible with more codecs and, despite lacking an HDMI outlet and Moto's fancy noise cancellation for phone calls, have a dedicated audio chip that makes for exceptional sound quality for music.
Samsung has promised to get Froyo and other fixes for the Fascinate out by the end of the month. A comprehensive GPS overhaul doesn't appear likely anytime soon, but the form factor is still dreamy and the fact that the bootloader is unlocked means many of the device's shortcomings may find custom ROM solutions more easily than the X.
Essentially, you'll have to decide what your priorities are and trust your own judgment. Good luck!
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I just got my Fascinate this past Sunday and these are some of the things I noticed:
- My GPS works really well in my opinion. Once in a while, it might take like 30 seconds to lock, but the GPS I was using before took just as long, if not longer (although granted, it wasn't a top of the line GPS). In any case, I really don't find any issues with the GPS.
- I don't like where they put the lock/unlock button. I keep accidentally pressing the volume rocker on the other side of the phone. Does anyone else find this annoying?
- I have noticed that reception always seems rather low. Now, I generally don't care much about how many bars of reception are displayed, but when using Google Voice to send text messages, I often get the error "Message could not be sent" and then I'd have to try again and it'd work (and I may end up sending the message twice by accident). This happens many, many times in a day, even when I appear to have good reception or am outside, etc. Does this happen to anyone else?
Anyway, after doing a lot of research between the Fascinate and the Droid X, I agree with the other person that the Fascinate is the best choice if you want to do a lot of customizing, and if you trust in the community, the Fascinate's future has more potential. I think my biggest concern for the Fascinate is the reception, which is the main thing that makes me wonder about switching to the Droid X. Other than Google Voice constantly not being able to send a message, I don't have any major issues with reception (i.e. no dropped calls in unusual places or anything else I can remember). If you don't care too much for customization and control, I'd say go with the Droid X. It is definitely a solid phone, right out of the box.
Other things about the Droid X that may factor into your decision:
- Reported to have a low speaker/ringtone
- Has an LED notification light
- Official Froyo release
I just played with both at a local wireless store. For some reason, the droid x has a lot better reception/signal. It had 5 bars, while the fascinate only had 3. Also, I ran that Speed Test App to see how fast Verizon's 3g was in my town, and the droid x got around 600, while the fascinate only got around 350. Strange. If I had to pick, I would get the droid x simple because: bigger screen, 8gb internal storage, and better signal.
"You are holding it wrong."
I had the Droid X from launch and I have them both sitting here as I type this. One of them has to be shipped back. The Droid X was meant to replace the Fascinate that replaced the Droid X.... lol ... Since the Droid X launch
Droid X (important to add I have a 32GB sd) Rebooting issues
Evo Solid Phone only drawback was space, and that was not serious.
Droid X long fight to get VZW to send me battery, back chargers ( 2 FCC complaints resulted)
Vibrant (2x on $99 dollar day) The best of them all in my opinion. Lol I still have the Avatar movie in hopes of getting past the drm on it. 16gb + 32gb. Only problem T-Mobile Customer service! Sales in English / Customer Support I don't understand English! (FCC to get refund and cancel service)
Droid X minor issues once I recieved a new one
Fascinate 1st brick, 2nd strange shut offs could be setcpu issue in hindsight.
Droid X Froyo update, working well, but (see below)
Fascinate (currently using)
As you can tell I've had some experience on this debate. I mentioned a couple other phones because they do play into my choices.
I wanted to decide between Epic, Vibrant, Fascinate or Droid X. Customer service is a big deal to me. I work for Verizon (not wireless) and this is the first time I'm using my discount on the VZ network.
Epic very nice phone, but small rom. I did have a nice discount and 4g was nice. Very hard not to take this phone
Vibrant ... Customer service killed it
Droid X amazing hardware on this phone. I can even live with the screen not being Super Amoled, but the software is terrible!
locked bootloader
No DLNA support to stream to device. Moov Atom different than most DLNA devices so Mezzmo who would create a profile is useless! Bootloader prevents cifs so not possible to mount drives (or I never found a solution). Only real option is Androstream in my opinion.
The Droid X does shine when it comes to syncing. Moto's Link tool is very nice to be free. I had no problem finding something that worked out of the box.
Fascinate small rom, but codec support is amazing! 5.1 audio. I want the option to listen to music and or watch tv shows on the go like I did with my iPhone through AirVideo. Cifs manager I can mount shares and watch anything! If I needed to I can use Twonky, Tversity, Playon and Mezzemo (they have a profile and it works well). I couldnt send a simple 5 second movie on the DX through mms, just would get an error. Fascinate converts and sends. Once this phone gets flash, native Playon support it will be perfect.
My real complaint is the fact this Version does not have the Kies option in the sync settings for Samsungs sync software. Media Monkey is the best option I've found.
The media hub now works (something happened in last couple days). Able to use my iPhone armband to workout with it as well as my
http://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Research-ARWH1-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B00195HS28
I just read that HTC is going to start locking down their phones, so I might stay with Samsung a while.
I put alot of thought into this decision and if not for my just getting an iPad I would have more to say about the media issues.
It's been mentioned before. You want a solid multimedia phone for the average user. Droid X is the way to go.
Honestly buy the Fascinate it comes with a Droid X free! Buy one get one of the same or equal value promotion will always trump the Droid X on its own, I have two this way! You would laugh if you knew how many screen protectors I went through in the last couple of months. Not that I'm hearing the Samsung Tab might be 399 with 2yr or 500-600 instead of the 1k first rumored, I believe that is where my next gadgit fix will go. Google Voice + Whistler = free phone anyway on my iPad, so its going to be interesting what options I have with the Tab.
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I just played with both at a local wireless store. For some reason, the droid x has a lot better reception/signal. It had 5 bars, while the fascinate only had 3. Also, I ran that Speed Test App to see how fast Verizon's 3g was in my town, and the droid x got around 600, while the fascinate only got around 350. Strange. If I had to pick, I would get the droid x simple because: bigger screen, 8gb internal storage, and better signal.
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there is some talk that the DX inflates its signal strength. i have seen a couple of reviews on the web with the DX and the SF next to each other and the SF showed less bars(not only cell but WiFi as well) and the SF was faster. this was also one of the problems with the iplop's signal strength before they claimed they "fixed" it with an update. i messed around with both at the local VZN store and the SF was faster opening apps and on the web. one thing i didnt like about the DX was when swiping to the next screen it always seems to over slide then slide back to center. the SF did not do this, it had a nice smooth slide from screen to screen. as for the screen, yes, the DX is larger but i see that as a down fall. there are times i slip my cell in my pocket and the larger phone is a PITA. i dont want to have to have it in a holster all the time. one shining point of the DX is the miniHDMI out. as it sits the SF doesnt do video out via a cable. of course, i dont have HDMI on my TV so its not that big of an issue. i would have preferred tthat it had the video out like the SF should have once 2.2 comes out(at least im hoping). right now, from where im sitting the SF edges out the DX but not by much. its all in what the end user wants to do with there phone.
I now have voodoo on my Fascinate and I would not go back to the X.
Battery life is on par with the x. The screen and multimedia features se much better than the x. The camera and video quality are much much better on the fascinate. And the fascinate will be much easier to customize. I've had the DInc, X, D2, and now the fascinate. Of all three the only thing I dislike the most about the fascinate is the lack of froyo. We will have that too, soon enough. Not to mention is has the best CPU/GPU combination in the mobile market anywhere. The iPhone 4 is know as a heat gaming phone. Ell guess what, the x has the powerVR SGX 530, the iPhone 4 has the powerVR SGX 535, and last but not least the Fascinate has the POWERVR SGX 540. Not to mention the sixaxis accelerometer. Its a great phone.
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I had a droid x for about a week before i switched to the fascinate. Honestly i wanted to like the droid x but everything just felt slower on it. I had an epic before i dropped sprint for verizon and moving to the droid x felt like a step backwards. Even running the blurless roms for the droid x i still noticed little hitches all over the place where my epic had been totally smooth. To be fair though the gps and battery were better om the droid x for me, but i just felt like the entire system was slower in comparison to the galaxy s phones. I am really enjoying the fascinate so far though, gets better batery life than my epic did plus its so damn thin i've had a lot of peole comment on how nice this phone looks and i agree.
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I'm very torn on this decision. I am an OG Droid user and have loved it since day 1 but it's time to move on. I use the hardware keyboard quite a bit so switching to a touchscreen only phone is kind of scary, that's the only reason the D2 is even in play here. I know the D2 and DX have locked bootloaders though, which can somewhat limit hacking them, or at least they did the last time I checked several months back. I love hacking my phone, although I know hacking the Galaxy s phones is much harder than hacking my Droid from experience, as my girlfriend has a Vibrant.
I love her phone, it's super slick and super nice which is why I'm leaning towards the Fascinate. Can any former DX or D2 users chime in and tell me what they like better about the Fascinate? I'm concerned that since the Fascinate came out after the rest of the Galaxy S phones that its hacking userbase is smaller (its development section has signifcantly fewer posts than the others). Is Cyanogen available on the Fascinate yet? I noticed sombionix has a Fascinate and is working on development for it, which is great because I put his rom on my girlfriend's phone.
Anyway I'm on the fence and would like help one way or the other. Please post any feedback you have on any of the 3 phones I listed, and why I should pick the Fascinate over the other 2. I'm also considering waiting until the next gen phones come out, I know dual core phones are right around the corner, though I do have 2 upgrades available to me so I guess I don't technically have to wait.
The Fascinate userbase is smaller than the other GalaxyS phones, but we have tons of devs that are working actively on bringing this phone to its prime. We do have Cyangenmod, although it is a broken port at the moment. The only thing that is restricting us is the lack of avaliability of the Froyo source from Samsung.
I have used the Droid and the Droid X. Not particularly the Droid 2 though. The soft keyboard on the Fascinate and the Droid X is a less accurate and easier to mistype than a physical keyboard, obviously, but the many keyboards avaliable such as the Gingerbread keyboard, Swiftkey, and Swype will make sort keyboarding much easier and maybe even more enjoyable than on a physical one.
In terms of speed, the Droids trump the Fascinate in CPU related tasks. In games, the Fascinate dominates. In media, the Fascinate's extra avaliable codecs are extremely helpful, as I can play avi and move files no problem on the stock video player. The screen is also noticeably more beautiful on the Fascinate, although the Droid X is more than adequate. The extra screen estate on the Droid X is great however. GPS and Signal: Droid X is much better. The Fascinate GPS works, but not as well as even the OG Droid. Signal fluctuates on the Fascinate somewhat.
The Droid X, because of its bootloader, can't flash kernels and can't flash Cyangenmod roms and such. But the roms for it are still great, as well as the themes.
I can say that you can't go wrong with either devices, but if you can, just wait for a dual-core phone to come out. If not, pick from what I've said about each device.
Rockin' DJ05, Liberty Gingerbread, Clocked at 1.2ghz Voodoo
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I recently went from a D1 to a Fascinate. I considered the DX, but did not like the physical buttons (the reason I moved off the D1 was that my power button broke, and it seemed like more points of failure). I got the D1 the day it launched, first rooted it in February of 2010, and started installing custom ROMs shortly thereafter. I eventually landed on CM, and really like it. I miss CM7, but am excited by the level of work that seems to be going on right now on the Fascinate (I just loaded SFC 2.6 yesterday).
I rooted my Fascinate the night I got it. It took me about three hours (I missed a step the first time), and it is definitely more work than the D1, but once you get the hang of it (and especially once you get Red CW going) it is pretty familiar.
I personally did not consider the D2 because I found I rarely used the physical keyboard. I had been using Swype for the last couple of months on the D1 and was pretty happy with it.
I'm really happy with the screen size ... my D1 feels like a toy now it is so small in comparison.
Good luck!
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GPS and Signal: Droid X is much better. The Fascinate GPS works, but not as well as even the OG Droid. Signal fluctuates on the Fascinate somewhat.
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Since DL30 happened the GPS on my Fascinate has worked flawlessly. Instant lock every single time. A few seconds tops if I'm outside. It also regularly links right up inside my house, and from the bottom floor of my girlfriend's 2 story house! It's come a long way. It's amazing how quickly Fascinate development is flying along right now.
I wouldn't even think of a Droid. I love my fascinates feel in my hand, its light and the Devs here kick ass! I am running sc2.6 with the matted blues theme!
The fascinate rocks and not because of Samsung or verizon, but everyone here at XDA!
I just traded my D2 for a fascinate 4 or 5 days ago. It comes down to personal preference. The fascinate is a better device as far as screen size and quality, but the D2 is superior in every other way. Its nice to have the physical keyboard when your in a hurry and don't want a bunch of typos. The development is alot further too on the D2. The fascinate doesn't even officially have froyo yet. Liberty rom gives you an aosp experience, plus you get the liberty toolbox by jrummy there is 12 themes in the latest version of the toolbox that you can flash with the touch of a button.
So like I said, personal preference. I don't hate my fascinate, but I like option to be able to use the keyboard. If your gonna spend money you should wait for the thunderbolt our bionic
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At this point, I'd find it hard to justify upgrading now even to a currently-top-tier device like the Fascinate or Droid X (particularly if you do 2-year contracts) when so many substantially better new devices are literally right around the corner.
But if you really do want to upgrade now, the best way to look at it is this: the Droid X/Droid 2 are superior phones, while the Fascinate is a superior media device. Which one is "better" totally depends on your own personal needs.
I have an X and a Fascinate and the X is collecting dust. The Fascinate is just a better fit for my hands and is much lighter and fits in my pocket much better. The X boot loader is a BIG problem if you plan on hacking and Moto is constantly making updates that change the keys so any leaked sbf files are rendered useless. (sbf files are used to recovery moto phones) Moto seems to go out of their way to f with the mod community and for this reason I personally have sworn off moto products until they change their ways.
If you decide you want an X I have one for sale already rooted and running the lasted apex ROM. I can return it to stock though if you want.
I personally love my fascinate but I can't recommend it because of lack of updates, specifically to froyo. Even though I like the phone I can't continue to support the company.
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Phasze said:
I personally love my fascinate but I can't recommend it because of lack of updates, specifically to froyo. Even though I like the phone I can't continue to support the company.
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Ahhh... eb01 is just as good as an official update, and the fascinate hardware is top shelf. I was in the verizon store the other day, yeah some other phones had froyo but they were cheap looking and feeling. The droid x is ok, but still not as slick as the fascinate. Actually, the iphone is the next best as far as hardware, but i didnt say that
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Falcyn has it right, get the droid if you make lots of voice calls, the fascinate if you game/browse/plau video.
My wife has the D2 because long fingernails and capacitative screens don't mix well, but the device is solid. Reception and voice quality are better on the D2, but its much heavier and unless you're in direct sun, the screen doesn't compare to the fascinate. The wife borrows my phone at night to game on, and swype bridges the gap from the physical keyboard nicely.
Samsung blows as far as support goes, but the devs here are johnny on the spot with leaks, fixes, and roms. If I had to get a new phone today, I would go fascinate again based on gfx hardware, screen beauty, hackability, and audio playback quality. Also, if you put your phone in a pants pocket, fascinate if the way to go due to weight and form factor If I wasn't under the gun for time or lived in a 4g coverage zone, I would gladly wait on the next iteration of handsets.
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Falcyn has it right, get the droid if you make lots of voice calls, the fascinate if you game/browse/plau video.
My wife has the D2 because long fingernails and capacitative screens don't mix well, but the device is solid. Reception and voice quality are better on the D2, but its much heavier and unless you're in direct sun, the screen doesn't compare to the fascinate. The wife borrows my phone at night to game on, and swype bridges the gap from the physical keyboard nicely.
Samsung blows as far as support goes, but the devs here are johnny on the spot with leaks, fixes, and roms. If I had to get a new phone today, I would go fascinate again based on gfx hardware, screen beauty, hackability, and audio playback quality. Also, if you put your phone in a pants pocket, fascinate if the way to go due to weight and form factor If I wasn't under the gun for time or lived in a 4g coverage zone, I would gladly wait on the next iteration of handsets.
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You say this phone had good audio quality. Is this in comparison to other droids? .. This is my first android, I came from a blackberry storm 2.. And I was very disappointed in the headphone output. The blackberry had far more bass and clarity at low volumes. the fascinate seems to clip bass notes at high volume too.. So it seems as if the audio is under powered.. Any comments?
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I went to Verizon with my friend Friday since he wanted a phone and I wanted to go look at the Xoom. He ended up picking the Droid 2(Global, of course.) I noticed that calls sounded much nicer, the external speaker was louder, and it had better reception.
It also had issues. It lagged in CPU-intensive tasks, whereas my Fascinate performed considerably better. It just didn't perform as well in general use, and especially not in gaming. The odd thing is that it scored higher and outperformed the Fascinate in benchmarks. But load screens took longer, and it just wasn't as snappy. The touchscreen isn't as accurate, and Swype is harder to use because of it. And the screen looks awful in comparison. I couldn't go back to an LCD screen on a phone. And the locked bootloader sucks. I'm not sure about the DX, but I'm sure it has similar issues.
While the Droid 2 and Droid X are great phones, but I would go with the Fascinate. It has a better screen, better CPU and GPU, and I find it nicer in general. The keyboard is nice on the D2, the DXs screen is bigger and nice, the GPS, call quality, and reception are better, but overall, I find the Fascinate better than either.
So, I have a Droid X that is now about 2 years old. I run a custom ROM on it (Vortex) with the extended battery. I rarely hit under 60% each day because i don't really use my phone all that much unless I am out of town. I use a car dock with the DX so being charged on trips is also not a huge deal (and I use it as my GPS).
I guess my question is this: is the RAZR M a good follow up to a DX? I likely won't update again for 2 years, so this is always a huge decision for me. I see that they are both 4.3in screens, but that the M is actually a bit smaller, which I welcome. I find my DX to be the upper limit of size for me, so the HD/MAXX HD are out.
Anyways, any advice is welcome. Anyone else move from a DX to a Razr M?
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So, I have a Droid X that is now about 2 years old. I run a custom ROM on it (Vortex) with the extended battery. I rarely hit under 60% each day because i don't really use my phone all that much unless I am out of town. I use a car dock with the DX so being charged on trips is also not a huge deal (and I use it as my GPS).
I guess my question is this: is the RAZR M a good follow up to a DX? I likely won't update again for 2 years, so this is always a huge decision for me. I see that they are both 4.3in screens, but that the M is actually a bit smaller, which I welcome. I find my DX to be the upper limit of size for me, so the HD/MAXX HD are out.
Anyways, any advice is welcome. Anyone else move from a DX to a Razr M?
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You will miss the level of development for it. Other than that it's a great phone.
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You will miss the level of development for it. Other than that it's a great phone.
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Well, I only really ran customs on my Droid X because it ran terribly on the stock rom. The Razr M does not seem to have that issue. Though I am concerned about background hiss in headphones that I am reading about.
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Well, I only really ran customs on my Droid X because it ran terribly on the stock rom. The Razr M does not seem to have that issue. Though I am concerned about background hiss in headphones that I am reading about.
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I went from a galaxy S 3 to the M and I'm completely happy. Ya there's a million roms for the sgs 3 but you can only run one at a time (think I flashed most of the at one time or another). I'm running bhm (or whatever the initials are) rom and it's awesome, I also loaded the modified framework to hide just the navi bar so my phone is completely gesture based with gmd its cool as hell. I have a few pairs of high end iems at home I'll plug them in and listen for any hiss when I get off work. I think some people flashed beats audio and are having mixed success with it accepting the change. But for the people its worked for I think it solved their hiss issue.
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I use my klipsch in ear ones every day and my music is crisp. I'm a bit of an audiophile and this phone does just fine for me
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I use my klipsch in ear ones every day and my music is crisp. I'm a bit of an audiophile and this phone does just fine for me
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Interesting, I don't now which Klipsch set you use, but I have heard someone mention that brand in their complain about background hiss.
So you don't get any at all in quiet parts of songs? Do you mind me asking when you got your phone? I honestly don't plan on using this phone for music a lot (use an iPod Touch + FiiO amp for that), but I will for podcasts very often, and they have a lot of silence between speakers.
Thanks.
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So, I have a Droid X that is now about 2 years old.
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I had the DX, it was a good phone but I wasn't happy with it after the update. I then bought the RAZR Maxx, a very good phone. Now I have the M which I've had since launch day and its probably the best phone I've owned. I like the size, its built very well, sounds clear and loud, the battery lasts me all day with about 90 minutes of talk time but I had to stop Latitude reporting my location as that killed battery life. The screen size is a bit deceiving as the soft buttons take up a portion of the screen so it's more like the 4" screen of the D3 rather than the 4.3" screen of the DX, you'll notice the difference.
Overall, I like the size of the phone more than the full size RAZRs. Negatives, there are complaints that it isn't as good in getting and holding a signal as the RAZR or RAZR HD phones. I don't monitor the signal strength but I do notice my phone tends to be on 3G more than I remember it on my other phones. I've also seen a few complaints about static or poor sound quality from the headphone jack; I don't have this problem.
I don't play games or watch movies on my phone. These are the last phones that Motorola developed without Google and we're expecting to see some new phones soon. There's a trade show coming up at the end of February so you may want to wait and see what's going to be available soon.
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I had the DX, it was a good phone but I wasn't happy with it after the update. I then bought the RAZR Maxx, a very good phone. Now I have the M which I've had since launch day and its probably the best phone I've owned. I like the size, its built very well, sounds clear and loud, the battery lasts me all day with about 90 minutes of talk time but I had to stop Latitude reporting my location as that killed battery life. The screen size is a bit deceiving as the soft buttons take up a portion of the screen so it's more like the 4" screen of the D3 rather than the 4.3" screen of the DX, you'll notice the difference.
Overall, I like the size of the phone more than the full size RAZRs. Negatives, there are complaints that it isn't as good in getting and holding a signal as the RAZR or RAZR HD phones. I don't monitor the signal strength but I do notice my phone tends to be on 3G more than I remember it on my other phones. I've also seen a few complaints about static or poor sound quality from the headphone jack; I don't have this problem.
I don't play games or watch movies on my phone. These are the last phones that Motorola developed without Google and we're expecting to see some new phones soon. There's a trade show coming up at the end of February so you may want to wait and see what's going to be available soon.
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Can i ask you one thing: do you lose anything by disabling latitude aside from check-ins and the like? Does it limit Google Now in any way?
Thanks
You will notice a large decline in camera performance. I'm using my dad's old DX as an extra video baby monitor and I've been messing around with the camera and it's hard to believe how much better the pictures turn out compared to the M. Other than the camera the M is the best phone I've had compared to the Tbolt, Spectrum, Rezound, Bionic, and Nexus.
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You will notice a large decline in camera performance. I'm using my dad's old DX as an extra video baby monitor and I've been messing around with the camera and it's hard to believe how much better the pictures turn out compared to the M. Other than the camera the M is the best phone I've had compared to the Tbolt, Spectrum, Rezound, Bionic, and Nexus.
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Odd, I actually got the M yesterday and find the camera better, if only a tiny bit.
Anyway, thanks all, thread complete
It seems to be a mixed bag. I can't get the thing to focus worth a crap even if I use the touch to focus. Macro pictures seem to be non-existent also. I love the physical shutter button on the DX. Oh well, always have my wife's bionic to take quality pictures... Not! lol
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