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i'm really consedoring buying the legend , just wondering since the CPU is 600MHz , will it be good with intensive 3D gaming like Asphalt 5 , Raging Thunder and Deliverace ?
or should i get the Samsung Wave instead ? cause i won't buy a phone that don't game well
Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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then why do they say that the legend is only a slight upgrade from the hero in terms of tech?
it runs 3d games smooth, that is the 3d games out now and support tilt control, and that are not a lot of games.
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
simply said, if you want to go for a mobile that supports hardcore 3d games and thatw really important to you in the long term, then get the desire or nexus or iphone. Sure the Legend support and runs the current gen of games perfect. There will come a time in next couple of month when increasing spec demand on a mobile will get the Legend a step back.
But who knows, the Hero getting an upgrade to 2.1 and it performs 100% better then on 1.6 android.
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hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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The MSM7200 SoC in the Hero does have a GPU based on ATI Imageon technology. It's not a particularly capable unit, but it is there.
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Dave
jakontil said:
hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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Take a look here: qualcomm.com/news/releases/2009/02/12/qualcomm-targets-sub-150-smartphones-versatile-high-performance-chipset-sup
The new MSM7227 chipset features a 600 MHz applications processor with a floating point unit, 320 MHz application DSP, 400 MHz modem processor, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics
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Apparently it supports OpenGL 2.0 whereas the Hero's dedicated GPU only suppors OpenGL 1.0. So it should perform better, but so far there are hardly any Android apps that make use of a dedicated GPU so it's hard to actually say how big the difference is.
Jarune said:
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
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I tried these out on my Legend.
Asphalt does work and so does tilt control. You have to enable accelerometer in the game options. The game seemed incredibly fast though. But maybe that's how it's supposed to play.
Raging Thunder. No problems there. Pretty fun too.
And as you said, google earth doesn't even start up
is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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I suppose it is 3....
3D Gaming Tests
I have tested some 3d games from the market place. Some of them only in a lite version, but the graphics should be the same... ^^
There is a rating system om smoothness from 1-5
Speedx 3D
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-beepstreet-speedx-wFnn.aspx
Its product specification tells the truth. It delivers stunning 3D accelerometer controlled tunnel experience without any lags.
5
Armageddon Squadron
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-asquadron-pmqD.aspx
By stopping all tasks with my advanced task manager it runs quiet well. But not as smooth as Speedx 3D. Looks like 20 FPS. Anyway its playable and its still fun...
4
Raging Thunder 2 Lite
http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.nwtE-tEiE.u.aspx
Wow! Amazing 3d graphics! But you reckognize that HTC maybe doesn´t use the full CPU capacity of the legend as it could use. Starting a Race it lags and after some seconds it becomes much smoother, but still a bit laggy. 15-20 FPS therefore you can play it,
3.5
Speed Forge 3D Demo
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mag3dlite-speedforgedemo-qCmp.aspx
Perfect! Super smooth!
5
Magnetic Sports Soccer
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-revo-proto-tiqp.aspx
Runs very smooth with an occasional appearance of lags... Very seldom
4.5
ToonWarz - LITE
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-toonwarzlite-pqtB.aspx
Oh my godness! At first I thougt hey it runs not bad. But then the first enemies appeared and the FPS crashed totally! Unplayable³!
1
Kwaak3 - Quake 3 Arena for Android
http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/
Very nice! After change the lightning from "Lightning maps" to "vertex" and the texture quality to 50% it runs very smooth with only one enemy and quiet okay with 3 enemies...
4.5
For shortness of this post i will only name the game and put a number behind it.
Homerun battle 3D demo- 5
Wave Blazer - 4
Quake 2&1 - 2
Mystique Chapter 1 - 5
My Paper - 5
Lybyrinth - 5
Dice 3D - 5
Friday Escape Lite - 3.5
Armadillo Roll Demo - 5
Vacuum - 5
Raging Thunder 1 - 5
NO ASPHALT 5!!!!!!!!
Upcoming tests after putting money aside
Exzeus Arcade - unfortunately no lite version out there
Deliverace - Omg! trailers look amazing! Hopefully it will be quiet smooth (not available at the moment)
Light Racer 3d - But maybe you can test these games??
Super G Stunt
SpaceTracks
Welcome to Hell 3D (not available at the moment)
Crusade of Destiny (not available at the moment)
AVERAGE RATING: 4,27777
After the devs have some clues to upgrade legends performance it could be nearly 5.
i know this thread is pretty old but i would like to add Dungeon Hunter.
the only game from gameloft that seems to work nearly perfect on the legend (no display resolution problems).
so, without overclocking version 3.11 runs pretty well. some buttons are deformed thats all.
the game doesn´t run perfect, but its playable.
version 3.5.7 (HD) works, too. but the graphics are deformed and youll get errors instead of videos.
Version 3.1.1 = 4.7/5
Version 3.5.7 = 4.2/5
so from all 3d gameloft games just dungen hunter will work well ?
i havent tested all games sofar, i m not that interessted in racing games or football managers and stuff.
but from the games ive tested (assassins creed, sandstorm, nova, hero of sparta and some other i forgot) only dungeon hunter works with the right resolution, nova was basicly playable, too (for example). but playing wouldnt be fun.
Just an aside 'cos I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, the MSM7227 has the same Adreno 200 GPU that is used in the 1GHz Snapdragon phones like the Desire. Not sure about the clock speed, but I'd imagine it bears at least some relation to the main CPU clock.
Remember though that the Legend has a lot less screen to fill up so the lower fillrate is not so much of an issue, if at all. In fact, when you look at the Neocore benchmarks, the Legend holds up pretty well.
This link* shows Neocore benchmark scores for various devices and although the Legend is not tested, the MyTouch Slide has the same MSM7227 so results are comparable.
A lot of the 3D games for Android look like fairly lazy ports of older iPhone apps (Gameloft, I'm looking at you!) and may not be particularly suited to one Android GPU or another. That's Android fragmentation and an immature market though, eh?
Having said that, if 3D performance is important then something like Galaxy S would surely be the choice handset. The 1+GHz high-resolution devices will be the target devices for any serious game development so you may find that 320x480 and lower handsets are ignored to a great extent. Whether a burgeoning budget market keeps these lower-end device on developers' minds remains to be seen.
Edit to add: The only 3D game I have and play regularly is Carrom 3D (great pool/snooker game) and this is smooth enough even with all the detail turned up. A lot of other apps 'running' in the background will cause occasional lag, but then this is the price we pay for a multi-tasking environment!
* Search for "high end android gpu showdown" to get link at Android&Me (can't link as I'm a new account)
The only game (that I tried) that lags on my legend is caligo chaser
FIFA10 lags too.
the legend isnt a real lower-end device (the wildfire is xD).
if google would optimize android and htc would optimize sense the cpu and gpu would have much more power to for example to play games more fluedly.
if coders would even try to optimize theyr games for legend (and it would be very easy for gameloft for example, htc legend is comparable to the iphone 3gs and most of there games are coded for exactly that device), they would work just perfect.
the lower cpu rate and the lack of ram isnt the real problem: compare the hardware of the phones to a pc 10 years ago, the snapdragon should reach better performance than an pentium 3/1ghz cause of the architectur, the gpu is far away from the power of a geforce 2mx, but still pretty good.
based on the better architecture (n45; arm) the 600mhz msm7227 should be comparable to a 800mhz pentium 3.
this hardware has to work with a smaller screen with a fixed resolution. they could reach so much better performance, graphics etc. they are just too lazy.
(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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Yeah, but MHz to MHz rarely mean much, even in the same architecture. For example: The new Qualcomm CPU's, found in the Desire-Z (T-Mobile G2, 800MHz) outperform the 1GHz (1000MHz) CPU found in the Dersire by a long way (these are both ARM). If you look at AMD CPUs vs Intel CPUs then AMD almost always outperform Intel, even on a lower clock-speed. (Both the x86-64 architecture). MHz to MHz only has a real, measurable, bearing when applied to 2 of the same CPUs at to different clock speeds (overclocking)
Having said all that, I do agree with your post. The Legend is capable of so much more, if only people would take the time to code properly. Part of the problem is that people rely on the Dalvik VM (fairly phone-independent), so they rarely have to code on a "per-phone-model" basis. With the iPhone, as it's only ever 1 set of hardware, programmers can easily optimise it for the iPhone. It's much harder to optimise for Android, as it exists on so many phones, each with different specs. But that's the price you pay for choice...
Suprisingly the Legends GPU outperforms the Desire in 3D benchmarks. The CPU is certainly weaker in the Legend, but the comparison below is not quite far because the Legend is still on 2.1 and the desire benchmark was 2.2
Hopefully soon they can be compared like for like...
hxxp://wxw.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=HTC%20Legend&D2=HTC%20Desire%20(Bravo)&D3=Apple%20iPhone%204
THis is a good read:
hxxp://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm7x27-msm7227-msm7627-and-msm7x25-msm7225-msm7625-processors-how-good-are-they/
Hi all Is it possible to run Gameloft games such as Hero of Sparta or Assasin Creed 3d on our Magic ?
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Hi all Is it possible to run Gameloft games such as Hero of Sparta or Assasin Creed 3d on our Magic ?
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Have a read of this story over at Android And Me
Basically they're all ports of the iPhone games which are designed for PowerVXR graphics chips only present in the DROID, most are unplayable or run like crap even on Snapdragon devices.
I havent seen any vids showing gameplay performance on the Desire HD except angry birds. Has anyone found any or plan on doing one to demo some gameplay videos such as asphalt/nova/modern combat.. its just to see the difference between the smoothness of the HTC Desire (Adreno 200) and Desire HD (Adreno 205).. Im just afraid that there arent much difference between it.
And btw, have any of you guys played some 3D games on your Desire HD? How was it and how do u compare to other snapdragon phones for an example and is it better compared to other snapdragon phones?
Spill some reviews on this please
It benchmarks twice as fast as the one in the Desire, so the difference should be noticeable (unless the games you're testing aren't pushing hard enough of course).
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It benchmarks twice as fast as the one in the Desire, so the difference should be noticeable (unless the games you're testing aren't pushing hard enough of course).
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im just afraid that neocore arent a proper benchmark and adreno based games arent that smooth compared to PowerVR's.. have u tried games on the DHD? do u see significant difference?
well i can confirm that its really underpowered, ..... compared to Fermi
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im just afraid that neocore arent a proper benchmark and adreno based games arent that smooth compared to PowerVR's.. have u tried games on the DHD? do u see significant difference?
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Yes, the gaming sector is geared towards PowerVR as can be found on both the Galaxy S & i-Phone.
These games running on the SGS are absolutely fantastic and when you then hook it up to a large 42" LED TV it's unbelievable quality for a phone.
I do believe HTC missed a trick in not incorporating a TV Out on their flagship phone.
Just took a quick video of all the games for you guys, enjoy. Sorry for the shaky camera, girlfriend was holding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtWNN9TNqXU
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Just took a quick video of all the games for you guys, enjoy. Sorry for the shaky camera, girlfriend was holding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtWNN9TNqXU
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great video! all games looks smooth!
teihoata said:
Just took a quick video of all the games for you guys, enjoy. Sorry for the shaky camera, girlfriend was holding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtWNN9TNqXU
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what games are those and where did you get them??
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what games are those and where did you get them??
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All the gameloft games like nova and sandstorm you have to buy from their website http://www.gameloft.com.au/android-games/top/
as they aren't sold on the market.
All the games play very smoothly, and although the sgs has a more powerful gpu android games are seemingly more optimized for Qualcomm processors, so trust me when I say games play as smooth as butter.
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All the games play very smoothly, and although the sgs has a more powerful gpu android games are seemingly more optimized for Qualcomm processors, so trust me when I say games play as smooth as butter.
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when people will understand that all the games on the market right now are based on nexus 1 as its the phone those devs are using to develope for it ?
iwas able to run all games smooth as butter on HD2.
yes the SGS GPU is much better. but it doesnt matter. no game use it. and i am a sgs owner :/
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when people will understand that all the games on the market right now are based on nexus 1 as its the phone those devs are using to develope for it ?
iwas able to run all games smooth as butter on HD2.
yes the SGS GPU is much better. but it doesnt matter. no game use it. and i am a sgs owner :/
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Yes i know... the DHD is qualcomm based and therefore games are better optimized for it rather than for phones such as the SGS, which is what i said if you read my post carefully.
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Yes i know... the DHD is qualcomm based and therefore games are better optimized for it rather than for phones such as the SGS, which is what i said if you read my post carefully.
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im not quite sure.. u have facts there but i see that games are ported from iOS (powerVR based) to android and it would be an advantage for PowerVR based phones such as motorola's and samsung.. but that is what it is used to be, now im seeing that games are ported properly for snapdragon based thus we are seeing an increase of performance compared to previously, we cant even play NFS Shift before it is ported to snapdragon phones properly..
The rumored Sony PSP phone is a snapdragon/adreno205 based.. sweet.. hopefully more devs will focus more on adreno since the number of adreno based phones is growing..
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Yes i know... the DHD is qualcomm based and therefore games are better optimized for it rather than for phones such as the SGS, which is what i said if you read my post carefully.
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Not true.... Games such as those from Gameloft are initially made for the i-Phone and ported to Android. The i-Phone uses the same processor as the SGS (PowerVR).
As override182 says ~ It is up to developers to recompile for Adreno.
hiya i have a desire hd and xp play. i play ashpalt 6 on both of them and feel like the display, speed and performance of game on desire hd is lot better than xp play?
Its possible, I don't know the desires specs but the play is not a power house, though I find the experience enjoyable.
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Both the Xplay and the Desire HD use an Andreno 205 gpu
Both the Xplay and the Desire HD use a second generation 1ghz Snapdragon MSM8255 CPU
The only difference is the HD has 50% more ram, which, in the case of gaming, maybe the odd stuttering on the xplay
i think the desire hd has a 480x800 screen whereas the play has a 480 x 854 screen which could affect performance
zaheerjane said:
hiya i have a desire hd and xp play. i play ashpalt 6 on both of them and feel like the display, speed and performance of game on desire hd is lot better than xp play?
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How exactly is it worse on the play? I dont have a hd to compare but the game runs flawlessly on my play, the only place it seems a little slow is the menu screens but the actual game is fine
I get major slowdowns in Asphalt on the PLAY.
In fact all Gameloft games are quite bad. Backstab (which I just completed), and even Everybodys Gold stutters.
They should have gave the PLAY more power.
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I get major slowdowns in Asphalt on the PLAY.
In fact all Gameloft games are quite bad. Backstab (which I just completed), and even Everybodys Gold stutters.
They should have gave the PLAY more power.
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Chainfire 3d is the single most useful thing you can install to stop the stuttering.
It is a mediator between the app and the open gl drivers.
It actually works pretty darn good.
Chain fire huh? Gonna try that tonight!
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Both the Xplay and the Desire HD use an Andreno 205 gpu
Both the Xplay and the Desire HD use a second generation 1ghz Snapdragon MSM8255 CPU
The only difference is the HD has 50% more ram, which, in the case of gaming, maybe the odd stuttering on the xplay
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the xperia play uses high speed ddr2 ram where as the desire HD doesnt, that easly makes up the shortfall, also the xperia play has better gpu drivers than the DHD
the image quality and game loading speed is really which makes me feel like desire hd is good.
i ran chainfire on both and tried 2 thd games fruit ninja , and on xp play loading and animation some times lag, while on desire hd its smooth.
another off topic thing any one know how to stream PC music to xperia play?
on my desire hd i do it through connected media but cant figure it out on xp play.
is ur desire running a stock rom??
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the xperia play uses high speed ddr2 ram where as the desire HD doesnt, that easly makes up the shortfall, also the xperia play has better gpu drivers than the DHD
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Cool, good to know.
To be honest I don't notice any major slowdown on the play on any game. In fact when I first tried out the games my first thought was how well they all ran. I found the menu screen to be a tad laggy (button press isn't immediate), but the actual gameplay is just fine.
That is until Asphalt decided to **** the bed...I'm thinking it was my reinstall/update.
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Cool, good to know.
To be honest I don't notice any major slowdown on the play on any game. In fact when I first tried out the games my first thought was how well they all ran. I found the menu screen to be a tad laggy (button press isn't immediate), but the actual gameplay is just fine.
That is until Asphalt decided to **** the bed...I'm thinking it was my reinstall/update.
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Edit: Waaaait, it started randomly working again today!
Edit 2: Damn qoute button. I'm used to edit being there. And no way to delete posts???? Gaaaaaaah!
zaheerjane said:
the image quality and game loading speed is really which makes me feel like desire hd is good.
i ran chainfire on both and tried 2 thd games fruit ninja , and on xp play loading and animation some times lag, while on desire hd its smooth.
another off topic thing any one know how to stream PC music to xperia play?
on my desire hd i do it through connected media but cant figure it out on xp play.
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I doubt the Chainfire 3d open gl settings would make much difference to fruit ninja a 2d game.
Could be wrong though.
dsswoosh said:
I doubt the Chainfire 3d open gl settings would make much difference to fruit ninja a 2d game.
Could be wrong though.
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sorry i am talking about the Fruit ninja THD with chainfire plugin.
Scorbion said:
is ur desire running a stock rom??
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nope , its running Leedroid OC at 1.8Ghz
zaheerjane said:
nope , its running Leedroid OC at 1.8Ghz
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So, you're telling us that the Play works worse than the Desire HD, and as test devices we get stock Xperia Play (1 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, unoptimized code) against a Desire HD with 80% more clock speed than stock, more RAM (albeit with a lower bus speed) and a much more refined code than stock. Is that a meaningful comparison?
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So, you're telling us that the Play works worse than the Desire HD, and as test devices we get stock Xperia Play (1 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, unoptimized code) against a Desire HD with 80% more clock speed than stock, more RAM (albeit with a lower bus speed) and a much more refined code than stock. Is that a meaningful comparison?
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yeah sorry i realized this thing after some 1 asked about stock rom. still the reason i asked the question is coz like every 1 else i bought this phone for gaming , and atleast it should run the games smooth and better than other devices.
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another off topic thing any one know how to stream PC music to xperia play?
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if you device is rooted, install the cifs module from dev section, use cifsmanager to mount share on your pc to your sdcard and stream video,music and photos from any app and make the phone think its all stored on your sdcard
Red_Kop said:
I get major slowdowns in Asphalt on the PLAY.
In fact all Gameloft games are quite bad. Backstab (which I just completed), and even Everybodys Gold stutters.
They should have gave the PLAY more power.
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I'd say Let's Golf stutters due to poor programming, not because it taxes the Xperia Play. It stutters when and only when the computer is playing.
Hi,
I wanted to ask if someone was able to run the game smoothly on hd2 cartoon wars. Maybe someone knows how to do it? I've tried a few roms also with HWA and nothing. Chainfire 3d program did not help too.
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
Marek989 said:
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
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And how has the desire hd graphics processor? on this hardware the cartoon wars runs smoothly.
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And how has the desire hd graphics processor? on this hardware the cartoon wars runs smoothly.
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I accidentally clicked thanks. Anyway, the Desire HD have Adreno 205, which have a lot more power
Hello. I have played many games on my hd2 and what i can say that modern combat series works well (even the third one), asphalt series is playble inc 7 heat but i dont like stering. You can play older gameloft games such as avatar, brothers in arms. Nova 2 and 3 are totaly unplayble. The greatets thing about adreno in our hd'2 is that you can run shadowgun and dead trigger (those two has a console graphics and they running very well). So im not totaly agreed with opinions that adreno 200 in hd2 is too weak to play games.
I play gameloft games too, they run well, yes, but not as fast. We need tweaks etc. for those games playing smooth. And, the Adreno 205 DONT need any tweaks. The Adreno 200 is Just too old, trust me.
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I play gameloft games too, they run well, yes, but not as fast. We need tweaks etc. for those games playing smooth. And, the Adreno 205 DONT need any tweaks. The Adreno 200 is Just too old, trust me.
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and how can we tweak it? (not with buying a new phone haha xD)
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and how can we tweak it? (not with buying a new phone haha xD)
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Unless you know what you're doing, you'll need to use chainfire to lower textures. It'll run good enough but not well.
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Marek989 said:
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
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You're wrong.
Our HD2 is just too old for playing current games. Sorry. Other devices that run Adreno 200 have lower resolution (eg. 240x320 instead of 480x800). That's why it is so weak now. Maybe we will have next reovlution in HD2 development, but I don't think so. Other devices with native Android got faster by some tweaks, we had to get everything prepaired for our devices first (with base drivers too).
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Our HD2 is just too old for playing current games. Sorry. Other devices that run Adreno 200 have lower resolution (eg. 240x320 instead of 480x800). That's why it is so weak now. Maybe we will have next reovlution in HD2 development, but I don't think so. Other devices with native Android got faster by some tweaks, we had to get everything prepaired for our devices first (with base drivers too).
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I have also played a few gameloft games including NOVA 2 which was not ideal 'cause of lagging a little but still playable. I even could start NOVA 3 but playing that was like pain in the ass. I didn't have problems with Mass Effect Infiltrator, and other games mentioned above. the only thing I still can't handle with is Dungeon Hunter 2. I wish I could play that. BTW pozdrowienia dla ziomków