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after doing the 8 thingy, i get north... but when i change orientation, the earth's north pole shifted LOL
i don't get what you mean with the earth's north pole shifted, but yes, mine works pretty good
try gyrator2 and rotate to 180 degrees
north and south will switch places then
that was a joke in a bad way ! what i meant was my North will not be at the right position accurately... it is off each time i switch my phone..
well if you have a case with a magnetic closure like I do, that will give you this effect...
whats that? is there any way to reset the compass or upgrade the software or something...
it is no where near accurate...
for example north is being shown to my right... i change the orientation of my phone by 90 degrees.. now north becomes my front / front right.. but never right again..
no one knows how?
It's crap in comparison to those on other devices. For example, my friend has a Nokia N900 and when he was around my house a few weeks back he had his maps application running in my front room and it was turning smoothly and instantaneously in real time depending where he pointed it. I couldn't even get the HD2 compass to get past the 'figure of 8' request without going outside the house, it simply doesn't work indoors.
It's not very good in my opinion.
ITT: People learn about "magnetic interference".
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It's crap in comparison to those on other devices. For example, my friend has a Nokia N900 and when he was around my house a few weeks back he had his maps application running in my front room and it was turning smoothly and instantaneously in real time depending where he pointed it. I couldn't even get the HD2 compass to get past the 'figure of 8' request without going outside the house, it simply doesn't work indoors.
It's not very good in my opinion.
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Maybe you don't know what a figure-8 pattern is.
Mine always works inside, actually never even tried it inside.
Plus, there is an app available that will give the exact same possibility with nav software.
Come on guys,get real...the compass "feature" is purely a typical iphone app and thats all it'll ever be...if you need serious accuracy you'ld be map relying on any electronic compass thats small and affordable enough to hold in your hand. If you need accuracy get a real compass and make sure its calibrated and nowhere near a magnetic field...
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Come on guys,get real...the compass "feature" is purely a typical iphone app and thats all it'll ever be...
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True, but it is fairly useful for remembering where I parked the car while at the mall
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Come on guys,get real...the compass "feature" is purely a typical iphone app and thats all it'll ever be...if you need serious accuracy you'ld be map relying on any electronic compass thats small and affordable enough to hold in your hand. If you need accuracy get a real compass and make sure its calibrated and nowhere near a magnetic field...
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The compass hardware can be used for a lot more useful stuff.. Like a more accurate 'direction' in navigation programs.
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Maybe you don't know what a figure-8 pattern is.
Mine always works inside, actually never even tried it inside.
Plus, there is an app available that will give the exact same possibility with nav software.
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Very droll. Maybe you live in an empty house.
My point was that, unlike the N900, it wouldn't work in my living room.
I compared the HD2 compass directly to the app on an iPhone 3GS. The 3GS app was way more responsive, but both showed the EXACT same directions and were diverted the same way by magnetic interference.
The only problem I see is, that the app is quite slow, but other than that its not worse.
I compared it with the iPhone 3GS as well, and found both to have approximately the same accuracy and the same responsiveness.
Also both are heavily influenced by computers and other magnetic objects. Best results are obtained when outside without any electronic or metal objects around
If you guys want to combine the compass direction with gps navigation, have a look at GpsModDriver.
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both are heavily influenced by computers and other magnetic objects.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571266
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Remind me again exactly what the HD2 is,oh thats right,exactly what you need to keep the compass app away from...how you gonna manage that then?
(I've only used your post barty as it nicely sums up the problem with this sort of app...nothing personal intended before anyone tries to start the flames a burnin)
btw how does a digital compass works?
so is it true that our HD2 DC is FuBar
My digital compass also does not work other than with Google Earth! I just want it to show me my approx location and height for even in places without wireless signals. I've been doing the 8 thing all over with no success. Any solutions?
ara1 said:
My digital compass also does not work other than with Google Earth! I just want it to show me my approx location and height for even in places without wireless signals. I've been doing the 8 thing all over with no success. Any solutions?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=639828
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/poll-is-your-iphone-4-retina-display-seeing-yellow-spots/
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http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2475309&tstart=0
i hate to be a hater but damn it's kinda fun
Mine works perfectly in hand with no tinting issues. My Evo on the other hand, pretty much hit every issue like it had a grocery list and didn't want to miss anything.
So if you hold the phone in such a way that you would never naturally hold the phone, then it gets a somewhat diminished signal? How horrible.
the screen issue is bad if it is common. It doesn't appear to be universal.
nice. i'm happy you don't have to deal with two ****ty handsets in a row... that'd just be terrible.
but hopefully this news will soothe the unease some evo owners have right now. even the infallible apple runs into qc issues
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So if you hold the phone in such a way that you would never naturally hold the phone, then it gets a somewhat diminished signal? How horrible.
the screen issue is bad if it is common. It doesn't appear to be universal.
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don't quote me on this but i think it's hte other way around... plus you gotta consider what a case is going to do to that reception
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don't quote me on this but i think it's hte other way around... plus you gotta consider what a case is going to do to that reception
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How are you getting along with the smaller screen? Were you an iPhone 3GS user before the Evo?
treo 700p user before the EVO. but i relied on an ipod touch for a lot of things and no, i cna't go back to that smaller screen
Interesting. Since the sides of the iPhone 4 are the antennae, when one holds it against his body he would also be electrically conducting part of the signal, and thereby affecting that signal somehow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ixIHyEPO5g
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treo 700p user before the EVO. but i relied on an ipod touch for a lot of things and no, i cna't go back to that smaller screen
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Oops! I clicked on the wrong comment to quote. But thanks for your input as the iPod Touch is much the same.
DaytonaZ33 said:
Mine works perfectly in hand with no tinting issues. My Evo on the other hand, pretty much hit every issue like it had a grocery list and didn't want to miss anything.
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How are you getting along with the smaller screen? Were you an iPhone 3GS user before the Evo?
DaytonaZ33 said:
Mine works perfectly in hand with no tinting issues. My Evo on the other hand, pretty much hit every issue like it had a grocery list and didn't want to miss anything.
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Well give me your EVO so I can do your grocery shopping for you.
If the phone in the video is representative of a lot of iphones, then that is pretty bad.
I did a search on youtube for "iphone 4 issues" and for today only. There were a lot of post about this reception thing. seems like a lot of people are going to get this when they get their phones today.
I'm going to show the people at work that I can do a magic trick with their iPhone 4
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I did a search on youtube for "iphone 4 issues" and for today only. There were a lot of post about this reception thing. seems like a lot of people are going to get this when they get their phones today.
I'm going to show the people at work that I can do a magic trick with their iPhone 4
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Haha, "watch as I make at&t disappear"
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How could this possibly not get noticed at testing? Was everyone at the bar drinking and not using it instead?
Silly apple.
I can give a **** less.....Iphone still suck
I met my friend tonight with the new iPhone 4. I am very impressed with the quality and feel of the product. Screen is awesome. My Evo looks huge next to it. Like abnormally mutant-like large. Every phone feels tiny to me now. My friend said that it looks like I have a mini iPad.
Apple was planning to use us as an Antenna for the Iphone and give us cancer!!
All of a sudden, their developers realized they have been using the "wrong" formula to calculate signal strength, for years.... lmao
Now they are changing the code.
Sounds to me like they are covering up the problem so instead of reporting true signal, its only going to report averages, or on a timed basis... to make the users think they have signal.
Why don't they just admit a design flaw, and recall all the dumb phones...
I LOVE MY EVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Apple will be made fun of endlessly for this in the short term. It's not exactly the most classy way to handle this whole situation.
Fix the problem going forward on new phones, offer a free bumper to people who already have the phone. I bet 9/10 owners wouldn't bother taking the offer because they are lazy or don't care.
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All of a sudden, their developers realized they have been using the "wrong" formula to calculate signal strength, for years.... lmao
Now they are changing the code.
Sounds to me like they are covering up the problem so instead of reporting true signal, its only going to report averages, or on a timed basis... to make the users think they have signal.
Why don't they just admit a design flaw, and recall all the dumb phones...
I LOVE MY EVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From my understanding of it...which was, admittedly, attained from a cursory glance of slashdot comments on the article about this...they were plotting the signal strength according to a linear interpretation of the signal, as opposed to a logarithmic interpretation.
Everything about how a radio operates (Amplitude and Frequency, for the most part) is most accurately represented in logarithmic form.
So either this is a horse-**** based explanation of the actual problem that has been there the whole time--which implies they've been lying about signal for 5 years now...or they are trying pass off this clearly gigantic antenna issue as merely "an age old bug"...
...time will tell.
Haha who else saw futurama tonight making fun of iphone? Tooooo funny
lmao, shut up and take my money
Dude......dumb post.
I love my Evo.....faults and all.....but guess what?....also think the Iphone 4....faults and all....is an excellent product....as have been all Iphones before.
Have androids surpassed the Iphone? In many ways yes, ...but not all!.
But the Iphone doesnt 'suck'...by any means.
C'mon....dont need to validate our love of the Evo by denigrating the Iphone. We're big people here.
I degraded iphone when I had winmo 5 haha I had fizzweather with wigets and background apps! More than iphone can do now even
If it weren't for the iphone the surge in phone advancement wouldn't have taken place when it did. That said, Apple is the Bill Clinton of cell phone mfgs - deny, deny, deny.
Giving away the bumper would be an admission, so they'll NEVER do that.
If you believe that I got a bridge here in NY that's for sale. This is a cover up to a design flaw, when you touch both antennas in a certain way and make them one the signal drops because you de-tune both antennas.
What they'll do is hardcode the signal meter to not drop bars like it's suppose to and call it a fix. This is a very obvious design flaw not a software problem!
If it's been wrong for years how come no one had problems with any other iPhones until they designed this phone?
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If you believe that I got a bridge here in NY that's for sale. This is a cover up to a design flaw, when you touch both antennas in a certain way and make them one the signal drops because you de-tune both antennas.
What they'll do is hardcode the signal meter to not drop bars like it's suppose to and call it a fix. This is a very obvious design flaw not a software problem!
If it's been wrong for years how come no one had problems with any other iPhones until they designed this phone?
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Agreed!! Phone 4 is the first Apple phone that denies access to the dBm page..Seems suspicious!
Apple 2E computer forever!!!!
God, I miss that 5.25 drive... lmao...
This will be the iphone soon.
I dont think there is anything wrong with their signal strenght algorithm. They are just comming up with excusing for the poor antenna design.
since everyone is making a big deal out of how the iphone 4 is losing signal when held in some weird grip, i'd like to point out how the Legend loses a large portion of wifi signal when held in a normal right-handed landscape grip.
anyone else noticed/experiencing this?
I have been using the Legend for a number of weeks now in all sorts of reception areas. I can't say I have noticed any difference when holding it in different ways. And as the Legend antenna is behind rubber moulding it is unlikely to have the same issue as the iphone4
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I have been using the Legend for a number of weeks now in all sorts of reception areas. I can't say I have noticed any difference when holding it in different ways. And as the Legend antenna is behind rubber moulding it is unlikely to have the same issue as the iphone4
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hi maxonit
try switching on the wifi then covering the top of the phone with your palm (or left of the phone when using the phone in landscape mode)
now watch the signal lol
just wifi though. i dont think ive noticed anything either for cell signal
It's what happens when you cover antennas, they (gasp!) lose signal!
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It's what happens when you cover antennas, they (gasp!) lose signal!
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i know.......tell iphone4 owners the same thing next time they wanna try to use a weird grip on the phone
well.. i have noticed this problem (couple of time)
it's really annoying, like when i go in landscape mode, i lose signal..
yellowchilli said:
since everyone is making a big deal out of how the iphone 4 is losing signal when held in some weird grip, i'd like to point out how the Legend loses a large portion of wifi signal when held in a normal right-handed landscape grip.
anyone else noticed/experiencing this?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694216
http://www.informationweek.com/news...html?articleID=225900042&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
Anyone see this happen to there phone?
Holy crap it's true, but you have to hold it in such an awkward way that I doubt I will be able to reproduce it in real life use.
I guess The Jobs wasn't lying about other phones having the issue.
I heard about this Via T-MoNews... I have tried to emulate it and I will say this:
It is true. When I held the phone "Death Grip" Style.. I lost 'bars'. But 'bars' mesning the physical representation of bars on the screen. I did not lose and data speed, and i did not check to see if voice was affected, but i have been talking on the phone all day with no problem. I also tried this in my basement where i have poor 3g reception.
I think that this is an issue on the grounds of the physical representation of 'bars' on the phone may not be calibrated properly, but if anything, a fix would make the phone appear to have MORE service, and not less, like the iPhone.
Yep, tested a few times. It's true, but it's entirely a different issue from the iPhone4's troubles.
Basically the full antenna hump has to by lying flush against the palm of your hand and it has to be held down against the palm with quite a bit of force, basically an airtight seal. I don't ever see me holding the phone in this fashion, for any reason other than to test this.
I don't think anyone ever denied that every phone in existence has some signal drop when held in a particular way. My Vibrant goes from 4 bars to 3 when held deliberately attempting to cover the entire antenna bump, but I am inside an office building that causes AT&T to go from 1-2 bars to zero when not holding the phone at all.
I attempted the two handed airtight seal method and couldn't get more than 1 bar to drop.
I can see it now "Every phone is going to get this death grip test." Is death grip considered has holding it normally or covering everything? As far as I know, iPhone had a problem when you normally hold your phone with your left hand. I went outside and did the same thing since I don't get a strong reception in my house and it was fine. Now, if I hold the bottom of the phone, then bars drop, but that should be expected.
Another thing to mention here. In that link posted by the OP, the editor had no trouble with calls and etc on the iPhone 4 while the Apple's co-founder had a different experience according to an article posted by Techcrunch.
Yes, this is for all cellphones...for a tp2 if I hold it by pinching the top right corner....I loose 3 bars...but it is not realistic to hold it that way..
On the iphone they had the antenna swirled around the phone...thus it end up in the bottom left corner which you normally would hold...
That article is trying to cover for the iphone's design flaw in general..on the Vibrant and captivate you wouldn't generally hold the phone that way for it to matter...
Drop in bars, but no dropped calls. That is a massive distinction that the source article fails to mention. Vibrant FTW
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That article is trying to cover for the iphone's design flaw in general..on the Vibrant and captivate you wouldn't generally hold the phone that way for it to matter...
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That's the key issue - it's a non-issue for most phones during "normal use". You have to actually try to cover the exact area, which is not a normal holding position most of the time. That's not the case for the 4G, I've seen it happen when holding the phone as I normally would with my left hand.
I'm not trying to bash the iPhone because I do like the design overall, but the article seems to leave out some key distinctions that make the iPhone issue different.
That article is so incredibly poor. ^ hit on it exactly. These are NOT the same issues.
Let the thread die.. i do not like seeing iGadget comparisons on XDA.
Ha, do it for me guys!
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Drop in bars, but no dropped calls. That is a massive distinction that the source article fails to mention. Vibrant FTW
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I ran a speed test with and without the deathgrip on my vibrant (a 4 bar difference) and noticed no notable speed changes.
Holding the phone normally, with my palm about 1/4" away from the bump/antennae on the back of the phone, I definitely lose signal, 3 bars to 0 bars. I also definitely lose download and upload speeds(according to speedtest.net app).
Also, when I go to Menu>Status>About Phone and check the signal there, it goes from about -85dBm 8asu to 0dBm 0asu.
Why would any cell phone maker put the antenna at the bottom where it could easily be covered by the hand? Doesnt it make more sense to put the antenna at the top?
I believe it is illegal to put the antenna in the upper part of the phone
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I believe it is illegal to put the antenna in the upper part of the phone
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I don't know if it's "illegal" as in punishable by jail time, but I believe FCC regulations enforced on cell phone manufacturers mandate antennas to be on the bottom of the phone to increase distance to that grey spongy thing between your ears.
Has to do with exposure to radiation from the antenna.
What if you're holding the phone in landscape with your fingers going over the back of the hump? Does that affect data, speakerphone calls, or GPS signals?
I can reproduce signal loss cupping it in my hand but no call or data change. The iphone issue actually detunes the antenna.
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People. These are completely separate issues. Please quit trying to make our phone like the iPhonie, good or bad. jeebus.
after i put on the gel case from t-mobile i can no longer replicate the "death grip"
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People. These are completely separate issues. Please quit trying to make our phone like the iPhonie, good or bad. jeebus.
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Agreed.
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$10 says a sledgehammer will also cause you to lose signal.
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Sorry.
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