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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKyti2XEgY
Wow.....!!!
Results aside, that was a really great video, showing off what these phones can do.
Rematch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unrhua1stOg
Skyfire vs N1
Hmmm.....
I love how ill informed these reviewers are and the peons making comments. Android 2.1 supports multi touch, and there are browsers that take advantage of multi touch, even on 1.5/6 ROMs on my G1.
I do think the HD2 is one heck of a sexy phone! Too bad it is running WM, but maybe it will be nice and snappy with the dragon under the skin! I hope I get to test it for work, at the least.
Back on track, I think this matchup is pretty pointless, in the end, though. Both phones are going to surf at about the same speed, and comparing a proxy based browser to a phone based is flawed, to say the least. As well, Skyfire supports flash, which makes it even more flawed of a comparison. Come back in a month or two when Android has Opera Mobile 10, and flash support, then compare! Until then, it is flawed to make any sort of comparison.
Personally, as someone that was on a WM device before Android, both have pros and cons with their web browsing. Personally, the big thing with flash is youtube, and I think the Android youtube app trumps WM's. As well, I would say the overall browsing experience with the Android browser is better, especially when on a mobile network. But I was able to do a little bit more with WM, but it was a result of having 4 browsers to chose from.
Hehe, I guess we saw it differently. To me, the Nexus One absolutely hands down just slaughtered the HD2: Brighter screen, first to load content, first to finish, faster rotating. Hands down won in every category.
To be objective, plusses for the HD2: bigger screen (obviously) and more screen real estate (100% full screen once wepage fully loads), whereas the notification bar stays on screen permanently for Android. What I don't understand is that in Android 2.0, the address bar disappears once you scroll down the page. I wish there was an option to do the same thing with the Notification Bar. So you scroll down, and both the address bar AND the notification bar go away. Perhaps someone will hack this in?
(The skyfire test was kind of useless, since it "finishes" first, but the Nexus One loads content first, so you can actually, like... read stuff. But to be fair again, Skyfire does do flash, so plus for that.)
I agree that the Android browser was better overall in the side by side. But that doesn't change the fact it wasn't a fair comparison, and that with WM you can do more stuff on the internet(not much, but you can do more).
I don't even know why skyfire is even being used as a browser for comparison, since any web page is loaded server side with flash and all.
They should use Opera, with real load times, since its actually being loaded from the phones own power.
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I don't even know why skyfire is even being used as a browser for comparison, since any web page is loaded server side with flash and all.
They should use Opera, with real load times, since its actually being loaded from the phones own power.
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This. Server-side processing should always always always be faster at the cost of rendering integrity. Also, "winning" in my opinion is how fast content becomes accessible to the user, I can interact with pages while they're loading on the N1 but Skyfire doesn't display until loading is complete.
Nexus one is miles better due to WM on the hd2.. i sold mine
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The first video is using Opera on the HD2. The second (the "rematch") is Skyfire.
On Android you can start reading the page within 2-3secs while on both WinMo browsers you'll have to wait till the page is almost fully loaded. Advantage Android for me
Can the N1 browser play internet videos? I get a message like 'can't play on my handset' when I try to in msn, yahoo, etc. Do I need a plugin or something?
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Can the N1 browser play internet videos? I get a message like 'can't play on my handset' when I try to in msn, yahoo, etc. Do I need a plugin or something?
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It does not have flash support at this time.
hello every one please help me with this issue, when i try to read pages with a lot of content like engadget,espn ect opera and ie wont stop moving down or up its like it got a mind of his own how can i fix. this the third and the best rom i flash(miri) and try all the difrent opera browser please help i want to work the same way it work here on xda. thanks
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had the same issue, it drove me crazy and i started using RSS readers instead
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hello every one please help me with this issue, when i try to read pages with a lot of content like engadget,espn ect opera and ie wont stop moving down or up its like it got a mind of his own how can i fix. this the third and the best rom i flash(miri) and try all the difrent opera browser please help i want to work the same way it work here on xda. thanks
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I'm not sure I understand your problem: Are you talking about the fact that the page continues to move around WHILE LOADING the page? Or is the page moving around even after it is done loading?
its after the page finishes loading. when you zoom in on a pargraph and start reading, suddenly the browser would shift down a couple of line.
Its annoying because you dont know what happened or how many lines were skipped and you have to manually scroll back
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its after the page finishes loading. when you zoom in on a pargraph and start reading, suddenly the browser would shift down a couple of line.
Its annoying because you dont know what happened or how many lines were skipped and you have to manually scroll back
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That's odd, I don't think I ever encountered that. What version of Opera are you using?
The OP is saying that the browser re-renders the page on a pinch-to-zoom command, thus bypassing the intended view for some reason - which happens with me as well.
My suggestion would be (from the Opera browser) going into Menu-->Settings--Display and changing the default view to Mobile which should provide a better experience for you. Keep in mind that the ability to zoom is disabled in this feature.
when you view engadget via opera, the top area where they show their most popular news continues to rotate through the possible headers.
For some reason, on opera mobile these 'headers' have different size, so as it switches, the page moves 'up' and 'down.' I'm guessing this is the same issue on espn. I'm not sure if this is opera's fault or flash lite's.
Also, the other possibility is that sometimes opera might still be loading the images, so the page would move down (but never up).
Update:
Some headway is being made on this. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907659&page=8
Ok, here's the damage report.
Serendipity ROM: animated GIF broken AND checkerboards
Phoenix ROM: animated GIF broken AND checkerboards
Firefly ROM: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard (with latest version ONLY)
Cognition 3.0x: animated GIF WORKS AND DOES NOT checkerboard
ROM Kitchen: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard (with XWJS3 w/2.2 browser ONLY)
Perception 10.x: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard
di11igaf ROM: animated GIF broken AND DOES NOT checkerboard
Ultimate ROM: animated GIF broken AND checkerboards
I have tested all ROMs released that were developed based on JPY Froyo 2.2.1. This includes the latest Phoenix, Perception, Serendipity, Doc Gingerborg, and others. I spent 2 entire sleepless nights doing complete flashes from scratch, without any data on the phone, and came up with this out of all of them.
While in general they are good, fast, and stable, there are a number of issues they are having that I believe are inherent to the base firmware. Some are fixable, such as the Wifi battery drain bug; others, I'm not sure. The main one, in my opinion, are general issues with the internet/browser rendering of Froyo.
The problems are as follows:
1. Animated GIFs do not render properly. They are very random and sometimes to not work at all. You should try it and see for yourself.
2. Trying to type into fields are VERY hit and miss. For example, when browsing to a forum, such as this one, when responding to a thread, try clicking in the field where you type the response; what happens is that the cursor goes WAY up the screen, while you are left staring at the bottom of the blank white space. This happens in any forum. Some forums do not have apps developed for mobile, so it renders it useless.
3. Tapping and holding (moving) the page around in general is very iffy. Most of the time you can see a checkered background when this happens, instead of it being seamless, like it is in Froyo 2.2 ROMs. It's easy to see this on the Google homepage when it opens.
We all know that Android OSes use a cut down version of the Dolphin browser. So I installed Dolphin HD. Same problems. Only when I installed mobile Firefox as well as mobile Opera, do the problems disappear. It seems that if you open these browsers, go to a page that has animated GIFs, it sort of "kick starts" the rendering engine, from which point animated GIFs start working in the Dolphin based browser. However, the moment you close mobile Firefox or Opera, the animated GIF problem returns. Also, the issue is that using those browsers are not a solution, since they are not fully featured, underperform, slow, and are in general underdeveloped, and not suitable for daily use. I also tried taking the browser from the older versions and putting it in the new ones, but it didn't help.
That's basically all I came up with for now. That made the experience a break-it deal for me, so I simply moved back, in this case, to Perception 9.5, which works flawlessly. Any of the ROMs based on the older 2.2 Froyo firmware work perfectly.
If anyone has anything to add to this thread, that's great. This is mainly to see whether or not the ROM devs here can actually fix such a thing, or if it's something lower level. Some input from the ROM devs would be great.
If mods do not think this is the proper place for this topic, please feel free to move it.
What site is giving you problems with the gifs...I'll go try it?
Mac
Any site that has animated GIFs. Try this one:
http://www.animatedgif.net/
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Any site that has animated GIFs. Try this one:
http://www.animatedgif.net/
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Well..the top banner on that site is working fine for me..as well as clicking on any of the sites that offer animated gifs... All of the animated gifs I see are ...well..animated....?
So...what exactly am I to look for to see if they aren't working properly..and I am using Phoenix 2.0 stock browser..
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OK...I see what you talking about now...it's the embedded re-direct adds that aren't showing up for you...correct ?
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No. If you reload the page, or back out of that one and go to another, it will randomly not work. Not the top GIF one, but all the small GIFs that are supposed to be animated.
Some other people were complaining of this same issue. It's hit/miss and very random.
I have to agree. When scrolling around a large image in the browser, it starts resizing randomly. I also have not been able to get any animated gifs to work in the browser.
i noticed that when scrolling up/down a page with large images, the stock browser reformats the text & breaks up images so part of the text & image looks smaller while the rest is original size. when i finish scrolling, the text & images are reformatted correctly. it's not a big deal to me. animated gifs that don't animate aren't a big loss to me either, i find them annoying
sent from my captivate + di11igaf 3.0.2 + speedmod k12k
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i noticed that when scrolling up/down a page with large images, the stock browser reformats the text & breaks up images so part of the text & image looks smaller while the rest is original size. when i finish scrolling, the text & images are reformatted correctly. it's not a big deal to me. animated gifs that don't animate aren't a big loss to me either, i find them annoying
sent from my captivate + di11igaf 3.0.2 + speedmod k12k
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Well, there are some forums that use animated GIFs (like weather), so it renders it useless.
I could possibly live without the animated GIF, but posting in a forum is basically impossible using the ROM. Try it on these forums (NOT using XDA app).
JPY browser has terrible issues for me.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
I agree, the JPY browser is almost un-usable for me. Dolphin Mini has been my replacement so far.
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Well, there are some forums that use animated GIFs (like weather), so it renders it useless.
I could possibly live without the animated GIF, but posting in a forum is basically impossible using the ROM. Try it on these forums (NOT using XDA app).
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Not its not as i just posted this from my phone using dolphin hd mate
may want to try an older browser along with an older, non-2.2.1 libwebcore.so found in /system/lib.
this is one of the main reasons i didnt want to even make a 2.2.1 rom, its decent, the browser loads pages faster generally i think, but it checkerboards like an iphone 3g, along with the other problems you mentioned. theres other things i dont like about it but thats not what this thread is for, but changing those files may help with those problems.
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may want to try an older browser along with an older, non-2.2.1 libwebcore.so found in /system/lib.
this is one of the main reasons i didnt want to even make a 2.2.1 rom, its decent, the browser loads pages faster generally i think, but it checkerboards like an iphone 3g, along with the other problems you mentioned. theres other things i dont like about it but thats not what this thread is for, but changing those files may help with those problems.
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I'm intrigued. Is the libwebcore.so responsible for "rendering" webpages? I might load up Phoenix again to give it a shot.
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Not its not as i just posted this from my phone using dolphin hd mate
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I'm confused. As soon as I load up a reply page and click in the area to type, the "cursor" goes way up the page and is basically impossible for me to type. I have to scroll up and as soon as I enter one letter, the screen goes way back down the blank area, and I have to rinse/repeat. For each letter.
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I'm intrigued. Is the libwebcore.so responsible for "rendering" webpages? I might load up Phoenix again to give it a shot.
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im not saying im 100% sure it will work as i havent tried it, but it should. im gonna try it tonight before i release a 2.2.1 build, and if it works, ill include and post back here and let you know.
worst case senario browser FC's, but its worth a shot if it does work.
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im not saying im 100% sure it will work as i havent tried it, but it should. im gonna try it tonight before i release a 2.2.1 build, and if it works, ill include and post back here and let you know.
worst case senario browser FC's, but its worth a shot if it does work.
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Yeah, just tried it, and it didn't work. Loaded up a 2.2.1 based ROM (Doc ROM), replaced the libwebcore.so with a one from Perception 9.5, and it just FCs the browser when trying to type in a blank field.
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Yeah, just tried it, and it didn't work. Loaded up a 2.2.1 based ROM (Doc ROM), replaced the libwebcore.so with a one from Perception 9.5, and it just FCs the browser when trying to type in a blank field.
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did you replace the browser as well, i was saying replace both, even then it may not work, but if you didnt youll have a better shot of it working with a browser from the same build you got the libwebcore from
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did you replace the browser as well, i was saying replace both, even then it may not work, but if you didnt youll have a better shot of it working with a browser from the same build you got the libwebcore from
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Yes. When I got the FC, the next thing I did was replace the browser with one from Perception 9.5, and then, as a final resort, rebooted. Same ordeal; FC when typing into a field (in landscape mode).
Go to any page that plays audio from the flash player.
Is it playing ok?
Audio plays at half speed for me. but video plays fine.
This is my second Iconia, my first one I rooted the day I got it and 12 days later, my Iconia wouldnt stay connect to the internet. But anyways, I have tried Dolphin for Pad, Stock Browser, and even firefox for my Iconia. Everytime I browse a forum, or watch a simple video file on any of these browsers, it will force close. I have searched the forums to see if its a known problem or not. I typically will have no more than 2 tabs per browser open at a time. My question is, does anyone else have this problem, is there anything I can do to correct this?
The other issue I am having is, after switching over to a new tab the page will refresh itself losing its place/download progress of a video etc. Is there any way to correct this so it doesnt do that?
My Iconia is currently stock on 3.1 ( just in case I want to roll back to root access)
And this is happening with multiple browsers? If so, the refresh problem is also happening? That is extremely bizarre, and I unfortunately do not have much to offer than to let you know that this does not happen to me at all.
I can only confirm that this does not happen to me also, but I have applied all the latest updates, so maybe one of the updates has addressed this issue. Have you checking the system log (logcat or android system info app) to see what if any error is being thrown?
First of all, you need to update, 3.1 is so old school. Secondly, you can easily root 3.2 these days. Third, have you tried Opera, never had a problem with it. The other 2 you mentioned dolphin pad and firefox are beta releases.
Wow, that is kinda bizarre. I'm on rooted stock 3.2.1 and use Dolphin browser for tablets and don't have any of these problems. If you are interested in rooting and flashing a different ROM, I'd say go ahead and do it, and see if that fixes the issue. I generally read most of the posts on here, and have never seen anyone with a problem like yours. The closest thing I've had happen is the very occasional FC with Dolphin if I have tons of tabs open and try to DL a file or something. Sorry thats not much help, but maybe a new ROM might fix whatever is messed up for you.
Have you updated your Adobe Flash player in the marketplace? I had the same problem as yours before. Then I checked the market and there was an "update" button for adobe flash. So I updated, and the browser didn't for close after that.
I've got the same problem when a few apps are running in the background and when I try to open web pages that are a bit heavy (containing movies or large photographs, for instance).
I had the same problem with the stock browser and the Dolphin browser...
My guess is that the amount of RAM memory is not high enough... Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds to me simply logical.
No troubles for me either..
im wondering if you two are on the same sites d/loading playing the same videos..
i have issues with some site on my iconia netflix search function.. and similar boxes on other sites.. But some sites its fine..
i suggest do as told above.. get on a version of 3.21 try the honeylicious or other great near stock roms.. then if your trouble continue check with other web sites that you normally dont go to ..
Good Luck..
Thank's Renee
I will follow your advice and avoid webpages that include photos or videos.
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I've got the same problem when a few apps are running in the background and when I try to open web pages that are a bit heavy (containing movies or large photographs, for instance).
I had the same problem with the stock browser and the Dolphin browser...
My guess is that the amount of RAM memory is not high enough... Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds to me simply logical.
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Yep, I agree.
You would be surprised the number of apps attempting to contact the Internet in the background. You could install 'Advanced Task Killer' (free version from the Android Market) and check if the RAM is running low prior to streaming a video.
HTC Desire
ROM: MIUI-XJ v2.2.10 (D2EXT X-PART)
Recovery: 4EXT Classic
Acer Iconia A500
ROM: civato-FLEXSTRIKER-R9.5
hi there, i recently bought my first android, a nexus 7 and before i started to mess with it, i noticed something cool that i been missing a lot on apple devices: when i clicked small buttons or links in the browser, it zoomed that area so it was easier to choose. SUPER COOL i thought..
ofcourse later i had to root it, change rom to PA, and all the stuff a new android newbie has to, and i didn't really see this little feature anymore, is it something i have to install again, did i loose it when changing from stock rom > PA rom? don't even know what this "feature" is called
any help appreciated
-Deco
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hi there, i recently bought my first android, a nexus 7 and before i started to mess with it, i noticed something cool that i been missing a lot on apple devices: when i clicked small buttons or links in the browser, it zoomed that area so it was easier to choose. SUPER COOL i thought..
ofcourse later i had to root it, change rom to PA, and all the stuff a new android newbie has to, and i didn't really see this little feature anymore, is it something i have to install again, did i loose it when changing from stock rom > PA rom? don't even know what this "feature" is called
any help appreciated
-Deco
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I can't get it to work all the time, but it seems to happen most often on dropdown menu links or where there's a lot of small links close together (like page number links in a long thread on XDA.) I'm still not 100% sure what activates it, but I just loaded this subforum on my Nexus 7 and touched the lag thread title/page number links and it popped up magnified. Same thing for the "Quick Links" dropdown menu at the top of the page. I clicked the menu, then tried to click "Social Groups" and the section of the list I was on became magnified. I think it only happens when there's a certain text density on the screen, because when I zoom in I eventually stop getting the magnification box, but at that point it's really easy to click individual links.
RealDeco said:
hi there, i recently bought my first android, a nexus 7 and before i started to mess with it, i noticed something cool that i been missing a lot on apple devices: when i clicked small buttons or links in the browser, it zoomed that area so it was easier to choose. SUPER COOL i thought..
ofcourse later i had to root it, change rom to PA, and all the stuff a new android newbie has to, and i didn't really see this little feature anymore, is it something i have to install again, did i loose it when changing from stock rom > PA rom? don't even know what this "feature" is called
any help appreciated
-Deco
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Does Paranoid android use Chrome? It probably doesn't. That very useful feature is a google chrome thing. Here is the Play Store link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.android.chrome&hl=en
And if at any time android ask's you which browser to open, tap on chrome and tap on "Remember" or something like that.
as there is no other browser on stock on nexus 7 i assume you have been using chrome before. and this feature pops up most likely when you are not zoomed in and navigate through a site where diffrent links are very close together. just to avoid clicking the wrong link of course.
as McMichael96 said, you can just install chrome afterwards when using 4.0+ on your nexus which is quite common obviously haha.
maybe you should also check out the other browsers which are available in the market which also have their unique advantages compared to e.g. chrome.
for once there is Opera Mobile, which renders the text on pages when you zoom in to match the screen width which makes it very easy read without scrolling sideways.
for chrome, the major advantage is, if you are using chrome on other devices as well, that everything is synced.
if using e.g. opera on other devices, syncing is available as well.
there are even more browsers like firefox (which i don't like much) even though favourites and bookmarks are accessable quite nice, dolphin browser which is very popular and have a sleek userinterface, or more.
consider to give them a try... happy to hear your feedback after trying out. cheers.