Is Android Unstoppable? - Nexus One General

Thought I might share an article that has some World Smartphone Market Share Charts, and where that 885% increase we have seen recently came from. The article itself is a good read if anyone is interested in reading it.
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/08/03/is-android-unstoppable/
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Yup, it's unstoppable, until Google grow too big & too arrogant (like all other big corporations...)
'till then love it!
Lodger

Hey! Android is beating apple now! But apple will probably get ahead again when the iPhone 4S gets a small "revolutionary" upgrade to the front facing camera

I love Android as much as the next person, but remember the number of products that run the Android OS compared to the Apple OS. How do you think it would be if there were as many different Apple products that could run the OS as there are that run Android?

It doesn't matter how many they sell..... it's still beating it out. It might be 1 phone but is being manufactured just like all the rest in the same quanitity.

Rudreax said:
I love Android as much as the next person, but remember the number of products that run the Android OS compared to the Apple OS. How do you think it would be if there were as many different Apple products that could run the OS as there are that run Android?
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And who's fault is that? Apple's. Apple doesn't allow others to use their software and that's why they won't ever sell the most.

Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...

If android only had one device they would still be where they are at

theartfullodger said:
Yup, it's unstoppable, until Google grow too big & too arrogant (like all other big corporations...)
'till then love it!
Lodger
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How could Google be any bigger short of overtaking Poland right now?

No mobile OS is unstoppable. Android may be doing extremely well right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get knocked down into oblivion. I don't think it'll happen. But that doesn't mean that this current sales boom is going to continue on forever.

thepawn said:
Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
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The cell provider is limited in the US but pretty much everyone carriers it outside. Here in Canada for example, Fido/Rogers/Telus/Bell/Virgin all carry the iPhone.

seeking said:
If android only had one device they would still be where they are at
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Lol, no it wouldn't.
obstacles can kill said:
No mobile OS is unstoppable. Android may be doing extremely well right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get knocked down into oblivion. I don't think it'll happen. But that doesn't mean that this current sales boom is going to continue on forever.
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Not necessarily. Every mobile OS up to this point has been essentially a one company, one software scenario.
Android is much more flexible in terms of staying up to date with usage trends. If developers start moving in one direction, android by nature will follow that direction. iOS, winmo, blackberry attempt to monetize the OS.
What makes the open nature of android so great is that it gets small independent developers involved. Those are the real people who allow for progression in OSes.
You have knockoff phones running android 2.1. That's a great boon for android.

ExtraDas said:
How could Google be any bigger short of overtaking Poland right now?
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Sigh! Well, see at
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2010/full_list/index.html
Google doesn't even make the top 100 corporations by sales volume (yup, I know, there are many other ways of comparing corporations...)
Cheers!
Lodger

theartfullodger said:
Sigh! Well, see at
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2010/full_list/index.html
Google doesn't even make the top 100 corporations by sales volume (yup, I know, there are many other ways of comparing corporations...)
Cheers!
Lodger
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No offense to you, but i dont believe cnn money is a trustable source of information anymore, especially not after the butchering of that last survey. Cnn money is no more trustworthy in my mind as The Inquirer is.

Blueman101 said:
No offense to you, but i dont believe cnn money is a trustable source of information anymore, especially not after the butchering of that last survey. Cnn money is no more trustworthy in my mind as The Inquirer is.
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Sigh!
OK brother, yup, CNN are untrustworthy b******s but see at...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_revenue
Google doesn't even make the top 186... (which ends with Commerzbank with revenues of $40B US compared with Google's revenues of some $23.651B US see
http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
making Google less than 6% of Walmart's revenues ....
Cheers!
Lodger
PS Yup, I know, WikiP is known is some circles as WrongiPedia but come on....
PPS But, yes, Google will grow 'n grow.. which was my original point....

thepawn said:
Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
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The userbase started back in 2007 though I don't think Android really made a push until last year (after the first generation of Android phones)

JCopernicus said:
Not necessarily. Every mobile OS up to this point has been essentially a one company, one software scenario.
Android is much more flexible in terms of staying up to date with usage trends. If developers start moving in one direction, android by nature will follow that direction. iOS, winmo, blackberry attempt to monetize the OS.
What makes the open nature of android so great is that it gets small independent developers involved. Those are the real people who allow for progression in OSes.
You have knockoff phones running android 2.1. That's a great boon for android.
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You're right in everything that you said. But that still doesn't mean it's unstoppable. While the chance of Android losing its momentum anytime soon is extremely unlikely, it can still happen. Depending on who you ask, you can be told that Windows Mobile was "unstoppable" at a point or that Maemo was the new up and coming that was going to make an impact. And of course, a great example would be s60 which many thought was the next "number one".
I love my Android. My Nexus One is my baby, I've got a 6" Andy decal on my car, and a smaller one on my laptop. But we gotta be real here. Nothing in the mobile game is truly unstoppable. That includes Android and iOS.

of course it would

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Android outsells Apple's Iphone for 1Q 2010

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Android Beats iphone in First Quarter Sales by a Whopping 7 percent!
Link to Arcticles here:
Android sold more phones than Apple in Q1, analyst reports
Report: Google Android surpasses iPhone in U.S.
Android Elbows iPhone Out of Second Place in US Market
Android Advances against Inferior iPhone 28 to 21.
Google's Android Takes Bite Out Of Apple
Android Tops Apple OS for First Quarter
Google Android Crushes Apple In Mobile OS Race
This is going to get ugly. Pop some corn! So if the new Iphone doesn't turn the tide this summer, what will Apple's reaction be?
F~cking OWNED.
Steve Jobs must be crying now.
In your FACE.
Paul22000 said:
F~cking OWNED.
Steve Jobs must be crying now.
In your FACE.
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lol... ya gotta love it.
In fairness, we have an Android Army of phones on a lot of carriers going up against the Iphone. Still, Jobs has a bellyache and is soiling his drawers.
**yawn**
Sooner or later, this was going to happen because ultimately "open" wins
Steve Jobs would be pretty pissed
and this is in the US only... Worldwide its surely a much bigger margin.
the one phone one provider isn't an argument because Apple and Steve choose this path so fair or not if the loss it's becuase the didn't play the game right.
What is unfair is the fact we have 3 major top of the line devices right now (driod, nexus, incred) and they have to release the iphone4 in a few months. If we hold a lead that month then the world is on its head and we are slaying the dragon. Lets hope the Evo puts a nail in that coffin!!!
Yeah, only the beginnig ...see asian market!.. but China only, should be enough to tripple this, as they start producing really low prized Android devices.
It just means that apples going to try and add more features than they originally planned to the new iphone. Will probably just take some elements from android and polish them.
I mean.. just look at that green bar there, Look how it climbs???
Up your ass Steve...
indexphp123 said:
it just means that apples going to try and add more features than they originally planned to the new iphone. Two options for them:
1.) they will actually make something that completely outshines all android and smartphone devices
2.) [recommended] they will try and copy android and make everyone think iphone is better
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What could they possibly do to make their next iPhone better than Android?
Make it open-source? LOOOL
There's also the question of which group of users Windows Phone 7 will appeal to. If its Apple users, thats another problem for the iPhone
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What could they possibly do to make their next iPhone better than Android?
Make it open-source? LOOOL
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somehow get the technology in place and at&t on board with video calls... so nothing
Umm, thats slightly deceptive, since there are 101 phones that run android, as well as tablets, netbooks and other devies. But hey, fan boys will be fan boys, be they android or iPhone
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Umm, thats slightly deceptive, since there are 101 phones that run android, as well as tablets, netbooks and other devies. But hey, fan boys will be fan boys, be they android or iPhone
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Thats the reason why android is doing so well because it can work on so many hardware devices. You can choose a phone with the hardware you need, in your price budget and still get android.
If the next iphone does this I will consider buying it:
or this
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/05/07/android-gets-ported-to-the-iphone-3g/
bobtentpeg said:
Umm, thats slightly deceptive, since there are 101 phones that run android, as well as tablets, netbooks and other devies. But hey, fan boys will be fan boys, be they android or iPhone
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It's a 100% factual comparison of the number of Android OS users versus the number of iPhone OS users. How is this deceptive?
Just because you don't like the facts, doesn't mean it's deceptive
bobtentpeg said:
Umm, thats slightly deceptive, since there are 101 phones that run android, as well as tablets, netbooks and other devies. But hey, fan boys will be fan boys, be they android or iPhone
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Nothing deceptive or fanboyish about it at all. Android outsold Apple's iPhone. It's Apples fault for releasing the iPhone on only one network and offering pretty much the same phone for the last 2-3 years. People are bored with the iPhone and it's UI. Time to move on.
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Hehe, sorry but I had to laugh
I knew Android was on the move & great to read the articles
1. Do keep in mind this time of year the Iphone rumors are in full tilt , many are holding off waiting for the "next" iphone.
2. Theres nothing "skewed" about it. ATT or one unit is not an excuse. Its what Apple has decided to do. Sure if iphone was avilable on VZ it may be a different story...but if Nexus One was subsidized and sold in stores itd be another story. Google and Apple have made there decisions these are the results. Theres no would or could....only is.
3. Incredible/Evo/N1+MTSide vs Iphone 4g.
Current and next quarter is what will count. It will be interesting to see if Iphone goes to VZ just how much advertising theyll put in between the incredible or iphone.
Doesnt matter what Iphone does the drones will buy it up.Theres enough uneducated sheep out there that still think iphone OS is the best so if it goes to VZ thatll be a monumental seller. I still think ATT got the ipad becuase VZ was getting the Iphone 4g as well.
Great news for Android but BB is darn impressive considering the ridiculous lack of good hardware. BB communications and "business" features are still killers. Android and Iphone just arent taking it serious enough. BB users would jump in a heartbeat if there email/txt/IM were as reliable and easy on either platform. BB users are much smarter than Iphone users IMO they want substance that isnt offered elsewhere.
Sprint/VZ and lazy Google would serve themselves well pumping out ad campaigns for there new phones. VZ ad campaign alone was the force behind the massive jump. Imagne if Sprint/Google would match that tv ad money.
Yep, don't count your chickens yet guys....
People who bought an iPhone about 6 months ago will need to buy another soon as they can't change their battery!!
xManMythLegend said:
I still think ATT got the ipad becuase VZ was getting the Iphone 4g as well.
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I disagree. I think it say the opposite: The iPad going to ATT just shows that Apple and ATT are still partners and that nothing has changed.
There will be no Verizon iPhone. Not this year anyway.

A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"

A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
I hope I will be forgiven for a bit of an off-topic here, but since there is much, much comparison between iPhone and Nexus, and selling models of both phones differ so much, here it is:
Analyst Says iPhone Users Experiencing Stockholm Syndrome
A bizarre report from Strand Consult, an analyst firm in Denmark, has likened the relationship iPhone users have with their iPhone to Stockholm Syndrome:
When we examine the iPhone users’ arguments defending the iPhone, it reminds us of the famous Stockholm Syndrome – a term that was invented by psychologists after a hostage drama in Stockholm. Here hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing, by defending the people that had held them hostage for 6 days.
….Below is a selection of some of the arguments that various hard-core iPhone fanatics have been using since the iPhone initially launched:
1. The first iPhone was not a 3G phone: What do you need 3G for? You can easily use the iPhone without using a 3G network and anyway, 3G is not particularly widespread, so this is not a problem.
2. The phone cannot send MMS: There is no need to send MMSs, hardly anybody sends MMSs.
3. You cannot forward a SMS: This is a function that hardly anybody uses and was therefore not included in the first iPhones.
4. The phone has a poor camera: The built-in camera is perfectly adequate and the iPhone takes fantastic photos with its camera.
The report lists 20 iPhone flaws and purported defenses by iPhone owners and comes to the conclusion that the real reason for the popularity of the iPhone is because the people that bought one will go to great lengths to justify their purchase, even lying to others:
In reality the iPhone is surrounded by a multitude of people, media and companies that are happy to bend the truth to defend the product they have purchased from Apple.
Personally, I find the whole idea that that the iPhone is holding me against my will preposterous. I mean, sure, I signed a two-year contract that I really didn’t want, but it’s not like I’m stuck in some kind of walled garden or anything. In a real hostage situation, the hostage taker would control what you see and hear, and it’s not like that with Apple, right? And there’s no one demanding money, like, say $175, to free me from the iPhone or the two-year contract. Nope, I love my captor, I mean, my iPhone.
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Original: http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/12/13/analyst-says-iphone-users-experiencing-stockholm-syndrome/
DISCLAIMER: This is for laughs and giggles only, by reading this you agree that you are not an apple fanboy and will take this article not as means to defend The Sacred Apple, but as a funny anecdote. Chronic flamers need not bother.
This is actually pretty funny. The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
galaxys said:
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
spidermonkeyrob said:
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
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Lol good one there
faria said:
Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
I just got done reading the article from the link. This reminds me of this arguement I had with an iphone user on youtube. I was explaining how the N1 was a better phone overall to him and this was one of his responses to one of my comments. I remember it like it was yesterday. The guy was an asshole too.
"Why would I need a voice-to-text feature when I can type XXX words every minute???"
*sarcasm* I would love to see this guy work his fingers that fast as his car is driving off a cliff. Dont text and drive kids.
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
spidermonkeyrob said:
The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
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Yeah, locked for $700.
This article touched on SO many good points about how Apple has changed their tune on tons of different features. My favorites include...
-MMS, not needed because you can use email (but the email client will resize your images to VGA/MMS quality anyway, fixed in 4.0).
-Apps/App Store, web apps are the future!
-Multitasking, unnecessary and excluded to improve stability, then push notifications were satisfactory, now multitasking is being added in 4.0.
-3G, drains way too much battery life so it's not needed...until we release another phone to sell you next year.
But my favorite of them all? PRICE. The original 8gb, EDGE-only iPhone sold for $599 on a two-year contract.
crazy talk said:
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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...unless they're talking about Windows Mobile. Really, I don't care what your background is. 6.5 and below is absolute garbage, lest HTC and everyone else wouldn't be trying to cover it with different UI layers, nor Microsoft ditching the framework altogether for Windows Phone 7.
We are all fan boys to a certain extent. I'm sure many of you (including me) will defend the nexus against some other device. We might have different limits, but the behavior is the same in every one of us.
Lets be realistic, we love our devices no matter what choice we made.
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
Yeah, I do the same with my Nexus One :
For some reason I can't send MMS, but hey, who needs MMS anyway ?
Games definitely sucks compared to what you have on an iPhone... but you don't buy a phone to play games, do you ?
Sound quality sucks... but I have a DAP so i don't listen to music on my Nexus One.
The screen is almost unusable in direct sunlight... but I almost always use it indoors.
The truth is, once you bought an expensive device, either you don't like it and you return it, or you like it enough to keep it and you start convincing yourself that it doesn't have any flaws, or that its flaws are not really important.
And I do like my N1 more than enough to forget its flaws =)
lorin.bute said:
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
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You'd better believe the psychologists, at least some of them might know your nature more than you know yourself. Here is one that explains this point, for example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html
So the point is that we should have less choice so we can be happy with the only thing we have? "Yeah, right!"
This doesn't make any sense to me. While he might be right, i do believe in being able to choose.
Come on guys, we all know Apple rules. Just check out this latest article from Gizmodo (lol):
http://gizmodo.com/5545711/dear-steve-has-google-leapfrogged-apple
Dear Steve, Has Google Leapfrogged Apple?
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Here's what Steve Jobs thinks of our thoughts of Google leapfrogging Apple:
Dear Steve,
Have you read this Gizmodo article? What are your thoughts on it? Do you believe Google is surpassing you guys or do you believe something different? What do you plan on doing if Google is surpassing Apple?
Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
Brian
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Steve Jobs wrote:
Not a chance.
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The "leapfrogged Apple" article is actually pretty good; check it out here:
http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple
The only thing worse than the supposed Apply fanbois (which to be honest I don't really notice) are the Apple hatebois. I really don't understand what all the hate towards the iPhone (and now iPad) is about. I think it's a pretty good product, personally.
I'd much rather see people with iPhones than BlackBerry's. Nothing annoys me more than being "out of the loop" because everyone I know uses BBM almost exclusively for communications. If RIM made phones that I actually wanted to use it wouldn't be such a problem, but as it stands they lock everyone in with services like that and then produce lackluster consumer products. Rumor has it that iPhone OS 4 will have iChat functionality built in, which likely means native Google Talk support!
Google Talk good, BBM bad.
Re: A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
Omg, the wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started =)
It's just a funny article. You don't see nexus fans flame over Onion News' video of "google whispering ads to your ear". If you can't take the sarcasm, maybe there is a reason why you're so defensive =)
The wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started? Someone says they think a product is decent and to you its a declaration of war? I think that's the problem. There seems to be no middle ground any more. You either have to agree to hate Apple, or risk being branded a mindless drone caught in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
PrawnPoBoy said:
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Yeah, I agree =) I guess that puts me in the middle ground.
galaxys said:
Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
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Nice to see you too! I m getting a Desire in the end of the month but my love for windows mobile will never end.
to everyone else;
I like the I-phone very much,but hate when a company wants to tell me what is best for me or what i can or cannot do.In short i hate arrogant people.
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
faria said:
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
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Yeah, I think you hit the spot there. It may actually have nothing to do with the device itself, it's the attitude and the ignorance. You'd think that spending $500+ for a phone, people would research and educate themselves a bit about the alternatives, pros and cons.. yet iphone users (I'm sorry, it's true) very often do not. The reasons for that are a separate topic. Mostly, the salesguy at AT&T (or coworker/friend/media) just told them it's the best, so it must be the best.
It'd be hard to find nexus one user who didn't make any research before buying it. Maybe that's why they didn't sell as many . I betcha vast majority of nexus users know all about Nexus' pros and cons.
Imo, that is the main reason for all this fighting. iPhone itself just got caught in the middle.

Google not releasing Honeycomb 3.0 source code anytime soon

News, but not as much of a deal to us (right now) as it is for tablet users.
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/...thering-as-google-withhold-honeycomb-code.ars
"The company revealed Thursday that it will delay publication of the Android 3.0 source code for the foreseeable future—possibly for months. It's not clear when (or if) the source code will be made available. The decision puts Android on a path towards a "draconian future" of its own, in which it is controlled by a single vendor—Google."
Expect the worst, hope for the best.
sirmx said:
News, but not as much of a deal to us (right now) as it is for tablet users.
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/...thering-as-google-withhold-honeycomb-code.ars
"The company revealed Thursday that it will delay publication of the Android 3.0 source code for the foreseeable future—possibly for months. It's not clear when (or if) the source code will be made available. The decision puts Android on a path towards a "draconian future" of its own, in which it is controlled by a single vendor—Google."
Expect the worst, hope for the best.
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I read the story the other day, I agree with google if they don't
Thats completely BS. There are so many froyo tablet out there (especially on the lower end) that I know the manufacturor probably won't update to honeycomb, many made by low budget ZTE brand.
I was hoping maybe XDA or similar people would be porting Honeycomb. For company that claims android is open, this is a huge FU. Do no evil, yeah $W$&ing right.
I don't even see how this is justified. People will adapt stuff to hardware its not intended for, but its not like we blame Google when that crap goes bad. More importantly, I know people can already do it without source.
I remember when Gingerbread first came out, a lot of Evo gingerbread ROMs came out based on the GB SDK that was released. They were far from stable, but people do it anyway. Considering the honeycomb SDK is released, I can see people trying (and probably already have).
Android, an open* mobile platform
*Only when it benefits Google.
MultiDev said:
Thats completely BS. There are so many froyo tablet out there (especially on the lower end) that I know the manufacturor probably won't update to honeycomb, many made by low budget ZTE brand.
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There's tons of 2.2 tabs out there after google said not to put it on tablets because it's not made for them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1007327
There's a thread already open for this. Smh
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scooter185 said:
There's tons of 2.2 tabs out there after google said not to put it on tablets because it's not made for them.
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So? Isn't android all about being open. And more importantly, why shouldn't they be allowed to do that? Google can block its own apps from those tablets and I believe they did. Aside from that, an open platform should be open to all, right?
also heard this on a youtube vid from CTIA
Originally Posted by blackroseMD1
According to Bloomberg
This would be very disappointing...and the reasoning seems to be that they don't want devs putting Honeycomb on phones.
Apparently, the next source they plan on releasing will be for Ice Cream Sandwich.
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MultiDev said:
So? Isn't android all about being open. And more importantly, why shouldn't they be allowed to do that? Google can block its own apps from those tablets and I believe they did. Aside from that, an open platform should be open to all, right?
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Yes, google blocked market access to those devices, which makes having android kind of pointless. Android is open, but google also wants to make sure the experience is a good one for the consumer. Unfortunately enough people are uniformed that they will by no-name crap android tab, it will suck, and then they will not buy anotherbandroid device; and likely tell their uniformed friends android sucks and so forth.
At some point along the way there needs to be some type of quality assurance, or else you get a ton of crap flooding the market labeled android, and people aren't going to care that it's not googles fault, they're going to blame their bad experience on android.
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Thats completely BS. There are so many froyo tablet out there (especially on the lower end) that I know the manufacturor probably won't update to honeycomb, many made by low budget ZTE brand.
I was hoping maybe XDA or similar people would be porting Honeycomb. For company that claims android is open, this is a huge FU. Do no evil, yeah $W$&ing right.
I don't even see how this is justified. People will adapt stuff to hardware its not intended for, but its not like we blame Google when that crap goes bad. More importantly, I know people can already do it without source.
I remember when Gingerbread first came out, a lot of Evo gingerbread ROMs came out based on the GB SDK that was released. They were far from stable, but people do it anyway. Considering the honeycomb SDK is released, I can see people trying (and probably already have).
Android, an open* mobile platform
*Only when it benefits Google.
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So? Isn't android all about being open. And more importantly, why shouldn't they be allowed to do that? Google can block its own apps from those tablets and I believe they did. Aside from that, an open platform should be open to all, right?
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Yes it should but google has already been doing things differently than other open source OS's. AS is there are no nightly builds from google for any android platform.
We always say we are the 1% of the people of the population that buys android smartphones that come here regularly. People bash google for everything, first its fragmentation and look what they are doing now slowing down a bit and trying a way to stop all those cheap ass phones that suck and craptacular tablets from japan from getting into peoples hands and going "man i should have gotten "iphone/palm/windows/BB"
Who cares if they release the source code? Honeycomb (3.0) is for tablets only, not cellphones...
Did any of you read the article?
Google admitted to cutting corners just to get the OS released in time for tablets. It's flawed, messed up, incorrect, not right, etc and Google wants to fix it before releasing the source code.
This is not "omgzorz open source my ass, blah blah blah", this is Google saying "hey guys, we'll release the code, but please just let us fix what we messed up first, okay?"
Keep your damn panties on, the source will get released when they fix the problems they admitted they had. Which I completely respect Google for doing, by the way.
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Why don't you add something to this conversation instead of being a troll and posting pointless pics. This isn't 4chan.
As for HC being a tablet OS, I don't see how thats relevant. Imagine if Google said they weren't releasing froyo source code and all the tablet people came said, oh its not for tablets, so who cares. Not everyone here just owns smartphones.
As for Google cutting corners, that Google's problem. And more importantly, they can still improve things while releasing source code. The linux community (among others) does this all the time. Even more importantly, Google RTM'ed honeycomb. Xoom is on store selves. By doing that, Google is saying its ready (whether it actually is is debatable), so Google should stand by its RTM'ed code. Especially since Google isn't even calling this a beta (at least no mention of it on Xoom retail box) and Google calls practically all their products beta upon initial release.
This is a step in the wrong direction no matter how you look at it. Its not the first step in the wrong direction as some have pointed out and, worryingly, it probably won't be the last.

IPhone rips off Android!

Pull down notifications!!! Obviously Apple is running out of ideas. The thing that pisses me off the most, is now every iPhone user I meet will act like Apple thought of it and say Android is a cheap rip off. ZOMG!! Apple (and their sheep like followers) makes me hate humans!!
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Pull down notifications!!! Obviously Apple is running out of ideas. The thing that pisses me off the most, is now every iPhone user I meet will act like Apple thought of it and say Android is a cheap rip off. ZOMG!! Apple (and their sheep like followers) makes me hate humans!!
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Wait a minute...
When did Apple NOT buy someone else's patent or take their idea and sell it as "revolutionary?"
Not sure if trolling....
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Maybe Google should sue Apple like Apple is suing Samsung for coping.
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Maybe Google should sue Apple like Apple is suing Samsung for coping.
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Some companies actually spend more time developing rather than suing.
Welcome to last week
from my phone duh
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Some companies actually spend more time developing rather than suing.
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Apple does both all the time,ha
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Interesting IOS 5 Beta time to upgrade my ipod touch 4th gen now i have a reason to take it out of my drawer still not as good as android though
It kind of pissed me off, all the trash talk Jobs does about android, but in the end its apple following the ideas and trends android sets ie: Hummer sized phones, notifications, cloud, front camera, 3d screen, etc.
Apple just added it so they can sue Google like they do with every other company it rips stuff off from.
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Apple does both all the time,ha
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All big companies do, give me one that doesn't!
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All big companies do, give me one that doesn't!
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Apple seems to be doing this quute excessively. Its seems like their legal department is board.
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Apple seems to be doing this quute excessively. Its seems like their legal department is board.
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Sony for the Ps3, almost all the major movie studios, Nokia, Samsung, Microsoft, etc etc all are sue crazy. Sad truth here though...
So apple sues HTC for how their notification system works, using them as a proxy to sue Google and Android, and then they turn around and steal Android's way of showing notifications?
I would not put it past them to try and copyright it too.
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All big companies do, give me one that doesn't!
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Companies have to engage in lawsuits once in a while....believe it or not...once in a while they are actually just.
However, Apple seems to do it once a day.
And it always seems to be in situations like this.
I'm with xhausx, it wouldn't surprise me if they put this in and then try to sue others for having "stole" it.
U guys most have forgot apple hired a bunch of people who helped make android almost a year ago now, and guess what one of those people was the guy who basically came up with androids notification system. Google needs to stop being such pansies and sue apple. this is diffenetly stealing.
I find it funny that all these companies talk crap about android then go ahead and hire the founding developers. First rim then wp7 and now apple, stealing devs and androids os features.
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God can't the IPhone and Android just coexist?
IPhone is an awesome device... Ushured in the Smartphone era to the masses. Still the smoothest most elegant interface in the industry. A work of art,....as are Ipods and Mac's. Ton of respect for those products. Give credit where credit is due.
Android remains my OS of choice for various reasons.
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God can't the IPhone and Android just coexist?
IPhone is an awesome device... Ushured in the Smartphone era to the masses. Still the smoothest most elegant interface in the industry. A work of art,....as are Ipods and Mac's. Ton of respect for those products. Give credit where credit is due.
Android remains my OS of choice for various reasons.
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Blah blah blah...listen...it's not that the two OS's can't co-exist.
In fact, it has NOTHING TO DO with the two OS's to begin with.
It has to do with Steve Jobs' attitude toward everything.
Everything he does is "revolutionary"
Everything everyone else does is "copying"
and worst of all
He think he "knows what's best" for people.
I don't even care about the OS, I won't even buy Apple products because of Apple's stance on everything.
I have my own parents [including the government now too] I don't need another one.
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God can't the IPhone and Android just coexist?
IPhone is an awesome device... Ushured in the Smartphone era to the masses. Still the smoothest most elegant interface in the industry. A work of art,....as are Ipods and Mac's. Ton of respect for those products. Give credit where credit is due.
Android remains my OS of choice for various reasons.
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I just threw up...
Screw apple and Steve Jobs. I hate that man, such a pompous pr*ck
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Goodbye ASUS and Android

No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
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I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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