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Nexus one exclusivity

Honestly I like being the only person I know that has a Nexus one. I'm not sure why some people are complaining about the Nexus one not getting the attention it deserves, i prefer to be the only person in my group of friends that have one because it makes me feel special :] lol and really though I don't want it to become the next Walmart of phones like the iphone. How do you all feel? Basically I like that the Nexus one is not in retail stores.

I'm not sure how the Nexus one is "exclusive".
It's available on both At&t and T-Mobile, even more than the iphone. It's just that not a lot of people want to buy an unsubsidized phone.

well I'm talking about the fact that it isn't in retail stores.

I don't want it to become the next Walmart of phones like the iphone.
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What exactly do you mean by that?
And I wish the Nexus one had a little more advertising, and was rolled out to other carriers faster. Everyone I know has still only ever heard of the Nexus one from me having it.
(I wish more people knew about the N1 while the Motorola Droid stole the spotlight)

What I mean is the iphone is so common it is basically the definition of a smart phone, don't get me wrong I want android to get publicity and gain fans, but I just like being one of the few that had one. To me the android os is more of a tech savvy phone while the iphone is mainstream.

Jackasaur said:
What I mean is the iphone is so common it is basically the definition of a smart phone, don't get me wrong I want android to get publicity and gain fans, but I just like being one of the few that had one. To me the android os is more of a tech savvy phone while the iphone is mainstream.
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Like what many said, it's probably because of advertising.
Because I don't think you need to be a tech geek to fully experience android. It's just that it's a lot more customizable. To me it's as easy to use as the iphone os.

Jackasaur said:
What I mean is the iphone is so common it is basically the definition of a smart phone, don't get me wrong I want android to get publicity and gain fans, but I just like being one of the few that had one. To me the android os is more of a tech savvy phone while the iphone is mainstream.
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The more N1 sales there are the more long term support it will get. I get a little worried about Google saying that its tired of dealing with whining customers and bad press and just drops the N1 completely to focus on Android...

Mokurex said:
Like what many said, it's probably because of advertising.
Because I don't think you need to be a tech geek to fully experience android. It's just that it's a lot more customizable. To me it's as easy to use as the iphone os.
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Yes, I know the iphone is a lot smoother and easier to use, and therefore it's a more mainstream device, but I know in the long run as Google gets going the Android OS will probably topple the iPhone OS, because the iPhone OS did have a bit more time than Android. We'll see though, I really hope Froyo makes android as smooth and responsive as a iPhone.

ap3604 said:
The more N1 sales there are the more long term support it will get. I get a little worried about Google saying that its tired of dealing with whining customers and bad press and just drops the N1 completely to focus on Android...
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I think that Google could do better in support for the Nexus one, I've walked around the boards on the Nexus one page and there doesn't seem to be much being resolved or fixed. I know Google is new to this, but eventually they'll get it right, lets just hope it'll happens soon.

Jackasaur said:
Yes, I know the iphone is a lot smoother and easier to use, and therefore it's a more mainstream device, but I know in the long run as Google gets going the Android OS will probably topple the iPhone OS, because the iPhone OS did have a bit more time than Android. We'll see though, I really hope Froyo makes android as smooth and responsive as a iPhone.
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LOL In my household, ASIDE from my N1, there are all the current flavors of iphone - 2G, 3G, and 3GS, and my Nexus One blows them all away in terms of smoothness, responsiveness, and speed, so I'm not sure what else you're wanting here. Even the iphone isn't as fast as its commercials would have you believe (go figure, eh?), but the Nexus One is handily faster.

MaximReapage said:
LOL In my household, ASIDE from my N1, there are all the current flavors of iphone - 2G, 3G, and 3GS, and my Nexus One blows them all away in terms of smoothness, responsiveness, and speed, so I'm not sure what else you're wanting here. Even the iphone isn't as fast as its commercials would have you believe (go figure, eh?), but the Nexus One is handily faster.
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Well I've owned 2 iPhones, and the smoothness I'm talking about is when you're moving from one home screen to another, and the responsiveness I'm talking about is sometimes the screen tweaks out and I have to put it to sleep and then it'll be fine. But Yeah I've compared the speed of my Nexus One with my friends iPhone 3GS, that thing is nothing compared to my N1. :]

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Jackasaur said:
Honestly I like being the only person I know that has a Nexus one. I'm not sure why some people are complaining about the Nexus one not getting the attention it deserves, i prefer to be the only person in my group of friends that have one because it makes me feel special :] lol and really though I don't want it to become the next Walmart of phones like the iphone. How do you all feel? Basically I like that the Nexus one is not in retail stores.
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What to do? Google is not big on mainstream advertising. I guess hope rested on word of mouth within the tech community. Most tech outlets covered the phone, again just limited reach.

I love the "exclusivity"! A lot of people who I've encoutnered are always like "woah! is that a nexus one?!"
The Nexus One is like a mythical creature; a lot of people have heard about it, but not many people know how to capture/get one.
Back in the day, the iPhone used to be the epitome of all great phones, but now everyone has one so no one really cares anymore

r34p3rex said:
I love the "exclusivity"! A lot of people who I've encoutnered are always like "woah! is that a nexus one?!"
The Nexus One is like a mythical creature; a lot of people have heard about it, but not many people know how to capture/get one.
Back in the day, the iPhone used to be the epitome of all great phones, but now everyone has one so no one really cares anymore
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I know right? lol Whenever I meet someone they are always like "Dude let my see that wallpaper thing where you can press on it and colors shoot out" people see it on Youtube, but never played with one, so I like being the guy that has a Nexus one instead of an iPhone like all my other friends

I'd like to be one of the few to own a Nexus One but this has a downside. Less people owning it means lesser development of apps....

faraz1992 said:
I'd like to be one of the few to own a Nexus One but this has a downside. Less people owning it means lesser development of apps....
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And lesser chance of future support...

faraz1992 said:
I'd like to be one of the few to own a Nexus One but this has a downside. Less people owning it means lesser development of apps....
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This makes no sense whatsoever. Android is not based off of simply one phone, it is an ecosystem of phones. One Android device not getting as much attention as the other will not effect the speed at which the market grows.
Then there is the fact the Google has been passing out this phone to developers for quite some time, popular apps such as "SkyFire" are demoed on the Nexus. Along with things like Flash. Hypothetically, it is Google's Android Developer Phone 3.. well 2 I believe.

I got a colleague who's pretty sick of his iphones. Been jailbreaking the **** out of them and he's totally bored. Kept giving me those "I'm sick of iphone and u got a cool nexus one" looks. Mwahahaha.
But seriously, I hope Google doesn't cast the Nexus One aside anytime in the near future.

God I'm sick of reading posts about the Nexus One being "phased out" on here. To the people that just bought their first smartphone, and want it to last for (at least) a year, maybe you're better off going to the Apple camp.
And why are people *****ing about "support"? We will be getting Android updates... Plus we have warranties no matter what new phones Google releases...
/facepalm

A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"

A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
I hope I will be forgiven for a bit of an off-topic here, but since there is much, much comparison between iPhone and Nexus, and selling models of both phones differ so much, here it is:
Analyst Says iPhone Users Experiencing Stockholm Syndrome
A bizarre report from Strand Consult, an analyst firm in Denmark, has likened the relationship iPhone users have with their iPhone to Stockholm Syndrome:
When we examine the iPhone users’ arguments defending the iPhone, it reminds us of the famous Stockholm Syndrome – a term that was invented by psychologists after a hostage drama in Stockholm. Here hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing, by defending the people that had held them hostage for 6 days.
….Below is a selection of some of the arguments that various hard-core iPhone fanatics have been using since the iPhone initially launched:
1. The first iPhone was not a 3G phone: What do you need 3G for? You can easily use the iPhone without using a 3G network and anyway, 3G is not particularly widespread, so this is not a problem.
2. The phone cannot send MMS: There is no need to send MMSs, hardly anybody sends MMSs.
3. You cannot forward a SMS: This is a function that hardly anybody uses and was therefore not included in the first iPhones.
4. The phone has a poor camera: The built-in camera is perfectly adequate and the iPhone takes fantastic photos with its camera.
The report lists 20 iPhone flaws and purported defenses by iPhone owners and comes to the conclusion that the real reason for the popularity of the iPhone is because the people that bought one will go to great lengths to justify their purchase, even lying to others:
In reality the iPhone is surrounded by a multitude of people, media and companies that are happy to bend the truth to defend the product they have purchased from Apple.
Personally, I find the whole idea that that the iPhone is holding me against my will preposterous. I mean, sure, I signed a two-year contract that I really didn’t want, but it’s not like I’m stuck in some kind of walled garden or anything. In a real hostage situation, the hostage taker would control what you see and hear, and it’s not like that with Apple, right? And there’s no one demanding money, like, say $175, to free me from the iPhone or the two-year contract. Nope, I love my captor, I mean, my iPhone.
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Original: http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/12/13/analyst-says-iphone-users-experiencing-stockholm-syndrome/
DISCLAIMER: This is for laughs and giggles only, by reading this you agree that you are not an apple fanboy and will take this article not as means to defend The Sacred Apple, but as a funny anecdote. Chronic flamers need not bother.

This is actually pretty funny. The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.

lol, Good one...like the disclaimer

galaxys said:
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!

spidermonkeyrob said:
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
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Lol good one there

faria said:
Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is

I just got done reading the article from the link. This reminds me of this arguement I had with an iphone user on youtube. I was explaining how the N1 was a better phone overall to him and this was one of his responses to one of my comments. I remember it like it was yesterday. The guy was an asshole too.
"Why would I need a voice-to-text feature when I can type XXX words every minute???"
*sarcasm* I would love to see this guy work his fingers that fast as his car is driving off a cliff. Dont text and drive kids.

i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.

spidermonkeyrob said:
The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
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Yeah, locked for $700.
This article touched on SO many good points about how Apple has changed their tune on tons of different features. My favorites include...
-MMS, not needed because you can use email (but the email client will resize your images to VGA/MMS quality anyway, fixed in 4.0).
-Apps/App Store, web apps are the future!
-Multitasking, unnecessary and excluded to improve stability, then push notifications were satisfactory, now multitasking is being added in 4.0.
-3G, drains way too much battery life so it's not needed...until we release another phone to sell you next year.
But my favorite of them all? PRICE. The original 8gb, EDGE-only iPhone sold for $599 on a two-year contract.
crazy talk said:
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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...unless they're talking about Windows Mobile. Really, I don't care what your background is. 6.5 and below is absolute garbage, lest HTC and everyone else wouldn't be trying to cover it with different UI layers, nor Microsoft ditching the framework altogether for Windows Phone 7.

We are all fan boys to a certain extent. I'm sure many of you (including me) will defend the nexus against some other device. We might have different limits, but the behavior is the same in every one of us.
Lets be realistic, we love our devices no matter what choice we made.
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.

Yeah, I do the same with my Nexus One :
For some reason I can't send MMS, but hey, who needs MMS anyway ?
Games definitely sucks compared to what you have on an iPhone... but you don't buy a phone to play games, do you ?
Sound quality sucks... but I have a DAP so i don't listen to music on my Nexus One.
The screen is almost unusable in direct sunlight... but I almost always use it indoors.
The truth is, once you bought an expensive device, either you don't like it and you return it, or you like it enough to keep it and you start convincing yourself that it doesn't have any flaws, or that its flaws are not really important.
And I do like my N1 more than enough to forget its flaws =)

lorin.bute said:
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
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You'd better believe the psychologists, at least some of them might know your nature more than you know yourself. Here is one that explains this point, for example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html

So the point is that we should have less choice so we can be happy with the only thing we have? "Yeah, right!"
This doesn't make any sense to me. While he might be right, i do believe in being able to choose.

Come on guys, we all know Apple rules. Just check out this latest article from Gizmodo (lol):
http://gizmodo.com/5545711/dear-steve-has-google-leapfrogged-apple
Dear Steve, Has Google Leapfrogged Apple?
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Here's what Steve Jobs thinks of our thoughts of Google leapfrogging Apple:
Dear Steve,
Have you read this Gizmodo article? What are your thoughts on it? Do you believe Google is surpassing you guys or do you believe something different? What do you plan on doing if Google is surpassing Apple?
Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
Brian
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Steve Jobs wrote:
Not a chance.
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The "leapfrogged Apple" article is actually pretty good; check it out here:
http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple

The only thing worse than the supposed Apply fanbois (which to be honest I don't really notice) are the Apple hatebois. I really don't understand what all the hate towards the iPhone (and now iPad) is about. I think it's a pretty good product, personally.
I'd much rather see people with iPhones than BlackBerry's. Nothing annoys me more than being "out of the loop" because everyone I know uses BBM almost exclusively for communications. If RIM made phones that I actually wanted to use it wouldn't be such a problem, but as it stands they lock everyone in with services like that and then produce lackluster consumer products. Rumor has it that iPhone OS 4 will have iChat functionality built in, which likely means native Google Talk support!
Google Talk good, BBM bad.

Re: A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
Omg, the wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started =)
It's just a funny article. You don't see nexus fans flame over Onion News' video of "google whispering ads to your ear". If you can't take the sarcasm, maybe there is a reason why you're so defensive =)

The wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started? Someone says they think a product is decent and to you its a declaration of war? I think that's the problem. There seems to be no middle ground any more. You either have to agree to hate Apple, or risk being branded a mindless drone caught in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.

PrawnPoBoy said:
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Yeah, I agree =) I guess that puts me in the middle ground.

galaxys said:
Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
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Nice to see you too! I m getting a Desire in the end of the month but my love for windows mobile will never end.
to everyone else;
I like the I-phone very much,but hate when a company wants to tell me what is best for me or what i can or cannot do.In short i hate arrogant people.
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.

faria said:
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
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Yeah, I think you hit the spot there. It may actually have nothing to do with the device itself, it's the attitude and the ignorance. You'd think that spending $500+ for a phone, people would research and educate themselves a bit about the alternatives, pros and cons.. yet iphone users (I'm sorry, it's true) very often do not. The reasons for that are a separate topic. Mostly, the salesguy at AT&T (or coworker/friend/media) just told them it's the best, so it must be the best.
It'd be hard to find nexus one user who didn't make any research before buying it. Maybe that's why they didn't sell as many . I betcha vast majority of nexus users know all about Nexus' pros and cons.
Imo, that is the main reason for all this fighting. iPhone itself just got caught in the middle.

Is Android Unstoppable?

Thought I might share an article that has some World Smartphone Market Share Charts, and where that 885% increase we have seen recently came from. The article itself is a good read if anyone is interested in reading it.
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/08/03/is-android-unstoppable/
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Yup, it's unstoppable, until Google grow too big & too arrogant (like all other big corporations...)
'till then love it!
Lodger

Hey! Android is beating apple now! But apple will probably get ahead again when the iPhone 4S gets a small "revolutionary" upgrade to the front facing camera

I love Android as much as the next person, but remember the number of products that run the Android OS compared to the Apple OS. How do you think it would be if there were as many different Apple products that could run the OS as there are that run Android?

It doesn't matter how many they sell..... it's still beating it out. It might be 1 phone but is being manufactured just like all the rest in the same quanitity.

Rudreax said:
I love Android as much as the next person, but remember the number of products that run the Android OS compared to the Apple OS. How do you think it would be if there were as many different Apple products that could run the OS as there are that run Android?
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And who's fault is that? Apple's. Apple doesn't allow others to use their software and that's why they won't ever sell the most.

Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...

If android only had one device they would still be where they are at

theartfullodger said:
Yup, it's unstoppable, until Google grow too big & too arrogant (like all other big corporations...)
'till then love it!
Lodger
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How could Google be any bigger short of overtaking Poland right now?

No mobile OS is unstoppable. Android may be doing extremely well right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get knocked down into oblivion. I don't think it'll happen. But that doesn't mean that this current sales boom is going to continue on forever.

thepawn said:
Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
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The cell provider is limited in the US but pretty much everyone carriers it outside. Here in Canada for example, Fido/Rogers/Telus/Bell/Virgin all carry the iPhone.

seeking said:
If android only had one device they would still be where they are at
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Lol, no it wouldn't.
obstacles can kill said:
No mobile OS is unstoppable. Android may be doing extremely well right now but that doesn't mean that they can't get knocked down into oblivion. I don't think it'll happen. But that doesn't mean that this current sales boom is going to continue on forever.
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Not necessarily. Every mobile OS up to this point has been essentially a one company, one software scenario.
Android is much more flexible in terms of staying up to date with usage trends. If developers start moving in one direction, android by nature will follow that direction. iOS, winmo, blackberry attempt to monetize the OS.
What makes the open nature of android so great is that it gets small independent developers involved. Those are the real people who allow for progression in OSes.
You have knockoff phones running android 2.1. That's a great boon for android.

ExtraDas said:
How could Google be any bigger short of overtaking Poland right now?
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Sigh! Well, see at
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2010/full_list/index.html
Google doesn't even make the top 100 corporations by sales volume (yup, I know, there are many other ways of comparing corporations...)
Cheers!
Lodger

theartfullodger said:
Sigh! Well, see at
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2010/full_list/index.html
Google doesn't even make the top 100 corporations by sales volume (yup, I know, there are many other ways of comparing corporations...)
Cheers!
Lodger
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No offense to you, but i dont believe cnn money is a trustable source of information anymore, especially not after the butchering of that last survey. Cnn money is no more trustworthy in my mind as The Inquirer is.

Blueman101 said:
No offense to you, but i dont believe cnn money is a trustable source of information anymore, especially not after the butchering of that last survey. Cnn money is no more trustworthy in my mind as The Inquirer is.
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Sigh!
OK brother, yup, CNN are untrustworthy b******s but see at...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_revenue
Google doesn't even make the top 186... (which ends with Commerzbank with revenues of $40B US compared with Google's revenues of some $23.651B US see
http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
making Google less than 6% of Walmart's revenues ....
Cheers!
Lodger
PS Yup, I know, WikiP is known is some circles as WrongiPedia but come on....
PPS But, yes, Google will grow 'n grow.. which was my original point....

thepawn said:
Android will do very well as its becoming so widespread.
I think the amazing thing to me in that chart is that Apple has that level of penetration with only 3 phones, and limited cell-providers (1 in the US, etc)...
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The userbase started back in 2007 though I don't think Android really made a push until last year (after the first generation of Android phones)

JCopernicus said:
Not necessarily. Every mobile OS up to this point has been essentially a one company, one software scenario.
Android is much more flexible in terms of staying up to date with usage trends. If developers start moving in one direction, android by nature will follow that direction. iOS, winmo, blackberry attempt to monetize the OS.
What makes the open nature of android so great is that it gets small independent developers involved. Those are the real people who allow for progression in OSes.
You have knockoff phones running android 2.1. That's a great boon for android.
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You're right in everything that you said. But that still doesn't mean it's unstoppable. While the chance of Android losing its momentum anytime soon is extremely unlikely, it can still happen. Depending on who you ask, you can be told that Windows Mobile was "unstoppable" at a point or that Maemo was the new up and coming that was going to make an impact. And of course, a great example would be s60 which many thought was the next "number one".
I love my Android. My Nexus One is my baby, I've got a 6" Andy decal on my car, and a smaller one on my laptop. But we gotta be real here. Nothing in the mobile game is truly unstoppable. That includes Android and iOS.

of course it would

Android phones outsell iPhone 2-to-1

source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Apple is getting the same treatement as before, they open the market and gets beaten by the "open" side!
Android FTW!

AllGamer said:
source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...ones_outsell_iPhone_2_to_1_says_research_firm
now that is music to my ears
Take that apple!
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Analysts explained the Android boom by pointing out the plethora of manufacturers that equip their smartphones with Google's mobile operating system, and highlighting their availability on all the major U.S. carriers.
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It was bound to happen sooner or later.

why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it

mike.sw said:
why does it makes you so happy? i just dont get it
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Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
So this news makes the same sense as saying that BMW has a much higher market share than Porsche.

but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...

lemmy_0 said:
but did you know that apple had their highest revenue last quarter?
but it includes all their products, with the highest percentage from IPAD.
their iphone sales also is of high numbers.
they just have really good marketing that people(with no technical experience mostly) tend to buy them forgetting their flaws.
not that our phones don't...
as was stated by XQC, selling more android phones than iphones is surely because there are a lot more manufacturers that offer it to the public.
of course, I really would want to see apple's sales decline in the near future...
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That doesn't mean much.. It actually turns out that RIM had it's biggest earnings too, as well as many other companies. In fact, RIM reckons Apple used earlier figures from other companies during their bragging, which is why they appeared so awesome. in comparison to other companies.
It's more likely iPhone sales are slowing down at the moment, and Apple simply gained bigger profits per device during that period.
The reality is,

Well to be fair apple only has 1/2 iphones out vs 10bilion android phones, and they're just so much more profitable because their current customers would probably still buy the new iphone even if it was $1000. They just have such a high retention rate, and keep getting new customers who want apple because their products look nice, and they have been told it's easier to use.
They get incredible word of mouth advertising from their customers.
And i mean, every company use weird numbers for their competition, but it seems very clear to me that apple is very dirty with this (i.e: device activation vs android...)

I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones

lifeisjustgreat said:
this is because the fruit yet to show its true color!
lets see what happen in 2011 with this:
http://www.examiner.com/iphone-games-in-long-island/apple-ordeing-25-million-verizon-iphones
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This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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XQC said:
BTT:
Well, Android vs. iPhone marketshare doesn't say anything really. I mean, Apple is competing with four iOS devices against (insert number here) Android devices. And now there are only 3GS and 4 available at high prices, whereas Android devices are much more affordable.
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Exactly - the news posted in the first post mean... nothing or at least nothing good for Android-based smartphones, because Apple holds 1/3 of the market whilst 2/3 belongs to the number of other brands.
This is the reason they had the best revenue ever.
Anyway I can't understand one thing. Why people still want to pay huge amount of money for Apple devices (average price of iPhone 4 16GB is 1.3-1.5 times higher than SGS 16GB).
I know that owning a device with beaten apple logo makes people dignified, maybe that's it...
I am an open adversary of Apple because of their policies - as far as I can remember you need a MacOS-family system to develop applications for iOS.
Android apps may be developed under any OS.
Correct me if I am wrong.
To square up I would hardcode a 'feature' for the Eclipse ADT plugin to make it not working with MacOS versions of Eclipse
Sincerely,
Android Dev

ca7846 said:
This doesn't explain how android dominate in other country than us.
World best ufc champion can not win a fight against 5 people. Even kindergartners can figure that out.
Btw apple is not worlds best champion in any way. Just used that analogy to prove a point.
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other than US, which country android has domination ? at least not here in my country as i see all are fruits around. many still do not know what android is.
btw, i am in singapore.

Sweet! but it was inevitable to begin with...

ca7846 said:
I an happy because apple slowing down and android rise means I can choose from many manufacturers.
Also apple is distorting consumer which has to be stopped. Their success is due to extensive advertisement which portrayed apple product users as trendy and cool. That's cheap way to sell product. Also they focus more on looks than quality which will degrade quality of the product and consumer's expectation overall. For example nano has one of the worst sound quality yet it is dominating mp3. As more nano is being sold, consumers care less about sound quality which in fact is the most important for mp3... And quality of mp3 in general has gone down for all mp3. Same applies to phone. People are happily buying phone that drops call.... People are starting not to care what's important and are just trying to be cool....
These were what apple was doing over past few years. I an very happy to see that it is finally ending..
I am sensing apple's draconian era coming down and era where users can voice and innovate is coming. These all makes me happy
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Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).

nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
XQC said:
Because everybody wants to make sure that they bought the best smartphone of the universe, therefore they need constant reassurances like this, so that there is no need for any fear or envy.
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TNStrangelove said:
Apple is the first and only company to use marketing to portray their products as "trendy or cool"
Also a lot of people buy apple products because many of them buy Apple products because *gasp* they like the products, the iPhone 4 is a very good product, the antenna issue is not as big a deal as some people want it to be.
The sound quality of an nano is more than good enough for most people, most people can't (and don't want to) tell the difference between two different mp3 players. Their quality control when it comes to interface has been way higher than android (though android is catching up).
Despite what android fan-boys want to believe they have been an incredibly innovative company over the last few years and the high controls they have over their products does have it's advantages (disadvantages as well of course).
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Thanks for your reply. You have just confirmed my argument about apple's distortion by being a prime example.
How a phone is good quality if it can't make call? What is the PHONE? What you are saying is that "hey that car got a good design both exterior and interior, nice wheels, spacious room. It's a good quality even though it can't run." Yes it might not happen to everybody. However, would you purchase that car if you had the prior knowledge that the car have a chance that it might not run? You did for iphone...
This is apple's distortion. They are good at interface and some cool features, I admit that. Users are clouded by these features, and design so they start not to care about what's really important. The phone has to be able to make a phone call. A phone having a slight chance of not able to make a phone call is simply unacceptable. Just as car with malfunctioning engine is not acceptable.
I have other arguments about nano and extensive advertisement, but they are irrelevant to this forum so I will stop here.
BTW I am not an android fan boy. I am just anti-apple. I am using android because I am not distorted by apple.

for a good laugh heres the Android vs Iphone cartoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM
* i absolutely despise iphones with a passion, the only apple product i currently hold is an ipod nano. I bought it because of formfactor (slim) specifications. Which is also the reason i bought the SGS, cause there both slim.

Well, it surely is good to see people not blinded by the fruit!
I too despise the iDevice with a passion, but the main reason I like that Android outsells iPhone is because it will bring more apps, more developpers, more choice, more for us!

AllGamer said:
nothing to do with that really.
it's just sad to see all your family and friends want to buy an iphone just because it's an iphone
it's like you see your friends being brainwashed and you can't do crap about it, to stop them from being sheeps taken to the cull
many times i ask my customers or friends "why do you need to buy an iphone?"
the typical answer is "i don't know, it's cool" ....
then another relevant question to bring out the light
"what are you going to do with the iphone" typical answer "duh, what do you use a phone for? make phone calls, and listen to music"
then i go "that's my point, any phone can do that now in days, why does it needs to be an iphone?" ... their answer again "i dunno"
i give that to apple, they have a very good marketing team, that knows how to brainwash people without them even knowing it... sigh... -_-
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and this is not a brainwash?
i often ask people why they want android... you know the answers right?
1) it's not apple
2) it's "open"
LOL.
of-course android is outselling ios.
apple never try to dominate the market.
apple does make some good things and all this smartphone touchscreen market is pretty much invented by apple.

Just another point of view

First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.

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First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.
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I don't know why would set yourself up to get flamed on this because you know its gonna happen, but whatever floats your boat. I'm not gonna hate on you for liking Apple but I do think that you missed a few things.
-Android is more customizable since it is open source.
-The majority of Apples product line is not better priced than its competitor's.
-The specs on Apples stuff becomes outdated very quickly, many times you can buy something non-apple cheaper that is spec wise a lot better and it won't cost your near as much.
The only things that I can agree with you on is that yes Apple design is better, and also the support for their products is much better, but with a significant price difference usually.
I think it really comes down to preference in the end. IMHO people fall in love with Apple products because they are easier to use, there is not a lot of complication in doing some things. IOS vs. Android, you have the people who want to be able to have a smartphone and dig the ease of things in IOS, then you have Android which is more complicated but you can do a lot more with it. So you could call the IPhone the smartphone for "dummies" and then Android is for the more tech advanced crowd that likes to customize everything to how they want it. I am not trying to step on anyone here but, that is just how I see it and I think many others would agree.
PS- I am not here to argue about which is better, so if your gonna start trying to flame on me don't expect another post from me.

What's with all these random threads?
****, you're cluttering up the forums!
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What a snorefest. I hope you guys have fun arguing the same **** over and over.
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Mods, please close this thread so the troll can stop eating.

I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.

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I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.
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not true.. because pricing has not officially announced.

I don't get why people "hate" anything product related. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Saying anything sucks without owning one for a long period of time is just people being petty, immature, and possibly jealous.
It's one thing to be brand loyal, but don't be a moron about it. Think about if everything were the same. It would suck. The fact that there are different brands and items is a good thing. We should want more diversity, not less.

I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business. It doesn't appeal to me. They lie about the competition, present the worst case scenario as the norm, lock everything down, and charge a premium for cosmetic differences.
I could buy a Mac Pro laptop for $1200 or I could buy an Asus laptop with the same specs PLUS an iPad or Galaxy Tab for the same price. It's not worth it to me to have an aluminum case and a slightly better fit and finish. For some folks it is worth it. People buy Mercedes and BMW and that's their business. I just don't like the implication that unless you buy into their closed ecosystem you are stuck with something that is falling apart and complete garbage. There's always something in between the bargain basement crap and the fancy boutique offering.
Xoom has a bit higher specs than the iPad 2 but yeah, it's a bit overpriced. The thing is, it's not just Apple that prices high when something is new. The Viewsonic G-Tablet has almost identical specs to the iPad 2 and it's $400. As the market heats up there should be plenty of $500 tablets.
And they *will* do more to replace a laptop. They run all kinds of apps from any app store, not only the Apple or Google or whoever approved store. They don't block competing tech like Flash which is used on a ton of web apps. Not everyone wants to sacrifice capability just so things are idiot-simple.
This is the only time when I really get annoyed at Apple. They make certain simple things sound so hard in order to sell their products. Rather than spending 15 minutes to learn valuable computer skills, they'll just take away options and charge you for the privilege. Screw that. Paying extra so I don't have to think is not a good thing and the idea that it is a good thing irritates the crap out of me. People are way too eager to open their wallets to avoid using their brains as it is. On a personal level that annoys me.
If you think I'm too stupid to decide what apps to install or what kinds of things I want to run on the devices I can buy, then you can do without my stupid money.
Anyway that's all personal ranting. There's always a market for people with more cash than time or effort. It's legit. It's just not the only way to look at things and it's not for me. I like to bargain shop, compare features/specs, and go for bang to buck ratio. That's just not usually an option with Apple.
Besides all of my personal preferences, I don't really give a crap where other people spend their money. As long as there are options that suit me better I am happy. Tech geeks can argue about why they make the choices they do all day. It's our hobby to research and compare so we stand behind our decisions. It can get irrational and I'm no better. In the end it's just consumer electronics made by greedy corporations and they will probably all gain sentience and kill us all anyway.

^ This guy
Couldn't have said it better

neodorian said:
I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business.
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This. Although I am posting this from one of my 2 macbook pros. As a designer, I can't get used to Windows, but the above applies to the rest of their business.

Digging deep in my fail bank today. These threads are getting a little crazy today.

****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.

joehunni said:
****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.
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I agree with this. Let's not forget this is an Evo forum, for discussion of the Evo. Let's not clutter it up with threads of non-relevant devices. There's an off-topic thread if you want to do that.

Wow, so silly. You are a troll, speaking in absolutes, and without facts.
The xoom 32gb wifi + 3g that is 800 has a slightly larger screen, and is upgradeable to 4g for no additional cost.
The ipad2 32gb wifi + 3g is 730.
If you are arguing options, that is one thing, but it doesn't make sense to compare different storage sizes and complain about the price difference.
If you took 4g out of the picture, the xoom 32gb would be cheaper than 800. Both are dual core. They are both simarly speced and priced products.

Since you asked, yes Apple has good products and eco systems. What I personally don't like are their practices which are worse than anything Microsoft ever done.

I hate Apple because they act as though customers are lucky to be holding one of their products in their hand instead of the company feeling lucky that they have the customer.

The only thing that apple does that I'd like to see other manufacturers do themselves is make near-perfect hardware. The build quality of apple products is without rival and I wish HTC would attempt to come close to that.