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Does Opera mobile run in the java applet on a PPC?? Also, does it allow you to view vidoes from websites like youtube??
Thanx
Opera and Java
My experience of using Opera mobile was that I couldn't view videos or operate java applets generally. I don't know of any browser that lets you do this. Be nice if someone could shed some light on how to.
I would also like to be able to stream from the bbc video/radio player effectively. I know you can download an old realplayer mobile CAB and get the radio that way but its too long-winded.
I failed to see the appeal of Opera - certainly wouldn't pay for it. I road-tested it for a week on my Vario II and it was not only slower than PIE but loaded up web pages FAR more erratically.
When opening new web pages Opera displays a constant trickle of downloaded data on the progress bar (in contrast ti PIE's stuttering progress bar) as a means of deceiving you into thinking it's loading up pages faster. In reality it isn't.
I had frequent problems of sign-in boxes not appearing on certain websites too.
Now I use the PIE + application instead - loads better (no pun intended!)
Be interested to hear other people's views on Opera - is it ****, or have i just not given it enough time?
And once again - how do we stream vids/media easily from Youtube/BBC!?!?!
someone must know.....
1) I think the OP was talking about Opera Mini. Opera Mini loads up in the Java Midlet Manager on your PPC. It is a very small very quick web browser that functions excellantly. It does NOT allow you to view basic flash content of any kind. It does a very good job of working quickly and displaying web pages well for a PPC.
2) Opera Mobile is an actual Windows Mobile application. I agree with mrleoni in the aspect that it is quite a bit slower then the built in PIE and it does not work nearly as well IMO. It gives the illusion of being faster, but when you figure in the lag in the app when it's loading web pages up, PIE is much faster. I also use the PIEplus add on for PIE and recommend it. It has some nice features that SHOULD have been built in to PIE but were not, and it just makes PIE that much easier to use.
For general web surfing I use Opera Mini most of the time. Some times I use PIE because I need to see animated gif files (radar) which Mini won't do, or see basic flash things... which brings me to my next point.
3) Flash/Youtube... There is a flash plugin for PIE on Windows Mobile. It will allow you to view/use flash animations. It's actually pretty neat. Nothing nerdier then watching home star runner on your PPC. But, it's like flash version 6 or something. Sites like Youtube stream their video over flash, but it's the latest flash... flash 9 or even 10 now I think. Therefore, there is no way (that I am aware at least) to stream sites like youtube to your PPC.
Final thoughts:
Don't get Opera Mini and Opera Mobile mixed up.
Mini = Java Browser, very fast, very good
Mobile = Windows Mobile Application, slow, laggy, not good
Thanx for the response guys. Yes, i was talking about Opera Mini. I think im gonna try it out. I need webpages to load faster. Even with an overclocked 8125, pages still seem to load kinda slow using PIEplus.
Sorry to get off topic but, how is Minimo compared to Opera Mini? Any faster?
freeyayo50 said:
Sorry to get off topic but, how is Minimo compared to Opera Mini? Any faster?
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The worst/slowest browser available!
Everything is better than Minimo! 8)
where can i find pie+? I've been using opera mobile for right now. I like it better than the original pie. but i would like to try it with that addon. I've tried searching the forums and the internet, but im not able to find it. Can someone point me in the right direction.
k2snowboards88 said:
where can i find pie+? I've been using opera mobile for right now. I like it better than the original pie. but i would like to try it with that addon. I've tried searching the forums and the internet, but im not able to find it. Can someone point me in the right direction.
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Here you go.
Cheers
hrb
http://www.reensoft.com/
GldRush98 said:
Mobile = Windows Mobile Application, slow, laggy, not good
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Let me disagree. Opera Mobile is still WAY faster than any other fully-fledged PPC browser. It can NOT be compred Opera Mini because the latter receives "dumbed-down" webpages.
Yes, I've thoroughly tested this and yes, I have numeric benchmark results to back up my claims: please see for example this.
k2snowboards88 said:
where can i find pie+? I've been using opera mobile for right now. I like it better than the original pie. but i would like to try it with that addon. I've tried searching the forums and the internet, but im not able to find it. Can someone point me in the right direction.
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In addition, check out my PIEPlus review if interested.
rottie said:
freeyayo50 said:
Sorry to get off topic but, how is Minimo compared to Opera Mini? Any faster?
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The worst/slowest browser available!
Everything is better than Minimo! 8)
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Not (necessarily) any more, I'd say. The latest versions of Minimo (I've tested the latest nighyly - make sure you always download the nightly builds, NOT the latest official version, which is some 3 months old and is considerably slower than nightly builds) are pretty usable. Not as quick as Opera Mobile, NetFront or even IEM, but pretty usable, particularly when you take into account that it's free (unlike Opera Mobile and NetFront).
I really recommend my comparisons of the available Web browsers on my blog (also cross-posted here on XDA-Dev in the General forum), it answers almost all questions asked in this thread (for example, Java support in borwsers, the difference between Opera Mini and Mobile etc)
Menneisyys said:
GldRush98 said:
Mobile = Windows Mobile Application, slow, laggy, not good
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Let me disagree. Opera Mobile is still WAY faster than any other fully-fledged PPC browser. It can NOT be compred Opera Mini because the latter receives "dumbed-down" webpages.
Yes, I've thoroughly tested this and yes, I have numeric benchmark results to back up my claims: please see for example this.
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That has not been my experience at all.
Some quick testing I just did:
Loading up app:
PIE Load time with PIEplus installed as well = 2 seconds
Opera Mobile load time = 11 seconds
Weatherunground animated radar:
PIE = 20 seconds
Opera = 23 seconds
xda-developers front page
PIE = 17 seconds
Opera = 20 seconds
My own forums, gldrush98.com/forum
PIE = 29 seconds
Opera = 50 seconds
hmm... so PIE is faster at the first 3 sites I tested.
And considering Opera doesn't understand how to handle tel: links, Opera can't save images, and it costs money, and don't even start on how it handles bookmarks (read: poorly)... I don't understand why anyone would say Opera is better. It's pretty much worse on all counts.
Don't get me wrong... I like Opera... Opera Mini is an amazing product and it's free. But Opera Mobile is less then impressive.
I will have to try out the nightly build of minimo though and see if it's better then the current official release.
alright, I've been playing around with the latest minimo nightly.
I must admit, I am impressed. It seems far better then I remember the current release being.
And it does understand tel: links. Very nice. It doesn't have a way to save images though, and it takes quite a bit of time to actually load the browser.
Out of all 3 browser I've played with, I'll admit that Opera did the best job of rendering the pages correctly for a small screen. But I still think PIE is the best choice, and with PIEplus, has matching features to others.
GldRush98 said:
Loading up app:
PIE Load time with PIEplus installed as well = 2 seconds
Opera Mobile load time = 11 seconds
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Yup, it's very slow to load.
Weatherunground animated radar:
PIE = 20 seconds
Opera = 23 seconds
xda-developers front page
PIE = 17 seconds
Opera = 20 seconds
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Thanks, interesting; I'll re-test these. (May be an AKU2 improvement? I'll re-run my tests.
I'm having problems with opera mobile - after using it for about 20 seconds or so, scrolling, or clicking links, it freezes and I have to close it. This is really inconvenient because now i have to use pocket ie . Alternatively, is there a hack to make the arrow buttons/d-pad scroll the page instead of the links? Or even better, grab and scroll like in opera? thanks
Why not just use opera mini? I pefer that to opera mobile personally
wshader said:
Why not just use opera mini? I pefer that to opera mobile personally
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same, plus opera mini works really well with teh herald.
Well i've never really been able to figure out mini, plus I don't like how it always brings up another window if you want to type in a website address...I've also found that mini unnecessarily takes up a lot of space on the screen and has unusable scroll bars. Also, when I go to live.com on mini, it also shows up in danish or something...
It all depends on the website loaded... My Titan slows down on pages flooded with a zillion images and the like...
That is with a 400Mhz chip...
Thing is, it slows down no matter what you're doing - it froze when I clicked on the address bar to type something a couple times...
also, is there a way to make PIE not scroll by links?
After paying for Opera mobile, I no longer use it. Its just too slow. It's a shame that pIE is faster than OM.
dkb218 said:
After paying for Opera mobile, I no longer use it. Its just too slow. It's a shame that pIE is faster than OM.
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Well i use Opera MObile 9.5.1 beta its very good and its free. I uploaded the cab for you guys.
EDIT: hmmm...upload is not working so i gave the link to the file instead.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643
I have been running the opera 9.5 that has been floating around these forums that was ripped from the diamond (not the beta from opera's website as it is much buggier), and running it on my wing works great without any lockups at all.
I do have my wing oc'd to 286, but I have tried it at 200 mhz and there wasn't much of a slow down.
Yes!!!! Finally... the java one was good, but had problems running on winmo.
Now... there's a real cab for it. yessss!!! I hate Opera Mobile and it's slowness. Finally!!
http://m.opera.com/next or http://www.opera.com/mini/next/
here is the cab
Okay, question. why use the mini 5, when you can use the opera mobile beta 10?
crusher11590 said:
Okay, question. why use the mini 5, when you can use the opera mobile beta 10?
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When i am in the many areas i go to where t-mobile is gprs here in Illinois, it will TOTALLY come in handy. Much faster!
Yeah it would definetly help if your boosting 2g gprs signal..
If your like me an run 3g most of the time, then opera beta 10 is the best
Just my opinion...
And it's quite faster than Opera Mobile. I'd like to make it default browser. I have already tried the registry settings, it won't work. Any ideas?
I love opera mini in general, but this version for some unknown reason cannot accept my facebook username and pass. Thus I cannot login to that page, it just keeps refreshing when I hit Login.
This is only in FB, in other pages that require logging in everything goes fine..
Anyone else experiencing this?
great browser but how do u open email links and bookmarks from outside the browser I click em and it just opens the browser start screen not the page I want!
I had to turn the password autosave off in the settings so facebook could acepted password.
This release is brilliant! It is great for multitasking, which is a huge plus. Is there a way to make it the new default browser? (for opening links out of other applications, in my case MoTweets?
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I had to turn the password autosave off in the settings so facebook could acepted password.
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No problem here logging into faecesbook, but I don't think I've tried logging back into it yet.
I've never used Opera Mini, but it is pretty nice.. It doesn't draw very well though, I've tried several sites and it looks really bad.. Like http://geocaching.com the site is kind of organized in columns and the columns are quite narrow, and winds up drawing on top of itself.
Opera 10 beta 3 launched Veeeryy slow. It was the only reason for me , for deleting it for ever. Im going to try out the mini version.. thanks for the hint
I have installed opera mini 5 now, but on some pages, like
www.openingstijden.nu or m.opentot.nl it doesnt give any search Results.. can somebody test and confirm this please.
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Okay, question. why use the mini 5, when you can use the opera mobile beta 10?
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Because this version doesnt eat up 90% of the device's resources to run. I am constantly amazed that people use opera beta 10. You can run opera beta 10 and sense UI.... THATS IT. try to run anything else and your system starts complaining about memory.
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Because this version doesnt eat up 90% of the device's resources to run. I am constantly amazed that people use opera beta 10. You can run opera beta 10 and sense UI.... THATS IT. try to run anything else and your system starts complaining about memory.
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I don't know what ROM you're running but I'm running WM 6.1 and when I run Opera 10, my ram is at 61 percent. I have no trouble running multiple apps when it's running.
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I don't know what ROM you're running but I'm running WM 6.1 and when I run Opera 10, my ram is at 61 percent. I have no trouble running multiple apps when it's running.
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I think that Opera 10 (and other versions of the "full" client) suffer more from the resource drain experienced overall in 6.5 vs 6.1; I'm running 6.1 as well, and I can run opera 10 and a bunch of other stuff (text, gmaps, music, etc) all at the same time.
Also, anybody using Opera 10 on 6.5 should try running the dynamic proxy resource and nopushinternet cabs to address memory use.
eff this thing! I cannot log into ANY websites, redbox, netflix, CAG..nothing that I have to input a user name or password and check a box to remember me. I guess I'll try to play w/ the 'save password' settings, but I'm back to using Skyfire until I figure it out..argh!!
To anyone using Mini: I know we all want to browse the web that looks mostly the same as on our home computers, and often that's nice, but try browsing with Mini in "Mobile View". It's really the best way to experience the web in Mini, it renders almost everything really nicely, no need for panning and zooming, you just scroll down the page in 1 direction and never miss anything. It's very nice and quick and easy for reading newsites and long articles and things like that.
I use Mini for this type of quick browsing and Mobile for anything more "heavy duty", it's a nice combo.
I would really like to set Opera Mini 5 as my default browser. If any one finds a solution please update this thread for all of us.
I can´t see youtube in opera . I installed flash lite 3.1
and nothing i applied the fixOperaFlash v1.5.4.0 with the latest fixOperaFlash.ini
replaced on \windows and nothing any suggestion?
Thank you
field3d said:
I can´t see youtube in opera . I installed flash lite 3.1
and nothing i applied the fixOperaFlash v1.5.4.0 with the latest fixOperaFlash.ini
replaced on \windows and nothing any suggestion?
Thank you
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I could never get Flash working in Opera, until I got Opera 10. Now it works on most sites, and works great on YouTube, especially when switching to fullscreen! I still prefer to use the YouTube app though.
Ok
Ok now for install opera 10 i need to uninstall fix opera and flash lite?
And where can i see more how to install about opera 10 installation. Thank you
field3d said:
Ok now for install opera 10 i need to uninstall fix opera and flash lite?
And where can i see more how to install about opera 10 installation. Thank you
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I wouldn't worry about uninstalling the flash stuff you've already installed. If you do want to do it then they should be in your "remove programs" list (Settings, Menu, All Settings, System, Remove Programs).
You can find out all you need about Opera 10 from http://m.opera.com
The only thing you need to remember is that you must turn on plugins when you've installed it, otherwise Flash won't work.
Can someone tell me
1. What are the major benefits between the version of Opera Mobile currently on the HD2 and this latest Opera Mobile version
2. Sam as above but major differences between Opera Mobile and Opera Mini
I am considering Opera mini as a fellow HD2 user states it is so much better than Opera Mobile
Many Thanks
thank you
thank you for all i´ll check that
Opera Mobile 10 is pretty much identical to opera mini now. But Mini runs inside java virtual machine, so no fullscreen, doesn't really like being put in the background, need to confirm connection each time you launch it,... so Mobile 10 is preferable. If you turn on Turbo mode it uses the server based rendering like mini.
Just try it and you'll see... personally I don't like the lack of pinch to zoom and somewhat broken zoom in OM10, so I stay with the default OM9.7.
I am using Opera 10 and i have turned on the plugins. I have also instaled flash lite 3.1 on my Asus P565. I can see some of the videos on youtube (not m.youtube) but not all of them.
Can you see all of the videos ?
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Opera Mobile 10 is pretty much identical to opera mini now. But Mini runs inside java virtual machine, so no fullscreen, doesn't really like being put in the background, need to confirm connection each time you launch it,... so Mobile 10 is preferable. If you turn on Turbo mode it uses the server based rendering like mini.
Just try it and you'll see... personally I don't like the lack of pinch to zoom and somewhat broken zoom in OM10, so I stay with the default OM9.7.
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Thanks, so is often the case new technology is often promoted with a one sided view i.e. all the benefits but not the delta changes (negatives). So I won't be going Opera Mini.
Turbo mode would be nice but losing a good zoom in feature means I'll also stick to what I have. Is this lower zoom capability by design or a bug (i.e. might be fixed one day)?
kilrah said:
Opera Mobile 10 is pretty much identical to opera mini now. But Mini runs inside java virtual machine, so no fullscreen, doesn't really like being put in the background, need to confirm connection each time you launch it,... so Mobile 10 is preferable. If you turn on Turbo mode it uses the server based rendering like mini.
Just try it and you'll see... personally I don't like the lack of pinch to zoom and somewhat broken zoom in OM10, so I stay with the default OM9.7.
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Opera Mini isn't Java anymore
http://m.opera.com/?act=lp&tag=mini5wm&cert=®ion=&rnd=2117407909
How set the reg to active the zoombar in the opera mini5?
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Why are you using Opera Mini 5? you have a Touch 2 not an old LG, get updated to Opera Mobile 10.
Opera mobile 10 also can not use the zoombar in touch2!
Try Skyfire, may be you can use it in it.
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Opera mobile 10 also can not use the zoombar in touch2!
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I didnt say it could
but honestly, if an app designed specifically for windows mobile doesnt use the htc zoombar what chance do you have of getting opera 5 using it?
Oh, yeah I forgot about Skyfire.
Uppy said:
Why are you using Opera Mini 5? you have a Touch 2 not an old LG, get updated to Opera Mobile 10.
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hereby i have a question and a problem. i downloaded opera mobile 10 and set it as default browser of my touch 2 but since the old version is still in my device, whenever i try to use internet it leads me to the old opera.
the old version is located in the ROM and i can't find a way to remove it. does anybody know how to remove it or a way to upgrade it instead of installing another opera (opera mobile 10)?
Zoom bar not working in opera mini and opera 10
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Zoom bar not working in opera mini and opera 10
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Really, damn i didnt know that Try skyfire.
The zoom bar only works in the stock opera 9 from the default roms afaik.
I still run opera mini 5 because its just so much faster than the rest, including mobile 10.