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Yay for my local Verizon dealer, who made good on his promise and sold me 2 Xooms today.
Initial impressions are very good... but with only 7 apps in the Android Market for tablets, the community clearly has a long way to go.
Here's your fun fact so far: there's an LED near the Verizon logo that blinks when you get a notification.
Now, if you wouldnt mind... could you not play with it at all for the next 12 hours and just have it run a video loop while connected to 3g and wifi to guage the battery?
Come on, think of the service that you'll be providing. We'd totally owe you one.
Are you able to download normal apps not made for tablets?
Or are you limited to only applications for tablets in the Market?
alee said:
Yay for my local Verizon dealer, who made good on his promise and sold me 2 Xooms today.
Initial impressions are very good... but with only 7 apps in the Android Market for tablets, the community clearly has a long way to go.
Here's your fun fact so far: there's an LED near the Verizon logo that blinks when you get a notification.
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Did you confirm what we heard that if you purchase through a VZ store no activation is required?
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Are you able to download normal apps not made for tablets?
Or are you limited to only applications for tablets in the Market?
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For now, you can sideload apps via the browser, but you need to go to Settings > Applications and check off Unknown sources.
For whatever reason, I can see some, but not all the Market apps. Compatibility flag maybe? Went looking for Beejive and it didn't show up. Might need to be updated to use the Honeycomb APIs?
I notice the apple bluetooth keyboard... does that work with it?
I only ask because I have one and sometimes I know apple products can be sort of a b#$^@ when it comes to connecting to off-apple brand items.
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Did you confirm what we heard that if you purchase through a VZ store no activation is required?
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I was getting contracts for both, so I didn't ask.
Note: neither of my devices are currently activated -- Verizon's systems apparently won't activate any Xooms just yet, so mine will be turned on tomorrow morning. For now it's Wi-Fi, and there was no problem getting it to work without the activation.
It hasn't been released yet, maybe Google has some tweaking to do in their systems overnight before apps show up. 7 apps doesn't sound right..
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I notice the apple bluetooth keyboard... does that work with it?
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Just tried it. Pairs and works fine. When you pair, it discovers the keyboard, and asks you to type a 4 digit code + enter on the Apple keyboard. Then all systems go.
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It hasn't been released yet, maybe Google has some tweaking to do in their systems overnight before apps show up. 7 apps doesn't sound right..
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Could be. Note that the app store did update itself upon first launch.
Ya feel like prying the back off of one of them and checking on the true size of the battery? Does it say what the size is on the box by chance?
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Ya feel like prying the back off of one of them and checking on the true size of the battery? Does it say what the size is on the box by chance?
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Thanks
If you go to the new Android Market on PC, you can find a NYTimes Android Application for Tablets. Can you possibly have that downloaded to your Xoom and give it a try?
Here is a link:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nytimes.android.tablet&feature=search_result
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Alee!
Open up the Xoom and tell us what mAh battery size is inside that sucker? We need to put something to rest.. claim is that it's 3250mAh.. we're hoping this is a mistake and it's actually much larger.
Anyone know how to get to the battery? I see 2 screws at the bottom, but I can't mess with those right now as I'm syncing over a ton of stuff to the tablet.
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Anyone know how to get to the battery? I see 2 screws at the bottom, but I can't mess with those right now as I'm syncing over a ton of stuff to the tablet.
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Yeah I saw somewhere, cannot remember where, but you have to remove some screws.
Surprised that Engadget or another site hasn't tore the Xoom apart to see all the bits and pieces and see what everything is already.
Sort of odd. Then again those no real reviews from sites either... just a wirefly guy unboxing it and talking too much about things he seems to know little about.
Question; How much did you spend out of the door total ($960-$970)?
All the major sites have posted their reviews and all concur that battery life is awesome. So who cares about the size as long as you get the life?
Its all about the power consumption and not about the battery size
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Question; How much did you spend out of the door total ($960-$970)?
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$800 each + tax. So I didn't get the Verizon price for contract but totally worth it to get it a day early.
Ive noticed apps on the Market that says, FREE (with ADS) and also PAID / Pro Version of the same app (for a fixed price lets say £3.00)
Now ive noticed the count on download apps for a app that is £3 to be 250.000 > downloads ... which means £750.000 has been paid into the market just from this single app ?????
How much would the developer of this app see from the £750.000 that has been made? And am I also right that ADS on their software also let the developer gain money??
Seems to me you can earn a lot of money for a well populated app... ???
You answered your own question. Developers SELL (obtain money for their product) their apps. Free apps that include ads, the developer also gets money. It's just like youtube videos.
Surely Google must take commision as well??
Yeah, that's the goal
But face it, people are cheap...even for a $0.99 app! And that "super duper, can't live without it app" is all so elusive.
So developers will put out a limited or crippled version of their app for free in hopes that people will buy the full version.
Oh yeah Google takes their cut; it's pro-rated on the number of app sales you have.
Lookiing closely at other apps and focasing on one partiuclar app called Fotmob which I have purchased. It is a really good app that is for any football supportors out their giving details of a list of attributes such as, Live Scores - Fixtures - News - and Table..... Its probably the best football application Ive bought.
Now focasing on a a certain point on the development part of the app
1) Live Score's ... Gives a list of live playing games and their score line next to it. - Am curious on where the data comes from? Surely it isnt edited As games are played because that would be practically impossible to keep up to date therefore it must use a similar command such as a Fetch_arrey syntax. Now where would the user of FOTMOB Fetch the data from?? it must be a reliable known source such as BBC SPORTS / SKY SPORTS to keep its app up-to-date during the live games??
Is that right?
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Ive noticed apps on the Market that says, FREE (with ADS) and also PAID / Pro Version of the same app (for a fixed price lets say £3.00)
Now ive noticed the count on download apps for a app that is £3 to be 250.000 > downloads ... which means £750.000 has been paid into the market just from this single app ?????
How much would the developer of this app see from the £750.000 that has been made? And am I also right that ADS on their software also let the developer gain money??
Seems to me you can earn a lot of money for a well populated app... ???
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It's not as black and white as that.
Firstly, you'd have to be an brilliant developer to get 250k+ downloads from a paid app. If you see an app like that, 9 times out of 10 it will be a company, not a single developer.
Secondly, 250k downloads is the amount of times an app has been downloaded, not the amount of times people have paid for it. e.g., around 40% of those downloads will be from people who refunded.
and lastly, Google take a ridiculous amount of money from you for each sale.
For example, my app sells for £2.00, but google takes £0.60 of that. It might not seem like a lot but it mounts up quickly.
So, 250k downloads isn't as much as you think if you start to look into it (but, it's still a hell of a lot for a single developer to get!!)
Well said Mellus.
And some of these so-called "great" apps are just fancy front ends pulling data off the net or a RSS feed.
As you might gather, I do not have a lot of respect for "this" (or "self"...programmer humor) type of developer.
P.S. if you don't get the programmer humor, "self" is Mac Objective C's "this" pointer.
I make $1,500 a month ( single dev )
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You make $1,500 off how many apps? How many installs. Free apps or paid?
Also, could someone comment on what's required to get started? I know there's a $25 dev fee, and I've read all the help text on the publish site.
What do most devs do for a website to link to in the market? Does Google offer anything? Use Go Daddy? What?
What do you use to create the graphics required for the market?
Other tips?
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rigman said:
You make $1,500 off how many apps? How many installs. Free apps or paid?
Also, could someone comment on what's required to get started? I know there's a $25 dev fee, and I've read all the help text on the publish site.
What do most devs do for a website to link to in the market? Does Google offer anything? Use Go Daddy? What?
What do you use to create the graphics required for the market?
Other tips?
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About 15 apps. All paid.
You need to know how to make apps lol.
You need to make your own website ( not needed though)
Use photoshop.
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Yeah I'm just getting into app development as well. I've currently got an ADWTheme out on the market for $0.99, and I make ~$0.69 per sale. There is really a ton of potential for profit if you get into individual app development as long as you can make stuff that people want. When I first released my theme I was making ~$10 a day off of it. after a month or so it's died down to ~$2.5 - $5 daily, but another factor is that I haven't updated it in a while haha. If you can manage to keep all of your apps up-to-date and appealing, you will do well.
If you are really interested in developing applications for android I would recommended watching these videos: http://marakana.com/techtv/android_bootcamp_screencast_series.html They've seriously helped me out a LOT getting off the ground
Newklearx3 said:
About 15 apps. All paid.
You need to know how to make apps lol.
You need to make your own website ( not needed though)
Use photoshop.
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I would recommend Adobe Illustrator more than Photoshop for making graphics, at least it's what I prefer.
1. Make it look pretty
2. Make it fart
Yeah, nice LOL. Hey, if it sells, it sells. Wish I could write an app that sells thousands
I'm only a few months into development though, so it's "learn something new everyday" process. As the coding skills build, so will the quality of the apps....and hopefully sales.
Applications based on RFID concept?
Please allow me to ask if how much will it take for a developer on a full time basis to create an application that would run on both android and windows mobile.
This will be for a RFID concept
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Please allow me to ask if how much will it take for a developer on a full time basis to create an application that would run on both android and windows mobile.
This will be for a RFID concept
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I don't know about window mobile but check out corona SDK for developing.
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Don't know why it's so difficult to answer a simple question.
70% goes to the developer, the remaining 30% is distributed to the cell carrier (if the carrier is authorized to receive fees for apps purchased on the market.)
Wikipedia explains it in such a way that even the most simple minded of folk can understand. It sounds like a few of you should read up on that, as opposed to providing vague, meaningless "answers".
Can someone please pm me the link to the add free unlimited skip pandora
Edit.. Got it.. Thanks
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Pm sent. Fyi, I'm pretty sure this should've been in the app section.
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Me too, please!
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This exists?!
I'd uh, like to investigate this further, if you know what I mean...
(Wink wink)
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This exists?!
I'd uh, like to investigate this further, if you know what I mean...
(Wink wink)
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shh lol
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Sorry, just trying to point in right direction. I searched online and found something at droidforums.net.
How's that?
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link is gone
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Gracias, señor.
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Dont post links, they will close the thread AGAIN.
Open up the Pandora you download from market, then hit the menu key and choose preferences. From there, choose Upgrade to Pandora one.
Unless you guys are children who are not legally allowed to work, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Open up the Pandora you download from market, then hit the menu key and choose preferences. From there, choose Upgrade to Pandora one.
Unless you guys are children who are not legally allowed to work, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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I prefer to have mine themed..
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And besides.. The subscription don't pay any developers.. Its a yearly thing that goes to gready corps.. So what's me not hearing an add hurting? Sense I don't buy things from adds anyway..
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Open up the Pandora you download from market, then hit the menu key and choose preferences. From there, choose Upgrade to Pandora one.
Unless you guys are children who are not legally allowed to work, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Ashamed of yourselves for what?
Everyone that sent me a pm please have some patience. I'm double checking as to whether or not I can post a public link. I have already been blasted with requests for it and it is not even my mod. I received it from someone else as well.
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Guys, just Google it. It's not that hard to find.
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And besides.. The subscription don't pay any developers.. Its a yearly thing that goes to gready corps.. So what's me not hearing an add hurting? Sense I don't buy things from adds anyway..
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Nice uneducated response... First off, those things in the market version are "ads" not "adds" and the word you are trying to use is "Since" not "Sense" Second, take some time and read the wiki on "Pandora radio" because you clearly don't understand what's what. Pandora was developed by an Indie programmer to use the Indie developed music genome project. The annual fee does everything the hack does, except it also increases the music quality AND pays the Indie developers and allows them to keep the service running.
The Pandora service costs money to run, and as a matter of fact it nearly shut down a few years ago because of that cost. The ads and fees keep the service running and I'm sure you want that. You do enjoy Pandora as much as the millions of others who rely on it for entertainment daily?
The fees that this Indie developer founded service asks for are entirely reasonable and you are circumventing them. That is something to be ashamed of.
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And besides.. The subscription don't pay any developers.. Its a yearly thing that goes to gready corps..
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Who pay actual musicians.
Oh, them!
I have never noticed any quality changes w the subscription Plus, with this app the biggest catch for me is unlimited skips, I could deal w an add every now and then, just so happens I don't have to anymore. Definetly one of my most used apps.
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Open up the Pandora you download from market, then hit the menu key and choose preferences. From there, choose Upgrade to Pandora one.
Unless you guys are children who are not legally allowed to work, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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I assume then you are not rooted? I assume you do not use wireless or wired tether? Both would be against your user agreement, which is a contract. The second would be stealing data when you should be using the built in 3g hotspot and paying $9.99 a month. For shame!!!
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And besides.. The subscription don't pay any developers.. Its a yearly thing that goes to gready corps.. So what's me not hearing an add hurting? Sense I don't buy things from adds anyway..
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This is a very naive response, and reflects zero understanding of the software business.
It costs money to bring you Pandora. They have 250 employees who don't work for free. 50% of their revenue goes to pay royalties. Not many companies would survive with 50% siphoned off the top.
Pandora doesn't care what you do or don't buy, it's the advertising royalties from companies who want to put Ads in front of you that matters to Pandora.
Pandora is already free with Ads (just like many of our apps) and the 40hrs/month limit can be exceeded for the princely sum of 0.99/month. Unlimited streaming media at home, in your pocket, or in your car for $1 a month. That's your definition of 'gready'?
Ad free Pandora One costs a grand total of $3 a month. That's 0.10 cents a day. They are not exactly emptying anyone's pockets for what they provide.
Six skips an hour? That is per station so having multiple stations makes it easy enough to keep the skip limit being much of an issue. The 'skip limit' is not to piss people off, it's one of the reasons they can continue to stream music the way they do.
It's not like Pandora is one of the 'evil empires'.
They struggled financially for years and had to fight the music industry to prevent ruinous royalty fees. As it is they pay the highest royalty rate of any other music stream (radio/satellite). It's only in 2009 that they knew they would be able to stay in business and not be put out of business by the traditional music industry.
And its not like they don't care about their customers. Last year they did a 50 city road show to get input from anyone who wanted to show up.
No for profit company runs on 'fumes' and no full-time developers work for free.
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No for profit company runs on 'fumes' and no full-time developers work for free.
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Totally agree.
Sorry if somebody has already brought this up, but after searching I didn't find anything. I just got my fire laast night and there appears to be a camera in the top left corner. I know all the specs say there is no camera, but there does in fact appear to be one. Can anyone else confirm?
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I think that's just the ambient light sensor. The first firmware had support for automatic brightness, but that was removed, so it's essentially useless now.
Not a camera.
Just a sensor, nothing to do with a camera. Never saw a camera in the tear down thread so I am pretty sure it isn't one.
Ah, I see. Got my hopes up for nothing, then. Thanks.
Kinda sad that its not in there considering the cost of camera components now a days.
Yah I know so sad. Cause from the tare down it seems that it would have cost only 10.50 or something i know i read that somewhere for a front and back camera. But I still love this thing
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I don't want a camera in mine, my phone's cam is plenty for quick shots. Why is the ambient sensor disabled?
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When it was turned on on mine, it was pretty wonky. I think that's why.
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Yah I know so sad. Cause from the tare down it seems that it would have cost only 10.50 or something i know i read that somewhere for a front and back camera. But I still love this thing
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For 5 million Fires, that would of only cost Amazon an extra $50,000,000
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For 5 million Fires, that would of only cost Amazon an extra $50,000,000
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But I bet with it, it would sell even more cause it is more of a tablet then especially for people on this form who will probably put a custom romantic on it the moment they are available, no?
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But I bet with it, it would sell even more cause it is more of a tablet then especially for people on this form who will probably put a custom romantic on it the moment they are available, no?
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An extra $50 million probably wouldn't of allowed a $199 price point, I imagine.
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But I bet with it, it would sell even more cause it is more of a tablet then especially for people on this form who will probably put a custom romantic on it the moment they are available, no?
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Amazon loses money for every Kindle sold; it currently costs them more to make then they get for selling it. Their only income is the money they get from their bundled services such as music, books, video rentals, prime, etc. Why would Amazon encourage a custom rom that debundles those services...while spending even more money on it?
They only lose something like $2....it isn't all that high honestly...
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They only lose something like $2....it isn't all that high honestly...
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Well if that's the case it would have been nice for them to opt for a camera, but then again my phone (HTC Incredible) has something like an 8 MP camera in it anyways.
But you gotta think even then most companies something off each tablet they sell. Amazon's approach actually seems similar to a video game console maker's approach. Generally Sony and MS both lose money on launch Xbox and Playstation units, but hope to make that up in game sales. If Amazon's loss is that small they should easily make that back.
Very true...but how many do they sell and never even sell an mp3 on? Losing even 0.20 is a risk...adding even more functionality would have widened that loss. And to be honest...how many people the but the kindle want it simply for the purpose it was built? Only a rare group will actually root it and load custom roms.
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They only lose something like $2....it isn't all that high honestly...
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That would make their initial release a $10 million loss. That's a big amount to make up off of songs, movies, and books
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Very true...but how many do they sell and never even sell an mp3 on? Losing even 0.20 is a risk...adding even more functionality would have widened that loss. And to be honest...how many people the but the kindle want it simply for the purpose it was built? Only a rare group will actually root it and load custom roms.
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Yeah, that's why Amazon can do it in the first place though. They have established themselves as a one stop place for many of the Kindle Fire buyers. I know that I pick up lots of stuff at Amazon. There is a risk, but if it truly is around $2 then that's likely made back with one sale. I plan to get mine rooted, etc but I will still buy legit stuff like Kindle books from Amazon.
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That would make their initial release a $10 million loss. That's a big amount to make up off of songs, movies, and books
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Right, but if all those people buy a $5 book that's theoretically $25 million right there. Pretty sure Amazon will come out on top in the long run.
Amazon knows what they're doing - this is not new to them. The initial 3g Kindles were in the same boat - they cost more to make and maintain than they sold for.
The cam can be worth 2 $, but if you calculate 5mil. X 2 $ than the loss would be 10 mil. ...and if the managers cannot think of improvement in Kindle fire 2 – they can always build in mic and cam and make revenue
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Yeah, that's why Amazon can do it in the first place though. They have established themselves as a one stop place for many of the Kindle Fire buyers. I know that I pick up lots of stuff at Amazon. There is a risk, but if it truly is around $2 then that's likely made back with one sale. I plan to get mine rooted, etc but I will still buy legit stuff like Kindle books from Amazon.
Right, but if all those people buy a $5 book that's theoretically $25 million right there. Pretty sure Amazon will come out on top in the long run.
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You think Amazon gets 100% of the profit from a $5 book or app? No, they only take a percentage.
I'm guessing they didn't expect the Fire to be as popular as it has become. An extra $10 million would of possibly made it too risky
Hi guys,
Does anybody has some experience with AppBrain and their paid application promotion services? Is it worth spending any money?
Good question. I think that if you have a highly valuable app, it really worth it as you pay about 20 cents per install that you will get back after only 2 to 4 clicks on ads. It's aslo useful to get exposure to countries where your app is not known yet. In other cases it doesn't worth it
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Thanks! Until now I found only AppBrain - do You know about any other such service?
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Thanks! Until now I found only AppBrain - do You know about any other such service?
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Yep! If you mean CPI ad networks, i recommend you Appia. I use their offerwall, it performs at least as AppBrain offerwall
I mean in the publisher side, it must be the same from advertiser side.
You can do it on facebook too, it will cost you a little bit more but it worth to give it a try as they offer about 40$ for your first compaign and they allow you to target users with age, area, devices and even preferences (where you can select all what can be related to android and to your app)