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Jasjar/Universal: Too many bugs ??

I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?

Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!

personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.

Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
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Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?

Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?

mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.

Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.

sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)

No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en

SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.

hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues

louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.

DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike

@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.

I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers

Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent

Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers

You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]

Windows update

Hello, has anyone ever got a "windows update" from the option in System Settings?
ive tried loads of times but no update?
Paul.

No, never worked ???

Nope, never had one. Think this is overlooked by MS

Ok not just me then, cheers fellas
Paul.

I wish we didn't wait for the PDA developers to install updates. I wish it was like a normal PC. I wish I could just download an OS from Microsoft an install it to my PDA and download drivers from HTC's web site...

Argun said:
I wish we didn't wait for the PDA developers to install updates. I wish it was like a normal PC. I wish I could just download an OS from Microsoft an install it to my PDA and download drivers from HTC's web site...
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good wishes but hard to be applied

There's a work being done in that direction...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009

mmm
I think it's just there for show dont think It actually does anything nor connects to anything .. mmm

"Just there for show" rubbish, my wife has the blackberry storm and shes had "updates" and things sent automaticly! maybe i should have copied her and got one cos my 3yr old can work my HTC better than me . haha
Paul.

update
Here are some quotes from WindowsMobile team about this topic:
"As I mentioned in my responses to the previous posts, the update capability is something we are continuing to work on, and our licensing restrictions do not permit us to distribute software directly to end-users. The Windows Update for Windows Mobile capability is designed to deliver critical fixes, which we have not had the need to use yet thankfully!"
http://www.facebook.com/s.php?ref=s...fan page#/topic.php?uid=8195378771&topic=7841

Still no samsung apps.com in the US? workaround?

Really like my Omnia II but have been waiting impatiently for the samsungapps.com store to become available in the US (like I need more apps!). I can browse it but not buy/download the cool freebies. Is there a way to get these apps in the meantime?
I've installed as Great Britain on my laptop and can download files but they aren't cab files and I can't figure out a way to install them on my phone if I move them to the other computer I have the phone partnered with.
Didn't want to sync the phone through Kies on the laptop in case it screwed everything up. Anybody tried this or figured out a workaround as we wait for Samsung to open to the US market (10 countries later and counting)
Thanks,
megawatson.

have you tried downloading the program KIES from samsung, it worked but when I plug in my phone to the program it cant find my phone...any one else have luck
maybe with windows XP...
win 7
7 gigs of ram
quad core

Kies & PC Studio - whats tha difference?

So I know about kies and its ability to sync Galaxy S contacts, pim,etc...
But this looks like Samsung has modded kies into a new suite called PC Studio:
PC STUDIO
What tha hell is going on? Comments / Feedback appreciated.

first you need to find the piggie app

KaiserLinux said:
So I know about kies and its ability to sync Galaxy S contacts, pim,etc...
But this looks like Samsung has modded kies into a new suite called PC Studio:
PC STUDIO
What tha hell is going on? Comments / Feedback appreciated.
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Might get better response in the I9000 forum, since that is the Galaxy S model supported by the PC Studio app.

[Q] MMS Not working... Setup APN manually

Hey guys, got WP7 on my HD2 today and I was reading that you had to manually set your APN to gain 3G. I set mine up (epc.tmobile.com for TMOUS) and I have 3G, yet MMS still wont work! Have searched and searched and it seems some people's just works randomly. Halp!

try download from the market in the HTC section the connection setup... and let it configure the phone for tmobile... I don't know if it will fix the problem but theres no harm in trying

dont you have to go through that long fix to use the market....? right now i cant do that because the SDK tools wont install. says there is an issue installing .net framework 4 something or other.... :/ looks like im going back to stock 6.5 and android for now

d16soda said:
dont you have to go through that long fix to use the market....? right now i cant do that because the SDK tools wont install. says there is an issue installing .net framework 4 something or other.... :/ looks like im going back to stock 6.5 and android for now
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If you cant side load the connection setup since you dont have the dev tools installed and don't have it activated with Live... No other way..
Normally it would work with the APN set correctly since theres no other options like mms ip and so on... Enjoy Android.. Lets see if in the future this issue gets fixed

Well... I guess my heart is set that I am so in love with WP7, I am going to keep trying. My issue was the .NET framework. When I try to install the SDK it says that the .NET Framework 4 blah blah couldn't install. Mind you I manually installed the .NF4 beforehand, uninstalling and reinstalling now, will report back. Until then, anyone had this problem then fixed it?

d16soda said:
Well... I guess my heart is set that I am so in love with WP7, I am going to keep trying. My issue was the .NET framework. When I try to install the SDK it says that the .NET Framework 4 blah blah couldn't install. Mind you I manually installed the .NF4 beforehand, uninstalling and reinstalling now, will report back. Until then, anyone had this problem then fixed it?
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when I installed the tools I didnt have .NF4 installed.. and during the web install it installed already
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hakuchi18v said:
when I installed the tools I didnt have .NF4 installed.. and during the web install it installed already
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Web install? I had to download a special .zip file containing the dev tools for XP SP3 that i found here on the forums. What OS are you running? I think XP is kind of different... :/

d16soda said:
Web install? I had to download a special .zip file containing the dev tools for XP SP3 that i found here on the forums. What OS are you running? I think XP is kind of different... :/
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oo.. yea XP does have issues with that... Im on W7.. you can aways upgrade get the bonus of a new os if your pc meets the min req
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hakuchi18v said:
oo.. yea XP does have issues with that... Im on W7.. you can aways upgrade get the bonus of a new os if your pc meets the min req
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LOL. Got rid of my gaming rig... making dude with an AMD XP 2600+ 1GB Ram, and a GeForce 6800GS. get the job done, but would crumble on W7. I finally got past that point and installed the SDK. Now Zune effed up... reinstalling hoping to fix.

Hope everything ends up working for you... Aslong as Zune loads up and connects to the phone .. All you got to do is go into the market or Music while plugged in and sideloading should work
Hey i got W7 running on an Old Gateway with AMD Athlon 1400 1G Ram and Radeon 9550.. Aero and all runs fine.. Have it stored away just incase

hakuchi18v said:
Hope everything ends up working for you... Aslong as Zune loads up and connects to the phone .. All you got to do is go into the market or Music while plugged in and sideloading should work
Hey i got W7 running on an Old Gateway with AMD Athlon 1400 1G Ram and Radeon 9550.. Aero and all runs fine.. Have it stored away just incase
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Really? How does W7 run on that PC?
Now back on topic.... lol. So, I got Zune to load and my device connects correctly. Now chevron isn't working and apparently there is a 1% chance of anyone getting it to work on XP. Yet, I was just informed that most roms come pre-unlocked so I wont need chevron!
Now that my device is hooked up, how do I sideload? I have the connection setup ready to go.

d16soda said:
Really? How does W7 run on that PC?
Now back on topic.... lol. So, I got Zune to load and my device connects correctly. Now chevron isn't working and apparently there is a 1% chance of anyone getting it to work on XP. Yet, I was just informed that most roms come pre-unlocked so I wont need chevron!
Now that my device is hooked up, how do I sideload? I have the connection setup ready to go.
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If the ROM you have says it comes activated and unlocked with the registry changes already cooked then all you have to do is load up Zune and connect the phone.. then on the phone go to Music & Videos or the Market so the Sync Complete Screen comes up then just use TOM XAP installer or a hacked version of the Developer Application Deployment Program to sideload and .xap you want (connection setup)....
Off topic.. I just started up the setup DVD and it installed W7 on it and right from the start everything except the Audio worked and an update fixed it

hakuchi18v said:
If the ROM you have says it comes activated and unlocked with the registry changes already cooked then all you have to do is load up Zune and connect the phone.. then on the phone go to Music & Videos or the Market so the Sync Complete Screen comes up then just use TOM XAP installer or a hacked version of the Developer Application Deployment Program to sideload and .xap you want (connection setup)....
Off topic.. I just started up the setup DVD and it installed W7 on it and right from the start everything except the Audio worked and an update fixed it
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What cooked rom are you using? I'd like a preunlocked one... probably make things easier.

had the same issues with t-mobile uk. downloaded the htc conntection wizard and ran that and it worked fine. also try sending a picture message, as sometimes that seems to fix the issue (i had to do this on android).
as for the chevron hacks etc, you are better off using a pre-unlocked rom. look in the wp7 development section of this forum and u will find most roms will cook it in. if u have that then your next challenge will be the windows live id for marketplace access. US have chat support for windows phone 7, but in the UK i had to phone them and just got given a code
your PC will run windows 7 fine, windows 7 needs less resources than vista, i have some very old PCs running windows 7 and they run fine, the only issues i have come across is aero not working, which i can live without.
you may find that it is a worthwhile upgrade, as not only with the wp7 dev tools be much easier to install/use on windows 7, but any updates to them are most likely to only be available to windows 7, plus XP is in extended support, meaning that updates will only be rolled out if they are critical, and most newer software will carry the designed for windows 7 logo.

matthewharmon102 said:
had the same issues with t-mobile uk. downloaded the htc conntection wizard and ran that and it worked fine. also try sending a picture message, as sometimes that seems to fix the issue (i had to do this on android).
as for the chevron hacks etc, you are better off using a pre-unlocked rom. look in the wp7 development section of this forum and u will find most roms will cook it in. if u have that then your next challenge will be the windows live id for marketplace access. US have chat support for windows phone 7, but in the UK i had to phone them and just got given a code
your PC will run windows 7 fine, windows 7 needs less resources than vista, i have some very old PCs running windows 7 and they run fine, the only issues i have come across is aero not working, which i can live without.
you may find that it is a worthwhile upgrade, as not only with the wp7 dev tools be much easier to install/use on windows 7, but any updates to them are most likely to only be available to windows 7, plus XP is in extended support, meaning that updates will only be rolled out if they are critical, and most newer software will carry the designed for windows 7 logo.
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agreed. waiting for my hard disks to partition and installing windows 7.
I flashed a WP7 rom on my phone that is pre-unlocked, but I am still unsure how to side-load this connection setup. Phone connected and recognized by zuneeeee. What next?

d16soda said:
agreed. waiting for my hard disks to partition and installing windows 7.
I flashed a WP7 rom on my phone that is pre-unlocked, but I am still unsure how to side-load this connection setup. Phone connected and recognized by zuneeeee. What next?
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Glad to hear everything started to work out...
This is how i sideload apps
Once Zune regognizes the phone and syncs succesfully while still pluged in... on the phone make sure the backlite is set so it wont turn off.. if it turns off it breaks the connection.... Once you have that set go into the market on the phone or Music & Videos... Once you go into one of those apps it will say that you are connected and it will sync briefly and say sync complete... while still in that sync complete screen start up the Application Deployment and browse to the connection setup .xap and deploy it.. If the connection Setup is signed correctly (official App) it should successfully send it to the phone and load up right away.. if not it should be in the programs list

Hmm.. alright thanks man. Ill definitely give it a shot tomorrow.
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W7 works on my Acer one Netbook. 1Ghz CPu, 1GB ram and onboard 32mb graphics. even works with aero!

d16soda said:
Hey guys, got WP7 on my HD2 today and I was reading that you had to manually set your APN to gain 3G. I set mine up (epc.tmobile.com for TMOUS) and I have 3G, yet MMS still wont work! Have searched and searched and it seems some people's just works randomly. Halp!
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what worked for me was going to settings to cellular then to add apn.....the i put in the apn field epc.t-mobile.com....then other 2 fields left blank...reboot and i have 3g and full mms working perfect hope this helped out

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W7 works on my Acer one Netbook. 1Ghz CPu, 1GB ram and onboard 32mb graphics. even works with aero!
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Exactly what I have running. Runs Ultimate fine.
Back on topic. Its not tht hard to sideload apps.
Turn lockscreen timer to never in settings.
Open Zune. Wait for sync complete. Minimize Zune.
Deploy xap via Toms xap installer or even easier download wp7 marketplace for PC and set xap file association to have wpdeploy run on double click.
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