Nexus one has been the darling of the developer community from the start. It has the most mods, the most roms and the most love from the android developers.
I was thinking if Samsung Galaxy will be able to change this because it is being rollerd out very aggressively in North America (I think Europe too). Every major carrier is getting some flavor of Galaxy S and I think it is going to show up in many consumer hands.
Samsung also made the source code open source (not sure what are the repercussions of that) and from what I've heard Samsung does not encrypt the bootloader like Motorola.
So, do you guys think Samsung Galaxy S could become a major roms/mods magnet and dethrone Nexus?
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Nexus one has been the darling of the developer community from the start. It has the most mods, the most roms and the most love from the android developers.
I was thinking if Samsung Galaxy will be able to change this because it is being rollerd out very aggressively in North America (I think Europe too). Every major carrier is getting some flavor of Galaxy S and I think it is going to show up in many consumer hands.
Samsung also made the source code open source (not sure what are the repercussions of that) and from what I've heard Samsung does not encrypt the bootloader like Motorola.
So, do you guys think Samsung Galaxy S could become a major roms/mods magnet and dethrone Nexus?
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Not likely, the nexus one is a Dev phone, thats what it was built for. Not likely the Galaxy S will see AS MANY devs as the nexus one has, but because it is so huge (every carrier has a version of the galaxy s) that it will still probably be popular.
Never.
Skinned phones don't get anywhere near the attention of stock Android phones.
It will take some effort for Samsung to earn people's trust that they won't just abandon the device like they've always done previously. That won't happen with just one device release. If a pattern develops, then perhaps. But even still, its not a developer phone, and that's a huge difference. But it may be very popular so we'll see.
Samsung has a shoddy record so far for supporting their Android devices, and devs don't take skinned phones as seriously as stock phones. I don't see Samsung taking over for a while. In fact, I don't see ANY phone in the pipeline that could be considered the spiritual successor to the Nexus One, and the Dream/Magic before it.
Motorola/Samsung may get the bulk sales and marketing budgets, but HTC is still the home of "real" Android.
+1 It doesn't look too good for Samsung catching up with HTC & the Nexus anytime soon.
Would the same rom work on the different version of the galaxy s or the dev have to code differently for each variant?
You'll get what you have with the G1.....A bunch of roms based off Cyanogen Mod Kanged with a theme and a few apps
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Was wondering what's the track record of Samsung getting custom Roms/firmware?
I really like how XDA have developers to do custom ROMS for HTC phones but was wondering does Samsung phones gets same treatment? Or will be looking at far and few in between updates from Samsung itself and won't be able to update to the latest and greatest?
Really want Nexus One but the Galaxy S is sooooooooo much better *sigh*
Can't answer your question on whether the Samsung will get the same amount of Dev time that has been lavished on the HTC phones, but I was in the same situation as yourself - Galaxy S or Nexus One.
I came down on the side of the Galaxy S simply because it's a better phone all round. There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One. I'm hoping that the popularity of this phone will mean that the Devs on here will start giving some time to the Galaxy S.
I must admit I was initially drawn towards the Nexus One because of excellent work that has been done by the likes of Cyanogen et al, but I took the long term view that surely the same must eventually happen with the Galaxy S. *crosses fingers*
For the Galaxy, there is MoDaCo. For the Galaxy Spica, there is Samdroid. Don't know much about the others, but they weren't released here in Europe anyway.
I followed Samdroid a while, thinking about getting a Spica. There are some awesome things going on there - they even tried to modify the touchscreen sensor, because the hardware does support multitouch, but the driver doesn't. AFAIK, they had no success, but still nice try. And they even opened a board for the Galaxy S, maybe Leshak fetches one and works some magic there in the future. If not, I am pretty sure somebody will.
If you want to customize it to run the latest roms, the question is: how "open" is this device?
I know that HTC made the Desire a pain in the butt to unlock/root, and they will improve this with every new phone the make, making them more and more secure and block customized images.
Is Samsung going to follow the same strategy?
I think you're right Magicdroid, the question would be how open this is. But even though the Desire was a pain to root, it HAD been rooted just cos there's lots of developers. When there are lots of developers, you'll get rooted device
I wonder if the Galaxy S will get lots of user base.............I just hope lots and lots of ppl will pick it up and then the chance of longetivity with custom ROMS dramatically increases....
I'm hopoing for good community support as well. I have an AT&T Tilt, and have doen well on the XDA site. I'm spoiled
I am very interested in the Galaxy S, but I"m on At&T, and the AT&T version i keep reading about doesn't have the same specs. So having to wait and see on that.
Also, I see a lot of negative feedback on Samsung support, and based on their previous Android phone (Behold I think it's called) is not getting an upgrade. Lots of complaints about being abandonded by Samsung.
Not sure what I'll do. If At&T doesn't get decent phones soon, I mahy have to look do Verizon.
Sorry...I'm rambling off topic.
The Galaxy S looks like a great piece of hardware.
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There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One.
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Hilarious! I just found it and laughed so much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
I was considering to buy a Nexus, but now I changed my mind...someday this mobile will hopefully get root and give enough space for customizations of every kind...just wait and see - it will come in the mid of June to Europe and I'm eager to hold one in my hands
I'm disciplining myself to not get this phone until there's a good team of developers move to it to get customizations going
aaahhh the wait the wait......
and, do you have one jet? the best mod is doctorz rom. it runs very smooth
God damn it. Did you sign up just to necro a thread that's over A YEAR AND A HALF old?
I just have to say after reading samsungs comment on future support for android (2.3) which is comical since we aren't even going to see 2.2 on this hardware in an official form it seems.
I have come to the conclusion that the only hope to keep this phone moving forward has completely fallen in the laps of custom rom devs.
I love my vibrant but would have dumped it some time ago and gone back to my nexus if it wernt for the few developers that spend countless hours keeping this hardware moving forward.
Shame on samsung, a very large organization for making such a fine piece of hardware and then leaving its software behind.
I find it funny how a huge company such as samsung has left the future of this phone in the hands of some geeks sitting at home plugging away at keeping the vibrant current. And the devs do this on their own time for free.
So, the reason for this post is to thank all you devs working away on the vibrant. And a note to samsung if you ever read these forums (i'm sure they do)....BLOW ME!
Sincerely, a guy who wont own another samsung product.
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I completely agree... I wish Google would make some regulations on how the Android OS is handled amongst phone developers/carriers such as Samsung or T-Mobile. All phones need to come with stock android but can come with developer/carrier apps preinstalled (and home launchers like Touchwiz are just apps like LauncherPro not integrated into the OS...) Hell, I'd take locked bloatware than a customized (degraded) OS anyday. This way Google can handle & streamline the OTAs... this failure to do so by Samsung is unacceptable if these guys are to compete with the iPhone... granted I still favor this operating system to the iOS no questions but this fragmentation problem will only worsen with time.
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Samsung allocates too much money on hardware and not enough on software...
At least, in the Nexus S, its backed by the best software team possible.
Every body is overreacting Samsung didn't say they were abandoning the galaxy s series they said that there are factors that will decide whether or not they will update their phones in general. The galaxy s line isn't the only phones they make.
They simply said, if the carrier wants it, the hardware meets the requirement, and if they are still allowed the rights of the licensed software the phone has prienstall, then they will update the phone.
Which is basically saying the obvious. We will if we can and allowed too. And seeing that T-Mobile will have to keep up with sprint and Verizon who tries to keep thier phones updated, and the fact the galaxy S line is practically the same as this years dev phone standards, plus there not being many licensed software on it that T-Mobile doesn't hold rights too I'm sure we will get updates at least to anything the nexus s will get.
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[Q] Galaxy S I9000 to Nexus S [FULL UPGRADE]
Hiya'll
I'm considering an upgrade from my current Galaxy S "international" to the new Nexus S. Some of you may not consider it an upgrade hence I'd like to take it further here. I'd love to receive all the new updates as fast as possible unlike now when I had to wait three months for Froyo on the SGS to arrive through Kies after its official release by Google. Also reading through the forum, I doubt Samsung will release any updates beyond 2.3 for SGS.
Do you value the new Samsung handset and consider it as potential upgrade? Or would you rather stick to your SGS as you're completely pleased with it?
I'd like to know if there's anyone else out there waiting for the Nexus S as I'm
the SGS is probably a better phone. with Micro SD and FM radio is more important than flash camera and NFC I think.
As for the updates yeah I agree it would be nice but yeah it's a tough decision. I'll probably stay with the SGS unless I can get the nexus S cheaply
Guys this is what samsung want, they wont/delay upgrade to 2.3 for SGS cuzz they want to sell their new flagship phone, this is what samsung always do, and this is not just me, i've read the same thing in some other blogs and websites also.
Think about it !
The Galaxy S is indeed a better phone.
Google focused more on software than hardware, so they didn't want anything to hinder it's performance. Thus, hardware-wise, Galaxy S is the better phone, and once it runs Gingerbread - it will be even better than the Nexus S.
There will be other phones coming out with 2.3. And if Samsung still wants to sell the SGS by then, they will have to deliver it with 2.3.
Not all competition is internal. And while for some products or manufacturers it makes sense to handicap the entry level models (for example when it is cheaper to produce the same hardware, and a cheaper model is sold with reduced functionality but still at a profit) this doesn't apply to SGS, as it is the top of the line.
I think the Nexus S is more of a sidegrade, and it seems the NFC makes it rather thick. It seems more like a technology demo than a mass market product to me.
But then, GT-i9100 or GT-i9200 would also be coming. Those could be essentially identical to the SGS with the differentiator being the software. So I feel those do pose a real risk in this regard,
Best point of SGS: it will boot everything you throw at it. It is not locked down, so it is open for any formware that is released independent of kernel changes even. But a bad point is that there does not seem to be a real public, team work developer community; the serial interface to the SBL looks really interesting and might even allow booting from the external SD card! I didn't find a forum that stimulates me to do that kind of experiments yet, especially as signal to noise is so low. Whenever an interesting development happens, the threads are filled with posts like 'will this be ported to Captivate' (by whom?), repeat questions, and other displays of entitlement.
jutezak, appreciate your opinion and the SGS indeed is a great handset. However, if we'll depend on the developer community aside from the manufacturer then that would probably slow the process of receiving updates. Most developers even at XDA will run a certain project and end it as soon as it feels complete although bugs are constantly reported. Some even leave without further notice.
I appreciate all the hard work done by all developers yet the manufacturer here i.e. Samsung plays a far more significant role unless they also seem to neglect the SGS to pose their focus on another peice of tech.
In terms of hardware the Nexus S may not seem as a potential rival yet meriting it's Google heritage as the next Nexus One in line raises no compatibility issues with any Android App released to date as seen accross the platform with many other Android devices.
I'd really like to get a Nexus S
but without the extra SD card slot... it is a big no no....
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Guys this is what samsung want, they wont/delay upgrade to 2.3 for SGS cuzz they want to sell their new flagship phone, this is what samsung always do, and this is not just me, i've read the same thing in some other blogs and websites also.
Think about it !
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nexus s is not samsung's flagship, sgs is still their flagship phone. nexus s is google's phone made by samsung.
Samsung Mobile already tweated SGS will get 2.3 for sure
there is a topic about that
in all honesty i cant see what gains there in the Nexus S to a Galaxy S owner... as stated lack of memory card expansion slot - poor effort IMO!
the only plus i see is that it runs google supplied O/S and not samsung played with version! im running JPU on my galagy with ADW.Launcher and im more than happy, stock rom, rooted but no lagfix and its far superior to all other releases. If Gingerbread is released to Galaxy S users then id happily stick with SGS over NS.
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in all honesty i cant see what gains there in the Nexus S to a Galaxy S owner... as stated lack of memory card expansion slot - poor effort IMO!
the only plus i see is that it runs google supplied O/S and not samsung played with version! im running JPU on my galagy with ADW.Launcher and im more than happy, stock rom, rooted but no lagfix and its far superior to all other releases. If Gingerbread is released to Galaxy S users then id happily stick with SGS over NS.
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exactly and we are getting more and more custom ROMS builds per day, many of which are pretty stock android
soon enough we'll have a completely deoxed version without any junk add-on
It all comes down to money. Most of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months. Any upgrade is worthwhile if money isn't a factor.
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It all comes down to money. Most of us can't afford to upgrade every 6 months. Any upgrade is worthwhile if money isn't a factor.
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it doesnt help that the service providers now only offer 18/24 month contracts (i dont think anyone does 12month now!)
Loads of 12 months contacts in Oz.
It's Googles phone, not Samsungs although they make it. Doubt Samsung is going to drop the Gallaxy and start promoting a rivals phone.
Serious note. SGS should now get updates just after Google phone users, now they use the same hardware. If not Samsung didn't negotiate a good deal when agreeing to supply them with hardware.
Samsung seems the place to be now, move over HTC.
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Loads of 12 months contacts in Oz.
It's Googles phone, not Samsungs although they make it. Doubt Samsung is going to drop the Gallaxy and start promoting a rivals phone.
Serious note. SGS should now get updates just after Google phone users, now they use the same hardware. If not Samsung didn't negotiate a good deal when agreeing to supply them with hardware.
Samsung seems the place to be now, move over HTC.
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very few if any offer 12 month in the UK now
the handset is still technically Samsungs, but built specific to the needs of Google... its pretty much the SGS with a few tweaks and additions, running stock android 2.3
we (the samsung SGS owners) would hope they have a decent agreement regarding the O/S updates, but as others have said "why would they release a new flagship to outshine the SGS then make it better?"
Have you guys ever considered the Nexus S to be a GOOGLE ONLY device like all the other NEXUS/G1 dev phones? In other words its not Samsungs top of the range device. I say the GT-9200 or Samsung Galaxy 2 would be Samsungs flagship. Maybe it will be a Nexus S with FM and external memcard and LED Flash. The reasoning behind my thoery is if you looked at HTC, Yes they did release the Nexus One but handed over the marketing and support of the device to Google while they released and marketed the HTC Desire (their flagship device at the time). Either way the Nexus One isn't ment for the general public even though you can buy it and the next Galaxy whatever its going to be called will be Samsungs baby. So basicly what I'm saying is the Nexus One is a moot point for everyone saying they want to upgrade to it and just wait for the next Galaxy S (GT-9200) which I'm feeling will land or be announced in Feb as thats when Samsungs new Amoled factory will go online. Also word is that they will stop making Galaxy S after Dec anyways to supply screen for the Nexus One which will be a stop gap til launch of Galaxy S 2 (or whatever the new flagship device is) Samsung has a history of killing devices to supply screens to their flagship phone. Ie they killed off the Samsung Wave and replaced it with the Wave II which only had SLCD and lower spec hummingbird because they needed the parts for the Galaxy S.
How many of you think its worthwhile to shift to a Nexus S? If not why?!
My next device must have a dual core processor with a higher resolution to convince me to make the jump! Or atleast more RAM....if the Nexus S had 1GB of RAM, i'd surely be tempted to switch!
What's your stance?
I'm not going to upgrade to Nexus S because I don't see it as an upgrade nor as a downgrade.
We'll probably get a port from honeycomb, so I will use my SGS for a while.
Other than the pure android experience I don't see much reason to upgrade. If it had a standard submatrix samoled I'd upgrade in a heartbeat.
I'm not as i don't see it as a step forward.
Yes some things may be new and better, but overall I see the nexus as a step sidways from the galaxy s.
Personally I don't see the attraction with the curved display, now do i like the idea of NFC, I dont wanna be walking along and have things flashing up on my phone.
I dont know why they bothered inventing nfc when there is bluetooth, wifi, 3g and qr codes available.
I also see the lack of external SD card as a downgrade.
Samsung hasnt confirmed that there would be a official android 4.0 update for samsung i9000. So does this mean we will not get it as a official update? Cuz there is alot of other samsung phones that have been confirmed.
The SGS is almost 2 yrs old,so I'm assuming Samsung might have given up on us.But then again,till it's confirmed,nobody can know for sure.Besides,even if the official ICS for SGS is out,we're gonna end using the custom ROM anyway
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Maybe if we make a few more threads about this we will get an answer? We're probably only 10-20 more threads away if we just keep at it.
Hopefully Samsung hears the pleads of i9000 users and gives us an official update so the devs have a Easyer time giving us the roms.
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I will look forward to getting an official answer to this question.. but SlvrWolf~XP makes a good point...
It will probably be unlikely for Samsung to update our Galaxy S i9000 to ICS since we've already gotten update TWICE (not many phone brand and models got such privilege, Eclair > Froyo > GingerBread). And Samsung may want to make both Galaxy S I and S II (with Nexus S) differentiated so that more people are encouraged to buy the newer phones...
I think SGS will not get ICS
Read today info from Samsung Mobile https://www.facebook.com/notes/sams...ch-upgrade-for-galaxy-devices/328795820483403
Yeah, they just announced on twitter too, seems like Galaxy S is not in the update list.
Well, a port from ICS on the Nexus S should work just fine.
I wonder what their reasons are for not updating the Galaxy S, obviously it's not platform limitations since the Nexus S got it, shame on Samsung, hope they loose lots of costumers .
(BTW I have a Nexus S but I'm pissed for Samsung's attitude!)
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shame on Samsung, hope they loose lots of costumers .
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Things is who are they going to lose customers to? HTC and Motorola phones from early-mid 2010 aren't going to get it either. The answer for updates is to get a Nexus phone from...oops.
The whole landscape of branded devices sucks not just Samsung, but I guess 'the grass is always greener' and people will just move to another manufacturer with little or no research into the facts of whether they are actually better for updates or not. If we take a look:
Moto announced a list of devices...not even the Atrix dual-core phone released in early 2011 was included, although it may be added. Anything from 2010 you can probably forget it.
On the HTC side the phone that came out at the same time as the SGS, at least around here, was the Desire. They had a heck of a time getting gingerbread to run on that apparently, ICS is probably out of the question, so no improvement there.
Basically anywhere I look only phones released within the last year are getting ICS officially. The grass isn't always greener, although I suspect many will jump over the fence without taking a very close look. Again the only real answer is a Nexus, unfortunately this iteration is a bit disappointing so myself I'm going to try and hold out for the next one although I admit at this point a year seems very far away.
and think of it from a business POV st's not good business practice to have complete support for an old platform, I mean look at MS the ONLY reason they still support XP is because of businesses, though that's slipping away furthermore 2 year contracts are common place for phones nowadays due to most being smartphone related so people who own the SGS back in 2010 are now due for an upgrade anyway so it won't bother the main bulk of consumers.
Personally I'm planning on waiting it out for the SGSIII so regardless the i9000 gets it for most is irrelevant.
Not a surprise for me and I don’t care what Sammy is doing.
Long live CM9
Well the thing is not other do... the thing is Galaxy S is still with a shi#y firmware after all this time. Not even on its "death" there is not a stock rom to make it perform as it should. Cmon' take a look at CM7... now imagine a Samsung built ROM based on it, even with all that crappy TouchWiz.. great camera, 720p recording, great battery life, fast as light.
Now... how can I buy another phone from them, knowing that maybe it will never work as it should. When SGS was released everybody said how fast it is, king of the hill... wth, it was crawling... Unfortunately, Samsung has Gorilla glass, has Amoled, low prices.... HTC has gread build quality, no Gorilla, no low prices, high performance....
Very disappointed by Samsung.
This is a high end device released in 2010 and already abandoned.
The S1 is perfectly compatible with ICS, this is pure business, or how to force
people to buy a new phone they don't need. Planned obsolescence, just like apple (but even Apple or HTC offer better software support...)
Of course there will be unofficial roms, but imho it's never the same quality as an official one.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus device.
Samsung forgot his smart baby snif
Cyano is here, fortunatly, to give GS1 users a good Ics experience
Samsung lost me as a customer if they choose not to update the SGS. I've already said I'll never buy a Samsung phone in the past because of their lack of support and lack of timely updates, but this now goes to anything Samsung.
I have a Samsung laptop and a Samsung TV, both of which I'll be replacing with a newer model in the coming weeks, but now those replacements will not be Samsung models.
I wouldn't be upset if there was a hardware compatibility issue like lack of memory, but there isn't.
It's perfectly capable. As for this 18 month thing, fine. Let them use that. But my i9000m only has 2.3.3 while the rest of the world has 2.3.6. They stopped updating my phone a long time ago, so they didn't even give me 18 months since they stopped me at 2.3.3 with all it's problems.
HTC even gave some of their older phones gingerbread by scaling down HTC sense to accommodate hardware limitations. Yet Samsung won't with no limitations for ICS.
The Galaxy Nexus was a phone I was thinking about, but no longer. I'm not going to line Samsungs pockets anymore. I'll wait to do my upgrade to the Next Nexus that hopefully will be made by a different manufacturer.
Samsung screwed their update processes with the million incarnations of our phones. Updates are too hard and lengthy for them to complete because of this, so they are taking the easy way out.
Samsungs war with Apple? They just sent a lot of SGS owners their way. At least you know your phone well always get updates provided the hardware is capable, even if they have to scale it down like they did on the 3GS.
I for one will never buy Apple, but count me in the camp of never buying Samsung again too if I don't get ICS officially from them.
My apologies for my rant.
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Here i come apple, samsung made me to. 3GS is older than sgs and it runs iOS5 from this year. Something android phones can just dream on.
I agree with you Greeced.
The SGS has been well maintained to date.
But the samsung's update policy is just catastrophic.
In some countries, people don't even have an official gingerbread update trough Kies.
Samsung sold millions of SGS in the world (the device is still available in most countries). Their policy is unacceptable. And it's too easy to blame the operators.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus phone (regardless of the manufacturer) because they are always good phones and it's a guarantee to have a long-term support.
To everyone that says "x company will lose sales", while that may be true, how many of the millions sold are used by people who have knowledge or interest in the latest android? Many buy the phone and enjoy it and use it, and just don't care or aren't particularly bothered by the update pattern.
What I find amazing is that the Galaxy S Plus isn't even on the list and that's what, 6 months old?
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Very disappointed by Samsung.
This is a high end device released in 2010 and already abandoned.
The S1 is perfectly compatible with ICS, this is pure business, or how to force
people to buy a new phone they don't need. Planned obsolescence, just like apple (but even Apple or HTC offer better software support...)
Of course there will be unofficial roms, but imho it's never the same quality as an official one.
Next time i'll choose an official google nexus device.
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I believe that is the mentality that they want the market to have...mission complete.
Samsung just announced that they will not be releasing ICS on SGS (i9000), hence we can safely assume that they will not be doing so on SGS+ (i9001) either as it's a less popular (even though faster) model. The amount of RAM is similar and aparently that's one of the reasons why SGS is not getting it, so unless someone will be able to "cook" one of the sources or a port of some kind, we're bound to 2.3.X
Oh，What a shame!!
this belongs in general. remember this is only for developers, any discussion belongs to general.
I believe the SGS is more than capable of handling ICS...it's just Samsung being too reluctant to develop such a ROM for a phone that's not as popular anymore.
Either way, I'm sure unsatisfied SGS users will find a solution here at XDA
Well, there are ports of ICS for SGS already and they run fine. Point is Samsung's not willing to do it as they wouldn't be able (suposedly) run their own bloatware and touchwiz on them alongside ICS. From my point of view as a SGS+ user that's bull, but it's just something that makes me not wanna ever buy a Samsung device again in the future, and I suppose there's more people who'll think similar.
Well technically they can if they only released one Galaxy S model across the globe, but as they have to make ROMs that allow their (and different carriers' in the case of the US) bloatware to function properly. With variants such as the Captivate, Epic, Vibrant, i9000B, i9000M....they probably reckon it's too much work.
That is correct but all they really need to do now is release sources and I'm sure that there's plenty smart enough folks out there who can do their job for them and for free...
Not saying to troll. But posts like "If they dont port an official ICS, I'm not going to buy a Samsung device again", "shame on samsung", "samsung should loose a lot of customers" and any other random hating is just dumb. Honestly, you don't get anything posting such comments. I am a SGS owner too, but look at the facts, SGS is old. (over 2 years) get over it. Somone will release a good and fast and stable ICS custom rom, thats what most user would end up using anyway.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410419