Hello everyone,
Have anyone heard about some sort of filesystem extension to the Storage Card? I once read somewhere, that it could fool WiMo, extending the windows folder (maybe other folders too) into the storage card. I tried to google it, but couldn't find anything. Does anyone knows what this is? Or any other technique to extend the internal storage other than the well known tips and installing/moving the apps to storage card?
Thanks much,
Fernando
Work through Sticky threads 1 and 2 (Tipps and Tricks, Boost performance) here and You´ll find everything ...................
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Work through Sticky threads 1 and 2 (Tipps and Tricks, Boost performance) here and You´ll find everything ...................
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Hello Angelo, thanks for the quick reply!
Before someone yells at me that every noob should read the stickies and search before posting, let me explain that I'm actually looking for some light on this "filesystem extension" or something similar... I guess I should have written (already edited) and named the thread more carefully, since I'm not really running out of space, just looking for options on extending the internal storage...
As for the stickies, I already have them applied - tip 67 (Save Some Space in Phone Storage Memory), 97 (Save Camera Photos Direct to Storage Card) or latter on the thread (moving the bluetooth inbox, ringtones and opera cache to the SD card), I'm aware of them and already have them applied, but yet if we keep installing every nice piece of software we find interesting, eventually we are going to run out of internal storage, even with several GBs free on storage card, but I know that installing a bunch of stuff it's not the expected or usual behavior.
Thanks again for the prompt and polite reply.
You won't run out of internal storage, delete My Device/Application Data/HTC/HTC ALBUM contents and the files inside 'Cache' as well, you can hold up to 20 meg or more in there.
Another idea is to delete My Device/Windows/Rings and just use your custom ring tone, message tones, if you use a decent file manager i.e. Resco you can uncover the hidden tones and delete them also, saving you around 8 meg or so.
My Device/My Wallpapers will save you another ~4 or so.
After flashing an updated Energy ROM I usually have exactly 38 meg of used storage, and after a few days of cache it usually settles to around 50-55 meg, I clear the HTC Album cache from time to time and it always keeps it well under 60 mbs.
I prefer to keep things on the internal storage (I mean system files, caching etc.) as it just seems faster than keeping it on the SD card, and it will also save you a wee bit of battery life as it won't need to keep accessing the card.
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Hello Angelo, thanks for the quick reply!
Before someone yells at me that every noob should read the stickies and search before posting, let me explain that I'm actually looking for some light on this "filesystem extension" or something similar... I guess I should have written (already edited) and named the thread more carefully, since I'm not really running out of space, just looking for options on extending the internal storage...
As for the stickies, I already have them applied - tip 67 (Save Some Space in Phone Storage Memory), 97 (Save Camera Photos Direct to Storage Card) or latter on the thread (moving the bluetooth inbox, ringtones and opera cache to the SD card), I'm aware of them and already have them applied, but yet if we keep installing every nice piece of software we find interesting, eventually we are going to run out of internal storage, even with several GBs free on storage card, but I know that installing a bunch of stuff it's not the expected or usual behavior.
Thanks again for the prompt and polite reply.
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Well then, since You already tweaked all possible items unfortunately this will be the maximum You can get.
Since Nov. 2009 - when I received my HD2 - I carefully read every post concerning int. memory and now with approx. 50 apps installed (all to storage card) I can keep the internal mem filled at 70% (approx. 54MB free mem).
Never forget: emails, sms, mms, contacts etc. are stored internally: the more You keep, the more mem is eaten up.
Since I use only one ringtone and only two avatars (1 x male, 1 x female) for contacts, no animated wallpapers and one selfmade background I deleted all other ringtones, wallpapers and anims.
If Copilot is installed on Your device move it to sd card also (PocketMechanic worked best for me to do this), makes up for another 10 MB of free space.
Enjoy
Thank you both for the reply!
Well, right now I have about 63 megs of free space in the internal storage, but there are still some apps I haven't installed after I flashed this new ROM.
A month ago I was trying almost every app - freewares and sharewares - to sort out what I really need to buy and which free apps work for me, but before I could test half of the apps and games I downloaded, I ran out of space. It wasn't really a problem since I was planning to hard reset my HD2 and then keep only the nice ones, but I decided to search for a possible solution and then read somewhere about this "filesystem extension"... But seems that I misplaced the bookmark and never found anything else on this... I guess it was some kind of scam...
Once again, thank you for taking the time to read and reply!
A file system extension to move the operating systems to SD card would not be a good idea, the performance would be very slow as access speeds are not good.
As for the htc album cache eating alot of memory there is the possibility to use some of the phones RAM (as the HD2 has way more than you need) as a virtual storage card or RAMDISK. You can move the HTC album cache, opera cache and manilla/windows temp files here.
This has the advantage of removing all these junk files everytime you reboot your phone and also making opera and the album run faster as writing cache files to RAM is much faster than writing to ROM
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Apologies if its a repeat post but I've been searching and could not find an answer.
How can I increase the memory on my XDA Pro. The memory remaining is showing 0.27 MB and it is constantly coming up with a "Storage Memory is Critically Low" message.
I store most of my work on the SD Card anyway. I've tried looking for large files to delete from the Pro but cant find anything.
Please help.
Thanks a lot everyone.
It sounds to me as if you have used up your storeage memory with applications. Assess your usage priority and move the programs that you don't use a lot of to your memory card.
How would I do that?
Is it just a case of copy and paste?
Also using something like Clear Temp (freeware) http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1489 will clear away all of those pesky temp files that take up all of your space.
You'll probably find you regain lots of space by doing this.
Search the forum for UPX - you can comress your apps to free up space and many of them will run faster too
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How would I do that?
Is it just a case of copy and paste?
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For moving programs, no. The best thing would be to uninstall from main memory and reinstall on a storage card. If there's any data related to an app, you'd want to back that up first so you don't lose it. I have a 4GB card in my Universal and have most of my third party apps installed on it to save the device memory. I just leave it in all the time.
Thank you all.
I finally managed to find out that I had over 10 MB in the temporary internet files, deleted all those and everything seems fine.
Also, managed to find out a lot of useful stuff as mentioned by you all in the above post.
Thank you all once again.
This is all great advice, but how do you tell which apps or data are located in Main memory? Is there some way to tell?
Lee.
Hi there, I kinda need some help here My phone memory just gets filled up more and more with no real reason every day. I have installed only 5-6 very important programs on the internal memory, but it still is almost filled up, although I have no pictures, music or videos in the phone.
Is there any way I can find which files are taking the most space and remove them, if possible? Or which programs are installed on the internal memory and how much space do they take?
Unfortunately, I can't do this while the phone is connected with my pc - it has some strange problem with analyzing size of a folder with folders inside it. For example, the Windows folder is calculated 0 bytes, but if I open it, every folder inside of it would have some size (except if it has another list of folders inside itself) :|
I really hope you can help me
You are not the first to post on this. Have you tried searching the forums on here to find an answer to your problem?
In no particular order the reasons for your problem are:
-Open applications not being closed.
- Caches running in device memory rather than on the SD card
- Music, video, pictures taking up space if not installed to external memory card.
- All applications being installed to internal memory.
Use this tool...http://www.google.com/advanced_sear...xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=allsearch to search for solutions.
Start by looking for the hints and tips thread right here!!
WB
1st, thanks for posting But:
I close all my apps all the time with the Task Manager.
As I said, I have no songs, pictures or any other type of multimedia saved on the internal memory.
I've got only 6-7 most important apps installed on the internal memory (and after installing them the memory wasn't even half full).
And please explain to me how can I use the camera tool for searching for solutions
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1st, thanks for posting But:
I close all my apps all the time with the Task Manager.
As I said, I have no songs, pictures or any other type of multimedia saved on the internal memory.
I've got only 6-7 most important apps installed on the internal memory (and after installing them the memory wasn't even half full).
And please explain to me how can I use the camera tool for searching for solutions
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What that important software is? Maybe one of them is storing it's temp files and cache files in phone memory and does not delete them when you close the app it self?
Triteata,
My apologies, wrong link. Never answer a post when you are tired . This is what I wanted to post: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:http://forum.xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all
Do take a look in the hints and tips thread which will tell you how to move your album and web browser caches to your SD card and help to shed some solutions on your problem.
WB
PS: Name the apps which are open please. These may be enough to kill your memory. The fact that they are "important" to you is irrelevant to how much memory they may be using up in cache use, etc.
Well:
Core Player
Duttys Task Manager
SPB Backup
Skype
Pocket RAR
Finger Keyboard
BsB Tweaks
Meon Game (downloaded via Marketplace :| )
Shazam
RegEditor
Total Commander
Although they're plenty, I doubt that any of them makes a serious Cache folder (except for Skype may be ).
Anyway, after deleting all the cache from albums, google maps and opera and moving it to the Card, I now have 60 mb of free space
Thanks for helping!
Actually, there is NO reason to install any of these programs in internal memory. It may help to uninstall and put them all on the SD Card.
OK guys..pardon my stupidity..i have read up on similar thread with similar situation but the thing is i do not know what is the best way to do it..i install the cleartemp but it's not working...i deleted my IE/Opera cache but i am still running on low memory..i wonder what is the best and simplest way to do it?other then hard reset thou...this phone is new to me and it's running on low memory already..my apps are install in my SD so i guess that wasn't an issue..SO! how do i free my phone memory?basically i use my phone to surf net..using IE..other then that would be youtube..need help!
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OK guys..pardon my stupidity..i have read up on similar thread with similar situation but the thing is i do not know what is the best way to do it..i install the cleartemp but it's not working...i deleted my IE/Opera cache but i am still running on low memory..i wonder what is the best and simplest way to do it?other then hard reset thou...this phone is new to me and it's running on low memory already..my apps are install in my SD so i guess that wasn't an issue..SO! how do i free my phone memory?basically i use my phone to surf net..using IE..other then that would be youtube..need help!
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how 'low' is 'low memory'?
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how 'low' is 'low memory'?
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And which memory because you are talking about installing apps when that has nothing directly to do with operating memory.
Installing on mem card doesn't "save" anything in this regard.
I'm also low on Storage-mem on the phone - even though I install programs on the memorycard whenever possible (and of course put my pictures, music and videos on the mem-card as well!).
I have 177mb free Program-memory on the phone but only 9.3mb storage-mem.
This makes programs such as the YouTube-app very unhappy as it seems to only be able to cache to internal storage-memory :-(
On older versions of WM you could change how the phone used it's internal memory with a slider in settings.
The phone also seemed to adjust this automatically as it became necessary.
Now however it seems that this possibility is gone (both manual and automatic adjustment).
I hope it is only my ignorance speaking so here's hoping that someone has a solution to this problem (fingers crossed)
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I'm also low on Storage-mem on the phone - even though I install programs on the memorycard whenever possible (and of course put my pictures, music and videos on the mem-card as well!).
I have 177mb free Program-memory on the phone but only 9.3mb storage-mem.
This makes programs such as the YouTube-app very unhappy as it seems to only be able to cache to internal storage-memory :-(
On older versions of WM you could change how the phone used it's internal memory with a slider in settings.
The phone also seemed to adjust this automatically as it became necessary.
Now however it seems that this possibility is gone (both manual and automatic adjustment).
I hope it is only my ignorance speaking so here's hoping that someone has a solution to this problem (fingers crossed)
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If you have used up storage mem then that's it but what have you installed to use it.
Mine shows 152Mb storage and 252Mb program memory free. 27 apps installed and everything running fine.
Do you install a lot of application from the Marketplace? If so, this defaults to install on internal memory
I have exactly the same issue, and it's very frustrating. Pretty crazy really as I can't use the phone for anything that uses device storage. No youtube, no media busy web pages and some apps refuse to run smoothly, or at all.
Like you, I'm always having to delete Opera & IE's cache files just to keep the phone functioning! I've also deleted all my Co-Pilot files on the card and the device - this helped a little and gave me another 5 or 6 MB of device space.
With all cache's cleared and around 30 programs installed (all on the card) I now only have 7.8MB of free device storage, which disappears within a few minutes when using Opera.
Out of the 336MB of program storage I have filled 153MB with 182MB free - I wish I could control how much memory is allocated to the program memory and device memory.
Very strange...I have any large applications like games, copliot etc installed on my SD card, only small apps on my internal memory...
Total storage: 200.15MB
Used storage: 119.99MB
Free storage: 80.16MB
Total program: 336.93MB
Used program: 170.54MB
Free profram: 166.89MB
i have a 16 meg Ram Disk (see the 'ram disk' thread ) and my system temp folders and caches, plus opera cache have been moved to it. Opera now runs really fast, and the cache is no longer taking up the storage memory, plus when you soft reset it clears out the cache too.
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I have exactly the same issue, and it's very frustrating. Pretty crazy really as I can't use the phone for anything that uses device storage. No youtube, no media busy web pages and some apps refuse to run smoothly, or at all.
Like you, I'm always having to delete Opera & IE's cache files just to keep the phone functioning! I've also deleted all my Co-Pilot files on the card and the device - this helped a little and gave me another 5 or 6 MB of device space.
With all cache's cleared and around 30 programs installed (all on the card) I now only have 7.8MB of free device storage, which disappears within a few minutes when using Opera.
Out of the 336MB of program storage I have filled 153MB with 182MB free - I wish I could control how much memory is allocated to the program memory and device memory.
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Wow thats so confusing!
Just tell us
Storage memory (where the apps are installed)
Program memory (where the apps and OS run)
You should have plenty of mem to install ail your apps and run them without a problem.
Try installing them all to phone because you have enough mem
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Wow thats so confusing!
Just tell us
Storage memory (where the apps are installed)
Program memory (where the apps and OS run)
You should have plenty of mem to install ail your apps and run them without a problem.
Try installing them all to phone because you have enough mem
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I have since day 1 installed all my programs to the memory card apart from a couple of programs and hotfixes which I though would be smarter if I installed to the device - but these are tiny. I have also set my marketplace to default to the memory card and removed all co-pilot files and set all podcasts to the microSD too.
Total Storage: 200.27
Used Storage: 191.48
Free Storage: 8.79 (whohooo, that's much bigger than normal!)
Total Program: 336.93
Used Program: 143.89
Free Program: 192.93
SD Card: Over 2GB's free
I really have no idea what's using all my internal storage.
Yep - that's about the same for me.
Only a few apps are installed directly on the phone (the ones that install without letting the user decide where they want them) so what's hogging my phone-storage is beyond me...
But I really don't need close to 200 mb of program-memory, is there really no way to use some of this memory for storage - as was possible with earlier versions of WM?
Have you tried importing to PC, such as pictures and other things, using Windows Mobile Centre?
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I have since day 1 installed all my programs to the memory card apart from a couple of programs and hotfixes which I though would be smarter if I installed to the device - but these are tiny. I have also set my marketplace to default to the memory card and removed all co-pilot files and set all podcasts to the microSD too.
Total Storage: 200.27
Used Storage: 191.48
Free Storage: 8.79 (whohooo, that's much bigger than normal!)
Total Program: 336.93
Used Program: 143.89
Free Program: 192.93
SD Card: Over 2GB's free
I really have no idea what's using all my internal storage.
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Yes but why? Storage mem is there for, well, storage. So why not use it?
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Yes but why? Storage mem is there for, well, storage. So why not use it?
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I can't help but think that you've missed the point - when the storage memory is full the phone ceases to function properly!
It uses this area of storage for the cache files for the browser and for applications such as you tube. When I start the youtube app, if it opens at all, it will say 'Critically low on system memory...etc' and shut down after playing a few seconds. If I have many tabs open in opera the same memory problem occurs.
The 'Device Storage' partition is full (with what I don't know) whilst the 'Device Program' partition is almost empty. We have no control over what sizes those partitions are. Maybe i've got it all wrong but either way it's really limiting the usefulness of the phone.
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But I really don't need close to 200 mb of program-memory, is there really no way to use some of this memory for storage - as was possible with earlier versions of WM?
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yes there is. as I mentioned in post 9, I use a ram disk for my temp files and cache. lives in program memory but shows up as a (fast) memory card.
search for the ram disk thread.
also, as regards figuring out what is taking up all the space, use a file manager (don't forget to unhide all files) and search for everything over....say....1 meg.
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I can't help but think that you've missed the point - when the storage memory is full the phone ceases to function properly!
It uses this area of storage for the cache files for the browser and for applications such as you tube. When I start the youtube app, if it opens at all, it will say 'Critically low on system memory...etc' and shut down after playing a few seconds. If I have many tabs open in opera the same memory problem occurs.
The 'Device Storage' partition is full (with what I don't know) whilst the 'Device Program' partition is almost empty. We have no control over what sizes those partitions are. Maybe i've got it all wrong but either way it's really limiting the usefulness of the phone.
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No I haven't missed the point, I just don't get the problem and I'm trying to figure out why not?
And that would help you. Something is causing certain phones to behave this way. I use youtube and opera and never have to clear out anything.
I currently have 36 apps showing on my start menu screen and memory is showing as Storage 152.13 Mb free and program 313.80 Mb free.
I run Titanium (not manilla UI) and I have LeoLite ROM installed.
Something in that setup is causing the phone to respond differently!
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u can do these things
1. instal darkcab catcher----on this website...moves all the programs to external storage
2. moves ur htc album cache and opera cache to external storage
hash1234 said:
u can do these things
1. instal darkcab catcher----on this website...moves all the programs to external storage
2. moves ur htc album cache and opera cache to external storage
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I might be a little bit stupid, but on what website can I find darkcab catcher?
I've had my HD2 for about a week now. I've installed maybe 3 or 4 apps directly to the device (not to SD Card). I'm now in the situation of not being able to d/l any videos etc. due to having insufficient memory! I can't believe it!!!
Device total storage stands at 200.40MB
Used storage= 189.02MB
Free storage= 11.38MB
However below this info my phone is showing ''Free program storage'' as being 178.38MB. While my SD card is showing Free Memory being at 1453.95MB.
Would the solution be to transfer everything to SD card and only install to the SD card in future?
Yep I would, saves the phones internal memory
I install any non-system apps to the card, anything that needs access to the system files goes on my phone
Found this article on a blog:
Just go on google and search "windows mobile marketplace:choose where to install"
Click the 3rd one down-DarkBlog
(Apologies for not placing a direct link, I'm a new member, so It won't allow me to put outside links right now, sorry for the inconvenience)
It might help you a little?
Gonna have a look at that, looks good
LINK:
http://blog.idlezone.org/post/2010/01/11/Windows-Mobile-MarketPlace-:-choose-where-to-install
GadgetTechPlus said:
Found this article on a blog:
Just go on google and search "windows mobile marketplace:choose where to install"
Click the 3rd one down-DarkBlog
(Apologies for not placing a direct link, I'm a new member, so It won't allow me to put outside links right now, sorry for the inconvenience)
It might help you a little?
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Thank you. That's really helpful.
These reports of low memory are really starting to bug me.
It would appear that there is something going on that is not fully understand because there is no way that you should run out of phone storage memory with only 4 apps installed!
A serious in depth investigation is needed to unearth the cause.
I have 27 apps installed and I have 152Mb of storage memory left.
Could you tell us what ROM you are running?
Did you go to the task manager and see what is running and try ending the tasks? If you don't kill programs in there they will eat up your system memory... Specially if you are downloading a bunch of porn... Opera is probably using up a bunch.
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Did you go to the task manager and see what is running and try ending the tasks? If you don't kill programs in there they will eat up your system memory... Specially if you are downloading a bunch of porn... Opera is probably using up a bunch.
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Thats not the memory the OP was talking about. Unless I've got it all wrong! Or you have!
I think you are referring to Program memory. The OP was talking about Storage memory and how something was using it up.
This is all very strange.
Things you should definitely look at
1. Where are your camera pictures and camcorder videos stored? ---> if you select device and not storage on the camera app or camcorder app settings, then u are my friend putting pictures and videos you've taken to the sdcard...
solutions: go to ur camera app settings and look at where u are storing the pictures...
or go to ur file explorer, go to ur device's memory and check if they are there...
if they are there, then copy and paste them to ur sd card...
2. set ur outlook, yahoo e-mail and stuff to be stored in sd card, not device's memory...
3. idk what else you have in there to have that very little memory left...
Oh I missed that... My phone has 686.12 Total Storage, 190.64 used, 495.48 free. I have installed all of the apps on the Storage card though. If his says that the total storage is 200 or whatever, that sounds like the problem... Should be like a gb of total device memory between storage and programs...
It seems that Opera 9 saves downloads to a folder on the phones 'device memory', but it doesn't always delete them when you tell opera to do so in the downloads menu tab.
It saves them too: \My Device\Windows\opera9\profile\download
When I deleated most of the files there it released over 110 MB of space in the device storage.
I wonder where other programs save similar files?
Sam.
Have a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638 for tips on freeing some space. The HTC Album cache is my biggest storage hog. Even then, like you, I have just a few programs installed to my internal store and hardly any memory left. The UK version has less storage than the USA HD2 which makes matters worse.
maybe for the euro hd2, cleartemp could help. It can help find those caches and delete them regularly.
I have the tmous version and flash all the time so I don't have that problem.
Also look for the youtube cache. I've heard it can get pretty big if you look at a lot of youtube vids.
edit: go find cleartemp. There are loads of stuff it can clear for you.
I found 10mb under thumbs.db alone.
Not to mention a few mb for google maps and for opera cache each.
you can also add custom folders to be cleaned as well. I haven't looked too much into it, but maybe I should.
Just remember that caches help your phone run faster, so don't erase them unless you need the memory.
This thread has good suggestions. But most are usual recommendations that will help but perhaps not resolve the issue completely (well a couple of posts do mention temp issues). I had a similar experience recently.
A couple of facts:
1. I install all my apps into the main memory. Never had issues. Opera, IE cache, temps all there by default.
2. I download and save on SD. Music, films, pictures, documents, Android are all there.
3. Still I have plenty of room for storage.
And then I suddenly had that warning!
The cause was temp made by the default ZIP utility that used up almost all my storage space. That utility works fine until I wanted to uncompress 160 mb zip from SD into another SD folder. It started uncompressing, used all storage temp space, gave me error, and closed. It didn't clean the temp though!
I cleaned a bit manually and then installed SK tools that cleaned my device properly and everything is fine now. It is very simple issue and similar to running out of disk space on a PC.
Bottom line: it is unlikely that usual apps use so much storage. I bet on downloads and big user files left in storage and finally huge temp files as leftovers of unsuccessful uncompressing for example.
Hi there. Just wondering if anyone has a solution to resolving my internal memory situation, my phone keeps telling that the internal memory in critically low, I've deletes all my messages, most of my pictures bar the odd few that were sent to me from some hot chick, and I mean really hot!! sorry as I was saying, I deleted almost everything and I still keep on getting this message popping up. Does anyone know what I need to do, and also would it be advisable to save my message and everything else to the SD card automatically once it's sorted?
Cheers
try ClearTemp,
if you want some insight into storage load, try MemMaid - it has nice 'Storage usage' tab, to quote:
See where your storage memory is consumed, explore those directories using the system file explorer (or your own custom explorer) or compare the directories size using MemMaid's charts
(app is commercial, but this feature should work on trial version)
Take a look at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
65. + 67 are two hints off the top of my head.
Go to My Device\Application Data\HTC\HTC Album and delete the contents of the folder and the Cache folder. You can get 20 meg + in there quite easily.
If you don't use WM default ringtones you can delete My Device\Windows\Rings that will save you 6 meg.
My Device\My Documents\My Wallpapers will save you 3 meg.
And using Clear Temp is a very good idea, make sure all of your photos are being saved on the SD card.
Installing programs to your SD card also, some will by default save to the system device like some of the HD2 games.
You can also just force-delete some of the programs on your HD2 that you don't use by going to My Device\Program Files, taking out the ones that are installed by default with your networks ROM is a good idea.
And if you haven't already, flashing a custom ROM will reduce your OS's footprint even further, I can get ~165 meg of free storage from Energy ROMs following the steps above after flashing a new ROM, that's only ~35 meg of memory used by the system, instead of ~60 meg from your network providers ROM.