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Question regarding the Internal memory of O2 XDA Exec

Hi all,
Could anyone please tell me the differences between the storage memory and the program memory? Yeah, I know this might sounds stupid and I also wish that the answer is really that straight forward.
I always thought that 'Program Memory' is suppose the memory quota for us to install application & softwares. Where, storage memory is just simply the portion of memory where we stores data that we creates.
But whenever I install applications, 'storage' is the memory which always to be used up. Yet, I can hardly use up my 'program' portion of memory...
Can anyone tell me why? and how to install applications in the program memory instead of storage memory?
Thank you very much.
Cheers!

Search would have helped a great deal here, FAQ.
Storage is Flash
Programs is RAM
WM5 works the same way as a desktop. It loads the OS from disk to RAM when you power it on. When you remove the battery everything is safely stored to disc, not RAM as WM2003 was. Battery can go flat, no backup battery needed.

PReDiToR said:
Search would have helped a great deal here, FAQ.
Storage is Flash
Programs is RAM
WM5 works the same way as a desktop. It loads the OS from disk to RAM when you power it on. When you remove the battery everything is safely stored to disc, not RAM as WM2003 was. Battery can go flat, no backup battery needed.
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..... so how do you save stuff to Program memory? Or is that just temp momory that stuff runs from when you execute it?

You can`t save stuff to program memory.The program memory is like the RAM in your PC,just used for temporary storage and running programs.The storage memory is like the hard drive in your PC,used for actually `storing` data.

liverman666 said:
You can`t save stuff to program memory.The program memory is like the RAM in your PC,just used for temporary storage and running programs.The storage memory is like the hard drive in your PC,used for actually `storing` data.
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So why do they bother displaying it on the memory settings?
And does that mean it's different to how it was on the XDA2? That used to have a slider allowing you to change the allocation for storage/program memory.

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I find storage memory is the one you need to watch out. As you install more programs whether to SD card or to Program memory the storage memory goes down
Too low storage memory and your system will not perform properly. Install programs with large file size first then follow by programs with smaller file size otherwise you'll encounter installation 'Not enough memory' if you do it the other way round

Internal memory fills up for no reason :(

Hi there, I kinda need some help here My phone memory just gets filled up more and more with no real reason every day. I have installed only 5-6 very important programs on the internal memory, but it still is almost filled up, although I have no pictures, music or videos in the phone.
Is there any way I can find which files are taking the most space and remove them, if possible? Or which programs are installed on the internal memory and how much space do they take?
Unfortunately, I can't do this while the phone is connected with my pc - it has some strange problem with analyzing size of a folder with folders inside it. For example, the Windows folder is calculated 0 bytes, but if I open it, every folder inside of it would have some size (except if it has another list of folders inside itself) :|
I really hope you can help me

You are not the first to post on this. Have you tried searching the forums on here to find an answer to your problem?
In no particular order the reasons for your problem are:
-Open applications not being closed.
- Caches running in device memory rather than on the SD card
- Music, video, pictures taking up space if not installed to external memory card.
- All applications being installed to internal memory.
Use this tool...http://www.google.com/advanced_sear...xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=allsearch to search for solutions.
Start by looking for the hints and tips thread right here!!
WB

1st, thanks for posting But:
I close all my apps all the time with the Task Manager.
As I said, I have no songs, pictures or any other type of multimedia saved on the internal memory.
I've got only 6-7 most important apps installed on the internal memory (and after installing them the memory wasn't even half full).
And please explain to me how can I use the camera tool for searching for solutions

triteata said:
1st, thanks for posting But:
I close all my apps all the time with the Task Manager.
As I said, I have no songs, pictures or any other type of multimedia saved on the internal memory.
I've got only 6-7 most important apps installed on the internal memory (and after installing them the memory wasn't even half full).
And please explain to me how can I use the camera tool for searching for solutions
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What that important software is? Maybe one of them is storing it's temp files and cache files in phone memory and does not delete them when you close the app it self?

Triteata,
My apologies, wrong link. Never answer a post when you are tired . This is what I wanted to post: http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:http://forum.xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all
Do take a look in the hints and tips thread which will tell you how to move your album and web browser caches to your SD card and help to shed some solutions on your problem.
WB
PS: Name the apps which are open please. These may be enough to kill your memory. The fact that they are "important" to you is irrelevant to how much memory they may be using up in cache use, etc.

Well:
Core Player
Duttys Task Manager
SPB Backup
Skype
Pocket RAR
Finger Keyboard
BsB Tweaks
Meon Game (downloaded via Marketplace :| )
Shazam
RegEditor
Total Commander
Although they're plenty, I doubt that any of them makes a serious Cache folder (except for Skype may be ).
Anyway, after deleting all the cache from albums, google maps and opera and moving it to the Card, I now have 60 mb of free space
Thanks for helping!

Actually, there is NO reason to install any of these programs in internal memory. It may help to uninstall and put them all on the SD Card.

sd card vs mainmemory

would there be ever be a hack that can turn you memorycard into your mainmemory just likee the iphone haves built in memory.Because hate running out of memory on my windowsmobile phones and have the apps i use dont even really save to the memory card its always using the main memory

pr
how do you disable all the fullmemory notifications on windows devices

julian2596 said:
how do you disable all the fullmemory notifications on windows devices
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What apps are you talking about. most memory space goes to pics and music, which can be stored on the card. And you can install extract programs on your card instead of you internal memory.

fmadr
but that using up my memory i save everthing to my memory card but main memory still be draining it self dont know why

SD cards are only ever storage memory. The card behaves like a disk drive, that appears to be connected to the mount point '\Storage Card', or whatever your machine is configured to call it, there is a registry hack to change it if you want.
Storage space must be read into main memory, before the CPU can get at it. Access time is pretty quick, but nowhere near main memory speeds.
It's there for storing stuff as its name implies. Apps, data, movies, music, etc etc. It's not much use for anything else.

It sounds like you're confusing program and storage memory. If you're getting program memory errors, then you need to get a task manager and get better control of running applications/processes, or get a task manager that closes applications instead of minimizing them with the 'x' button.
If you are having storage memory issues, then you need to check for log files that might be hogging all the storage memory. Or get a utility like ClearTemp to empty out temporary folders. If you do a lot of streaming, sometimes you can get large stream dumps that aren't properly deleted and that hog a lot of memory.

julian2596 said:
but that using up my memory i save everthing to my memory card but main memory still be draining it self dont know why
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You have probably some large log files, created by ActiveSync or some other program. Use SKTools or something similar to find it, clean Your main memory and disable the logging once You know where it comes from. That way it doesn't fill up Your main memory.

Farmer Ted said:
It sounds like you're confusing program and storage memory. If you're getting program memory errors, then you need to get a task manager and get better control of running applications/processes, or get a task manager that closes applications instead of minimizing them with the 'x' button.
If you are having storage memory issues, then you need to check for log files that might be hogging all the storage memory. Or get a utility like ClearTemp to empty out temporary folders. If you do a lot of streaming, sometimes you can get large stream dumps that aren't properly deleted and that hog a lot of memory.
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Ted You beat me to it by a minute

thats everyone
thanks using sktools way better in so good. oh and there any developers out there

SD-Card Driver 4 Read Speed
Hello all,
While mentioning SK-Tools ;
Not so long ago I stumbled over this thread;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2915068&postcount=1
So use SK-Tools its benchmarking capabilities to test your SD-Card before(!) and after the 'driver' (tnyynt SD TuneUP) mentioned above is installed!!!
It's kinda technical and a lot of 'know how' is discussed, but the main thing = tnyynt SD TuneUP, I assure you, will boost your SD-Card READiNG-PERFORMANCE!!!
Ofcourse, making a backup in advance could make a difference for everyone installing this,
Senax
P.S. I did not make a backup in advance!

How many sms & email do you have, both of these save to the main memory, a few hundred+ will soon fill it up. Internet Explorer cache is the other one to check. These are the 2 biggest memory users.

Can you cook? If so Extendir endir may help in achieving more free Main Memory space...
Hope this helps.

they should make you be able to use you memory card as your main memory or least fix instead of worrying about the windowsmobile7series that not coming out in the end of this year.

Very little Device Memory HD2. (What? Already!!!)

I've had my HD2 for about a week now. I've installed maybe 3 or 4 apps directly to the device (not to SD Card). I'm now in the situation of not being able to d/l any videos etc. due to having insufficient memory! I can't believe it!!!
Device total storage stands at 200.40MB
Used storage= 189.02MB
Free storage= 11.38MB
However below this info my phone is showing ''Free program storage'' as being 178.38MB. While my SD card is showing Free Memory being at 1453.95MB.
Would the solution be to transfer everything to SD card and only install to the SD card in future?

Yep I would, saves the phones internal memory

I install any non-system apps to the card, anything that needs access to the system files goes on my phone

Found this article on a blog:
Just go on google and search "windows mobile marketplace:choose where to install"
Click the 3rd one down-DarkBlog
(Apologies for not placing a direct link, I'm a new member, so It won't allow me to put outside links right now, sorry for the inconvenience)
It might help you a little?

Gonna have a look at that, looks good
LINK:
http://blog.idlezone.org/post/2010/01/11/Windows-Mobile-MarketPlace-:-choose-where-to-install

GadgetTechPlus said:
Found this article on a blog:
Just go on google and search "windows mobile marketplace:choose where to install"
Click the 3rd one down-DarkBlog
(Apologies for not placing a direct link, I'm a new member, so It won't allow me to put outside links right now, sorry for the inconvenience)
It might help you a little?
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Thank you. That's really helpful.

These reports of low memory are really starting to bug me.
It would appear that there is something going on that is not fully understand because there is no way that you should run out of phone storage memory with only 4 apps installed!
A serious in depth investigation is needed to unearth the cause.
I have 27 apps installed and I have 152Mb of storage memory left.
Could you tell us what ROM you are running?

Did you go to the task manager and see what is running and try ending the tasks? If you don't kill programs in there they will eat up your system memory... Specially if you are downloading a bunch of porn... Opera is probably using up a bunch.

crisisinthecity said:
Did you go to the task manager and see what is running and try ending the tasks? If you don't kill programs in there they will eat up your system memory... Specially if you are downloading a bunch of porn... Opera is probably using up a bunch.
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Thats not the memory the OP was talking about. Unless I've got it all wrong! Or you have!
I think you are referring to Program memory. The OP was talking about Storage memory and how something was using it up.
This is all very strange.

Things you should definitely look at
1. Where are your camera pictures and camcorder videos stored? ---> if you select device and not storage on the camera app or camcorder app settings, then u are my friend putting pictures and videos you've taken to the sdcard...
solutions: go to ur camera app settings and look at where u are storing the pictures...
or go to ur file explorer, go to ur device's memory and check if they are there...
if they are there, then copy and paste them to ur sd card...
2. set ur outlook, yahoo e-mail and stuff to be stored in sd card, not device's memory...
3. idk what else you have in there to have that very little memory left...

Oh I missed that... My phone has 686.12 Total Storage, 190.64 used, 495.48 free. I have installed all of the apps on the Storage card though. If his says that the total storage is 200 or whatever, that sounds like the problem... Should be like a gb of total device memory between storage and programs...

It seems that Opera 9 saves downloads to a folder on the phones 'device memory', but it doesn't always delete them when you tell opera to do so in the downloads menu tab.
It saves them too: \My Device\Windows\opera9\profile\download
When I deleated most of the files there it released over 110 MB of space in the device storage.
I wonder where other programs save similar files?
Sam.

Have a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638 for tips on freeing some space. The HTC Album cache is my biggest storage hog. Even then, like you, I have just a few programs installed to my internal store and hardly any memory left. The UK version has less storage than the USA HD2 which makes matters worse.

maybe for the euro hd2, cleartemp could help. It can help find those caches and delete them regularly.
I have the tmous version and flash all the time so I don't have that problem.
Also look for the youtube cache. I've heard it can get pretty big if you look at a lot of youtube vids.
edit: go find cleartemp. There are loads of stuff it can clear for you.
I found 10mb under thumbs.db alone.
Not to mention a few mb for google maps and for opera cache each.
you can also add custom folders to be cleaned as well. I haven't looked too much into it, but maybe I should.
Just remember that caches help your phone run faster, so don't erase them unless you need the memory.

This thread has good suggestions. But most are usual recommendations that will help but perhaps not resolve the issue completely (well a couple of posts do mention temp issues). I had a similar experience recently.
A couple of facts:
1. I install all my apps into the main memory. Never had issues. Opera, IE cache, temps all there by default.
2. I download and save on SD. Music, films, pictures, documents, Android are all there.
3. Still I have plenty of room for storage.
And then I suddenly had that warning!
The cause was temp made by the default ZIP utility that used up almost all my storage space. That utility works fine until I wanted to uncompress 160 mb zip from SD into another SD folder. It started uncompressing, used all storage temp space, gave me error, and closed. It didn't clean the temp though!
I cleaned a bit manually and then installed SK tools that cleaned my device properly and everything is fine now. It is very simple issue and similar to running out of disk space on a PC.
Bottom line: it is unlikely that usual apps use so much storage. I bet on downloads and big user files left in storage and finally huge temp files as leftovers of unsuccessful uncompressing for example.

Internal storage, how to keep it from depleting?

Hello everyone,
Have anyone heard about some sort of filesystem extension to the Storage Card? I once read somewhere, that it could fool WiMo, extending the windows folder (maybe other folders too) into the storage card. I tried to google it, but couldn't find anything. Does anyone knows what this is? Or any other technique to extend the internal storage other than the well known tips and installing/moving the apps to storage card?
Thanks much,
Fernando

Work through Sticky threads 1 and 2 (Tipps and Tricks, Boost performance) here and You´ll find everything ...................

troed said:
Work through Sticky threads 1 and 2 (Tipps and Tricks, Boost performance) here and You´ll find everything ...................
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Hello Angelo, thanks for the quick reply!
Before someone yells at me that every noob should read the stickies and search before posting, let me explain that I'm actually looking for some light on this "filesystem extension" or something similar... I guess I should have written (already edited) and named the thread more carefully, since I'm not really running out of space, just looking for options on extending the internal storage...
As for the stickies, I already have them applied - tip 67 (Save Some Space in Phone Storage Memory), 97 (Save Camera Photos Direct to Storage Card) or latter on the thread (moving the bluetooth inbox, ringtones and opera cache to the SD card), I'm aware of them and already have them applied, but yet if we keep installing every nice piece of software we find interesting, eventually we are going to run out of internal storage, even with several GBs free on storage card, but I know that installing a bunch of stuff it's not the expected or usual behavior.
Thanks again for the prompt and polite reply.

You won't run out of internal storage, delete My Device/Application Data/HTC/HTC ALBUM contents and the files inside 'Cache' as well, you can hold up to 20 meg or more in there.
Another idea is to delete My Device/Windows/Rings and just use your custom ring tone, message tones, if you use a decent file manager i.e. Resco you can uncover the hidden tones and delete them also, saving you around 8 meg or so.
My Device/My Wallpapers will save you another ~4 or so.
After flashing an updated Energy ROM I usually have exactly 38 meg of used storage, and after a few days of cache it usually settles to around 50-55 meg, I clear the HTC Album cache from time to time and it always keeps it well under 60 mbs.
I prefer to keep things on the internal storage (I mean system files, caching etc.) as it just seems faster than keeping it on the SD card, and it will also save you a wee bit of battery life as it won't need to keep accessing the card.

7013d0 said:
Hello Angelo, thanks for the quick reply!
Before someone yells at me that every noob should read the stickies and search before posting, let me explain that I'm actually looking for some light on this "filesystem extension" or something similar... I guess I should have written (already edited) and named the thread more carefully, since I'm not really running out of space, just looking for options on extending the internal storage...
As for the stickies, I already have them applied - tip 67 (Save Some Space in Phone Storage Memory), 97 (Save Camera Photos Direct to Storage Card) or latter on the thread (moving the bluetooth inbox, ringtones and opera cache to the SD card), I'm aware of them and already have them applied, but yet if we keep installing every nice piece of software we find interesting, eventually we are going to run out of internal storage, even with several GBs free on storage card, but I know that installing a bunch of stuff it's not the expected or usual behavior.
Thanks again for the prompt and polite reply.
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Well then, since You already tweaked all possible items unfortunately this will be the maximum You can get.
Since Nov. 2009 - when I received my HD2 - I carefully read every post concerning int. memory and now with approx. 50 apps installed (all to storage card) I can keep the internal mem filled at 70% (approx. 54MB free mem).
Never forget: emails, sms, mms, contacts etc. are stored internally: the more You keep, the more mem is eaten up.
Since I use only one ringtone and only two avatars (1 x male, 1 x female) for contacts, no animated wallpapers and one selfmade background I deleted all other ringtones, wallpapers and anims.
If Copilot is installed on Your device move it to sd card also (PocketMechanic worked best for me to do this), makes up for another 10 MB of free space.
Enjoy

Thank you both for the reply!
Well, right now I have about 63 megs of free space in the internal storage, but there are still some apps I haven't installed after I flashed this new ROM.
A month ago I was trying almost every app - freewares and sharewares - to sort out what I really need to buy and which free apps work for me, but before I could test half of the apps and games I downloaded, I ran out of space. It wasn't really a problem since I was planning to hard reset my HD2 and then keep only the nice ones, but I decided to search for a possible solution and then read somewhere about this "filesystem extension"... But seems that I misplaced the bookmark and never found anything else on this... I guess it was some kind of scam...
Once again, thank you for taking the time to read and reply!

A file system extension to move the operating systems to SD card would not be a good idea, the performance would be very slow as access speeds are not good.
As for the htc album cache eating alot of memory there is the possibility to use some of the phones RAM (as the HD2 has way more than you need) as a virtual storage card or RAMDISK. You can move the HTC album cache, opera cache and manilla/windows temp files here.
This has the advantage of removing all these junk files everytime you reboot your phone and also making opera and the album run faster as writing cache files to RAM is much faster than writing to ROM