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[FIXED (repaired!)] Touchscreen/keyboard 'bounce' (update 26-10-10)

I've tried a lot of android builds whilst the development has been going on and found that Bangster's 1.4 coupled with Michy's R11 was the best for me with regard to screen sensitivity and keyboard accuracy.
I recently had a dabble with m-deejay's next-gen builds Desire HD/Z etc (which are excellent by the way, credit to him), and found that I was getting a lot of screen bounce, missed button presses and a very frustating keyboard experience (Hastarin R7.1). Pressing and holding the delete key for example would result in keypresses bouncing all over the place, sometimes several keys removed from the delete key. I tried a plain Froyo Sense build and found the same thing, although not quite as bad.
So, I decided to try the bare kernel from Michyprima's R11 (AXI, Desire, OC) on my current Froyo Desire build just to see if it was down to the kernal 100%. Instant bounce removal... keyboard is accurate and now when I press & hold on the home screen, I don't get the screen wobbling from side to side as the software thinks that I'm moving my finger around rapidly.
To recap; it seems like I was getting more bounce with Hastarin's R7.1 than any other, but certainly Michy's R11 (Desire based) is making my phone usable again. It really was bad before.
More messing required methinks... I may re-load the Desire Z build on to my SD card and try R11 to see what it's like. One thing I remember is whilst trying m-deejay's Desire HD 3.1 (which had an Evo kernel IIRC), keyboard bounce was almost non-existant. It wasn't until I changed to D-HD 3.3 that the keyboard became a pain to use (Hastarin R7.1).
Hastarin if you read this, please note this is by no means a dig, I have the greatest respect for all the guys posting builds here, these are just my obvservations.
As with all things Android/HD2 related, YMMV. Your thoughts are welcome.
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Edit: I've taken a couple of quick videos of m-deejay's brand new 3.4 Desire HD build showing this phenomenon (kernal is huanyu's #21). Replacing the zImage with Michy's R11 virtually eliminates it.
Video 1 - homescreen
Video 2 - keyboard
Could this be Windows ROM related? Might flash another WinMo ROM to see if it's any different.
Edit 2 Sent my HD2 back to HTC today, hopefully for TS replacement... see relevant post here.
Edit 3 Received my HD2 back from HTC's repair department. Problem fixed. No more bouncing Relevant post here.

No-one else with similar experiences?

Me too!
previously was using M-deejay's froyo sense 2.2 and the keyboard was a great improvement from my old stock HD2 Windows keyboard, which was oversensitive and jumps alot, making typing a hassle. I did not have any problems with the froyo sense 2.2 keyboard, it was accurate and sufficiently responsive, and even have my essential chinese input.
However, after the 2.4 version was released, i updated it, and noted that the browser's bookmark crashes. So i though, why not give EVO Sense 1.6 a try?
Btw, i did not realise any problems with the 2.4 keyboard, so it's probably as good as the 2.2 version.
Then i ran EVO sense 1.6, and i feel that the keyboard is different. Firstly it's the additional arrow buttons below, which is useful, and more like the original HD2's keyboard. Then it also has chinese input.
BUT i experience alot of the "bouncing" problems, if not more than my original HD2 windows rom. tried calibrating a few times, and deleting the calibration, but it doesn't help.
i want to emphasize again i am very grateful to all the developers like M-deejay, Hastarin, for developing all these builds that are effectively working. this is likewise, just my observation.

Anyone else? I can't believe it's just us two!

Videos added to 1st post.

I tried to replicate your problem (m-deejay's Desire HD 3.4) but I coulnd't. I also thinkg that the keyboarad its not as accurate as some of the builds but its not that bad as yours.

I'm sorry to say but the lag with the keyboard kinda looks funny
My keyboard isn't very accurate too. Sometimes it just takes the wrong key. I mean when I press the backslash it takes "m" or something although i was pressing backslash. This was on Hastarin 4.1.
But it really seems to be kernel related. With the r11 my keyboard is okay.
I don't think is caused by the WM ROM, but which one do you use?

have the same prob!

yep...and I get phantom touches also.

jaka.erc said:
I tried to replicate your problem (m-deejay's Desire HD 3.4) but I coulnd't. I also thinkg that the keyboarad its not as accurate as some of the builds but its not that bad as yours.
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What WinMo ROM are you running?
JanssoN said:
I'm sorry to say but the lag with the keyboard kinda looks funny
My keyboard isn't very accurate too. Sometimes it just takes the wrong key. I mean when I press the backslash it takes "m" or something although i was pressing backslash. This was on Hastarin 4.1.
But it really seems to be kernel related. With the r11 my keyboard is okay.
I don't think is caused by the WM ROM, but which one do you use?
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anoschka666 said:
have the same prob!
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muzicman0 said:
yep...and I get phantom touches also.
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Try changing your zImage to Michyprima's R11 and post your findings

Major_Sarcasm said:
No-one else with similar experiences?
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OK ! very common HD2 touchscreen failure! ...ur touchscreen is defective ....there are many threads already on xda regarding this ...but could not be solved because this is a hardware problem ...this even happens in winmo ! here are the youtube videos having same problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhhrA3u4rcI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJJ1eyM9FM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHn9CaHFpk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY60I9Z0RU0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSvAlqw6HJw&feature=more_related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hIE_wV4djs&feature=more_related
and here is my thread about this in detail - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745255
so , the conclusion is ...u have to get ur screen replaced under warranty ....i had the same problem with my hd2 ...and i got so pissed ...so get ur screen changed and that is the only solution !
hope that helps -
cheers
coolbeer1990

Got it to but not in my homescreen. When I am typing with swype ... When I try to delete a word it will write 10 :X nice feature but its really anoying. But lets wait I thing dev know about it let wait for nand and the bother them with this. I heard It is a long way to nand

coolbeer1990 said:
so , the conclusion is ...u have to get ur screen replaced under warranty ....i had the same problem with my hd2 ...and i got so pissed ...so get ur screen changed and that is the only solution !
hope that helps -
cheers
coolbeer1990
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Thanks for your reply. However, my screen isn't defective as I don't have this problem in Windows and using a different kernel fixes it.

major_sarcasm said:
thanks for your reply. However, my screen isn't defective as i don't have this problem in windows and using a different kernel fixes it.
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that's great my friend

Well.. i have the same thing in hastarins latest kernel

I dont have this on DesireZ out the box.

I have MDeejay's latest Desire HD build and have this problem, how do I fix it? If I need to replace the Kernel how do I do it? What side effects will it have?
Thanks in advance

keyboard bounce also experienced by me when i am trying to type fast, using hastrin r7.1 as well, maybe is caused by the touchscreen delay?

have you tried keyboard calibration?
in the setting menu ..
it ask you to type that ..lazy brown fox jumps..
it helps me alot.. well some of it i guess
and also try the schrub bartome build. the keyboard is perfect-iphone like. im using this build for day use

I experience the same issue with the new kernel releases. But with hastarin #3 the touchscreen works normally.
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-= Post Your - NAND / RAM / SD - Boot Times! =-

So .. It Seems the with SD / RAM / NAND
My Poor HD2 Takes Forever to boot!
Lets Post Some Speeds ... See How It Is Compared!
Mine NAND is ..
Boot Loader : 24.5 < Were go go go Ends
Service and Lock Screen : 245.5
Lock Screen With Service & Data : 258.5
Total: 283 Secs = 4.72 Minutes ????
Seems Like a Lot .. When WM Boots in what 1-3?
RAM was very fast .. But you had to boot WM First so .. 1-3 for WM and 1-2 for RAM ?
So I Guess About the same LOL

WarlockW said:
So .. It Seems the with SD / RAM / NAND
My Poor HD2 Takes Forever to boot!
Lets Post Some Speeds ... See How It Is Compared!
Mine is ..
Boot Loader : 24.5 < Were go go go Ends
Service and Lock Screen : 245.5
Lock Screen With Data : 258.5
Total: 283 Secs = 4.72 Minutes ????
Seems Like a Lot .. When WM Boots in what 1-3?
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Check the video in mdj's nand threads, it's less than 3mins.
Mine is 2minsfrom magldr to cmylxgo 1.3n.
Sent from my HD2 Droid (HD) using XDA App

What build are you using? Mine doesn't seem to take that long (mdj's cm7 build) ... also how many times have you rebooted the device? I usually set critical things up first boot then reboot then set up personal non-critical things then reboot again so as to let the rom settle in =] you also should disable GPS and bt as those might cause delay in bootup =] hope that helped
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jose makalolot said:
Check the video in mdj's nand threads, it's less than 3mins.
Mine is 2minsfrom magldr to cmylxgo 1.3n.
Sent from my HD2 Droid (HD) using XDA App
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Hmmm I Am On 2.0.1n Thats Interesting - 2 full minutes longer ?
I Wonder Why >?
CMYLXGO's Stock Desire HD v2.0.1n
Yea .. they are off .. Both are GPS and BT ..
I am Just Really Curious What Others are getting

hey,
nice idea what you bring here
it will help us to decide witch build is faster
for mine, it takes exactly 01:19sec from blank screen shutdown to receive the network signal and ready for usage.
I'm using Gingerbread recovery build at this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777
it is not very fast as I expect, but good one.
any way, thanks for this idea,
(I'm really excited to see the results of other users)

downloadzy said:
hey,
nice idea what you bring here
it will help us to decide witch build is faster
for mine, it takes exactly 01:19sec from blank screen shutdown to receive the network signal and ready for usage.
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Wow Nice ..

I'm using NexusHD2 Gingerbread NAND (available here), and I'm gobsmacked by the above "speeds".
From power off to lockscreen with data it takes me 49 seconds.
An Android restart (not full power off, but an app running a reboot of Android) takes 20 seconds.
I didn't realise other builds were so slow

johncmolyneux said:
I'm using NexusHD2 Gingerbread, and I'm gobsmacked by the above "speeds".
From power off to lockscreen with data it takes me 49 seconds.
An Android restart (not full power off, but an app running a reboot of Android) takes 20 seconds.
I didn't realise other builds were so slow
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Kicks .. johncmolyneux In The $#@$ Really ? Nand > or ?
( I Hate You ) lol

WarlockW said:
Kicks .. johncmolyneux In The $#@$ Really ? Nand > or ?
( I Hate You ) lol
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NAND mate - I've updated the above post with a link to it.

Im using NANDroid JDSM v1.6.2, complete reboot time is 54 sec. OC to 1190Mhz and reboot times drop to 41 sec.

johncmolyneux said:
NAND mate - I've updated the above post with a link to it.
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I'm confused...do you have the NexusHD2 Gingerbread build? Or the Froyo build? 'Cause you linked the Froyo...lol

Hacksor said:
I'm confused...do you have the NexusHD2 Gingerbread build? Or the Froyo build? 'Cause you linked the Froyo...lol
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Sorry - my bad. It's fixed now, and it's the Gingerbread build.
Cheers mate

From power off, 50 sec to lock screen, another 10s to get carrier and finish sd check. This is on tytung's gingerbread build.

Kicks .. EVERYONE In The $#@$
I knew this was a bad idea LOL

WarlockW said:
I knew this was a bad idea LOL
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LOL
Get some Gingerbread on your phone. You won't regret it

I don't know that it's necessarily gingerbread. The boot time for jdms is about the same for me. Also it only took 14 seconds from power off to go go go. So it's a little wierd what your phone is doing, it's almost like it's running on reduced power or something.

buzz killington said:
I don't know that it's necessarily gingerbread. The boot time for jdms is about the same for me. Also it only took 14 seconds from power off to go go go. So it's a little wierd what your phone is doing, it's almost like it's running on reduced power or something.
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Yea .. Seems like a lot to me also .. just for the boot launcher 24.5

My gauner HD-FI 0.3 starts in 3-4min..
Uhmm...
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did you do a task 29 before you started with your current nand rom ?
I had the same problem i came from a Winmo rom and dumped android on it and boot time was HORRIBELE. Did a task 29 and my HD2 boots in under a min now.

Hmmmm... I dont remember lol will give that a try! Thanks!
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[Q] Edge Network Issues....Please Help!!

Hi everybody....I just upgraded to the MT4G from my old HD2. I love the new phone, but I am having some issues with it working smoothly on the Edge (E) network. I've had the phone now for about a week and I have noticed that whenever the phone switches to the edge network, the data connection seems to stop working (i.e. Google Maps, Facebook, Internet Browser all don't work).
Whenever my HD2 switched to edge, it used to run data applications slower, but it never just didn’t work at all.
Has anybody else experienced this? I searched for this problem, but I had no luck...

after reading alot thru these posts i have heard a few people have that same problem, are u rooted and running a rom ? and if ur not now.may be a good time to do so OR check if u have the glod screen or bad screen and call.tmobile.and tell em u want a replacement
Sent from my HTC GoRilla

I have not rooted the device yet...I am still in the return period time frame....I will try rooting it and install a custom rom....which one do you recommend? Please provide link if possible....thank you!!!
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crazydrvr20 said:
I have not rooted the device yet...I am still in the return period time frame....I will try rooting it and install a custom rom....which one do you recommend? Please provide link if possible....thank you!!!
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check to see if you have a good or bad screen first before rooting, return it if its bad. As for the roms CM 7 (2.3 gingerbread) is very good, solid battery life and good overall UI. For more of a stock feel go with the ICE glacier, very solid rom as well. Those are the two main ones that I use, debating which one to stick with.

osugsxr said:
check to see if you have a good or bad screen first before rooting, return it if its bad. As for the roms CM 7 (2.3 gingerbread) is very good, solid battery life and good overall UI. For more of a stock feel go with the ICE glacier, very solid rom as well. Those are the two main ones that I use, debating which one to stick with.
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DEFINATELY check if u have good screen , turn fone off, hold vol. Down and power button, then go down to system info, and good screen will say
Lcd type so c2 or sumthin
Bad screen says sh...
As for roms i really enjoy the Gorilla sens 2.2.4
Any other questions ? glad to help
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rich2thad said:
DEFINATELY check if u have good screen , turn fone off, hold vol. Down and power button, then go down to system info, and good screen will say
Lcd type so c2 or sumthin
Bad screen says sh...
As for roms i really enjoy the Gorilla sens 2.2.4
Any other questions ? glad to help
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Are you implying there’s a correlation between no data over Edge and a bad display? I ask cause I have the same exact problem and I do have a bad display.

smellmyfingers said:
Are you implying there’s a correlation between no data over Edge and a bad display? I ask cause I have the same exact problem and I do have a bad display.
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No not at all that iss purely coincedence, but seeing that u do have bad display DO NOT ROOT and go makethe trade with tmobile so u can get the good display and then root and have fun with the replacement
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desire HD rom port for n1

desire HD rom port fot n1
there is a desire HD rom port to n1 ?
and it support the fast boot that in thr desire HD
if there are such thing please give it to me
tantk's

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784260
Just two clicks ? To much for you?!

i tried it but it doesnt work , the devce stuck when i turn it on , [i did the wipe]
and this rom dont have sence ui of htc.. why ?

try d rom in evildroid.net.

gunrjurh said:
there is a desire HD rom port to n1 ?
and it support the fast boot that in thr desire HD
if there are such thing please give it to me
tantk's
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http://bit.ly/egHJ10

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791151

thank's avery one ! but you didnt answer my question , it possible that the rom support the fast boot that in the desire HD ? and the sense ?

The ROM - it IS the Sense ROM from Desire HD.
Fastboot - you have Nexus, not Desire HD. Fastboot is tied with the phone, not the ROM.
I believe you don't know what you're talking about yet, so you should read some more.

The fast boot feature the OP is talking about has nothing to do with fastboot, just in case anyone is getting confused at this point
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...s-5-second-boot-times-magic-trickery-or-both/

gunrjurh said:
thank's avery one ! but you didnt answer my question , it possible that the rom support the fast boot that in the desire HD ? and the sense ?
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Try it for yourself and find out. All your questions are answered in the thread about those ROMs.

DirkGently1 said:
The fast boot feature the OP is talking about has nothing to do with fastboot, just in case anyone is getting confused at this point
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...s-5-second-boot-times-magic-trickery-or-both/
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Good one! Some more confusion. Sorry for being the confused one.

i meen what DirkGently1 said , so i tried: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791151
and like i thought it doesnt support the fast boot , and it often stuck [maybe because it steel beta] , i search in google but i dont sure that the rom i find support the fast boot , may you please give me one that support it ?

I am not a dev but I think the major problem with Desire HD roms on N1 is that they used too much ram memory,an usual N1 rom is ~100mb while a Desire port rom 150mb and the Desire HD port...260mb!!!
Meaning every and each stock app is heavier and is slowing down the N1!
The only solution is to replace some stock HD apps with normal Desire ones to make it lighter...
Anyway the best rom will be Desire HD + gingerbread for N1
Perhaps I will buy the desire 2 before it will be available

ahhhh now i'm understand why tha N1 stuck often.. but the rom is great so i dont care , one of the most importent thing for me ib this rom is the fast boot , something that very miss to me ,

Well, as it usually happens, it's wrong, and on more than one point.
It's not RAM, but Flash memory that Desire HD ROM uses. And using Apps2SD, it doesn't matter at all. It doesn't slow down N1, it doesn't get it stuck, it doesn't do anything of the sort. The apps just run as they do - and the CPU between Desire HD and Nexus One is EXACTLY the same (minus GPU and some other small differences).
If the ROM gets stuck - it means that the porting didn't work 100%, and there are still unfinished corners left. The same about the features - what's missing is missing because the phones are different and some things weren't adapted to run well on another phone with different HW.
To OP: this feature - quick boot from hibernation - is specified in the ROM thread and is working, and it's even shown on Youtube. If you don't get it working - it means you don't know how to. You're probably turning off the phone instead of hibernating it, and expect it to boot as fast as it would resume from hibernation.

Remember to wipe phone before install a new rom. Plus do a back up before even doing anything. nandroid back up now...
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i must to put the n1 on hibernating ?
in yhe desire HD it also like this ?

Of course it is. The ROM can't and doesn't boot in 5 sec - it resumes from hibernation in 5 sec.

so what is good in hibernating ? i can lock the n1 and it the same

Hibernate = power off, memory saved on flash. The power isn't drawn from the battery (well, almost).
Lock = power on, sleep mode. The power is drawn from the battery.
See the difference?

[Q]Is My Phone Broken?

hi its about my HD2.
about 5days ago my phone droped from my hand and felt on ground ! ceramics !
after that my phone hangs after playing anygame even 2D games !!!!
well games are no problem i thinks its from CPU or the cooling system it got cause when i play phones temp. goes higher and higher and screen freezez in game and i cant do a thing only pulling out the battery and w8 around 2-3minutes to make phone chill out and its temp goes lower then plug the battery and turn the phone on !
any way to fix it ? or any hint ?
anything would be great ! thanks alot !

Have you tried reflashing it starting with a task29? This way you can rule out it being a software issue and focusing on how to fix the hardware issue.

When it fell it probably broke something in the circuitry...i doubt software has anything to do with it...
Warranty perhaps?
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tecle2595 said:
When it fell it probably broke something in the circuitry...i doubt software has anything to do with it...
Warranty perhaps?
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warranty is finished
ok thanks everyone
ill figure out what to do

Sell on the marketplace, im sure u can recoup 50-60$. I saw someone sell theres for 75$
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