Now I know they don't have 4G but everything works with Sense. Can we get this ported?
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Is it really nessecary? Ava-FroyoV2 already has Sense and everything but BT and 4G working. I would expect it to be more work to port this than just have Ava fix BT and have basically the same.
Given the similarities between the Evo and Inc, the 2.2 update should be right around the corner. Also remember that Verizon is notorious for long testing before a software update.
Having said that, I'm sure a Dev will figure out a way to port this over.
But we already have CyanogenMod with everything but 4G working.
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The advantage of using the Incredible's 2.2 over the current 2.2 Sense that we have is that it will work better with what we have. The other one we have is for the Desire. So, for instance, the camera may work better. If it has a newer kernel we may be able to use that, etc. So, yeah, I'd say it would be worth porting over. Either way, I'm sticking with CM6 as I have missed Cyanogen since my days with the G1.
Well I suppose we'll have to wait again for the new kernel's source code, hopefully it doesn't take as long this time.
There is more issues with that rom then those listed, for example exchange doesn't setup correctly
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Is it really nessecary? Ava-FroyoV2 already has Sense and everything but BT and 4G working. I would expect it to be more work to port this than just have Ava fix BT and have basically the same.
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I would like to see a port of it. I like the Stock look with the speed under the hood.
Is it an unpopular opinion to actually like SenseUI around here? I vastly prefer Sense over the stock UI, TouchWiz and MotoBlur.
Unfortunately, since CyanogenMod has just about everything working, the only real improvements for the EVO that could be pulled out of the Droid Incredible's code is the FM radio, assuming they're even the same chip(which, without doing some research, I highly doubt).
From what I have seen and played with Sense is pretty nice, but I really like the look/feel of ADW.Launcher and Stock apps myself.
To each their own.
Although an official HTC Release of 2.2 would be interesting to see performance wise.
I like sense as well but I am not married to it, but I don't see why all the hate
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Sense has some really good apps like music and email. Don't argue with me about music app. It is by far the smoothest and streamed lined music player for android. Even froyo music is a piece of crap. Google really need to work on the music players for Android. iPhone and.most likely the Zune based Windows Mobile 7 music player are/will be vastly superior.
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Sense isn't bad, but it's not as useful for me. There are maybe one or two widgets that I'd like to have, but with all the other bulkiness it's not worth it. Like the 3 button dock. I'd much rather have the ADW where I can put 4 shortcuts plus the drawer. Once I tried CM6, I don't think I can go back to Sense.
It's all about preference.
The only thing I liked about Sense was the Mail/Exchange app. At least it gave me the option to select and delete multiple items at a time. With the current e-mail app (Froyo) i have to "tick" each e-mail, kinda tedious when you have over a hundren e-mails you want to delete at a time.
I don't plan on flashing a 2.2 rom until I know 4g works. I'd rather be able to use the service I'm paying for.
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Is it an unpopular opinion to actually like SenseUI around here? I vastly prefer Sense over the stock UI, TouchWiz and MotoBlur.
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Sense is just a pretty pointless bit of eyecandy that vastly slows down updates received by HTC phones. It is completely tangled up in the OS, and it just slows things down and provides very limited customization due to its closed-source nature. AOSP Android is extremely fast and smooth, and you are free to add all of the eyecandy and additional apps you want.
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Sense is just a pretty pointless bit of eyecandy that vastly slows down updates received by HTC phones. It is completely tangled up in the OS, and it just slows things down and provides very limited customization due to its closed-source nature. AOSP Android is extremely fast and smooth, and you are free to add all of the eyecandy and additional apps you want.
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While I do agree with you, I really wish there were Marketplace equivalents of some of the HTC widgets (Email, Bookmarks, and NewsReader in particular). Pure Messenger is the closest I've found to the HTC email widget but after spending an inordinate amount of time trying to get it set up the way I like, I gave up. And, don't get me started on my K9/Exchange integration issues.
And, I'm a geek! I can only imagine the frustration the average non-techie, Android owner without a Sense phone goes through.
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While I do agree with you, I really wish there were Marketplace equivalents of some of the HTC widgets (Email, Bookmarks, and NewsReader in particular). Pure Messenger is the closest I've found to the HTC email widget but after spending an inordinate amount of time trying to get it set up the way I like, I gave up. And, don't get me started on my K9/Exchange integration issues.
And, I'm a geek! I can only imagine the frustration the average non-techie, Android owner without a Sense phone goes through.
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Well final-damn-ly, somebody without their head stuck up their ass realizes this lol. But really, they did a good job with the widgets and to me are worth more than the hassles i have to put up with. And don't forget copy/paste; stock google's is the most godawful take on copypasta i've ever seen. While I've gotten used to launcher pro plus, returning back to sense would definitely be a welcome home for me.
I agree that Sense, although a resource hog, has the best widgets. Just wish I could use wiimote.
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I know there are people who love sense/rosie, I used to be one of them. But the more I use my phone, the more I find myself just wanting it cut down a bit and more streamlined..
I have no need for facebook or twitter, htc mail widgets etc.
The only things I see value in are the dialer, pinch to zoom in the browser and the music controls on the lock screen..
I have found myself setting 'home' as the default on most of my ROM's and having everything go fast, but I can't help thinking it could be even better..
I am fine with 3 to 5 home screens, no need for leap..
Just a lightning fast, stable build with no bloat or social crap..
Am I alone in wanting this?
TJ
For all the Dev's, you are doing AWESOME work, I love playing with all the ROM's and sincerely appreciate your time and effort. I know the masses want rosie, but there are a large number of people who aren't the majority
Honestly, I really like the HTC Friendstream and/or Twitter widget, but I can do without them. One thing I would miss is the HTC camera, but I found out today that it's been ported to the Nexus One, so I don't see why we couldn't get the HTC Camera in a vanilla Hero ROM.
I've noticed (using Villain 5.0, aka the 2.1 Sprint Hero ROM) that if I'm listening to music and using google navigation, the music skips sometimes, mostly when the GPS app is calculating something. I figure getting rid of Sense might fix this by freeing up some RAM.
So, as long as we can get the HTC Camera into a vanilla ROM (and maybe that's already been done... anyone?), then yes, I would rather use a vanilla ROM.
With a vanilla ROM we should also be able to use voice dialing, right? Since we'd be using the google dialer instead of the HTC one?
Save Heros from sense.
I really don't like sense and hate the thought of having to return to it for a stable phone... the stock android experience is what I want on the my Hero.
I am a developer and do know Java well but I don't have much time to dive into Android although I have started. I have the sdk, eclipse, and the source synced and started looking at the code.
I know we are waiting for HTC to release updated kernel sources and to get our hands on stable drivers but I would like to get Gallery3D and Launcher 2 working
It's a shame that I have this tease... a 80% stable phone using aHero v0.6.1 but the phone still locks up and reboot randomly... this could have a lot to do with the kernel and drivers.
Gallery3D used to work in both landscape and Portrait on Android 2.0
Not sure if this is Google dropping support or bad drivers but I have had Google Earth running on this Hero too.
Launcher2 is actually faster then launcher but it seems to swap out of memory or something when the phone sleeps and takes a few seconds to wake up.
I will try and look at the code more but I'm hoping some very skilled Android Hero guru will save the Hero and get us up and running %100 in the next months.
i support the notion for a vanila rom. sense is nice, but truthfully, i am a fan of the stock android gui. for some, its clunky. for me, i can work around it. i feel the phone would be more of a true enthusiast's phone with the stock OS, and sense tries to well..(no pun intended) make sense for people new to having a phone.
HTC is doing a great job making android phones appealing, but the way android OS looked prior to sense was what appealed me to it in the first place...something unique, one that is sort of minimalistic yet packs a lot of options for an end-user. I find HTC's widgets beautiful but slow. And in a phone, i'd rather have zip to make an emergency phone call rather than a cool UI soaking up the resources to display the weather. thats not to say i don't like cute little things like that, though. just have the speed first, optimize and incorporate later. 1.5 did well, and 2.1 really makes android very nice, keeping its simplicity and making subtle yet elegant additions.
2.1 stock rom based from these leaks pls =3
It's good to see i'm not alone..
I agree that once the new kernel comes out I think it will be much easier to get a fully functional stock 2.1 happening..
I have used raidroid 2.1 and I was VERY impressed with the speed, but all that makes me think is how it could be even faster!
I just like the idea of a business like experience.. No bull****, just do what you are built to do.
I'm pretty keen to see a fast stock rom as well. I already use the stock keyboard because of its speed and I was using Launcher2 for a while, but it was too buggy.
But really, more then anything I want a fast, stable build to run with.
The only thing I think it would really miss is the music player controls on the lock screen, but I think they could do with some work.... not fast enough at the moment, the same goes with unlocking to answer a phone call, it all seems to take too long.
agree
aHero 0.61 is good, but still a bit buggy
im not a fan of the sense bloatware approach
I'm currently working on a rom that pretty much fits these requirements.
CyanogenMod based (this may change due to video playback issues), JIT enabled, and after an initial release, I may try and integrate drivers from the CDMA 2.1 roms.
Oh, and it won't have Sense (inefficient and ineffective), Launcher2, Live Wallpapers or any of the rest of that superfluous crap.
I would love to see a stable build of a vanilla rom...everytime one is released i flash right away but theres always a major bug that push me to sense roms again.
I even like the android camera,mostly in poor light conditions.
The music control in lockscreen is nice but not nice enough to make it a setback...
All the social widgets(twitter,facebook,mail,buzz,etc.) can be found in market for free...many of them better then HTC ones.
Genie widgets can do weather and news(I use them in sense roms)
If ppl dont like android calendar widget,"smooth calendar" is similar to HTC calendar(to me is much better) and free.
And thats what makes vanilla rom so good,i only install this apk if i want to or need it...my phone,my rules.
yeah i would love one!
I also hate seeing SocialNetworkReciever firing up all the time in logcat when my phone is asleep when I have no accounts for fb, twitter and flickr..
*SocialNetworkReciever is being called every 5 mins! Even after removing peep!
Just like any OS on whatever device. It should be basic and fast.
+1 for Vanilla.
I very much prefer the vanilla Android experience over Sense. For me Sense adds nothing but bugs and bloat and also a few Android features I like are missing in HTC Android.
I would like one as well. Currently I am just stripping everything from someone's custom rom, perhaps I should try the Kitchen that's available to make my own 2.1, based on AOSP.
Yep, i'm on board. A 2.1 Vanilla ROM, possibly with Multi-Touch in the Browser, Touch Focus in the Camera and the HTC dialler would be perfect.
I loved the aychteesee rom for this reason. at the time it was the fastest around for the hero. shame it never got updated, there were one or two bugs that pushed me back to sense.
It makes sense to install an os with very few features on, as we have the Market! I really don't find any htc widget/app that performs better than a Market place counterpart. Just look at Camera Zoom FX.
Best Vanilla Rom
Hi all,
I've tried lots of ROMs and I must say that Kagudroid 1.2.2 is by far the best. It is vanilla Android and it is faster, more stable, less buggy than any other ROM. The only drawback was that the camera was unstable, but now there is a fix for that in the post on Htcpedia.com (http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979)
Try it, it's the difference you're looking for!
I really want a stock fast vanilla rom.. Going to try this kagudroid.. Let's se how it is
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I know there are people who love sense/rosie, I used to be one of them. But the more I use my phone, the more I find myself just wanting it cut down a bit and more streamlined..
I have no need for facebook or twitter, htc mail widgets etc.
The only things I see value in are the dialer, pinch to zoom in the browser and the music controls on the lock screen..
I have found myself setting 'home' as the default on most of my ROM's and having everything go fast, but I can't help thinking it could be even better..
I am fine with 3 to 5 home screens, no need for leap..
Just a lightning fast, stable build with no bloat or social crap..
Am I alone in wanting this?
TJ
For all the Dev's, you are doing AWESOME work, I love playing with all the ROM's and sincerely appreciate your time and effort. I know the masses want rosie, but there are a large number of people who aren't the majority
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I don't think this is the right part of the hero threads for your Christmas wish list, mayee the Q&A section. Try picking a Rom that's already close to what you require and giving feedback
Would love one, too!
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This is just out of curiosity, but which do you like more and why?
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I like cyanogen because it has more features but I use liberated because cyanogen lacks the sense UI which I love
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I like cm6 because live wallpapers
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I don't use my phone too much.with cyanogen, my battery lasts forever.so cyanogen for me.
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Pretty much the same as Mast above. I keep a nandroid backup of CM6 as well as Liberated on my phone, and switch back and forth, but spend 90% of my time in Liberated.
I can't wait for "Liberated" 2.2...
CM6. Here's why...
Freedom, battery life, speed, lack of Sense (I hated it), and flexibility.
CM6...im loving the battery life, the speed, and the flexibility. I was hesitant to make the switch from Liberated at first because I'd lose Sense...but I dont miss Sense at all.
I don't even remember what Sense feels like. I just don't like the linkage in contacts. Liberated had been improved a lot with features that comparable with CM6 so I think I'm going to nandroid both for fun.
I'm still on the fence, I want to try and give Cyanogen another shot (I only ran it for a few hours before going back to Liberated), but right now I'm running Liberated, mainly because I'm still very close to the stock ROM that I'm comfortable with, while still getting perks like root, tethering, and a lack of bloatware. One thing I really hate about Cyanogen in comparison to Liberated/Stock is the call screen. When someone calls you and it has the choice to answer/deny, I think the stock looks a million times better. I also dont like the status bar
I prefer CM6 all day everyday.
I hate the HTC dialer and contacts replacement, "people". I don't need more category possibilities for my contacts than I have contacts. I want to be able to bring up contacts and do a one touch dial, without having to have a full page widget to access favorites quickly.
I don't like that with the Sense UI, HTC has taken Android so far from AOSP that is takes months for them to get updates complete after the Nexus One is updated. Then it takes more months for carriers to approve those updates for use on branded phones.
Sense is nonsense, IMO. Of course you may feel differently, and that's why we have choice.
Dito on the contacts "people" list. You just remind me where was my head ache. Both roms do have goods and bads
for those of your going back and forth between liberated and cm6, do you have to make any changes to your installed apps or you simply wipe everything and use clockwork to load one or the other ?
I'm with you two about the contacts; the HTC "improvements" are anything but.
However, I do like the sense dialer and a lot of other things about sense.
I used CM on my G1 from day one, and there were always little "gotchas:" lags, force closes, things that didn't quite work. That may not be the case with CM on the Aria, but I really like the way the phone works now. It even took me a while to root and try Liberated: nothing was broken.
That said, choice is beautiful. Many thanks to attn1 and everyone at CM for providing that.
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Because I don't like sence as much as I thought I would. Pluse I think CyanogenMod has more features.
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If I dump sense for cm, will I lose the nice HTC flash player integration? I understand flash in 2.2 isn't supported by aria CPU?
If the CPU didn't support Flash then how would an HTC app make it suddenly support it? You'll be fine.
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If the CPU didn't support Flash then how would an HTC app make it suddenly support it? You'll be fine.
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The fact is flash 10.1 only works on Froyo, and if you have an Arm7 Cpu. The aria does not have the correct cpu. Flash was compiled for that cpu ONLY. What the aria has is Flash Lite from HTC, not the same.
klyon said:
I'm with you two about the contacts; the HTC "improvements" are anything but.
However, I do like the sense dialer and a lot of other things about sense.
I used CM on my G1 from day one, and there were always little "gotchas:" lags, force closes, things that didn't quite work. That may not be the case with CM on the Aria, but I really like the way the phone works now. It even took me a while to root and try Liberated: nothing was broken.
That said, choice is beautiful. Many thanks to attn1 and everyone at CM for providing that.
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I too have had glitches and lockups with CM that i don't have with Liberated. For those that don't like the contacts integration of HTC, then you should really try Dialer One from the market. Cm is very configurable, but Liberated to me is more stable. If not for Dialer One I would probably live with the daily lockup I had with CM6.
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If the CPU didn't support Flash then how would an HTC app make it suddenly support it? You'll be fine.
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HTC has a proprietary flash lite. Not fully featured but in many cases sufficient. Certainly beats nothing. I like having it but doesn't make CM6 a deal breaker for me.
Ive learned not to care about Sense UI but not having App Market is an issue. I cant find things through app brain or even ways to side install them because I cant find most of the actual apps.
How do I put the App Market back into CM6? Thanks.
I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
I personally despise sense and hope HTC starts to give us little android virgins, but I am sure for marketing purposes they will keep cramming there software on there products so they have some claim to originality.
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
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We can but live in hope, and maybe they will make the apps user removable too
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We can but live in hope, and maybe they will make the apps user removable too
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ICS has a feature that all apps can be disabled (equivalent to 'freezing' in titanium backup - not removed but can't run)
SupaAvenger79 said:
I personally despise sense and hope HTC starts to give us little android virgins, but I am sure for marketing purposes they will keep cramming there software on there products so they have some claim to originality.
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If you root you can have anything you like - try CM7 (and when released, CM9 with ICS).
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
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What kind of functionality did sense add? It was very pretty and the widgets were very good (calendar, for example) - but did it add any extra features?
I actually like Sense. Of all "major frameworks" like TouchWize and Blur and what not, Sense comes on TOP (my opinion only).
Now, can we live without sense? Perfectly.
Will HTC abandon Sense in ICS? Doubt it.
P.S. i run a rom with Sense daily... so.. biased
I hope so. I hate sense. I only like the widgets and the social network integration on the contacts app. After getting rid of sense my phone became faster and battery lasts longer.
But now, the stock launcher and features of ICS is better than sense. Even the widgets looks better now.
But i doubt they will remove sense 100%. I just wish that they won't be changing the stock ICS UI that much.
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I hope so. I hate sense. I only like the widgets and the social network integration on the contacts app. After getting rid of sense my phone became faster and battery lasts longer.
But now, the stock launcher and features of ICS is better than sense. Even the widgets looks better now.
But i doubt they will remove sense 100%. I just wish that they won't be changing the stock ICS UI that much.
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This is my point! Pick Sense, remove social integration, custom widgets, dialer, sms app, and all the other minor things, and yout get AOSP. And the you miss those things.
I agree, Sense IS HEAVY. But for what it does, it's the best. How many apps would one have to install on AOSP to get the full sense functionality? And how slower would that device be with that amount of apps interchaining themselves?
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in short. ditch sense for the ICS UI
HTC will always add there own interpretation on what they think Ice Cream Sandwich will look like, and that is the way it is. But what I do hope is that they build on top of what Google has done instead of stripping everything out.
For example, mail apps, people apps are not stock and they should try to keep it true to what Google intended and maybe use the API that are exposed by Google to add there on stuff on top.
Also they should try to build a launcher that is not so heavy integrated to how the whole OS works, instead decouple it away so if there are updates needed to the OS it can fit nicely on top.
So no I don't think Sense will fade away, but I do hope the way they implement it is as close to stock as possible, just adding features on top of it.
i don't see the point in complaining about this since pretty much all of us here on this forum have the ability to root and just install vanilla ROM, or whatever you want
for the average user (NOT US!) HTC don't seem to do a pretty decent job with Sense, since developers here can prepare some very highly optimised versions. What i would prefer is for HTC to look at the ROMs present over here and take note.
I run RCMix HD sense 3.5 daily without any problems at all and while comparing it to my brother's iPhone 4, 9 times outta 10 this ROM is as smooth as or even smoother, and lets be fair as far as UI customisations go, HTC are alot further ahead than everyone else, but if they realise the potential in their own skin as the developers have shown, they could take a really hard fight to Apple as far as usability goes (hopefully with less lawsuits than samsung have).
HTC is not gonna remove sense 100%, as they mentioned before they gonna take it to next level sense 4.
So get ready
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Id tend to agree,the divide looks split with sense,personally i like sense. I tried cyn but reverted back,its different coming from say galaxy s to sense,you wont like it as much its your starting point dependant. Anyway yeah htc will continue. Nice
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HTC do something different with Sense and it's one of the reasons I (and others I know) bought an Android phone over another platform. The Sense UI seems to be much better than Touchwiz etc. (tried on Galaxy SII and was not a fan) - phones are a very personal choice at the end of the day and with Android we are a bit spoilt for choice between manufacturers.
Whatever HTC do now that Ice Cream Sandwich is inbound I look forward to their progress as they seem to be my preferred manufacturer right now, if I don't like what they come up with then I can always opt for the Galaxy Nexus or (judging by XDA currently) end up rooting and put stock a ICS ROM on there anyways.
I'm using sense and I must say I like it, when I saw the ics video launch it looked really similar to sense.
I really want to see what HTC is going to do and I hope it won't take too long...
Mymy, i love Sense, i have a Sense ROM in my phone everyday! I always thought that stock Android is ugly, but after i've seen ICS, i am ready to switch to ICS without regrets !
i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
The way is see it,if we are going to build some thing to have integration of various different aspects of using your phone with third party applications you are bound to have a heck up here or there but then its quite hard to see those kinda of heck ups happening on any these sense roms even on the beta one's ! so i guess coming from a sony branded x10 with there stupid philosophy and launcher , i believe integration and stability are the key factors of sense, the only other rom that i found such level of integration sans few heck ups are the MIUI roms but then there always the battery drain issue on them.
So as for ICS i believe HTC should try to carry the kind of integration they have sans the resource hunger nature of sense launcher , take some notes from other oem launchers like touchwiz where the complete os experience is not themed.
Just my observations
Actually i like sense but stock ICS looks promising to me. Would love to see a stock ICS with some sense widgets tho
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i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
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Exactly. I love how light and smooth CM feels but its just a whole lot more easier and convenient to have everything put on a platter in front of you....like Sense does. Especially with the social integration aspect in the people app and the calender.
Although an AOSP ICS Rom night change all of that for good. We do seem to have improvements in the contacts and calender apps.
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srikanth.naidu said:
i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
The way is see it,if we are going to build some thing to have integration of various different aspects of using your phone with third party applications you are bound to have a heck up here or there but then its quite hard to see those kinda of heck ups happening on any these sense roms even on the beta one's ! so i guess coming from a sony branded x10 with there stupid philosophy and launcher , i believe integration and stability are the key factors of sense, the only other rom that i found such level of integration sans few heck ups are the MIUI roms but then there always the battery drain issue on them.
So as for ICS i believe HTC should try to carry the kind of integration they have sans the resource hunger nature of sense launcher , take some notes from other oem launchers like touchwiz where the complete os experience is not themed.
Just my observations
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Agree with this post totally... but what I am hoping now is that ICS is much better on a UI point of view that HTC would not need to change so much of the OS and just tweak it a bit to add a bit of differential. This hopefully mean that it won't be so heavy. But then saying so, HW acceleration will help so much in transitions on the UI that maybe it won't feel as heavy.
I feel HTC should add on top of the existing UI instead of stripping and re-writing most of the Google Code.
Sense is definitely one of the best UI customizations available for Android. The focus on social integration is its biggest strength. At the same time its so heavy that it brings my phone to a standstill sometimes, which makes me want to just go back to AOSP now and then.
To get to the point, I doubt HTC will let Sense fade away that easily. It is their identity, and as MrKaon already mentioned, they're going to take it to the next level. Because ICS has a lot of that functionality now built in, I'm hoping HTC will rework Sense to make it much lighter. I'm eager to see what more they do with it !
Just wondering what people like about sense and any/all of the sense roms? I don't mean this to bash anybody's favorite rom and definitely not bashing any developers, I respect all the time and effort that's gone into any custom rom. I just wanted to know what I'm missing and/or if I just haven't given any enough quality time yet. Every time I've tried one it's just seemed a bit laggy and slow compared with some of the other rom's I've tried based on cm7. Again, don't start flaming me, I want to hear objective, reasonable reasons why you sense people like it.
The last time I used Sense was on my HTC Hero before I tried CyanogenMod. What I think Sense does right is it provides a UI and functionality where everything just works the way you would expect them to, without needing additional tweaking or apps. For example, there is no denying that the HTC dialer is infinitely superior to the AOSP dialer. I find it incredibly ironic that a glorious top-of-the-line smart phone cannot do something like smart (T9) dialing of contacts, something every single dumbphone can do. Also, since the beginning of Sense, the mail, phone, and text messaging icons automatically display an unread count badge on them, which I think everyone can appreciate. If you want that in AOSP you have to install separate widgets (like SMS Unread Count) or different home launchers that pretty much only enthusiasts would look for. HTC Sense also gives power controls and other shortcuts in the notification pull-down whereas stock AOSP does not (unless you're using CyanogenMod, which again, is only for enthusiasts). Also, I imagine that people also like the overall refined look (clean, dual-tone textures) that Sense provides over AOSP's rather plain and basic look. Just my two cents.
i hate sense but i can't live without it
For me it is all about lack of lag and uptime, plus a rotating rosie that works great - so i'm back on Virtuous 1.0.2
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bradley_e_smith said:
For me it is all about lack of lag and uptime, plus a rotating rosie that works great - so i'm back on Virtuous 1.0.2
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Sense 2.1???????
Like sense 2.1.. Coz its smooth ui then android platform ui..
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Sense 2.1???????
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Yes, 2.1 running froyo
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The ONLY thing i miss about Sense is the zoom function of most included camcorder apk's. Not sure if it's something that can ONLY be achieved with sense but I've never seen it on non sense roms.
- Calender
- Clock app ( alarm, timer, stop watch) all in one
- contextual menus
I dont use sense launcher, I more like launcher pro.
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I just love Sense, tried other ROM's but couldn't get used to the UI which was a bit boring. Of course you can modify it all yourself, but I like the ready-to-go package Sense provides me. Now running Virtuous Affinity and Sense 3.5 looks great!
I wonder if it's what you get used to, in other words I wonder if I gave it more time and forced myself to use it for an extended period I'd get to like it more?
Sense is great for its integration with the ROM. in other words, if you prefer to have a GUI and sense's style happens to click with you, then it's awesome.
ofcourse. the dialer is best.
One thing I really really like about Sense : Internet passthrough. This needs to be in every ROM IMHO...
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One thing I really really like about Sense : Internet passthrough. This needs to be in every ROM IMHO...
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i thought it is in every custom rom out there?? or atleast most of them...
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i thought it is in every custom rom out there?? or atleast most of them...
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Internet passthrough =/= tethering. Internet passthrough is when you plug your phone through the USB to your PC and uses your PC's connection. Tethering is using your phone's data FOR the PC.
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I just love Sense, tried other ROM's but couldn't get used to the UI which was a bit boring. Of course you can modify it all yourself, but I like the ready-to-go package Sense provides me. Now running Virtuous Affinity and Sense 3.5 looks great!
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Yeah, the same to me. i like sense because it seems so cool and there are so many functions that i have never imagined before. So i think sense 3.5 and other coming sense will be greater
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Internet passthrough =/= tethering. Internet passthrough is when you plug your phone through the USB to your PC and uses your PC's connection. Tethering is using your phone's data FOR the PC.
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I know the difference between both. I could've sworn the older roms that I use for the DZ offered internet passthrough as well. I wasn't referring to tethering.
when it WORKS (as in doesn't encounter force closing) it is one of the smoothest and most intuitive interface's i've ever seen. I'll admit, it has problems and is still in need of work, it does take some CPU and RAM away from other things but over-all it is a beautiful UI and one of the most interesting and beautiful UIs of all of the custom ones out there. Now, with that said, I don't mean to say that the other's aren't nice.. however other companies just haven't gone as far into making a different and flowing interface
I like the look of sense but I just can't get past the lag.
I tried the two versions of 3.5 out there recently and they were so slow they were basically unusable. I tried with swap and enabled and without and overclocked up to almost 1500 and it still was so slow.
(used superwipe, etc before/between flashes)
2.1 ran a bit quicker but I still found it laggy and there were always odd things that did not work for me.
What was ironic is there was no "problems" at all with the 3.5 that i ran across as far as bugs, reboots, etc , it was just slow.
If one could even approach the speed of stock or cyanogen I would gladly use it.
It all about the widgets (Email especially ) that HTC provides on the sense I like.
Well, of all the android devices, I had to use Samsung. They seem to be the only ones who even attempt to make the android software user-friendly. For my little experiment, I went a full 4 days without using WP7. A full four days using only android. Overall, I enjoyed the games. Dungeon Defenders is a great game that I've poured time into, but the battery life of that thing makes it impossible to play for any fair period of time. I even picked up the Mugen battery with double the capacity, it still had horrid battery life. The hotmail simply doesn't work, regardless of settings the built-in mail just doesn't work. You have to install third party apps to check your email, it's sad. The UI leaves a lot to be desired, it takes a lot of rearranging and way too much management for my taste. I tried other launchers, themes, and folders, it just seemed really haphazardly tossed together. Even as a, "Facebook machine" as most use it, it just doesn't seem to work well. The hardware is great and it would be great if well implemented, but everything short of the gaming I could do on wp7 quicker, smoother, and hassle-free. If customization is your bit, android all the way. It won't be pulling me away from WP7 as I want something that really works and does t cause more headaches than it resolves. Anything you guys would recommend to make an android experience more... User-friendly?
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Well, of all the android devices, I had to use Samsung. They seem to be the only ones who even attempt to make the android software user-friendly. For my little experiment, I went a full 4 days without using WP7. A full four days using only android. Overall, I enjoyed the games. Dungeon Defenders is a great game that I've poured time into, but the battery life of that thing makes it impossible to play for any fair period of time. I even picked up the Mugen battery with double the capacity, it still had horrid battery life. The hotmail simply doesn't work, regardless of settings the built-in mail just doesn't work. You have to install third party apps to check your email, it's sad. The UI leaves a lot to be desired, it takes a lot of rearranging and way too much management for my taste. I tried other launchers, themes, and folders, it just seemed really haphazardly tossed together. Even as a, "Facebook machine" as most use it, it just doesn't seem to work well. The hardware is great and it would be great if well implemented, but everything short of the gaming I could do on wp7 quicker, smoother, and hassle-free. If customization is your bit, android all the way. It won't be pulling me away from WP7 as I want something that really works and does t cause more headaches than it resolves. Anything you guys would recommend to make an android experience more... User-friendly?
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rooting and flashing an AOSP ROM?
I personally hate TW like hell especially on ICS.....its makes everything look crap.
As for facebook, the official app is always slow IMO. I recommend using Friendcaster.
And for hotmail, there is an official hotmail app from MS i believe.
edit: I personally just auto forward my hotmail to my gmail so therefore no need for third party email apps
I wouldn't use gmail if it was the only email service there was, can't stand it. See, I, disagree though. I got the phone used and it had aosp on it and I went back to stock because I hated it. touchwiz is the only considerable hone replacement I've stumbled upon. I'll check out friend caster though. I want to like this phone, but it feels like someone wrapped a ton of capability in something...
Android is good, unless 2 problems: short battery - high degree
OP: I totally agree with you. Its something iOS and WP7 beat Android in.
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Never got on with TW/ASOP which was one of the reasons I stuck with HTC and got the Sensation, the built in Apps seem more polished, take the email client and Polaris office on the phone, if someone sends me a .xlsm file, I can open it, something IOS and other Android devices I've tried cannot do. The Blackberry playbook can, but that's poo.
Do people still use Hotmail as a daily address rather than just a spamtrap? I haven't logged into mine for about 4 years now, I only have a live acount these days for accessing MS services like their licences page.
Hate gmail but use Android? Makes absolutely no sense.
Thats like me using a Windows Phone and hating Bing.
keep on trying to promote WP7, you may actually stop the losing market share.
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Im confused...you had an SGSII, got rid of it months ago and then bought another one to "try out"? That doesn't make much sense at all...
U sir don't know what android is about.When u start messing with rooms and customization u will know.Give it some time.And flash aokp or cm9 loads of features
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I REALLY don't get you. Android is common sence. Download a easy launcher if you don't know what your doing. Android was never intended for people without common sence if you read they're story.
Also, you saw samsung has the most user friendly interface however all android phones have the same basic stock ui. The layout is the same just different styles.
Remember you have widgets
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Had a gs2, didn't like, heard ICS fixed all that I've hated, gave it a shot as I'm an equal opportune type when it comes to an OS,.still the same issues. The OS just isn't very intuitive.
Anyone got a ROM that will give me more than my hour and a half battery life? Something with Swype as the stock keyboard won't keep up.
Matty, don't mock someone common sense until you can distinguish the difference between, "your" and "you're" or, "there," "their" and, "they're."
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Had a gs2, didn't like, heard ICS fixed all that I've hated, gave it a shot as I'm an equal opportune type when it comes to an OS,.still the same issues. The OS just isn't very intuitive.
Anyone got a ROM that will give me more than my hour and a half battery life? Something with Swype as the stock keyboard won't keep up.
Matty, don't mock someone common sense until you can distinguish the difference between, "your" and "you're" or, "there," "their" and, "they're."
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use AOSP not that bloat filled ugly thing called TW ontop of ICS
Just sign up for Swype beta and you can get swype on any device
Last I signed up for Swype beta, there was a waiting list. AOSP isn't really appealing to me. It's pretty unpleasing aesthetically.
No more waiting on swype beta. Just sign up.
Or you can use WP7 keyboard.
Hour and a half battery life is a over exaggerated, dont you think?
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Last I signed up for Swype beta, there was a waiting list. AOSP isn't really appealing to me. It's pretty unpleasing aesthetically.
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each to their own.
If you dislike android so much; go back to WP7
Won't is my main OS, I use it as my daily driver.
I tried the imitation wp7 keyboard, it's still a bit slow. I'll sign up for Swype beta and look for more battery friendly roms. I wish I was exaggerating, my phone dies faster than it charges while plaiting dungeon defenders.
How can you use something as gimmicky and non-user friendly as WP7 and say Android is not intuitive? Basically WP7 is similar to the beta Windows 8and can be considered a step backwards for MS going by the new UI so I wouldn't exactly call WP7 intuitive and user-friendly/
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How can you use something as gimmicky and non-user friendly as WP7 and say Android is not intuitive? Basically WP7 is similar to the beta Windows 8and can be considered a step backwards for MS going by the new UI so I wouldn't exactly call WP7 intuitive and user-friendly/
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Clearly an assumption without foundation.