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Hello,
I've been looking around at all the roms etc and their change logs. They look like big improvements, so I updated to CM stable (worked fine, a little bit slow now and then) now I'm using the latest one which is meant to be the fastest but I find it hangs a lot, and is slow quite often.
Is anyone seeing this or is it just my phone.
I also have a question, when I shake my phone I can hear this ratteling sound, is that normal? my phone isn't new
Thanks.
theoneonly said:
I also have a question, when I shake my phone I can hear this ratteling sound, is that normal? my phone isn't new
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No it shouldn't do that, everything should be secure.
theoneonly said:
I also have a question, when I shake my phone I can hear this ratteling sound, is that normal? my phone isn't new
Thanks.
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what a ridiculous question.
Well I bought it used, and I only hear it sometimes like if i move it in a certain direction then it stops.
theoneonly said:
Well I bought it used, and I only hear it sometimes like if i move it in a certain direction then it stops.
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yes that is weird
brian_v3ntura said:
what a ridiculous question.
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you strike me as the type of person who has a bunch of e-friends but few if any real ones.
DMaverick50 said:
you strike me as the type of person who has a bunch of e-friends but few if any real ones.
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how? becuz i think its dumb if something is moving and rattling and ask if its bad. but anyways ur make a personal attack =)
and i do have lots of friends made over . esp from playing sports. and i just got back from ufc 103 party hosted by lacrosse team member. just saying. maybe u need to brush up on things...and look at ur thread post...u posted a lot of useless threads.
In his defense it's pretty much common sense that if something is rattling when it didn't used to rattle it's most like not a good thing.
brian_v3ntura said:
how? becuz i think its dumb if something is moving and rattling and ask if its bad. but anyways ur make a personal attack =)
and i do have lots of friends made over . esp from playing sports. and i just got back from ufc 103 party hosted by lacrosse team member. just saying. maybe u need to brush up on things...and look at ur thread post...u posted a lot of useless threads.
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And you make a lot of useless posts.
You're one of the most **** trolls I've ever seen.
Go crawl back into your hole and stop hi-jacking threads.
ThrashWolf said:
And you make a lot of useless posts.
You're one of the most **** trolls I've ever seen.
Go crawl back into your hole and stop hi-jacking threads.
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actually my most recent post were influence from the "the wrecking crew" the other one are informative or opinion =)
and i only hijacked thread for about 2 or 3 days. 2 days sounds about right.
but okay thk u another personal attack. ur being watched by mods
brian_v3ntura said:
ur being watched by mods
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but isn't big brother always watching. because in the end, even he too, loved big brother...
To the OP: You might wanna try wiping your phone and maybe repartitioning your SD, see if any apk's your using have known conflicts with Cyan roms. Can you tell where the rattling is coming from? Also your phone is still under HTC warranty so you might be able to get them to fix it, just gotta pay shipping. Also if your on tmobile they might even do it for you for free.
Ok whatever homos are attacking brian quit your *****in. He has helped A LOT of people out here. Me and the other 2 are the ones who started the hijacking, not him. He is actually such a helpful member that he tried to help me when I was messing with him, he went as far as taking his phone apart to help me. So before you call him a troll or whatever else you should check yourself, the forum won't miss you or your retarded questions. Most of you herbs prolly drool over his girl.
One more person give brian **** and ANY THREAD OR POST you make with a stupid question or comment will get jacked, I will personally make you look like a fool, even if it gets me banned. Go back to howard forums you failures.
I'd risk a ban for that one too, brian is a very helpfull guy are here. All he did was point out something that many of us would have also made fun off. Don't worry bri, we got your back
crpercodani said:
To the OP: You might wanna try wiping your phone and maybe repartitioning your SD, see if any apk's your using have known conflicts with Cyan roms. Can you tell where the rattling is coming from? Also your phone is still under HTC warranty so you might be able to get them to fix it, just gotta pay shipping. Also if your on tmobile they might even do it for you for free.
Ok whatever homos are attacking brian quit your *****in. He has helped A LOT of people out here. Me and the other 2 are the ones who started the hijacking, not him. He is actually such a helpful member that he tried to help me when I was messing with him, he went as far as taking his phone apart to help me. So before you call him a troll or whatever else you should check yourself, the forum won't miss you or your retarded questions. Most of you herbs prolly drool over his girl.
One more person give brian **** and ANY THREAD OR POST you make with a stupid question or comment will get jacked, I will personally make you look like a fool, even if it gets me banned. Go back to howard forums you failures.
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gridlock32404 said:
I'd risk a ban for that one too, brian is a very helpfull guy are here. All he did was point out something that many of us would have also made fun off. Don't worry bri, we got your back
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thx thx =) but! i am good. i just LOVE arguing becuz more than likely i can comeback with a better rebuttal. hell i even argue a lot on youtube. i even argue with customers in the mall at work. lol. its just who i am.
brian_v3ntura said:
what a ridiculous question.
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There Are No Stupid Questions, Only Stupid Answers....and yours is one of those.
Actually no, around here there are plenty of stupid questions.
I know an I agree,but this one wasn´t ridiculous.
dta1974 said:
There Are No Stupid Questions, Only Stupid Answers....and yours is one of those.
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actually like one person said. its common sense to think something is wrong if something didnt rattle before but rattles now. so therefore it was a stupid question.
saying its a ridiculous question implies common sense.
maybe u need to rethink things before u speak since u practically contradicted urself. first saying there are no stupid question, but then agreeing that there are stupid questions here on XDA.
I agree both ways. Yea it is pretty obvious it shouldn't rattle, but you could have said it to him in a more polite manner, but if it was me I would of prolly posted a really degrading image or something.
i, too, love the subtle art of arguing.
Hi everyone, just wondering if anyone else is having this problem.
But i can not seem to keep a H Signal for very long before it keeps going back to 3G.
and it has only started happening since installing VillainROM 3.4!.
When i am on the net it works fine, but when i am not active for about 10seconds is drops connection..
and this is a real problem when i am using Soccer Centre and i have to come out the program and back in for it to active H again..
Anyone else having this issue?
Thanks
Marc
didnt need a thread to itself
ermacwins said:
didnt need a thread to itself
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I felt it did - cause i did not want it getting lost in the
7,417 Post and 792,965 Views of the other topic...
Works perfect for me
Flash the latest radio (my sig) if you have not already got it.
If you do then reflash it
@Redpizzi
Please do NOT start new threads with Villain issues. PLEASE use the Villain thread.
Regarding to your issue, flash the latest radio again like Lenny said.
Thanks Lennyuk, will try that...i have the latest rom, but will re-install it..
Like i am sat here and the icon is 3G - but when i load up internet or market then it changes to H, then if i leave it for a few mins it goes back to 3g....i thought i might have been a battery saving thing in the rom or in the 2.1 FW....
Thanks again
And Phanes / ermacwins. i got that answer i needed, and now other people dont have to look though 700 pages of posts to find the same answer if they have that problem.
So sorry if you dont like it but it is how i have done thing in forums for 20 years...
@Redpizzi
... didn´t know that there where forums and INTERNET in 1990 ...
I don´t think I want to give you a hand in the future ...
Redpizzi said:
And Phanes / ermacwins. i got that answer i needed, and now other people dont have to look though 700 pages of posts to find the same answer if they have that problem.
So sorry if you dont like it but it is how i have done thing in forums for 20 years...
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awesome, continue like that and ppl who are actually interested in DEVELOPING will have to go through 700 threads of noob mistakes before they find something interesting. and no, there was no internet 20 years ago. if you had at least 20 days of forum experience you might have learned to post in the correct section...
Forums - are not just related to the internet -forums have been around for a long time people.
Phanes you never gave me a hand anyway...
I asked for some help and i got the help i asked for. Fine i should not have but VillainROM in the Thread - but when i posted in the Villain thread before about another problem it never got answered.
Job is a good one, just dont need people ermacwins/Phanes and the **** kendong2 trying to noob bash.
I dont give a **** how many posts you have done, i have been here since 2005 and help when i can no matter where the ****ing post is....
The main man Lennyuk gave me am answer and i will try that. if that does not work, then please just direct me to the right place, DONT start giving me **** for it.
END OF CURRENT THREAD - DELETE IF YOU WANT...
****ing hate people trying to noob bash.....
so if you are that know-it-all guy that has done it all forever and before everybody else, why is it asked too much that you stick to the rules like everybody else does?
and for the record: you are the only one flaming around here, i for example never called anyone a **** around here.
Yer i was flaming cause i asked for help and instead i got noob bashes trying it on..so dont piss me off again, and drop it.....no more slagging off the topic, will ask for help elsewhere
Now the problem has not been solved, so i am gonna try another rom to see if that has the same problem. i have even parked right next to my local Antenna.....
Thanks again Lennyuk
Well not familiar with forum rules but agree with OP that it's nightmare to browse through all the posts when there are 50+ (most of them repetitive and useless) replies on single day.
and just realised that i added one now.........
starfarer said:
Well not familiar with forum rules but agree with OP that it's nightmare to browse through all the posts when there are 50+ (most of them repetitive and useless) replies on single day.
and just realised that i added one now.........
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well this topic is not repetitive not useless and if it was against the forum rules then i cannot see why..
260 views mean people are interested untill they find out omeone needs help.
tell me about it. Asked something earlier and the same two were right on queue, no help at all, complaining like I just shat in their cereal. There really is no need for that.
Obviously I'm new to these forums, but been around many other forums for years and years, when I read their response I was literally like oh here we go, I guess this is just another one of those elitist forums, full of mod wannabes and keyboard warriors. Thats until helpful people like lenny weighs in and restores some faith.
Let us know how you get on with reflashing the radio Redpizzi, I have this same "problem", I thought thats just how it was since I got the hero not long ago, and the internet was like that before I flashed it with a custom rom as well. Its minor though but would be good to get the best out of the phone.
your thread was moved by a mod and you still don't get it? so you are also resistant to learning?
well, i guess we have to blame your parents, for not raising you right. other kids have learned not to talk in between while adults are talking.
you guys are so annoying, ive never seen such ganging on someone for simply a post, so cut the crap and either tell him wat he wants or not.
I've also had this issue and the latest radio hasnt resolved it either, I'm also having trouble with slow internet and reception cutting and coming back, ive tried all the 2.1 eris and legend roms and found that behero is the one with the least issues but still isnt all that perfect, i still get cut off sometimes and find no reception, so for the wifi aswell.
kendong2 fair enough if its was in the wrong forum, as im new here I thought something customrom related goes here in the development forum.
the mod moved the thread I thought nothing of it, you on the other hand must've thought it was a personal victory for you and thought it was the equivalent of a public spanking lol. Did you somehow think you were secretly pulling the strings by pointing it out?
Is your whole ambition to be a mod on here or something? just to point out where people are posting wrong and try to insult them lol. Just from a few posts I find it hard to believe that you have any friends. I wont be surprised if you're actually some 13 year old who gets bullied everyday at school and trying to get your power trip on the internet. Next thing you know you'll be pointing out spelling mistakes and missed capital letters. Get a life you loser cos this forum is obviously all you have. You really give this forum a bad name. you're on a phone forum but I doubt anyone ever rings your phone.
Just knock it off. It´s really enough now.
Why don´t you accept that WE how we care about those issues want to see the issues posted IN THE THREAD not somewhere else.
It is done for you guys, for those who have issues and not being able to help themselves.
And stop this passive/aggressive game.
fair enough phanes. he started getting personal first so could only return like for like.
but you do have to concede for new users some things on here are not just there in plain sight to be found out. Not just a simple search away. There's a 700 page thread and everything else is in technobabble. Its simple and intuitive for you cos you already know it. Its like telling someone to learn how to do keyhole surgery by just telling them to read a book. Not even a specific book, just "a" book.
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fair enough phanes. he started getting personal first so could only return like for like.
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yeah right, because it was me calling ppl a "****" around here. read my posts, i point people out where they are wrong, and usually offer help in the very same post. you are complaining that you can not learn if nobody explains it to you, yet when i explain what you did wrong you still complain. seriously dude, it is not that bad to make mistakes, and i never blamed anyone for that (prove me wrong otherwise!), but it is bad if you don't accept that you made a mistake and learn from it. the fact that about ten threads got moved from the dev section to general or q&a in the last week alone is proof enough that everybody is just posting whatever he wants whereever he wants. i don't think i am secretly pulling any strings (actually i don't even know what you are trying to say...?), and it was for sure not a personal victory, all i did was one neutral post about the thread being in the wrong forum. if you can not deal with critics about your behaviour then you shouldn't come to the internet. go to your gazillions of friends, if they support that behaviour. this is a community, and if it is asked too much from you to stick to the most simple, general rules (that apply to ALL forums on the internet btw!) you won't find people to be that helpful. and obviously you need help.
you have contributed absolutely zero so far, except spamming the dev forum and flaming around here, you think you make friends like that? if it wasn't for lenny and his endless patience you'd still be crying like a little baby whose toy is broken...
I'd like to congratulate Darchstar on his amazing journey as a developer. I gotta give it to you man, your newest rom is just lightning fast and has everything I need and a huge improvement from your very first one. I honestly think you make the best roms on this forum (especially in comparison to pieces of crap like PureHero) Once again grats, but there is just one thing that bugs me:
Youtube and Movies - I don't know what it is about youtube but I have frequent problems with it very frequently unless I'm on the official HTC published rom. What happens is every time I click a video, I can hear the audio but no video. On one of Darch's older roms, I was able to view the video by hitting "Watch in HQ" (it just wouldn't play in normal quality), but now I can't do either, it's just audio. The same thing is happening to me when I try to play a movie, I get the audio but no video. Again I'm not sure if I'm the only person that's experiencing this, but if it isn't I think it's high time it be fixed seeing how Video is a big part of the phone.
Please continue to make and improve your roms man!
You got your point across when you said it was the best. Why be rude and trash someone else's rom?
A: did you really need to start a new thread in [DEV] to say this?
B: did you really need to talk **** about someone else's hard work?
C: Mods, please move this to General or Q&A
tejasrichard said:
You got your point across when you said it was the best. Why be rude and trash someone else's rom?
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Seems every thread ends up like this.
Yes. And people wonder why we need moderators.
smw6180 said:
Yes. And people wonder why we need moderators.
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Why is this the least moderated part of xda if i may ask? Thats the point i was trying to make in another thread. You have people saying and doing whatever they want on here. People creating other names after being banned, flaming, accusing. I mean it's like a police state without any police.
I legitimately hate PureHero with a passion. I had it for a week and it crashed every single time I used the phone. Since I had finals going on, I couldn't change firmware till now and it was annoying as ****. I'm sorry, but I just had to express my discontent in some way as in I had to get it out. Seriously, that rom needs some work, but I'm sorry I guess I shouldnt have done that Anyway, about my main issue with the movies/youtube anyone else experiencing these problems?
Have you even read the Darchdroid 2.6 thread or just the first post? Youtube is a known issue. Why trash another developers roms there learning as they go...some people may like his rom.
Please this thread needs to be deleted
markus_del_marko said:
Why is this the least moderated part of xda if i may ask? Thats the point i was trying to make in another thread. You have people saying and doing whatever they want on here. People creating other names after being banned, flaming, accusing. I mean it's like a police state without any police.
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It's not even that though, they close and delete threads that are just conversations and are not harmful in any way, but then they happen to miss threads that actually get out of hand... i'm not bashing any mods or anything, but come on guys!
Who would you bash the people that are helping you??
why not just make your own rom? maybe you can build something that will blow all the "crap" out there out of the water.
As I said..I'm sorry but I just had the urge. I've had frustration bottling up inside of me this whole week as I had to restart the phone every time I used it. I won't do it again, sorry for any offense.
@98Classic I never stated that I was a developer nor do I intend on becoming one...
now you're back peddling?
Fixxxer, stop ****ing whining. Every post I see from you is you whining about some XDA injustice you've experienced. If it's that bad here, stop coming back.
@OP - This thread is a piece of ****.
y0sup said:
I've had frustration bottling up inside of me this whole week as I had to restart the phone every time I used it.
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No offense but over a phone?
Go outside and cool off, don't diss peoples work.
What the hell? How am I back peddling? I just stated an obvious fact that I'm not a developer and you shouldn't be asking me to make roms. I was just expressing my right to judge someone else's rom.
yes markus, over a phone. Do you have any idea how godamn annoying it is to have to restart your phone EVERY TIME u use it to call someone? It's ridiculous ok, you try it.
Maybe it was a bad flash, dude.
y0sup said:
yes markus, over a phone. Do you have any idea how godamn annoying it is to have to restart your phone EVERY TIME u use it to call someone? It's ridiculous ok, you try it.
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Yes i can understand it but instead of posting this thread why not pm the dev who created the rom for help. All this thread does is add to the stress of the community.
i installed an app called " pocketshield" and i noticed that when i set my alarm to ring , instead of having the manila ( sense ui ) alarm notification ( where you have the option to slide it to snooze or dismiss ), now i have a small notification on the bottom of the screen that says ( snooze - dismiss ) and i lost the slide functionality , i un-installed the app but i couldnt get the old alarm notification back ???!!! please help, i want my old alarm notification back , but how ? i dont wanna do a hard reset and have to go through installing all my apps and settings again, please anybody !? thank you
wow !!! 79 views, and 0 replies... come on people !!!
phoenixrise said:
wow !!! 79 views, and 0 replies... come on people !!!
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The quickest way to piss people off here is to make comments about how you're not getting assistance as quickly as you would expect. Obviously none of those people were familiar enough with your issue to give you advice on it.
So would you prefer that the 78 others and I all post saying "sorry, can't help", or that we ring up all the members who haven't passed by your thread or even the site today, and tell them to get with it?
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The quickest way to piss people off here is to make comments about how you're not getting assistance as quickly as you would expect. Obviously none of those people were familiar enough with your issue to give you advice on it.
So would you prefer that the 78 others and I all post saying "sorry, can't help", or that we ring up all the members who haven't passed by your thread or even the site today, and tell them to get with it?
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hey !!! chill out bro, i dont know what is making you so upset, or what's up with ur weird attitude , i was just wondering why nobody had replied with anything, and just to let you know sometimes " sorry, cant help " is actually very relieving, and who gave u the right to speak for what pisses people off here ???!!!
if u r having a bad day, there is no need to take it out on others
if you have something positive to add, then your welcome, otherwise it would be just a complete waste of time
The standard alarm does not have a slider.
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hey !!! chill out bro, i dont know what is making you so upset, or what's up with ur weird attitude , i was just wondering why nobody had replied with anything, and just to let you know sometimes " sorry, cant help " is actually very relieving, and who gave u the right to speak for what pisses people off here ???!!!
if u r having a bad day, there is no need to take it out on others
if you have something positive to add, then your welcome, otherwise it would be just a complete waste of time
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I was speaking from the experience I've seen many times in the past with posts exactly like that. I never said I was pissed at you, I was letting you know that type of thing often has that effect here
The way I pointed it out to you is a lot less harsh than you're likely to get when you write something like that, believe me. When you say "come on people!!!", don't be surprised when that comes off sounding demanding and spoiled. If you didn't mean it in that way, you might want to consider wording it differently, that's all I was trying to advise you of.
I'm actually having a grand day, tyvm, and if it does help make you feel better, I don't know the answer to your problem though I actually dedicated 15 minutes or so seeing if I could turn anything up, before I saw your 2nd post there.
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I was speaking from the experience I've seen many times in the past with posts exactly like that. I never said I was pissed at you, I was letting you know that type of thing often has that effect here
The way I pointed it out to you is a lot less harsh than you're likely to get when you write something like that, believe me. When you say "come on people!!!", don't be surprised when that comes off sounding demanding and spoiled. If you didn't mean it in that way, you might want to consider wording it differently, that's all I was trying to advise you of.
I'm actually having a grand day, tyvm, and if it does help make you feel better, I don't know the answer to your problem though I actually dedicated 15 minutes or so seeing if I could turn anything up, before I saw your 2nd post there.
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bro, i am really sorry about what i said earlier, i kinda regretted it after posting, i thought it was a little harsh, but i didnt know how to delete it,i dont know why i felt like u were upset or something, any way i am really sorry.
i'll take ur advice and i do think it might sound demanding to other people so i posted another thread hoping someone one would help me out, i even emailed HTC and if they provided me with any help, i'll post it in here.
thanks for taking time to help me out
P.S.: do you know how can i delete this thread , do i have to ask a moderator to do it? cuz it kinda got off topic
thanks again, peace !!!
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bro, i am really sorry about what i said earlier, i kinda regretted it after posting, i thought it was a little harsh, but i didnt know how to delete it,i dont know why i felt like u were upset or something, any way i am really sorry.
i'll take ur advice and i do think it might sound demanding to other people so i posted another thread hoping someone one would help me out, i even emailed HTC and if they provided me with any help, i'll post it in here.
thanks for taking time to help me out
P.S.: do you know how can i delete this thread , do i have to ask a moderator to do it? cuz it kinda got off topic
thanks again, peace !!!
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It's all good I know that forum posts aren't always the best place to gauge a person's true intent, so no harm no foul, and thanks for your sensible attitute.
I'll get zelendel or one of the other mods to close this thread, and I'll continute to keep my eyes open for anything that looks like it might be related to your issue.
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It's all good I know that forum posts aren't always the best place to gauge a person's true intent, so no harm no foul, and thanks for your sensible attitute.
I'll get zelendel or one of the other mods to close this thread, and I'll continute to keep my eyes open for anything that looks like it might be related to your issue.
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thanks man, appreciate it , have a good one
Hello,
first of all I'm sorry If you have seen a thread like this before but I want to try and take a different approach.
I wanted to buy this phone but I read countless posts reporting they have hairline scratches without even dropping their phone.
There was even one or two that got them even though their phone was in a case!
Also:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/2...-idea-since-the-last-phone-with-a-glass-back/
It kind of really seems to be an issue...
What I wanted to ask did anyone try to deliberately reproduce this? Or can anyone prove that this really happens?
I mean if the phone breaks with regular use without even dropping it it would be one hell of a dealbreaker...
Any rich guy/reviewer wants to run a few benchmarks/games and put it on a cold surface in a room and see what happens?
And please refrain from comparing to iPhone 4/4s I think people have seen enough droptests it would be really interesting to see if this actually happens or not...
1. why would someone try to reproduce it until it's a demo unit given to them by Google which I guess will be a rarity considering they are on back order
2. it happened to my friend and as of now he is waiting for the replacements back to arrive on fleebay
3. you posted in the wrong section
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1. why would someone try to reproduce it until it's a demo unit given to them by Google which I guess will be a rarity considering they are on back order
2. it happened to my friend and as of now he is waiting for the replacements back to arrive on fleebay
3. you posted in the wrong section
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Wow simple to the point. I like it
it wouldnt be a temperature shift from cold to hot, it would be from getting too hot and expanding when the glass was put in too tightly
I hit my Nexus 4 with a hammer and the screen broke. LG better fix it as this is a defect.
munchy_cool said:
1. why would someone try to reproduce it until it's a demo unit given to them by Google which I guess will be a rarity considering they are on back order
2. it happened to my friend and as of now he is waiting for the replacements back to arrive on fleebay
3. you posted in the wrong section
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Sorry I don't post very often so I'm not so familiar to the sections, if a moderator reads it please move it.
As to your questions maybe you didn't read my post or are simply uninformed. There were already enough Droptests, there are already people who have a defect phone some of them deemed unreparable. Also a lot of people got a review units. Heck there is even a guy on youtube who buys devices with his own money and breaks them in durability tests. If you question why people would do it don't ask me but I reckon someone who would do a droptest or whack their phone with a sledgehammer might be willing to try this.
Sorry for being so dumb to think people who deliberately destroy a phone would maybe be willing to deliberatly get a hairline crack.
Long story short there are plenty of people who could try it out.
meh nvm why are ppl always so offensive...
ruzkay said:
Sorry I don't post very often so I'm not so familiar to the sections, if a moderator reads it please move it.
As to your questions maybe you didn't read my post or are simply uninformed. There were already enough Droptests, there are already people who have a defect phone some of them deemed unreparable. Also a lot of people got a review units. Heck there is even a guy on youtube who buys devices with his own money and breaks them in durability tests. If you question why people would do it don't ask me but I reckon someone who would do a droptest or whack their phone with a sledgehammer might be willing to try this.
Sorry for being so dumb to think people who deliberately destroy a phone would maybe be willing to deliberatly get a hairline crack.
Long story short there are plenty of people who could try it out.
meh nvm why are ppl always so offensive...
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drop tests are easy to do, recreating something like this won't be easy at all dude and not sure if someone on xda will risk his device like that as the replacement backs are not yet available anywhere. also there is enough proof already that this happens and has happened to a lot of peoplel. so it happens but no one knows why.
munchy_cool said:
drop tests are easy to do, recreating something like this won't be easy at all dude and not sure if someone on xda will risk his device like that as the replacement backs are not yet available anywhere. also there is enough proof already that this happens and has happened to a lot of peoplel. so it happens but no one knows why.
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okay thanks^^
guessed ppl with an already shattered back could maybe try it or whatever