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Motorola Droid Beats Droid Incredible in Speed

Wow i was as shocked making the video as i am right now. Ran both of them side by side and motorola droid had a faster speed test the the incredible. equal playback of music from sd card and equal boot times.
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Just ran linkpack on both and Motorola Droid hits 8.2 MFLOPS and Incredible 6.9 MFLOPS
Motorola Droid vs Droid Incredible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnY3S7EZoAQ
Motorola Droid vs Droid Incredible 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ple7W-y8s
Fixed Droid Incredible Wifi issue, Re-shot video 2

If I can do math correctly then I am sure the 1GHz is almost DOUBLE 550MHz which is what the Droid is packin. So I doubt your theory based on that alone.

Honestly77 said:
If I can do math correctly then I am sure the 1GHz is almost DOUBLE 550MHz which is what the Droid is packin. So I doubt your theory based on that alone.
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Droid running Bugless Beast v1 overclocked at 1ghz. should have put that on title but certainly put that on the youtube video. Keep in mind the incredible not only runs Android 2.1 but Sense on top. Also keep in mind im not a Motorola Droid users defending his phone, i am a new incredible user showing hard facts with video.

We need video proof. And I still call bs for the fact the having to oc your chip your putting straing on it. I doubt it can keep up with a chip natively running 1GHz.

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We need video proof. And I still call bs for the fact the having to oc your chip your putting straing on it. I doubt it can keep up with a chip natively running 1GHz.
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I don't doubt it. The droid had a pretty capable processor at stock speeds. Better at drawing polygons than the snapdragon. (what was it 35M to 20M?) Overclocking it 40% makes it even faster.

Honestly77 said:
We need video proof. And I still call bs for the fact the having to oc your chip your putting straing on it. I doubt it can keep up with a chip natively running 1GHz.
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updated the first post with 2 youtube videos.... they are still being uploaded so give it an hour. 400mbs each file :/

I can believe this, my droid hit 14.5 on linpack overclocked to 1.2 and using jit. With that being said I'm still getting up in the morning and getting the incredible

I just got done setting up my friend's Incredible for her, and seat of the pants feel is, it's faster and smoother then my Moto Droid running Cyanogen overclocked to 1.1. Can't wait for MY Incredible to arrive tomorrow.

you cannot compare wifi vs 3g lol #fail

IncredibleDoes said:
you cannot compare wifi vs 3g lol #fail
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they're both on wifi

what the hell is the point of this post? obviously when we overclock the incredible, it will pwn the Droid.
on the other hand, a comparison of the screens would have been useful. so far, I think the moto screen is better.
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First off, I don't think the Incredible has a Just in Time compiler like most custom Roms released. If it does, I doubt it defaults to on. JIT massively improves performance. I'll have to watch the video when it works. I'm curious what test were run to judge speed. If the posts so far are right and you over clocked the moto droid to 1.1 that affects things as well. In the end, I'm sure I'll be happy with my incredible regardless of the comparison to the Moto Droid.

This was a horrible test. Its not testing the speed of the processor, its testing download speeds? The Incredible has the 3G icon on it and further proof its on 3g and not wifi is that Text messaging won't interrupt its wifi connection but will mess up your 3G connection since you are on a CDMA/EVDO network.

Ya there are so many variables none of these videos or tests are considered valid. When we root the incredible and get some legit roms then we can talk.

is this a joke? maybe to be fair since the incrdible is stock you should flash the original 2.1 update to your moto....
then once the incredible is rooted and running custom roms, then you could compare the two like that....
seriously you need to edit the title. "overclocked moto vs. incredible stock" something along those lines. don't try and be decieving and make ignorant people think they can get a moto and expect a faster phone stock...
this thread is wow, simply wow. sorry really not trying to bash, i appreciate you making and uploading the vids, its just a horribly weighted comparison

spotmark said:
...seat of the pants feel is, it's faster and smoother then my Moto Droid
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same here. i have my incredible right next to my droid at 1ghz. not a huge difference but it is smoother and snappier than the droid.

BzBz said:
same here. i have my incredible right next to my droid at 1ghz. not a huge difference but it is smoother and snappier than the droid.
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And thats WITH the sense UI which is a terrible resource hog.

wow that guy didnt waste hsi time at all rooting that phone. lol!

how is that guy running setcpu for his incredible? dont you have to root the device to use it???
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The incredible comes standard at 1ghz you don't need set CPU
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wow that guy didnt waste hsi time at all rooting that phone. lol!
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NOOB alert!!! There isn't a Incredible root yet don't post things like this and have everyone freaking out like this entire topic has got the doing already. Do some research before you post.
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Anyone else feel like overclocking is just a gimmick

Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
Tapatalkin it from my Epic 4G

Overclocking, for most part, is all about getting the most you can out of what you have. For some its a numbers game, for others it's just because you can. Personally, I like at least having the option open. However, my Epic doesn't like 1.2ghz.
Stock speeds are enough most of the time. I don't usually run the programs that use 100% of the cpu, so I really don't need to worry about it. Though, if I had the capability to OC.. I would.
As for setcpu, I've never experienced any overly excessive lag or anything brought about by its use. Though, by its nature it will be slightly slower to respond.

Coming from a hero, i can tell you overclocking is certainly not a gimmick! It may not be as necessary on these epic cause its crazy-awesome fast from the box, but it still helps. I keep mine at 1.6ghz on conservative, and performance when i play certain games. For me its about the multi-tasking improvment. Also i like to see my icons fade in smooth no matter what i have going on in the phone
But for me at least, its far more than just a benchmark score. However it is pretty sweet telling my iphone rocking coworkers to eat my ghz

jok3sta said:
Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
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Well first it depends completely on your phone, all are different in terms of what they can handle, so each individual phone will respond differently to overclocking/undervolting. I can personally run 1.2, 1.3, and the 1.6 completely fine, while a lot of people can't run any of these. In terms of performance, it does make a difference with animation speeds, fps on games such as pocket legends or angry birds, and overall lagginess. But again, this is dependant on your phone.
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I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...

Eazail70x7 said:
I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...
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Are you running v1.2.0? If so, the fps cap is not fixed on this version because Devin removed the 1.6ghz step which allows the framerate to be raised. It works on some phones, but not all which is why he removed it.
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That explains it

The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.

AndrewZorn said:
The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.
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Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.

thomasskull666 said:
Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.
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There is a notable difference with stock 1ghz and a 1.2ghz. 1.2 - 1.3 isn't worth it in real world that's bragging rights
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Hey guys, can you use z4 root on this phone? All i want is to remove is the bloat and undervolt it for my battery.. Any ideas of this works?

Why don't you ask in the z4 root thread
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Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.

Dj21o said:
Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.
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Yea and the search button helps to find it.
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Dude I know lol. I have a rooted hero, but im sick of all the custom bs. I want to underclock and thats it!

Help with JRummy16 Droid X overclock app

I downloaded both apps to overclock my X. the unstableapps version made my X reboot constantly no matter what I set it at. Now I'm trying the JRummy16 app. I set it at 1.45 at medium voltage. No reboots, however, while playing a simple game, it hesitates and skips and jumps around. Also, I ran a quadrant benchmark 4 times and never scored over a 1400. My X running the newest Apex Rom scores over 1500 all the time. Any help with this app would be appreciated, or is it just a waste of time?

I can tell you right now JRummy's app is a keeper. However, Quadrant should be completely be disregarded immediately. Quadrant scores are a terrible way to judge anything. This has been discussed so many times I don't feel like saying it again but a short rundown is that their are so many tweaks that can change that number so drastically without an actual effect on performance.
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But what about what I said about the game? Seems funny that it would start doing that after I overclock it.. Shouldn't that improve performance while playing a game or while running any other application?

and btw, i'm on here everyday multiple times and have never seen any major discussions about quadrant benchmark scores.. (other than the hundreds of people using it to brag about their X's all the time)

Your phone doesn't like that speed apparently so either go to high voltage or go down to like 1.30 and see what happens. I have found out that my phone likes 1.15 low voltage the best.

Just sounds like that speed is too high for your phone. Mine's best at 1.35. The x comes with 1ghz stock because it's stable on all phones. Some can handle more, some can't. You just gotta find your sweet spot.
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brandon2x said:
I downloaded both apps to overclock my X. the unstableapps version made my X reboot constantly no matter what I set it at. Now I'm trying the JRummy16 app. I set it at 1.45 at medium voltage. No reboots, however, while playing a simple game, it hesitates and skips and jumps around. Also, I ran a quadrant benchmark 4 times and never scored over a 1400. My X running the newest Apex Rom scores over 1500 all the time. Any help with this app would be appreciated, or is it just a waste of time?
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First of all, 1.45 is way too over clocking. I haven't seen too many Droid X that's stable at 1.45ghz. My recomemdation is to drop it down to 1.2 or 1.3 ghz. Mine is most stable at 1.2ghz low voltage. My other recomendation is to install Autokiller and have it preset at Extream or Ultimate. It keeps enough memory freed up at all times to run apps with out freezing your phone. Autokiller will make your phone snappier and smoother. At least from my experience.
Even though most people say that quadrant score is Not relevent in real life, I feel thats score has some truth to it. My Quad score stock ranges any where from 1250 to 1400. When I over clock it to 1.2 ghz low voltage (MY CURRENT SETTING), score ranges from 1500 to 1600 or some times even little higher. When I over clock to 1.3 ghz, score improves again. It scores as high as 1700+ which I'm sure means some thing.

Be careful when u running any auto task killers. Linux, androids base, has always handled processes well and managed ram well. If this was wm we would be having a different discussion. As for quadrant score I guess its an alright tool to compare ur settings on your phone bit a comparison better two different phone is not reliable at all. But actual phone performance regardless of the benchmark is always best, I normally run at 900 ghz at 45-46 vsel and the phone flies on gummyjar and rubix
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ok, well 2 days on 1.25 medium voltage and its great, so thanks all...

mfinlay04 said:
Be careful when u running any auto task killers. Linux, androids base, has always handled processes well and managed ram well. If this was wm we would be having a different discussion. As for quadrant score I guess its an alright tool to compare ur settings on your phone bit a comparison better two different phone is not reliable at all. But actual phone performance regardless of the benchmark is always best, I normally run at 900 ghz at 45-46 vsel and the phone flies on gummyjar and rubix
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That's what I was told also. That Android manages Ram well how ever when I was running Widget Locker, LP along with other apps including games, my phone would freeze or delay on me. When I check the RAM, it was going as low as 25MB available. Ever since I preset the AutoKiller to Ultimate, my phone shows over 150MB available and phone has been running really smooth with NO frezzing or delay.

Autokiller is not the same as a task killer. It assists android's internal memory management system. It just tweaks it to your liking, just like all the other mods and hacks you do to your phone.
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Atrix quadrant scores

Hello everyone. What's a good quadrant score for a stock 860? I have been seeing 2600-2650 on average, is this fairly common for this model? Is there a good way to prepare to take the test by closing apps, features etc?
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Ive been averaging consistent 2500 of four attempts in quadrant after the 4.1.57 update. I normally run it just after start up and I get those scores.

I achieved 2740 with 4.1.57

I've gotten around 2900 once, but it usually falls between 2650 and 2800. To be fair though Quadrant only tests a single core, if you compare it vs say an inspire on stock rom (Or probably even a custom) at stock clocks it will only get about 1900-2100. So really the Atrix gets 20%-30% better scores and it's only using 1 of 2 cores. Another thing you'd notice on the Atrix is it has nearly no slowdowns, even an Inspire running at a 1.8 OC (battery life is horrible) will bog when you install/update programs while doing something else because it's still a single core and needs to share cycles across programs where the Atrix can devote a core to all background activities and the other to what you're doing in the foreground. I didn't really notice how fast the Atrix was until I had to fix something on my girlfriends Captivate (Gave her mine when I upgraded) and she has like 25 apps and a custom rom with a 1.4 OC and OMG it felt so slow compared to my Atrix.

I got a 2774 with the gingerblur ROM. That's the best I've ever gotten and I've run it on stock, 1.52, the new update and gingerblur. Gingerblur has gotten me, by far the highest and most consistent scores of all. I usually run between 2600-2750 under normal usage, which is quite a bit.
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smartbench 2011 it said to support dual core. Have any of you run that app to see what kind of scores you get? On quadrant I get around 2400-2500.
With Smart bench I get around 2900 on productivity and around 2400 on game index

aszrael1266 said:
smartbench 2011 it said to support dual core. Have any of you run that app to see what kind of scores you get? On quadrant I get around 2400-2500.
With Smart bench I get around 2900 on productivity and around 2400 on game index
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That's about what I get, it's also funny (although not surprisingly) the single cores get obliterated except for a galaxy S because the GPU in those are amazing.

aszrael1266 said:
smartbench 2011 it said to support dual core. Have any of you run that app to see what kind of scores you get? On quadrant I get around 2400-2500.
With Smart bench I get around 2900 on productivity and around 2400 on game index
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Maybe this will interest you:
smartphonebenchmarks.com/

Hianz said:
Maybe this will interest you:
smartphonebenchmarks.com/
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I saw an Atrix running 2.3.3 in that listing. How is that possible? Faking the OS or something?

NoNameAtAll said:
I saw an Atrix running 2.3.3 in that listing. How is that possible? Faking the OS or something?
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No, you have to register in that listing. So Maybe he has registered false data. You only have to proof it with a screenshot when you are in the top 20.

i usually hit 2600-2800 on gingerblur but have hit 3000 before.

i got 2449 here

I average 2900 or so lately though I've been hitting 3000+ consistently. Im running rooted 4.1.57 pushing cpu to a constant 1ghz with setcpu. Hopefully once they get over clock we'll be on par with the xoom
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Clienterror said:
I've gotten around 2900 once, but it usually falls between 2650 and 2800. To be fair though Quadrant only tests a single core, if you compare it vs say an inspire on stock rom (Or probably even a custom) at stock clocks it will only get about 1900-2100. So really the Atrix gets 20%-30% better scores and it's only using 1 of 2 cores. Another thing you'd notice on the Atrix is it has nearly no slowdowns, even an Inspire running at a 1.8 OC (battery life is horrible) will bog when you install/update programs while doing something else because it's still a single core and needs to share cycles across programs where the Atrix can devote a core to all background activities and the other to what you're doing in the foreground. I didn't really notice how fast the Atrix was until I had to fix something on my girlfriends Captivate (Gave her mine when I upgraded) and she has like 25 apps and a custom rom with a 1.4 OC and OMG it felt so slow compared to my Atrix.
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1-what kernel were you using when this 'bog' down happened at 1.8 ghz when something was updating. cause my inspire at 1.8 ghz while downloading a file through web, and updating apps in the market will still be faster than the atrix. ive NEVER even had so much as a hiccup at 1.8 ghz on my kernel, and i just did exactly that, downloaded a file, while 4 apps were updating in the market, and at the same time opened app to qr, and the apps loaded instantly. the atrix takes a few seconds for it to load up, with nothing at all going on, with all bloat removed and only the factory default apps on it. the inspire has over 100. also, i posted this elsewhere also, testing my kernel yesterday running at 1804 mhz all day long, i got over 16 hours off a charge with 3.5 hours screen on time. screen brightness was at 100%. if it was at 50 it could have went much longer. not horrible if you ask me. the inspire with a single core doesnt lag when a live wallpaper is put on it, and i can actually type on the keyboard without having to correct errors every other word cause its lags so bad.
just another note, my inspire rom and kernel at default 1ghz (no overclock) hit 2700+ quadrant

I just got 4000 on CM7

4900 with cm7 + overclock to 1.3ghz ;P
the motoblur software and at&t crap really slows stuff down.

What's the point of overclocking???

Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?

bluntly, if you dont see the point of it then you don't need it.
For others, sometimes you run alot of stuff in the background and still want to be able to have your main app perform at its best level.
There is also the minute tweaking of speed and snappiness of the interface. The idea of instant reaction when you open your message app, or your email, or anything.

bruceko86 said:
Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
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Heavy multitasking
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flash video seems pretty laggy to me at 800...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Best link ever! I hope i can remember it long enough to use it sometime.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.

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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Fair question IMHO.
I don't see the difference when overclocking, or rather I don't feel it. Software does make a difference, but not the extra 200-500Mhz. I do feel however the battery drain

It always makes me laugh when somebody asks a legitimate question and you get silly responses like the above 2. It's as if these people feel threatened and have to justify that they are more knowledgeable than the op. The facts of the matter are most of the tweaks, mods and alterations are wholly unnecessary in the real world.

If you don't feel like it makes it better then you don't have to use it. I use it because I feel it makes everything just a little snappier and more instant. If you don't notice a difference that's fine. It's probably trivial for me to notice the little hang ups but I can't help it.
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For me there's several reasons. For the most part, the reason for oc is because you can. But there are practical reasons as well. For example, with the stock ROM running at 800MHz, you're stuck with that. With an oc kernel and using SetCPU or built in clock settings in CM, you can adjust it as needed. Gonna play a game? Bump it up to 1GHz or so. Done with said game? Take it back down to 800MHz. But it's not all about oc. Sometimes there's a need to underclock. Getting low on battery and don't have a charger near by and need to squeeze another hour or two out of it? Maybe take it down to 768MHz or 600MHz (if you're running Pershoot's kernel).

Dungeon Defender:
800 mHz : not fun, laggy
1.5 gHz : fun, graphic are more smooth

Reasons for using over clocking:
Because I can
Because sometimes I do notice the difference in performance of the UI and some applications (wait for Sense 3.0 etc...)
Because I also use it to underclock.
Like everything else, a lot of it is perception. My wife cannot see any difference between our normal cable channels and the HD ones. I can (or am I just trying to convince myself that I can?). Oh well.

Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.

here's my experience when it comes to overclocking. keep in mind that, like with your computer, it does vary from user to user... so I'm making these statements from MY experience, not making blanket statements regarding all of our devices:
- if you run multiple homescreens with multiple widgets and ui "smoothness," not just aesthetically, but performance-wise as well, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you have several apps running at any given time (in background or foreground) and ui smoothness, same definition as above, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run any iteration of a sense rom in any configuration and ui smoothness is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run PSX/N64 emulators and you don't want audio distortion or general lagginess, more aggressive (in my case, 1209 is a safe speed for maximizing performance without having a drastic effect on battery life) overclocking becomes necessary.
on AOSP builds, especially gingerbread-based, I don't think there is a necessity for more processing power than what we get from the factory if you're running a relatively slim setup and aren't using something like a PSX/N64 emulator regularly.

I run mine at 1ghz, but I did use 1.2ghz before. I do notice a slight performance difference. Overall tho I don't notice it much. I notice it more when I'm doing multiple things.
Nonsense!

OneGoodKnock said:
Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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I run 1.1 because it is noticably faster. Everything opens faster and works smoother. My wife has a stock G2 and when I grab it to look something up on the web or to use maps when we're out, I instantly notice how mucher slower hers is.
Works for me so I use it.

I notice a definite performance boost on mine, but it also depends on which kernel/ROM you use. I was running meXroid for a few days and found that it got extremely laggy even overclocked with Flippy's kernel built in (1.9Ghz), plus my battery was dying faster than a Chuck Norris joke. PyroMod has always been reliable for me and I flashed back to 2.0 earlier and it's just as reliable and power-saving as ever.

mputtr said:
For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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Thanks for that.