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GAme FPS slow?

OK so I switch from an Evo 4g hoping to get much better fps, but most games are lagging horribly.
Games Like Need for Speed,Raging Thunder 2 and Dungeon Hunter.
At times I think I'm getting burst of speed around 35+, but most of the time it looks about >20 fps. Is it that massive bloat ware slowing me down or is it the droid X OMAP not handling the games well?
Wheres the +60FPS dammit

You could try making sure no apps are running with some kind of task manager and make sure under settings and battery you have it set to hi performance,
Part of the slowdown has to do with the GPU, if you watch the videos where they bench the nexus 2.2 inc and X you'll see that because of the dedicated gpu on the X it scores much higher, but if you what the footage on the x you'll notice 2 things, 1 it freezes at a point, and this wasn't just that one test i've repeated and have the same freeze happen on my x as well as a droid (in the same spot) which makes sense both GPUs for the droid and x are the same.
As well you can notice that it doesn't properly render the shadow of the tree, my guess is the gpu can't figure out how to use the graphical data. (so if it's not even displaying the imagine at full quality or detail i'd imagine it have a bit of a leg up on speed)
So those are things to keep in mind, i shut down all my apps and in smart mode for the battery. NFS runs pretty well. maybe try a reboot

mavermc said:
You could try making sure no apps are running with some kind of task manager and make sure under settings and battery you have it set to hi performance,
Part of the slowdown has to do with the GPU, if you watch the videos where they bench the nexus 2.2 inc and X you'll see that because of the dedicated gpu on the X it scores much higher, but if you what the footage on the x you'll notice 2 things, 1 it freezes at a point, and this wasn't just that one test i've repeated and have the same freeze happen on my x as well as a droid (in the same spot) which makes sense both GPUs for the droid and x are the same.
As well you can notice that it doesn't properly render the shadow of the tree, my guess is the gpu can't figure out how to use the graphical data. (so if it's not even displaying the imagine at full quality or detail i'd imagine it have a bit of a leg up on speed)
So those are things to keep in mind, i shut down all my apps and in smart mode for the battery. NFS runs pretty well. maybe try a reboot
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Thanks for the reply
I have Task Killer's autokill set to Crazy, and I have reboot about 3 times today. I never notice the X has Battery modes (thanks for that tip), but I set mine to Performance Mode and it helped a bit. Anyone know what exactly the different battery modes alter?
Also I have also ran 2 GPU/FPS speed test app and got decent to great scores so I figure it has to be something running i the background that task Killer cant kill or doesn't see.
... guess I'll have to learn how to root this thing and Remove some bloat.

If there is anything that my x doesn't lag in its the games. I mean this thing plays the need for speed shift like crazy. Like as good as my ps3 lol. I think that there was an early batch of x's that went out that r buggy. Hopefully the 2.1 with blur that we have is just a placeholder for 2.2 that is to come. I think that we will see it about the same time as they launch droid 2. Its the same hardware except there are a few things that the x actually has that are better. Hope u figure out ur issues. I know that my quadrant scores are rediculous and mine runs games flawlessly. I average about 1250 on quadrant im assuming that is about normal foe these phones. Anyway goodluck
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ksizzle9 said:
If there is anything that my x doesn't lag in its the games. I mean this thing plays the need for speed shift like crazy. Like as good as my ps3 lol. I think that there was an early batch of x's that went out that r buggy. Hopefully the 2.1 with blur that we have is just a placeholder for 2.2 that is to come. I think that we will see it about the same time as they launch droid 2. Its the same hardware except there are a few things that the x actually has that are better. Hope u figure out ur issues. I know that my quadrant scores are rediculous and mine runs games flawlessly. I average about 1250 on quadrant im assuming that is about normal foe these phones. Anyway goodluck
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i have to agree, while games played well on my mytouch slide 3g, games on my droid x just fly...no lag, either!

synplex said:
Thanks for the reply
I have Task Killer's autokill set to Crazy, and I have reboot about 3 times today. I never notice the X has Battery modes (thanks for that tip), but I set mine to Performance Mode and it helped a bit. Anyone know what exactly the different battery modes alter?
Also I have also ran 2 GPU/FPS speed test app and got decent to great scores so I figure it has to be something running i the background that task Killer cant kill or doesn't see.
... guess I'll have to learn how to root this thing and Remove some bloat.
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Try setting the task manager to something below crazy. Disable it altogether to test with and see if performance improves

There are alot of apps that show ur FPS in 2D and 3D and after trying them and watching a couple of videos on youtube i've concluded that the x blows everything made away. I watched a vid with the EVO N1 and x and the only thing that the x lost to benchmark wise was the N1 linpack. And of course it has froyo. Once we get froyo id bet this thing will be so fast u will want it to be slower. I would also bet that froyo will have much less bugs considering that when droid 2 comes out that's what it will have and it will be much more complete. Froyo, ahhhh.
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Idont think its going to get insane linpack scores though. I think the snapdragon just hanndles processes a little bit better than the omap, that's why our raw operation test scores are low, although the phone is fast. Insane quadrant scores, yes. Linpack, no.
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hijackerjack said:
Idont think its going to get insane linpack scores though. I think the snapdragon just hanndles processes a little bit better than the omap, that's why our raw operation test scores are low, although the phone is fast. Insane quadrant scores, yes. Linpack, no.
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Linpack for n1 2.1 was only 6.... with 2.2 its 40 Ish.
Droid x on 2.1 is 8 to 9, so on 2.2 it should kill, like 45 to 50
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ksizzle9 said:
There are alot of apps that show ur FPS in 2D and 3D and after trying them and watching a couple of videos on youtube i've concluded that the x blows everything made away. I watched a vid with the EVO N1 and x and the only thing that the x lost to benchmark wise was the N1 linpack. And of course it has froyo. Once we get froyo id bet this thing will be so fast u will want it to be slower. I would also bet that froyo will have much less bugs considering that when droid 2 comes out that's what it will have and it will be much more complete. Froyo, ahhhh.
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Don't blow SG series away.... but there close.. sgs and Droid x ftw

Omap vs snapdragon (2.2 quadrant scores)

Ok, so wen I had the n1 and the evo flashing a 2.2 based rom ment 2-3 times the quadrant scores over a 2.1 based rom, but on my new fangled droid x my score only went up a hundred points or so. Is there that much of difference between the 45nm omaps n the older snapdragon? Or is the moto 2.2 leak for the x crippled some how? Perhaps w/out JIT? Is there word as to why we get jipped on cpu speed increases?
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Find a way to flash custom roms. Then you'll see them jump. Until then, the stock kernal says, NO FU I TAKE MY TIME.
Quadrant is only a number and 1800-2200 is plenty high enough for me. It's not even remotely accurate or correct as far as judging processor speed lol.

If i remember right the leaked 2.2 for droid x doesn't have the JIT complier so we wont really see that big of a jump in those scores like you did with the N1 and Evo

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If i remember right the leaked 2.2 for droid x doesn't have the JIT complier so we wont really see that big of a jump in those scores like you did with the N1 and Evo
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Wrong. The leaked 2.2 doesn't have Stagefright enabled by default because videos will fail to play back. It definitely has JIT.

Well i have quadrant advanced wich breaks the scores down by section and the snapdragon has its cpu score triple because of jit where as the omap only gets a slight jump, so does this mean we aren't getting jit to function properly or what?
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The 2d 3d memory and i/o scores stay the same on both from 2.1 to 2.2 its just cpu that makes the snapdragon jump so drastically so id have to agree that it doest look like we got jit in the leaked 2.2 update and all the roms based on it. Or at the very least. Snapdragon makes much better use of it than the 45nm omap
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From what we've been told, this was one of the earliest releases of froyo for the Droid X... the Official Droid X Froyo release is a good 2 or 3 updates ahead of what we have available now.. its very possible that in its very early alpha stages (what we have) that JIT wasent activated then.. and when the legit release comes out in its final stage, it will have everything going

We will see when the ota comes out. I wont know if I will go through with the hassel intill I know that it can be rooted and and have recovery installed.

The snapdragon has 128 bit NEON/VFP registers with floating point hardware acceleration. The omap has 64 bit NEON/VFP registers. You will not see the same boost in quadrant\linpack like the snapdragon gets with 2.2.

shep211 said:
The snapdragon has 128 bit NEON/VFP registers with floating point hardware acceleration. The omap has 64 bit NEON/VFP registers. You will not see the same boost in quadrant\linpack like the snapdragon gets with 2.2.
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ok im by no means an idiot when it comes to computers but that one went over my head. lol

Anyone else feel like overclocking is just a gimmick

Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
Tapatalkin it from my Epic 4G

Overclocking, for most part, is all about getting the most you can out of what you have. For some its a numbers game, for others it's just because you can. Personally, I like at least having the option open. However, my Epic doesn't like 1.2ghz.
Stock speeds are enough most of the time. I don't usually run the programs that use 100% of the cpu, so I really don't need to worry about it. Though, if I had the capability to OC.. I would.
As for setcpu, I've never experienced any overly excessive lag or anything brought about by its use. Though, by its nature it will be slightly slower to respond.

Coming from a hero, i can tell you overclocking is certainly not a gimmick! It may not be as necessary on these epic cause its crazy-awesome fast from the box, but it still helps. I keep mine at 1.6ghz on conservative, and performance when i play certain games. For me its about the multi-tasking improvment. Also i like to see my icons fade in smooth no matter what i have going on in the phone
But for me at least, its far more than just a benchmark score. However it is pretty sweet telling my iphone rocking coworkers to eat my ghz

jok3sta said:
Maybe its just me but I feel like overclocking our phones is unnecessary. It seems like its just for boostin benchmark scores and it doesn't really affect real world performance. For me I used setcpu and it makes the phone slower and laggy when on conservative. Is that just setcpu not playing nice with my phone?
Tapatalkin it from my Epic 4G
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Well first it depends completely on your phone, all are different in terms of what they can handle, so each individual phone will respond differently to overclocking/undervolting. I can personally run 1.2, 1.3, and the 1.6 completely fine, while a lot of people can't run any of these. In terms of performance, it does make a difference with animation speeds, fps on games such as pocket legends or angry birds, and overall lagginess. But again, this is dependant on your phone.
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I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...

Eazail70x7 said:
I flashed the Xtreme kernel today but for some reason, I'm not getting the FPS unlock. Nenamark and Neocore are not getting the +70 I was expecting...
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Are you running v1.2.0? If so, the fps cap is not fixed on this version because Devin removed the 1.6ghz step which allows the framerate to be raised. It works on some phones, but not all which is why he removed it.
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That explains it

The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.

AndrewZorn said:
The same argument comes up every once in a while concerning PC overclocking. I admit the phone overclocking has yet less benefits and even more downsides, but oh well, it's still super neato.
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Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.

thomasskull666 said:
Exactly, you have to compare this to pc overclocking because it is the same exact thing. Two processors of the same make and model will overclock differently no matter what, it depends entirely on the die. Correct, the benefits are less noticeable, but it still makes a difference.
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There is a notable difference with stock 1ghz and a 1.2ghz. 1.2 - 1.3 isn't worth it in real world that's bragging rights
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Hey guys, can you use z4 root on this phone? All i want is to remove is the bloat and undervolt it for my battery.. Any ideas of this works?

Why don't you ask in the z4 root thread
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Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.

Dj21o said:
Wtf there is a thread for everything here lmao.
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Yea and the search button helps to find it.
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Dude I know lol. I have a rooted hero, but im sick of all the custom bs. I want to underclock and thats it!

Is it worth switching on Desire HD ?

Hello every one, a simple question, i have an iphone 3gs, and want to ask is it worth switching from iphone to desire hd ?
Iphone really bored me

ceva said:
Hello every one, a simple question, i have an iphone 3gs, and want to ask is it worth switching from iphone to desire hd ?
Iphone really bored me
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Simple answer Yes. This is my best phone yet.

just made the same switch, getting mine later today or tomorrow.. hope its not "android" lagging as engadget writes

anyone who says that this phone lags is a jack*ss. If you run a quadrant benchmark on the stock phone you get marks of around 2000 which beats a nexus one by around 600. I use the android revolution rom and get a score of around 2500. On linpack i get 75 megaflops. The "lagging" problem is solved by switching the usb debugging option on. This phone rocks!! With an adreno 205 graphics unit, 1 ghz processor(can be overclocked upto 1.53 ghz --- buzzoc) and 768 mb of ram..its the fastest phone on the market today

Yes, the hardware is top of the line on the DHD, but still im afraid of the OS, engadget (known Apple fans) wrote about the Naxus S -"touch response and general framerate on everything seems to be cranked closer to the vicinity of the iPhone 4....-with little of that Android-lag we've seen on earlier devices".
But after seeing some youtube clips on the DHD and not noticing any lagg what so ever, i ordered mine and hope that engadget just doesnt like Android in their reviews

irteza_h said:
anyone who says that this phone lags is a jack*ss. If you run a quadrant benchmark on the stock phone you get marks of around 2000 which beats a nexus one by around 600. I use the android revolution rom and get a score of around 2500. On linpack i get 75 megaflops. The "lagging" problem is solved by switching the usb debugging option on. This phone rocks!! With an adreno 205 graphics unit, 1 ghz processor(can be overclocked upto 1.53 ghz --- buzzoc) and 768 mb of ram..its the fastest phone on the market today
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75 MFLOPS? What have you done with your phone??? I have Android Revolution 1.8 with the 1.1.1 Buzz Kernel 1,51Ghz running on Performance Mode (SetCPU) and I get around 53 MFLOPS ... ??

tvoben said:
just made the same switch, getting mine later today or tomorrow.. hope its not "android" lagging as engadget writes
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there is a bug called the init bug causing the lag, all you need to do is enable usb debugging mode from the development menu and it will go away for good, also animated live wallpaper are known to slow things down a notch, so leave that off
all android froyo phones after few days of usage might drop speed so when this happens all you need is to make a restart and it will be very fast again, the reboot takes a moment, also you should know this speed drop is not reflected inside the apps, only the main interface and it only happens when you've been using the phone heavily for a couple of days without a restart
gingerbread is said to have an app garbish cleaning mechanism that should hopefully fix this issue, HTC updated/updating its desire, legend and wildfire to froyo, so you should expect their flagship DHD to get the gingerbread update first
otherwise phone is blazing fast, fastest android phone on the block, equal or faster than the nexus S (the 2nd gen snapdragon is very optimized plus higher IO and more RAM, highly overclockable)
the GPU is also fast in theory the nexus S should be faster but all test are showing better results from the DHD's adreno 205 GPU, it runs quake 2 at 45-60fps, neocore at 58FPS, nenamark at 42FPS

Thanks for answers guys. I will switch my iphone tomorrow for this baby dhd

ceva said:
Thanks for answers guys. I will switch my iphone tomorrow for this baby dhd
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good choice
lots of info in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864393

If I'm iphone4 user, I will not think twice to get the dhd. HTC ftw!
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I agree, DHD is a great phone (I come from Nokia and there is a huge difference), my best phone yet...

Try4Ce said:
75 MFLOPS? What have you done with your phone??? I have Android Revolution 1.8 with the 1.1.1 Buzz Kernel 1,51Ghz running on Performance Mode (SetCPU) and I get around 53 MFLOPS ... ??
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Well in setcpu .. in the performance mode increase max and min level both to maximum possible ...( i use the buzzoc 1.55 kernal ... that gives me 75 mflops)
EDIT: well and restart your phone before you run linpack

There, now im a user, lets hope i dont **** up the phone while rooting ;(
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Definitely yes for me. Previously I was using Windows Mobile 6.5

tvoben said:
There, now im a user, lets hope i dont **** up the phone while rooting ;(
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Try it without rooting first to see if you really need the DHD rooted. I have rooted mine but to be honest I still haven't done anything that needs root access. The OS gives you the opportunity to install non-market apps, so unless you want a custom ROM or overclocking, it makes little sense to root it. And if you decide to do it anyway, there are some good step-by-step guides in the development section on how to do it safely.
Anyway - enjoy your new phone! I know I do
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Okey. Might be wrong place to ask, but on my dhd the screen is beneith the case, hence my finger makes a sound against it while I swipe left if right.
Is it just mine or is it the design. ?
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tvoben said:
Okey. Might be wrong place to ask, but on my dhd the screen is beneith the case, hence my finger makes a sound against it while I swipe left if right.
Is it just mine or is it the design. ?
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It's the design. The point in this is to keep it from scratching the screen while put upside-down. And if you install a screen protector, it lies completely inside that space, so it's leveled with the heightened "lip".
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tvoben said:
There, now im a user, lets hope i dont **** up the phone while rooting ;(
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Look what you can do though, its worth it
And yes it is a DHD

Awesome phone i got it today. But i can't really find some instructions how to install some theme or skin witch are at theme section, i know that my phone need to be ruted and all that, but can some one trow me few links with instructions please ? Thanks

Iphone might be more user friendly but android is more customisable. Plus desire hd has great hardware. Iphone is for followers, android is for leaders.
If you're a nerd and like to fiddle, android is for you, otherwise, stick to apple.
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Desire hd 1.99 ghz kernel..

Guys have you seen a kernel for the desire hd with oc up to 1.99 ghz ?
Damm thats oc man....you think it can be ported to our phones ?
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Probably not. Kernel ports are EXTREMELY difficult.
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Man that would be Kick Ass if we could get it to work!!

With 1.85 ghz kernels available, is .14 ghz that important to you?

Faster is faster I suppose. I would be afraid of frying chips from excessive heat at that point. I think 1.8ghz is pushing it a bit.

Actually the sky is the limit with the 2nd generation snapdragons. I could have gone beyond 2.0 GHz if I wanted to. I didn't want people to come crying here because my kernel bricked their phones I may release beyond 2 GHz versions if people are that crazy with speed.
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faux123 said:
Actually the sky is the limit with the 2nd generation snapdragons. I could have gone beyond 2.0 GHz if I wanted to. I didn't want people to come crying here because my kernel bricked their phones I may release beyond 2 GHz versions if people are that crazy with speed.
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But that would require stock voltage since 2.0GHz is kind of highish. The G2 and its scorpion gets to 2.0GHz which is odd since it defaults at 800MHz. I would love to see a 2.0 or 1.9 variants though, but stability should be the main focus.

are you guys rendering 3d scenes from avatar on your phones or what?

faux123 said:
Actually the sky is the limit with the 2nd generation snapdragons. I could have gone beyond 2.0 GHz if I wanted to. I didn't want people to come crying here because my kernel bricked their phones I may release beyond 2 GHz versions if people are that crazy with speed.
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Faux your the man!! I would sure try one of those + 2GHz Kernals.

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are you guys rendering 3d scenes from avatar on your phones or what?
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LMAO...No, I think their "literally turn my phone into a lightsaber" app is lagging a bit.
Kidding aside, we all love a strong kernel! Faux, you're top notch, and I appreciate the hard work you do...would love to maybe see some kernel love for the fusion sense 3.0 rom...*cough cough*

It's true that people get really crazy with their speed. A guy i know at my college OC'd his thunderbolt to 3.1ghz at one point.

I agree... I am on the fusion ROM now and it is Kick A$$. We would Love to see a BIG Kernal for that. I sure would Donate for the Project.

I took my 3.0 ghz wolfdale cpu to 4.5 ghz on air, so I understand the bug, but the fun in that was all of the work it required, including lapping the cpu and heatsink, making a perfectly balanced connection, modding the case to have excellent airflow, playing with voltages and stress-testing, dialing back and trying something new, etc. When it came down to it and everything was done, i just sat there, looked at my faster computer and realized there was no actual difference in anything I did on the PC, so I pulled back to a moderate O/C and haven't touched it since. I mean it's great when you can calculate Pi out the the millionth decimal in seconds flat, but evidently that doesn't have much value in day to day terms. Most of my nerd moments end up like that, the whole journey before destination thing...

faux123 said:
Actually the sky is the limit with the 2nd generation snapdragons. I could have gone beyond 2.0 GHz if I wanted to. I didn't want people to come crying here because my kernel bricked their phones I may release beyond 2 GHz versions if people are that crazy with speed.
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I would love to see the numbers my MT4G could pump out at 2Ghz+....faux your simply amazing

faux123 said:
Actually the sky is the limit with the 2nd generation snapdragons. I could have gone beyond 2.0 GHz if I wanted to. I didn't want people to come crying here because my kernel bricked their phones I may release beyond 2 GHz versions if people are that crazy with speed.
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2.0 ghz + sense 3.0 (when we get kernel source) then faux will be a demi god