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No Data and Voice simultaneously

Is this a deal breaker for anyone?
http://androidcommunity.com/sprint-evo-4g-wont-do-simultaneous-voice-data-20100329/
I think it's only a big deal in Iphone commercials
Well I guess 4g data and 3g talk is a go not sure how to change the thread title. PM me if you know how.

if this holds up it is not cool. Ive been drooling over this phone for 2 weeks, but with this question in the back of my mind the whole time. ive been an AT&T customer for 5+ years and didnt even know this was an issue untill AT&T came out with the commercials a while back. I was like "what, not everyone can do this??"

I read online that this is not a hardware limitation and could be fixed with a future OTA update.

http://www.androidcentral.com/sprint-clarifies-voice-data-evo-4g
Voice + Wifi = Yes.
Voice + 3G = No.
Voice + 4G = TBD, testing.

I actually never realized I couldn't use data while talking until those commercials ... and I've been using Sprint pda-phones since 2001.

Sprint tweeted that it's still testing so it's possible by the time the phone is released we will be able to do both. But frankly 4g is in so few areas that I doubt it's going to make much of a diff to most ppl. It will be good for the hotspot feature.

can someone name a use for using data while on a call?

I've use Voice and Data at the same time all the time on my G1. I'm either talking to my wife and she needs directions or a phone number and I look it up using Google Maps. Really easy and fast.

Yea AT&T isn't the only one that can do it. I do it on T-Mobile all the time with my Nexus, used to do it with my G1. I'm on a phone call and I get a text. I'm on the phone and I can just launch my browser or Google Maps or Gmail right away and do whatever I want, pretty cool.

Actually Sprint and Verizon can do SMS and voice at the same time too. It's voice and data that they can't handle.

I guess it helps working in the tech industry, if I ever get a call I'm usually around a computer which is faster for looking stuff up anyways...

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can someone name a use for using data while on a call?
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REALLY? many uses but here is one: my phone is tethered to my laptop. a phone call comes in i am in the middle of sending out emails to clients i can talk and do that at the same time but on sprint you cant. basically tons of reason when im on the phone with someone and a topic comes up i may Google it while we are talking. What do you use your phone for?

You must be a very busy person. Emailing while talking to people at the same time, also that the email must go out immediately during the call instead of after. Must be like a CEO of some company or something =P
I guess I must be getting old, I use my phone for talking on the phone, and when I'm not talking I'm doing the other stuff on it... I'm sorry if that was surprising to hear I was questioning what others are doing while they're talking.
I somewhat laughed at the att&t commercial when a person popped out and downloaded monopoly while talking to someone... are people so uninteresting that you must entertain yourself while you talk to them? And why didn't he just download it before... I don't know, it just seems like a gimmick to me, I can honestly say I've never wished I had that functionality. I guess that's why I asked.

its not a deal breaker for me but honestly if I'm in the car I tend to turn gps on just because I'm a nerd and like looking at new places or not having to find a way looking at traffic and such. and when I'm going to new places I tend to GPS it and not being able to make or take a call when I'm on the road with a chance of losing my barrings is well, bad.
I just realized, idk if other phones use data and voice for video calling but with it being a front facing camera for video calling, I would think they will def offer the data+voice.
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johnsongrantr said:
You must be a very busy person. Emailing while talking to people at the same time, also that the email must go out immediately during the call instead of after. Must be like a CEO of some company or something =P
I guess I must be getting old, I use my phone for talking on the phone, and when I'm not talking I'm doing the other stuff on it... I'm sorry if that was surprising to hear I was questioning what others are doing while they're talking.
I somewhat laughed at the att&t commercial when a person popped out and downloaded monopoly while talking to someone... are people so uninteresting that you must entertain yourself while you talk to them? And why didn't he just download it before... I don't know, it just seems like a gimmick to me, I can honestly say I've never wished I had that functionality. I guess that's why I asked.
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yes i do run two companies and i am on the phone for an hour at a time during conference calls that can get boring.

Not even a bother for me and has never been in my 11 yrs on Sprint.

I have a Verizon Blackberry as my company phone and AT&T as a personal phone. The only time not being able to use data and voice at the same time is waiting for an email to send or recieve. It has never been a big issue for me. Annoying sometimes.

johnsongrantr said:
can someone name a use for using data while on a call?
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Anyone that likes to do 3 things at once, like myself, would really like this feature!!! I assume Sprint will realize that this is important to people and enable it on 4G only. Technically / theoretically no barrier exists and the hardware and software could be designed to support this feature going forward... I guess we need to wait to see what Sprint decides to do. Please don't be penny wise & pound foolish Sprint, yeah I know... wishful thinking!!!!

It's a big difference between GSM and CDMA, GSM can do voice + data, but CDMA can not

dahui9 said:
its not a deal breaker for me but honestly if I'm in the car I tend to turn gps on just because I'm a nerd and like looking at new places or not having to find a way looking at traffic and such. and when I'm going to new places I tend to GPS it and not being able to make or take a call when I'm on the road with a chance of losing my barrings is well, bad.
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I thought I was the only geek doing this.
I don't need for my phone to be able to do both at the same time but, heck, I joined this forum to make my phone do things it wasn't originally supposed to be able to do.
Since it was mentioned that this is a software issue, it would only be a matter of time before someone could get it to work.

Spoofed phone, and replies...

Been using Google voice (not religiously due to family not the most tech savvy). This morning, I wake up, and I find a total of 8 messages from starting from 10:30 at night, to 07:59 this AM. There are a total of 3 reply backs, all having personal information attached to them).
Researching the number back shows an area code of 734 (Ann Arbor), which is ironically the prefix I chose since I previously worked there at U of M.
The really interesting part is that I have a bit of a "stalker" at work, whose number I've blacklisted courtesy of Verizon wireless, and have not had any issues in say 1.5 months. 2 nights ago while at work she asked about setting up a google voice account after just purchasing a Samsung S, stating "I don't have any clue how to set this up". Was a bit busy at the time (patient going bad, honestly didn't really care", and opened up the app and told her to browse through it to get an idea.
How can I track this number (really think it's her) and verify it. I have a harassment case pending in HR regarding her, and would like to have it as material to provide it it really is her. Second, how the hell can my phone respond back? I have "Unknown sources" checked as I use Ti backup.
Any help more than appreciated. Thanks in advance!

LOL Holy christ no. One of the "you can take the girl from the trailer...." She's done this before to others at work, with the last moving to Canada (I **** you not) with his wife and 2 daughters. Been getting worse, hence my interaction with my manager and HR.

google voice also can use your email to reply back to texts..is your email compromised? Change your passwords..and do a hard reset..if you are using TI..just wipe and reinstall ROM...
It's hard to say what/if she did something...but yeah, thats weird.
edit: I live in Ann Arbor, but I wasn't the one...haha.

pretend how u have this treasure in nigeria, and ask her to "help" you bring it here.

Christ, I never thought of that, and I do have that option checked.
Sigh... I just did a complete backup 8 days ago, only difference is 2 games, and I can re-download those.
Google voice already uninstalled. After that I'm going to get number changed, and see if I can get it "unlisted" by Verizon.
What else, any other suggestions are more than welcome and appreciated!

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pretend how u have this treasure in nigeria, and ask her to "help" you bring it here.
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Somali pirates would probably ship her back, and the waters over there are dirty enough. No need to have Green Peace involved.... or maybe so... thoughts to ponder
Any way I can trace that number back to her original phone number?

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Somali pirates would probably ship her back, and the waters over there are dirty enough. No need to have Green Peace involved.... or maybe so... thoughts to ponder
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actually what i was getting at was scamming her so that she would get the message.
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Any way I can trace that number back to her original phone number?
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do a reverse number lookup and google voice numbers are listed as grandcentral in their service provider. that will tell u at the very least that its a GV number.

Well, after logging into Google voice, somehow her number (which is and has been blocked by Verizon) is listed as a secondary phone, receive text messages on this phone has been checked, PIN not required checked, and never ring. Multiple sign-in is enabled as well.
Just outstanding. Changed email to some bs address. Will verify and forget, as has password to something ridiculous. Any other suggestions?

HyperTension said:
Any other suggestions?
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Document everything that has happened, as thoroughly as possible. Get whatever confirmation you can from Google that shows that your account was somehow compromised.
This chica sounds like she is serious business and doesn't mind playing these games long term. If she compromised your communications you can be sure that it was not just some isolated fun. She most likely mined your account for whatever info she could, and it's possible that she sent things 'on your behalf' that she can later use to accuse you of something.
Change all of your passwords immediately: banking, paypal, email, etc. If she was able to compromise one, it's likely she got into another.
It sounds like worrying about Google Voice or your phone is the least of your concerns: the symptom rather than the disease.
Seriously consider retaining a lawyer for whatever may come of all this insanity.
Maybe it sounds like I'm overreacting but I've seen the havoc that can come from such a situation and from your description, this sounds like it could go all sorts of awful ways.

I dunno... I think you like her.

i think you should talk to the police about this... not XDA... or maybe springer... he always gets the truth out

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...and opened up the app and told her to browse through it to get an idea.
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Is it possible she changed your google voice setup when you handed her your phone?
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If she's that much of a nut case, why did you give her your phone? It doesn't sound like she's dumb at all, if she mined your phone that quick.
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Who gives their phone to a known stalker nutcase?
I suspect there is more to this story.
Was she any good?
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OK wait one second here... a woman is "stalking" you and you are having issues with this?? Are you another woman? You can't be a guy because it is impossible to 1. rape a guy and 2. stalk a guy.
This is so much BS. if you were really bothered by this person why do you talk to her? why do you bother with her? I think you are her stalker, thats more believable.

I have been stalked by a chick. Its creepy. You get stalked when they're fat and scary looking. So it is possible.
Didn't know that they controlled how fast you post on here if your a new user. That is insane. But understandable.
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OK wait one second here... a woman is "stalking" you and you are having issues with this?? Are you another woman? You can't be a guy because it is impossible to 1. rape a guy and 2. stalk a guy.
This is so much BS. if you were really bothered by this person why do you talk to her? why do you bother with her? I think you are her stalker, thats more believable.
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Aside from just simply changing your passwords, change your security questions to the accounts as well.
Document everything and hand it over to HR

There's also an option to change your google voice number, if you dont mind choosing a new one.
Somewhere in the settings on the desktop site.

Need to purposely permanently brick phone...

So... my girlfriend decided to spill water on my Droid 2 and thank god It did not have a battery in. I let it dry for a couple days and everything works perfectly fine but it seems that some liquid seeped into the glass screen and when it dried it left blotches that are covering the screen and annoying.
What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?

Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.

You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.

1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.

NiceGuysFinishLast said:
You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.
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Your might be right damn. Guess I should change my name from komputer freek so it does not match my bill when I call them...Wait. They won't know it's me.
timur525 said:
1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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Phone still works perfectly fine. Just a blotched screen. Touch screen is 100 percent effective and nothing else is wrong. A cosmetic issue. Your right, hmm paying full retail for a phone does make me cheap.
orkillakilla said:
What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.
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Installing rom's voids your wArranty too huh? But anyway, never got to the dot that shows water damage.
kwheel596 said:
Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.
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So when people brick there phones and send it back like the countless topics have told them on this forum, where is this outlash calling fraud?

did you not have insurance on it?

botnryan said:
did you not have insurance on it?
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In 10 years of owning a cell phone I have never lost, broken or spilled anything on it. So in my case, insurance for the most part would have been a waste. Also, insurance, unless it covers loss, is a fraud within itself.
My friends have never purchased insurance and have just strolled into the stores (VZW) and exchanged for a refurbished make.
But, yes, I should have gotten insurance.
Also, to the people who are claiming fraud, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
This is for all other purpose a phone modding/hacking forum. For god sakes there are stickies saying how to activate wireless tether for free.
Now to the butthurt people above me, I sure hope you are not using any of those patches or tether apps because "THAT IS FRAUD".
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Try using the wireless tether for root users on the market
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Illegal. You should pay VZW to provide you with the 3G hotspot tether app or wifi tethering. But yet you are telling people to use the free one, huh?
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According to some things that I have read, your Droid 1 needs to be running Cyanogenmod 6 in order for it to pick up Ad Hoc networks, which is what your Droid 2 puts out. If it is running that then everything I have read points to yes, you can tether the Droid 1 to the Droid 2.
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Hmmm, so when you posted that in another topic, to the original poster, there was no problem to you, with him getting free wifi from his phone without paying?

I don't see why you're trying to defend yourself, what you're doing is commiting fraud, regardless of what you do you will be caught because of the cosmetic issue, now stop coming through the forum acting all high and mighty when you're doing something illegal, we don't want your kind here.
Oh, and voiding your warranty is not the same as commiting fraud, ones illegal, one isnt, now gtfo
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Have you tried a hammer?
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Try getting a replacement. See how u get charged. Then u too can see the light flashing bright yellow to use caution when leaving ur phone in anyplace where liquid may come in contact with it.
Be glad it still works...

Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks

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Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks
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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".

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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".
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Yes well that's interesting logic. Anyways, I'm not going to waste my time here. Good luck with your fraud.
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Stop talking about the people who root their phones and void their warranty that is bad yes, but completely software related. Has nothing to do with the appearence or the general ability of the phone to do all its tasks. As someone said above be glad it is not broken and live with it. Its your own fault it got "ruined".
Also, the market is run by google not verizon so anything posted their is out of Verizons hands. Still illegal and not saying its right but it is much more out of verizons hands.
And to answer your question there is no way to brick your phone to the point of it not working without Verizon noticing. Deal with it.

This thread is out of hand. Stop flaming. This topic probably doesn't break the forum rules, so if you think it's of questionable ethic, don't post, or report it and let the forum mod make the call.
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Speaking of" unlimited data", didn't that turn out to be a lie?
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I'm running stock jf6. Nothing illegal about that. Get on 4chan.
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Voiding Warranty and Fraud
There's nothing illegal or fraudulent about rooting your phone in and of itself, all it does is void the warranty. However, if someone was going to root their phone, then unroot it and send it back to the manufacturer under the warranty, THAT would technically be fraud, but that's completely irrelevant in this case.
Why do you even need to brick it anyway? The spots on your screen seem like enough of a reason to try and get a replacement.
What you tell them of how it actually happened is all on you though.

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So...
What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?
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What this forum needs is a wall of shame thread for posts like these.
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Big Brother Lives In CA & Coming to A State Near You

First let me start off by saying I'm a noob, a virgo, and like taking long walks on the beach LOL. I have been lurking around for the past couple of months and have learned a lot from the great people that like to help and share information. This is indeed a great community of people. This is my first post so if it seems long winded I apologize. Now my reason for my thread title. I live in Phoenix AZ (I know it's a dry heat), I was watching the news tonight and they did a story on the search of cell phones by the police. It seems that in California if you get stopped for anything, traffic ticket, jay walking, ect. and your cell phone is within arms length of you, the officer can ask for your phone and can search through it no search warrant needed! Yes that means anything and everything that is on your phone is free game (I find that a little strange since last year a husband went to court over accessing his wife's email and reading it.) But as the story was told California Supreme court upheld the ruling which again states that any person who comes in contact with a law enforcement officer can have their cell phone "looked at". This means call history, web sites visited, your phone book, and any and all information that is stored on your device. The only catch is that the device has to be within arms reach of the person. I am not a criminal, never even had a traffic ticket, but the thought of someone going through my phone drives me crazy. I keep my phone locked with a passcode, so would that mean that I would have to unlock my device for them to snoop through it? Anyway I found this interesting and I thought that I would share it with anyone who cares. My question is, of all of the talent that is in this community, has there ever been an app made like a "kill all pill", something that with just the touch of a button your device would be reset to factory settings and/or scrub the sd card? Just a thought. Once again thank you for allowing me to gain more knowledge of my device and to share in the community. Keep up the great work!

eddiegaz said:
First let me start off by saying I'm a noob, a virgo, and like taking long walks on the beach LOL. I have been lurking around for the past couple of months and have learned a lot from the great people that like to help and share information. This is indeed a great community of people. This is my first post so if it seems long winded I apologize. Now my reason for my thread title. I live in Phoenix AZ (I know it's a dry heat), I was watching the news tonight and they did a story on the search of cell phones by the police. It seems that in California if you get stopped for anything, traffic ticket, jay walking, ect. and your cell phone is within arms length of you, the officer can ask for your phone and can search through it no search warrant needed! Yes that means anything and everything that is on your phone is free game (I find that a little strange since last year a husband went to court over accessing his wife's email and reading it.) But as the story was told California Supreme court upheld the ruling which again states that any person who comes in contact with a law enforcement officer can have their cell phone "looked at". This means call history, web sites visited, your phone book, and any and all information that is stored on your device. The only catch is that the device has to be within arms reach of the person. I am not a criminal, never even had a traffic ticket, but the thought of someone going through my phone drives me crazy. I keep my phone locked with a passcode, so would that mean that I would have to unlock my device for them to snoop through it? Anyway I found this interesting and I thought that I would share it with anyone who cares. My question is, of all of the talent that is in this community, has there ever been an app made like a "kill all pill", something that with just the touch of a button your device would be reset to factory settings and/or scrub the sd card? Just a thought. Once again thank you for allowing me to gain more knowledge of my device and to share in the community. Keep up the great work!
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I saw the same report about California on our news.
I have news for you, I will never consider living in that state.
That is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS and a step away from the government having video cameras in your house.
I don't know what you can do exactly.
If you ever get pulled over, send the ***** into your custom recovery and format all.
Scary what this country is turning into.

Just toss the phone in the back seat.
I'd actually be kinda curious about the existence of such an app, also....

Ridiculous is all I can say
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I'd tell them to **** themselves and take them to the supreme court. That's purely unconstitutional.
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One more step in complete government control .... I live in Cali and truth be told if it wasn't for my son(separated parents) I wouldn't even live in this country.
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I'd tell them to **** themselves and take them to the supreme court. That's purely unconstitutional.
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I completely agree with you but unfortunately in this day and age "unconstitutional" doesn't mean a damned thing.
The Patriot act is "unconstitutional"...
Actually I just decided to NOT list all the things that are "unconstitutional" that are realities, I don't have that kind of time.

This country went to **** years ago
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"Tase me, bro."
*smash*
*I'm assuming this is similar to the 'plug n' pull' (ya like that?) that was mentioned before. If all it takes is smashing the phone to ****, well, I'd do it in a heartbeat. If I just had pr0n on my phone I wouldn't even care. But that never touches my phone. Nor my computer; felt the need to add that. I'm talking serious business. Not that 'phone tapping' couldn't be possible (yes, it can happen to us all) but anything to shut an effort down. I'd even smash my rooted device and give up a chance of rooted glory for all the bull**** that could come of it. I hate cops. I've had some horrible experiences with them in the past. I'm not a 'blah blah f*ck you' to the face anymore, but I don't play that ****. You can instantly tell when a cop is on the push, and usually it is because you are in a bad situation. But some trivial ****? Nah, I don't, and won't, play that.

Keep your phone locked. If they ask for the pass code, tell them no.

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Keep your phone locked. If they ask for the pass code, tell them no.
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I don't think it works like that, provided this was similar to the talk before ... your 'ish' gets plugged in and by some 'miracle super duper government cop pull' they jack any and everything off your phone.
I'd like some clarification though. I haven't seen a link, but this sounds pretty similar to the talk before.
I'd honestly laugh if this was a, "Gimme your phone son. Ok, how do I see your 'texties?'"

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I don't think it works like that, provided this was similar to the talk before ... your 'ish' gets plugged in and by some miracle super duper government cop pull they jack any and everything off your phone.
I'd like some clarification though. I haven't seen a link, but this sounds pretty similar to the talk before.
I'd honeslty laugh if this was a, "Gimme your phone son. Ok, how do I see your 'texties.'"
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They have a device they can hook the phone up to which copies all of the data.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying this sounds like. 'That talk before.'
If you could honestly lock your phone and deny access, well, that's a massive failure on their part. That is what I was saying. It sounds like all that business mentioned a month or two ago.

conqu1stador said:
Yeah, that's what I'm saying this sounds like. 'That talk before.'
If you could honestly lock your phone and deny access, well, that's a massive failure on their part. That is what I was saying. It sounds like all that business mentioned a month or two ago.
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Locking the phone will do nothing.
I suppose you can wipe the phone but, as we all know, the only way to truly destroy data is acid.

Right. If I am remembering correctly it was mentioned as such before. That's what I was saying. I wouldn't be surprised if this was being considered in Illinois. I should make a point of turning my phone off / removing the card everytime we / I get pulled over. Swallow the card if it appears suspect and smash the phone. I'd totally get tasered over as much.*
*tasers aren't that bad*
*yes, for fun
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This is BULL**** !
Im glad I live in Sin City

Just another reason for me to hate living in Cali. I must have missed the report but I remember about a month or so ago some state in the north eastern part of the us displayed a new device just for cell phones that police were beginning to use. Basically it comes with universal plug or what ever and totally scans phone in a matter of seconds. All contents are then stored in said device for further review. files included absolutely everything! Pictures, videos, internet history/cache, emails, call history etc. Welcome to socialism! California is leading the way.
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Just use titanium backup and dropbox. Then if being pulled over just boot to recovery and format all. Might still be able to recover the data though. We need a secure format option.
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Here is the key part:
eddiegaz said:
the officer can ask for your phone and can search through it no search warrant needed!
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Police officers can ask for lots of things. You don't have to give it to them. If an officers asks if he can look in your trunk you can say no, if they ask to come into your house you can say no, if they ask you anything you can remain silent. So if you have something on your phone that you don't want the police to see, just say no when they ask if they can look at it.
I have seen police go to apartments where the neighbor reported that someone was smoking pot. They can smell the pot, but if no one answers the door, or the person who answers does not let them in they can't take any further action.

mbaseball3 said:
Welcome to socialism! California is leading the way.
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While I won't dispute Cali's socialist leanings, this is NOT evidence of it. Evidense of Fascism? Sure is! Socialism? No. There are big differences between communism and socialsim, and both can be facist...but so can democracy. Fascism is the real evil. Socialism and communism are only theoretical evils that tend to die off as time progresses (though either one work very well in small communities. Funny thing: almost any humane fiscal system can work, and work well, on a small scale...it is when one starts dealing with larger societies that the sh1t hits the fan). But this is all far more political than is allowed.
Fazulka said:
Here is the key part:
Police officers can ask for lots of things. You don't have to give it to them. If an officers asks if he can look in your trunk you can say no, if they ask to come into your house you can say no, if they ask you anything you can remain silent. So if you have something on your phone that you don't want the police to see, just say no when they ask if they can look at it.
I have seen police go to apartments where the neighbor reported that someone was smoking pot. They can smell the pot, but if no one answers the door, or the person who answers does not let them in they can't take any further action.
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Someone hasn't been paying attention to what is going on
What is "allowed" and what has been actually happening are two completely different things. Wanna see a video of people being body-slammed and tied up for dancing at the Jefferson monument? Minute 2:40 is when they tell someone that they will be arrested for continuing to record.
Here is a news report on the incident

Sprint TOS Changes Could Alienate Rooters

I have been told, (not blaming sprint employees, you guys didn't lie to or deceive anyone), and have participated in telling others that Sprint supports rooters. This change was a huge blow that was unexpected and I no longer consider Sprint as great of a carrier as I thought they were.
I got into an argument with another user over Sprint's official tolerance to users with rooted phones as posted on this site. The other user however pointed me to this website.
What's important is quoted here
SprintTOS said:
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests, or our networks.
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This is verbatim from the Terms of Service which take effect on 9/9/2011. This is the most disappointing thing I've read all week.
Edit: edited portion in which I appear to blame sprint employees. I appreciate you guys and I'm sorry it got worded that way. I have an issue with overreacting to bad news. I appreciate what you guys do for us.

Lol. They can but won't.
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Sucks but then... dunno

Overstew said:
Lol. They can but won't.
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I don't know if they will or won't. The user I argued with said this was a recent change.
Edit: sorry to be so confrontational

I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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Wow... they'll just drive people straight to T-Mobile.
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rulyskull said:
I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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Yeah true but they'll have alot of accounts closed and alot of them will. Just go to anouther carrier, like I would flash my epic to anouther one,so they would lose way to much money and might not do it. Also they might not care about devices theyleft behind like the good ol hero and soon to be epic and evo, so all we can do is call and text to see if it works lol
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(m) You have red hair our favorite sports team lost last night (o) you just don't hang out with us as much as you used to.
They're just saying they can terminate for any reason, which I'm sure was always the case. They only listed things to cover their ass if anyone complains about it.
They aren't going to, not to mention every single rom I've ever installed comes with a laundry list of warnings/ramifications. Granted those are generally phone/warranty based, and not plan based, but it's fair to say we all realize we're not doing something our carriers would be overjoyed about.
Your only reason to be concerned here is that IF they terminate for some unlisted reason, like you download so much you're costing them money as a customer, they can cite "rooted phone" as "the" reason. (Or at least a "you can't complain" reason, since it was clearly listed. Ultimately they don't owe a reason at all.)
There's largely nothing to see here. My brother has an at&t phone. Rooted apps are hidden in the market, and side loading apps is disabled without root. Sprint isn't doing anything meaningful in the "anti-root" dept.

I'm sure that's in the old t&s also. Just cya wording.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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Akagami said:
If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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I think you're right. I don't understand why they care since we own the dam phones anyways.
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Akagami said:
If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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lynyrd65 said:
Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Right, but if they do they do. They can tell you to take a hike for ANY reason, always could, always will be able to. Nothing actually changed here, in that regard.
Terminating service makes more sense than anything. The whole point of rooting is to use the phones in a manner Sprint didn't sign on for. Thousands of people using root access to bypass their paid service to tether your phone to wifi devices "hurts" them way more than the few bucks they're out for handing someone who's been paying insurance for a year and a half a refurb after bricking their devices. You're almost certainly going to do something that legitimately breaches the TOS before you do something that has any effect on the warranty. It's way more a trumped up, lame, get of of jail free, card on the insurance/warranty than it is the service. What does a busted camera button have to do with rooting?
Edit: Put it this way. I own a business, I draw attention to the fact that I can fire you for any reason, and I post a list of a few of the things you're not supposed to do. Personal calls, eating at your desk, playing games, etc. That ISN'T saying "I'm going to fire you for making a personal call." All it's saying is don't come crying about how we fired you because we didn't like your nationality, when you habitually violated rules I laid out.
I mean, honestly, I find it hard to believe you're outraged over a meaningless word change, which is tantamount to adding "Altering your device so it can literally steal from us" to a standing "We can tell you to scram for ANY reason" line.
Edit Again: And I'm sure someone somewhere will claim they were terminated JUST for rooting. That doesn't make it true, and it wouldn't mean it's going to start happening all over. We all know we're doing something we aren't supposed to be which, best case, Sprint looks the other way on. If they wanted to stop looking the other way, that's their prerogative. It's their network.
People aren't being kicked "for roaming" they're being kicked because they're almost never not roaming. In some cases because they moved, in other cases because they never should have been Sprint customers in the first place (and might have even misrepresented something to get the deal they wanted). This is a pretty well known clause.

If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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Zeinzu said:
If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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Id say more like 15-20% and growing as awarness of root grows, that # might be inflated aswell, but I'm optimistic

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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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This right here. The agreement is there as a "just in case" scenario. If you're tethering or using abnormal amounts of data, resulting in slowing neighbors using the same tower down, then this gives them the right to terminate your service. I'm sure they'll send you a note before jumping to conclusions, though.

I pull at least 15-20gb a month. And my second line is on pandora nearly 24/7. Never heard a peep from sprint about it.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.

twyster said:
I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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Why not just add the plan for tethering instead of termination? I know I only tether once in a blue moon and for me root is much more than just tethering. It's voodoo sound to make music clearer, it's roam control to get my calls through, it's titanium backup to backup and restore my data and above all it's my key to taking full control of what's rightfully mine.
There is a little secret many of you have forgotten.
Unauthorized tethering doesn't need root. PDAnet works on unrooted phones.
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