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Hello Everyone,
As you guys may have heard that the magic will be able to update to the sense ui. Do you guys think it can be ported to the dream? The official update only. Or can we just install it even though its for the magic? Please let me know.
Thank You
Its already out there man... look at the roms in the development section.
However... if you think an official release of it from HTC is going to make it run smoother on the Dream then nah. Dream just doesnt have the hardware.
Senorkabob said:
Its already out there man... look at the roms in the development section.
However... if you think an official release of it from HTC is going to make it run smoother on the Dream then nah. Dream just doesnt have the hardware.
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an official update will make it run smoother because they have access to parts of the code that the developers here do not due to them being .odexed(allong with other things) so they could go even further with the optimisations. Although there would probably be some limitations due to hardware they could make a verson designed to run on the dream (which they probably would have if it wasnt google branded)
I wouldnt be mad if they DIDNT have an update to use the SENSE UI on the DREAM....i mean like the other guy said...its already available on here...just because main media and blogs say we wont get it doesnt mean a Dev isnt/hasnt already ported it.....i like the Sense UI at first but than I decided I like the regular Android Look alot better...
Hey everyone,
Since the Android platform is so open to developers, is it simple to port the HTC Sense UI over to say the Motorola Droid? I know the Motorola is not what this forums is about, but is the UI something that can be extracted and put together for the Droid? I love the Sense, but those specs of the Droid really have caught my eye.
Let me know.
im not soo sure of this but that Motorola Droid looks bloody good! Really nice device, huge screen and it is one of the few Droid phones around that has a flash (LED i know but better than none)
is there going to be gsm version of droid?
shah_vm said:
is there going to be gsm version of droid?
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Yes. There have been several images on sites showing it over the last couple of days.
Aspesi4 said:
Hey everyone,
Since the Android platform is so open to developers, is it simple to port the HTC Sense UI over to say the Motorola Droid? I know the Motorola is not what this forums is about, but is the UI something that can be extracted and put together for the Droid? I love the Sense, but those specs of the Droid really have caught my eye.
Let me know.
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Something I would like to know as well.
blazingwolf said:
Something I would like to know as well.
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Me too! Also if Motoblur will be easily ported.
shah_vm said:
is there going to be gsm version of droid?
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Yes, but we don't know about the 1700 Band yet.
Aspesi4 said:
Hey everyone,
Since the Android platform is so open to developers, is it simple to port the HTC Sense UI over to say the Motorola Droid? I know the Motorola is not what this forums is about, but is the UI something that can be extracted and put together for the Droid? I love the Sense, but those specs of the Droid really have caught my eye.
Let me know.
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i doubt it anytime soon...first the droid would need to be rooted first then devs can start buildin on it.
I guess DROID will have a better version of MotoBlur. And it can be better then Sense.... This is just my guess.
Actually since it is a Google Experience device it will NOT have motoblur on it.
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Actually since it is a Google Experience device it will NOT have motoblur on it.
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Why "Google Experience device" does not have MotoBlur ?
Is Moto Cliq not "Google Experience device"?
I understand, "Google Experiance (enabled) device" means it has Google's Closed-Source Applications / LIbraries installed, includes Android Market access, Maps, Gmail, Youtube, Google sync, etc.
.... Am I wrong?
setupr said:
Why "Google Experience device" does not have MotoBlur ?
Is Moto Cliq not "Google Experience device"?
I understand, "Google Experiance (enabled) device" means it has Google's Closed-Source Applications / LIbraries installed, includes Android Market access, Maps, Gmail, Youtube, Google sync, etc.
.... Am I wrong?
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I was wrong, my dear.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26759
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Somehow, Android 2.0 includes MotoBlur's framework in it.
Basic idea of MotoBlur is to integrate phone and social network sites.
This is what Android 2.0 got, and 1.6 did not have at all.
I am thinking Android 2.0 is a better integration of Android 1.6 and MotoBlur.
I dont know how possible this is going to be.
From what i remember reading the sense ui, is dependant on the HTC framework which is a large part of the rom.
Its not just a question of ripping bits out, as is seen with WinMo and TouchFLO.
This is why sense hasnt been ported out to the g1 and instead the are ripping hero roms out and getting them running.
Not sure if the moto blur has the same frame work dependancy as the sense ui does.
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This is why sense hasnt been ported out to the g1 and instead the are ripping hero roms out and getting them running.
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wow really... u just made urself look dumb.
hero has been ported. sense roms has been ported. enough said
brian_v3ntura said:
wow really... u just made urself look dumb.
hero has been ported. sense roms has been ported. enough said
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...That's what he just said. Instead of ripping Sense alone, they're ripping the entire rom is what he was meaning.
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wow really... u just made urself look dumb.
hero has been ported. sense roms has been ported. enough said
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Please try and read my post and understand whats being said. That way you wont find the need to make sarcastic comments, its not particulary helpful for anyone else trying to follow the thread.
Just so you know Sense UI isnt a ROM, Sense (aka Rosie) is HTC's Custom UI for Android, closed source im affraid so no direct porting on the any other handset, all you can do is modifiy another phones ROM to run on your hardware.
Is it possible to PORT Sense UI to other devices such as the Sony Ericsson X10, Dell Mini 5 etc?
I really Fancy a Dell Mini 5 but i seriously want Sense UI. I couldnt go back to the Android without it. I wish the Supersonic would just hurry up. I want an Android phone with at least a 4" Screen running Android 2.1....
over at alldroid.org, there is a group of developers under the name Zeusdroid that are working on porting SenseUI over and nearly have it completed besides the RIL or the Radio Interface Link. Due to HTC's special configurations of their ROM that tie into the Radio, there has been some issues with it switching between 3G and 1X to make outgoing calls and then not being able to receive incoming calls.
If there are any season software engineers out there that would be willing to mod the existing RIL to work with the SenseUI rom, please head over to alldroid.org and seen a PM to Greek35T, thegeektern, Birdman or myself.
Thanks,
tallnerd1985
Sorry... but I'm new to the Droid community, but not new to modding.
I've already been through 6 ROMs on my phone... right now on UltimateDroid. It's alright... I need better though.
I've been looking all over... and alldroid is dead. Sadly.
Does anybody know where there might be somebody still working on this and getting it fully functional on the MotoDroid?
I would really love to have SenseUI. And be OCed as fast as I am (Quadrant has BCed me at 1500+ w/ Chevy's 1250 ULV).
Let me know guys... Thanks!
WOW thread necromancy.
There is a user over at droidforums that is working on a sense ui port on the droid 1 from the incredible.
He has a flashable version right now that phone and text work on but no data.
Check this thread.
Is this possible?
As of right now I think the development are worrying about getting a recovery on our phones and we need the recovery to flash roms unless there's another way...
Not only that but sense is a cpu hog. Such a horrible UI.
CM6 is all I care about getting on here. FB/Twitter integration all exists in 2.1, Sense adds little other than pretty looking widgets.
Isn't cm6 2.2??
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Isn't cm6 2.2??
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Yes, I was just referring to the fact that we havent needed Sense UI for anything but pretty widgets since Android SDK 2.1
Why would you want Sense over TouchWiz? If you we're looking for pretty there are lots of HTC Sense packing HTC phones on the market. The myTouch Slide is kind of running an ugly version of Sense but it still is Sense.
One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.
Sense has some very appealing factors, such as the hibernate support and of course, the cosmetics of it
In addition, the new version of HTC sense is supposed to have a lot of optimizations meaning it will be faster than before.
At the very least, is it possible for a dev to port the algorithms used for hibernate to the Vibrant?
Use this. its not sense but its a launcher close to it. has 3d drawer and everything.
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One more thing to consider, also. You won't find any reputable developer such as Cyanogen putting sense in their roms because of legality issues. So, if you do happen to come across a rom for this phone running sense, chances are its going to be pretty bunk.
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but there are many more reputable developers then CM
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Is this possible?
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Possible? perhaps...
Desireable? perhaps not...
Likely? Given the legal issues involved? not very...
I am also interested in this.. But to be honest if it where to happen, it won't happen until the developers get the source code for 2.2 and haber time to play with it.
So, if we are lucky and someone does decide to work on this.. knowing the possible legal issues. It would take a few weeks (after official 2.2) to get it done.
But I have no doubt in my mind that it would work in our phones.
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KingKlik(sp?) made a lot of sense roms for the MT3G and a lot of people seemed to like them. I just think Sense looks terrible, compared to any UI on any new age smartphone I have seen(except maybe Windows Mobile). I'm mainly talking about the launcher tough, the part that people for some reason like to throw on their phone even if they don't have sense.
Committed to the developer community, we're launching http://www.HTCdev.com and opening Sense to devs via OpenSense SDK #uplinq #HTC
We know that, by supporting your ideas, the benefits customers get from our technology can increase exponentially. HTCdev is designed to give you the inspiration to explore the possibilities within the HTC platform, the support you need to develop your ideas, the platform you need to promote your applications and the forum to connect with other developers and with HTC. Through tools, tutorials, blogs and events, HTCdev is dedicated to helping you get the most from your talent and potential. And we can’t wait to get started.
http://www.htcdev.com/about/
Looks like my next phone may be HTC afterall.
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Looks like my next phone may be HTC afterall.
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ya i could agree my first batch of phones were htc then i moved off but i could say i will be getting the sensation afterall the bootloader business etc.
this is great news! glad HTC has decided to embrace the open dev community instead of creating barriers all the time.
Wow! I have been waiting for this for a long time. I hope they will release it in the summer.
so we can expext to have HTCSense on almost every Android Device? ^^
Was speaking to CM_arcee on twitter (developer for CM): "They're opening APIs to use Sense on devices that have it, they're not giving away Sense itself."
So that means Sense won't be coming to out non-HTC phone
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so we can expext to have HTCSense on almost every Android Device? ^^
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No, this is an API of sorts into the current sense environment. Developers will be able to write apps that use sense features to give the same look-and-feel as stock sense apps on sense based devices.
Why would developers limit themselves to HTC devices only in stead of the whole Android ecosystem?
it will help the development of apps for the flyer
let's hope
WOW, incredible news.....from locking their boot loaders to almost total openness, what a turn of events. Just shows what a nice strong community can accomplish. If there wasnt XDA nothing like this could have happened.
If the new HTC dual core doesn't take much longer to release, I ll be getting that definitely. I love HTC and after HD2, I still believe that the brand can reinvent themselves and lead the new smartphone industry, as they have done before.
This is a very clever move from HTC, and one which will certainly see them gain much love from the dev community.
I'm not sure it will be total access to HTC Sense, but certainly a way to make apps/widgets etc integrate with Sense a lot better. That can only be a good thing. HTC have obviously realised that the dev community came to originally, and wants to stay with them, and they are making it worth our while.
If it will run only on HTC devices, this is the right way!
Makes sense as not to open it up to other devices Sense is what makes it stand out from other devices.HTC sense is why im married to the brand so to speak.
Worst idea ever... HTC will give you access to propriatery HTC APIs and you will be able to code apps for their phones only... worst "open" idea ever.
I sincerely hope that devs ignore this HTC ploy to better their own UI.
This is going in the same direction as the Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung optimised games that only work on one of the CPU. WTF.. games on android should be optimised for all CPUs or should I say CPUs should be compatible with some standard... like OpenGL that they are using dooohhhhh... Stupid SoC makers.
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Worst idea ever... HTC will give you access to propriatery HTC APIs and you will be able to code apps for their phones only... worst "open" idea ever.
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It gives devss the option to integrate with the Sense UI if they want to. It's up to the devs themselves whether they want to code exclusively for it. They can still code for all Android (as they could before) and then on top of that make it work nicely with Sense as well. This can only be a positive thing in my opinion.
As long as they doesn't release the entire sense source code it's not open. Period.
the first thing that came to my mind was Cookie's Home Tab from winmo. Can't wait!
Good for sense cuz they get developers but those apps made for sense will only work with sense and then more android fragmentation... the last thing we need
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Great news!
I am sorry I don't wish to be rude, but it is absolutely ridiculous that some people are trying to make this look like a bad thing. How some people can turn a news about Sense becoming MORE open, into an almost doomsday prophecy for Android is beyond me.
This is only making life easier for the devs working on Sense, which in terms means better and faster development of said UI... How can that be bad? It's not like it means that all deving for other devices is getting worse as a result..
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I have NO ANY experience in Linux or android. I have programming skills in Delphi and php but that's it - So because HTC Desire Z hardware seems to be kinda very simillar to Ideos x5 and this desire already have official 2.3 version is there any possibility just use that rom add drivers from ideos and use it? We all have different pc's but windows/linux runs in all of them so i think this should be the same
Oxygen, MIUI and CyanogenMod are all Gingerbread based, so no need for another port IMO...
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Oxygen, MIUI and CyanogenMod are all Gingerbread based, so no need for another port IMO...
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But i think that people who made it for HTC maybe done this better (no offence here devs). I always read latest news on those roms and always something is wrong. Anyway Android os is **** IMO. It's ****ing minor update but you can't just install it..you need to ****ing programm it to make it work.. why windows xp can be upgraded but Android cant?
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But i think that people who made it for HTC maybe done this better (no offence here devs). I always read latest news on those roms and always something is wrong. Anyway Android os is **** IMO. It's ****ing minor update but you can't just install it..you need to ****ing programm it to make it work.. why windows xp can be upgraded but Android cant?
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I assume you own a huawei x5 phone... didn't you know that it is an Android phone? And if yes, why did you get it if you think android is ****?
And you're wrong in thinking devs can't produce high quality custom ROMS as miui, oxygen and Cyanogen ROMS will show you. Yes, there are minor bugs, but they are being worked on.
On the quality of the android community, remember that it wasn't by chance that Samsung hired Cyanogen mod's founder...
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I assume you own a huawei x5 phone... didn't you know that it is an Android phone? And if yes, why did you get it if you think android is ****?
And you're wrong in thinking devs can't produce high quality custom ROMS as miui, oxygen and Cyanogen ROMS will show you. Yes, there are minor bugs, but they are being worked on.
On the quality of the android community, remember that it wasn't by chance that Samsung hired Cyanogen mod's founder...
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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It is more to the companies, that are holding the updates. They dont want keep older models up to date because it would hinder their selling of newer models.
If u want a phone that is allways most up-to-date, get a Google Nexus...
You're absolutely wrong...from any perspective
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Just because i own android phone it doesn't mean that i don't think that it's not **** And yes android rocks, but it's **** what comes to upgrades and so on it's way to complicated... too much new versions coming up too frequently. As i read- 94% of iphone users uses newest versions of os, but only 0.4% of android users have the newest version So is this phone companies problem or Android-i think it's android, but i may be wrong.
And i respect the devs who makes custom roms, THEY ARE AWESOME, like Charlie Sheen!
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I think that you have no BASIC understanding on Operating System and hardware components...
Every manufacturer releases updates, just like the one you quoted on this thread from HTC and to upgrade the Desire Z it's very easy, perhaps easier than windows Xp if you want to compare. So, that applies for Huawei in the same manner, except Huawei hasn't realeased 2.3 Roms yet.
Because every handset manufacturer, just like computers, has different hardware components within the phones, it makes the operating system very difficult to port from a handset to another and that's where devs come into equation.
To make this easier to understand, try copying windows files from an Intel machine and start that on an AMD machine...Let me know how that goes.
You're wrong about Android, it's not difficult at all to upgrade or install, in 15 minutes you can have a fresh installation done, with EVERYTHING you had in previous version of Android (including apps, contacts, settings etc) I'd like to see that happening with IOS from Apple, when it takes ages to do an upgrade, not to mention a fresh install...
Android is the most versatile operating system on the market at the moment and time will tell...It started from practically nothing and now it's the most used mobile OS on the market.
Now on this topic, which is useless by the way, this Rom is a stock one for Desire Z, which has absolutely no use for any existing development project.
This reply may sound a bit blunt, but you don't really know what you're talking about...
I know what i'm talking about, i just, as i mentioned, i do not know linux.
I very well know operating systems and that mobiles have a harware that have to be driven by software, and alll of them needs drivers... So as i sayd - take drivers from 2.2 and put them in 2.3 - if android is so versatile it should work. That's what was the main question- why it's not possible to do that. We already have Ideos drivers. Or you need to edit some core android files to fit hardware?
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I know what i'm talking about, i just, as i mentioned, i do not know linux.
I very well know operating systems and that mobiles have a harware that have to be driven by software, and alll of them needs drivers... So as i sayd - take drivers from 2.2 and put them in 2.3 - if android is so versatile it should work. That's what was the main question- why it's not possible to do that. We already have Ideos drivers. Or you need to edit some core android files to fit hardware?
Anyway let's leave this topic, moderators can delete it
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im not any linux expert, and i just have basic understanding of OS in principle back from my colleage days..
anyway i would think that there are already lots of experts working on this android phone, and if it's really that simple to accomplish, it should have been accomplished already..
and if it happens that we have to wait for each iteration of the update to get little bit of improvements here and there, there are reasons behind..
(this is from my experience as a java programmer for ten years..)
and finally, if u think u can out-smart those guys, why not go and prepare a ROM urself?
ur words will then be much recognised with a ROM to speak on ur behalf..
WHo said i can out think them? Just i saw official ROM to work with this particular processor what ideos have and i was thinking-hey maybe that's what they need'ed - some "Drivers" for this processor so they can extract it and use it. That's it.
And it's sounds kinda very logic to me.
cause i don't uderstand - how it cannot work if 2.2 have all drivers need'ed so what's the problem? And that's the question because of no knowledge in Android, and i'm thinking from windows perspective and by that point it looks very easy.
[unless they need source codes of drivers and Huawei do not share them, so they cannot use compiled versions or something.
hmm it sounds good, but let say that the processor and the GPU are the same like in the Desire Z, the RAM chip is different, the display is different , the mainboard is different the camera is different ,sensors are differnet and when we combine all that in one ROM with CPU drivers from Desire Z and all old rivers from huawei we get totall mess
So that why DEV's just make optimization of all that stuff to work normal (well thats why appears and some minor bugs because is hard to compile new drivers and software to run over them)