CNET: EVO beats iphone 4 - EVO 4G General

Watch "iPhone 4 vs. HTC Evo 4G" from CNET TV:
http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-6452_7-697.html?tag=smallCarouselArea.0

Like anyone here actually needed a video to tell them that

rekphiv said:
Like anyone here actually needed a video to tell them that
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QFT.
But a reminder never hurts.

How can they say that iPhone and Evo are tied in Multimedia and Web Browsing...
More screen real estate, youtube HQ, Flash, HDMI, etc, etc...

CNET gives us the legitimacy we never had before, as most of us were Hero owners.

They were even generous with the iPhone IMO. The perfect score for multimedia, for instance, is not deserved on a closed system.

buddyisadog said:
They were even generous with the iPhone IMO. The perfect score for multimedia, for instance, is not deserved on a closed system.
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I can download free music without having to jailbreak on my evo hahaha

Look at this:
http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-6452_7-689.html
In that comparison, the same people slammed the EVO on call quality\general performance, giving it the same scores they gave the iPhone 4. In this case, they say the EVO's battery life is just as much of an issue as the iPhone4's antenna issue, as that is the reason they gave it low scores.
If they stayed consistent, the iPhone 4 would have won. I think they wanted the EVO to beat the iPhone 4. In my mind, it does. But I think CNET might be confused...

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Look at this:
http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-6452_7-689.html
In that comparison, the same people slammed the EVO on call quality\general performance, giving it the same scores they gave the iPhone 4. In this case, they say the EVO's battery life is just as much of an issue as the iPhone4's antenna issue, as that is the reason they gave it low scores.
If they stayed consistent, the iPhone 4 would have won. I think they wanted the EVO to beat the iPhone 4. In my mind, it does. But I think CNET might be confused...
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That review is written before the latest OTA, the prize fight is after. For a lot of people the OTA solved the battery issues. Me I was able to figure out which programs kept my evo awake before the OTA. The OTA just helped even more.

That other comparison was probably done before the radio updates and all of the various ota pushes that sprint had.

gmelchert said:
I can download free music without having to jailbreak on my evo hahaha
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Unless you mean directly to the phone, any iDevice can do that too. Dl on computer, drag to iTunes, sync.

After having the Evo for a bit, I don't think I will ever be able to use anything with a screen less than 4 inches. I finally got a chance to check out the iPhone 4 the other day and it seemed TINY. I know the overall device is smaller, but I don't remember my 3G screen seeming that small. Same story with the Hero if you play around with one after using the Evo for a while.

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After having the Evo for a bit, I don't think I will ever be able to use anything with a screen less than 4 inches. I finally got a chance to check out the iPhone 4 the other day and it seemed TINY. I know the overall device is smaller, but I don't remember my 3G screen seeming that small. Same story with the Hero if you play around with one after using the Evo for a while.
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QFT. I turned on my touch pro 2 last week and my reaction was the same as when i turned my touch pro on after a while of using the Touch Pro 2. "HOW THE EFF DID I EVER USE SUCH A TINY SCREEN". I'm so spoiled now. Like seriously. How did we ever manage on a 2.8 inch screen?

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Unless you mean directly to the phone, any iDevice can do that too. Dl on computer, drag to iTunes, sync.
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i think he means he can download music right from apps in the market for free n without connecting to the comp. i use mp3 download from the market n love it.

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QFT. I turned on my touch pro 2 last week and my reaction was the same as when i turned my touch pro on after a while of using the Touch Pro 2. "HOW THE EFF DID I EVER USE SUCH A TINY SCREEN". I'm so spoiled now. Like seriously. How did we ever manage on a 2.8 inch screen?
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Seriously I was thinking about my Touch Diamond and HTC Touch the other day. I hated typing on both of those.
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i think he means he can download music right from apps in the market for free n without connecting to the comp. i use mp3 download from the market n love it.
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You can also download them straight from the browser too.

PikkonX said:
After having the Evo for a bit, I don't think I will ever be able to use anything with a screen less than 4 inches. I finally got a chance to check out the iPhone 4 the other day and it seemed TINY. I know the overall device is smaller, but I don't remember my 3G screen seeming that small. Same story with the Hero if you play around with one after using the Evo for a while.
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Holy crap yes. I gave my old iPhone 3G to my mum, and had to load some driving directions in it yesterday. Thanks to the giant rubber case on it, it felt like I was holding a small brick that had a complimentary LCD on it that was amazingly small.
4.3" LCD is the new way to go. Ya got that, manufacturers? EVO-size is the future, not Aria-size!

Oh how I love sending these videos to iFanBoy friends. :]

I agree with the sentiments about screen size. I gave my mom my old Hero and had to help her get Google Navigation to work. I was sitting there thinking how did I ever use this?! It's so small I can't believe I actually used this thing to navigate in the car!
And after playing around with my cousin's iPhone 4, as sharp as it is, it's just too small (and you really cant see a difference in sharpness at normal viewing length anyway). And yes, the iPhone 4 screen actually is a little bit smaller than the 3GS.

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Seriously I was thinking about my Touch Diamond and HTC Touch the other day. I hated typing on both of those.
You can also download them straight from the browser too.
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I found certain sites that will let u download them, which ones do u use if u dont mind me asking??

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**do not get the evo**

DO NOT GET THE EVO (if you already have a Nexus One)
I just got the EVO and it just does not compare to the Nexus one.
I rarely every open up new threads, but I just don't want to see anyone jump ship based off the "specs".
I have several smart phones. I've tried to dethrone my nexus one with: HD2, EVO 4G, iPhone 3GS (I'm about to run out of money lol). And none of which give you the experience the Nexus One does.
Biggest Issues:
The LCD screen makes the colors look washed out (blacks seem like grays, and reds seem pinker) compared to the N1 with it's AMOLED
Sense slows the device down noticeably (and you can't turn sense off don't believe the hype)
The N1 makes the EVO seem clunky: The EVO gets slightly thicker/fatter as it get near the camera
Pixel Density! The EVO and the N1 has the same amount of pixels but because the N1 screen is smaller things end up being more crisp! especially noticeable with live Wall papers!
You can't use default Android messaging, nor can you use default Android Contacts. HTC contact (IMHO) is really ugly, opinions aside its freaking slow!
Track Ball! Man! I did not know how useful that thing was until now! lol. It (to me) is the most efficient solution for selecting text, without fumbling around with directional pads on the virtual keyboard, especially annoying if you have something like Swype (swype is awesome btw, there's now way I'm doing away with that).
I'm sorry guys I don't mean to rant and I DON'T regret my purchase. I'm going to try and load froyo on there and see if that fixes most the issues, but HTC SHOULD have given us a way to shut off Sense!
I'll admit I have to do some more testing, but the N1 has the lead right now. I'll try really hard to get some videos and pictures up.
I have not doubt this great community that I've been a part of for years will address most of these issues but's it's going to be a bumpy ride
If anyone has these two devices, let me know how you feel.
Thanks for reading this.
Turn sense off by going to settings. Applications. Find htc sense and force close it... I saw it on a video or something. Yes sense can be shut off.
It don't have anything I want I love my n1. The Evo don't beat it imo.
your'e wrong
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Turn sense off by going to settings. Applications. Find htc sebaceous and force close it... I saw it on a video or something. Yes sense can be shut off.
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Actually sir, you CAN'T.
With froyo (no sense) it will be closer to the N1, only things I like about the evo is the screen size (not so much anymore) and the camera.
A flagship is the lead ship in a fleet of vessels, a designation given on account of being either the largest, fastest, newest, most heavily armed or, for publicity purposes, the best known.
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...except "largest", "newest", and "best known"
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Actually sir, you CAN'T.
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Actually yes you can. Atleast here's proof.
http://www.gadgetsdna.com/turn-off-sense-ui-in-htc-evo-4g-run-stock-android-2-1/3142/
Its a good choice for someone who likes Sprint and I am glad that they finally got a highend superphone. It was long overdue for the poor people that Love Sprint service (its great in my area) but have had to suffer for crappy phones all these years.
That being said I can see ditching my Nexi and my Even More Plus plan to sign a contract for basically the same phone. Nexi takes the cake with its super fast updates.
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Turn sense off by going to settings. Applications. Find htc sense and force close it... I saw it on a video or something. Yes sense can be shut off.
It don't have anything I want I love my n1. The Evo don't beat it imo.
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I was under the same impression, but you can only turn off the "Sense Home" watch that video closely, look at the bar up-top (htc themed), not to mention I followed the instructions to the T and I tried to develop my own strategy. No luck
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I was under the same impression, but you can only turn off the "Sense Home" watch that video closely, look at the bar up-top (htc themed), not to mention I followed the instructions to the T and I tried to develop my own strategy. No luck
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Well ill take ya word on it since I don't have one. But that's what I saw. No biggie long live the nexus one.
Actually no you can't
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Actually yes you can. Atleast here's proof.
http://www.gadgetsdna.com/turn-off-sense-ui-in-htc-evo-4g-run-stock-android-2-1/3142/
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Read the text in the video you linked. I'll quote it: "Let's be clear, this is for the home screen only. Other parts of the phone still run sense"
4 seconds into the video that disclaimer was recently added (lower right had corner in blue box).
Long live the nexus one!
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Well ill take ya word on it since I don't have one. But that's what I saw. No biggie long live the nexus one.
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Long live the Nexus One!
I beg to differ
britoso said:
With froyo (no sense) it will be closer to the N1, only things I like about the evo is the screen size (not so much anymore) and the camera.
...except "largest", "newest", and "best known"
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I actually give the edge to the nexus one reason is: Number 1 and Number 4 in my post:
The LCD screen makes the colors look washed out (blacks seem like grays, and reds seem pinker) compared to the N1 with it's AMOLED
Pixel Density! The EVO and the N1 has the same amount of pixels but because the N1 screen is smaller things end up being more crisp! especially noticeable with live Wall papers!
I just hope someday that there will be a "mini usb to HDMI out" cord. I believe I said that right. I'd love to have the N1 appear on the tv screen. Anyway, I order my N1 this monday, I can't wait.
I had the desire before swapping + cash for a nexus one. Same thing there. each time u stopped the htc sense and cleared the defaults, the minute u press home, htc sense reloaded itself. The reason for not being able to stop sense is that htc actually removed the android launcher. all u have to do is install a launcher , go and stop the htc sense in settings-app-..... and then press home and select the launcher u installed.
or u can just install a launcher, and then install home switcher from market.
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Read the text in the video you linked. I'll quote it: "Let's be clear, this is for the home screen only. Other parts of the phone still run sense"
4 seconds into the video that disclaimer was recently added (lower right had corner in blue box).
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I didn't even see that ****. Yea long live the nexus. Lol
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HUH? LOL sorry im not up on slang or internet lingo
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HUH? LOL sorry im not up on slang or internet lingo
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http://www.acronymfinder.com/In-My-Honest-Opinion-(IMHO).html
Just got me Evo, and I have Nexus one still. Well, I agree with OP when it comes to washed out colors, etc. BUT, that complaint can only be made if you have Nexus, this phone still blows everything else out of the water, aside from Nexus. I really liked HD2, minus the WinMo, so EVO really caught my eye lol.
I am still on T-Mobile, got Evo because I can still return and get out of contract with Sprint within 30 days... T-Mobile + Nexus = **** in my area... I get great 3G speeds (1.5mb down/400up) which is higher than what Sprint gets me, but it's so inconsistent. Constant 3g timeouts, takes ages to load pages because of it. Constant need to reboot due to texts not going out (tried all radios). Calls not coming through, list goes on. Having a great phone with all these issues is a killer to me, specially when I'd like to have data with me since I listen to Pandora in my car.
Anyways, this rant is mostly about Tmobile and Nexus combo, so for me the switch was justifiable, but phone to phone, I would still give the crown to Nexus.
I looked at the Evo in Best Buy today, the colors on screen are definitely lacking, as well as the pixel issue. Everything seemed stretched to it's limit.
I'm sticking with my N1, I love it to much.
I just went to the sprint store and played with the evo and was much more impressed then I thought I would be with its build quality. It felt very solid and I love the smooth back of the device. But I now 100% hate sense UI without a doubt. The phone was slower and laggy and this phone is brand new so its not bogged down yet.
damn, maybe i can convince my family to stick to current provider (ATT); we are planning on switching to Sprint because we can get 2x minutes, everyone (4 lines) gets data for about the same amount we are paying at ATT (iphone data only)
coverage isn't a issue since i'm in the dc/metro area
EDIT: never was a fan of Sense UI; had installed Paul's sense rom on my N1 and had to chance to normal android launcher; to me, sense has too much going on and i don't need all of that stuff

Display Sensitivity: Nexus vs iPhone 3GS

I've been an iPhone user since the very first one and i enjoyed the experience a lot.
About 2 weeks ago I switched to Android in the face of the Nexus One. Fiddled with it a bit, rooted, CM, now froyo etc. I really really like the Android. It has got its flaws, but boy does it deliver.
The hardware though, i am not really sure about. iPhone 3GS feels a lot more responsive. I can type twice as fast. Touch screen on Nexus just plain sucks. OLED is really nice, but what good is it if i cant use it properly.
It really bugs me. iPhone just looks like an old phone compared to Nexus, but the screen responsiveness drives me nuts. Its ok, i CAN type, but the experience is just so much better on the older iPhone.
Obvious specs are amazing, but the devil is in the details. And in the details it doesnt look like Google partners can deliver solid hardware to match solid software.
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the nexus one a fantastic phone is already 6 months old, its no surprise that it has already been surpassed by its competition. and more then likely another android phone perhaps the new string of droids will utterly surpass the new iphone, and the cycle will continue. No piece of tech is top dog forever, and at the speed that android is moving im surprised the nexus one still beats the increadible and evo in most fields. when it comes down to it, all that matters is which you are happier with, if the only thing pulling you to the iphone is the touch screen you will have to weight it and see how much it means to you
I can only type as fast as my fingers will go, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I have the same feeling. The only thing bad about the nexus one is actually the screen. Everything else is great.
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welcome to technology
the nexus one a fantastic phone is already 6 months old, its no surprise that it has already been surpassed by its competition. and more then likely another android phone perhaps the new string of droids will utterly surpass the new iphone, and the cycle will continue. No piece of tech is top dog forever, and at the speed that android is moving im surprised the nexus one still beats the increadible and evo in most fields. when it comes down to it, all that matters is which you are happier with, if the only thing pulling you to the iphone is the touch screen you will have to weight it and see how much it means to you
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Absolutely But its just what reaver said.....
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I have the same feeling. The only thing bad about the nexus one is actually the screen. Everything else is great.
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You interact with the phone via display. And nexus is just sooooo freakin good, but got this majot flaw
Major Flaw?
So over the top.
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I can only type as fast as my fingers will go, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Use dictionary a lot? I type mostly in russian, and that doesnt have any custom dictionaries.
Take a gander at this: pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/iphone-keyboard-secrets/ (stick http whatever whatever in front)
Specifically this part:
* Although you don’t see it with your eyes, the sizes of the keys on the iPhone keyboard are changing all the time. That is, the software enlarges the “landing area” of certain keys, based on probability.
For example, supposed you type “tim.” Now, the iPhone knows that no word in the language begins timw or timr—and so, invisibly, it enlarges the “landing area” of the E key, which greatly diminishes your chances of making a typo on that last letter. Very cool.
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This is why the iphone keyboard is so "accurate" that people can type fast on it. For functionality like this on your N1 try downloading the app ThickButtons from the market.
But yes, I agree that the screen on the N1 can be more responsive Froyo made a lot of things better, but screen responsiveness was not one of them. I find myself tapping the same button twice more often and Swype registering a tap when it should be registering me holding down a letter. But I'm not worried since what I have is just a test version.
I've found that the auto-correct and prediction on the stock android keyboard much much better than the iPhone 3gs's so while the screen on my nexus may not be as responsive (I've not noticed) I type much faster on my N1.
Yeah, I would recommend trying a few different keyboards in the market. It isn't the screen responsiveness that is holding you back, it is the keyboard. I don't believe the stock keyboard even supports multitouch, while a few in the market do. So if you are typing fast, it can confuse the keyboard when both your fingers are touching.
What about Swype? I hear that's supposed to be a nice input method.
welcome to technology
the nexus one a fantastic phone is already 6 months old, its no surprise that it has already been surpassed by its competition.
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WTF are you talking about? He is comparing it to an iphone 3GS. That is almost a year old.
I switched from an iphone 3G which is nearly two years old and also noticed it was much better at detecting proper key presses and felt smoother when scrolling between home screens.
The home screen thing seems much improved with froyo and ADW Launcher, but the keyboard still seems crappy. I'm using the swype beta now and that is pretty good. It does suck to go back to a 2 year old phone and feel it is more responsive.
I will say though that things like launching apps and surfing the web are soooooo much better on my nexus one.
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WTF are you talking about? He is comparing it to an iphone 3GS. That is almost a year old.
I switched from an iphone 3G which is nearly two years old and also noticed it was much better at detecting proper key presses and felt smoother when scrolling between home screens.
The home screen thing seems much improved with froyo and ADW Launcher, but the keyboard still seems crappy. I'm using the swype beta now and that is pretty good. It does suck to go back to a 2 year old phone and feel it is more responsive.
I will say though that things like launching apps and surfing the web are soooooo much better on my nexus one.
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I was assuming that if he were to go back to apple it would have been a iphone 4, so i was retroactively comparing the iphone 4 to the nexus one, even though he is used to the 3gs
Yes.. the Synaptics ClearPad 2000 hardware is somewhat crappy. HTC was foolish to use it, but it works fine for my uses. Plus I would take my Android with FroYo on a phone that looks as sexy as my N1 anyday.
And in the future, HTC is going to use Synaptics Clearpad 3000 hardware, which according to reviews and videos, is AMAZING.
While we're nit-picking, I notice I get a bit of dust in the battery compartment - something I've never encountered with my girlfriend's iPhone 3G.
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While we're nit-picking, I notice I get a bit of dust in the battery compartment - something I've never encountered with my girlfriend's iPhone 3G.
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yeah i know and all these extra buttons on the phone make it easier to accidentally hit something, never had that problem on my old one button iphone 2g.
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yeah i know and all these extra buttons on the phone make it easier to accidentally hit something, never had that problem on my old one button iphone 2g.
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And I hear there is pretty significant battery drain if you are viewing Desktop versions of websites featuring a lot of Flash content while you're playing music off of the expandable SD card while also using Google Maps to navigate in between checking news and weather using another application....
Google really needs to get their act together.
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And I hear there is pretty significant battery drain if you are viewing Desktop versions of websites featuring a lot of Flash content while you're playing music off of the expandable SD card while also using Google Maps to navigate in between checking news and weather using another application....
Google really needs to get their act together.
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And these damn desktop screens. All these widgets and applications make is so damn cluttered it might as well be my closet.
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And these damn desktop screens. All these widgets and applications make is so damn cluttered it might as well be my closet.
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And why the hell would I want to be able to customize my background?
Life would be so much easier if I didn't have these options.
Jeez all these options make me want to sell the damn Nexus, i don't want choice, wich iphone shall i buy a 16Gb/32Gb/64Gb? Or shall i wait for the iPhone 4? Pff to much options at the Applecamp i think i stay, my brain hurts cause i think to much

iPhone 4- Played with it... No Thanks

So my father picked up the iPhone 4 yesterday, and we played with it for hours. We both had a 3g and 3gs in the past.
All I can say is, man am I glad I switched to the EVO! For starters, the screen on the iPhone 4 is too small to appreciate the glamorous "Retina" display.
I opened up the "iBook" application and looked at the sample book in there. How the heck can you read on that screen? The colors look sharp, but hardly any text fits on the page.
I think Apple shouldn't have wasted so much space on the bezel and bumped the screen up to 4 inches.
The next big caveat was not being able to visit flash sites on the iPhone 4. That really pissed off my dad, because I was flaunting the EVO loading the same pages in glorious flash. In the past, I didn't realize how important flash was. I looked pass the limitation because it was a holy Apple device. Not so much anymore... And I love how Android gives you the option to load flash on demand.
I actually much preferred the curvier shape of the previous iPhones. The iPhone 4's box shape irritated my hands after 15 minutes of use.
The final thing that got my dad riled up was the fact that video chat is only allowed between iphone 4's and limited strictly to wifi. I showed him fring and quik with all of their video chat glory over 3g, and that made him oh so jealous.
This might seem like a small thing, but the kickstand on the EVO is an important feature to me... I'm really glad HTC included it.
At the end of the night, my dad said he was going to write a letter to Apple asking them to put a bigger screen on the next iPhone, lol.
Overall, the new iPhone 4 is quite snappy and responsive, but that's all it is. It is true that the App Store has apps that still aren't available on the Android market (still waiting for Bloomberg), but they're coming... The retina display looks crisp, but that damn screen is too tiny to appreciate it. All the other features, such as the 5 megapixel camera and the front facing camera, are NOT revolutionary. They have been around for quite some time.
Apple makes incremental improvements but claims they're "Magical" and "Revolutionary". I bought that **** for a while, but it really is played out now.
I love my EVO, and I love Android. I'm free to do whatever I want with my phone...
Edit: How could I have forgotten... 4G Wimax baby!!! Suck on that fanboys
I'm really glad to hear that. I bet you can hold your evo how ever you want and not drop a call too lol.
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I'm really glad to hear that. I bet you can hold your evo how ever you want and not drop a call too lol.
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I know, right!
There's 2 other things that I feel the iPhone has over the EVO and that's the gyroscope and the iPhone's ability to record HD videos in H.264 and AAC audio compared to the EVO's limitation of MPEG4 video and 8kHz Narrowband AMR audio. But all of the reasons you mention are the same reasons I knew the EVO was my next phone. Still enjoying it and know I made the right decision.
Thanks for the review!!
I love my EVO and the Android OS.
Literally apples and oranges mate. Last i heard from Engadget, their iPhone 4 (review) lasted 30-something hours and they used the heck out of it. So not being able to view flash content does not matter to some folks. I've had an iPod Touch for the longest and never concerned about flash really when mobile browsing.
4G is nice in theory but how long does your battery last. The Evo barely lasts a whole day right now as it is.
Face time video chat is only wifi for now until end of year (At&T's crappy network might be to blame there as well) they said plus anyone can hook into the API and use it with their app. Skype already mentioned interest, so who knows if it might move from iPhone 4 - iPhone 4 as it is now to cross platform.
You make valid points but I've played with the Evo and not fully satisfied with the performance and definitely not with the battery life. I literally had to turn off everything useful just to eek out a work day's worth of juice.
I turn my 4g off unless I visit a heavy content site on the go. That's where it shines... when you need it for quick bursts of speed.
As far as battery life, here is something I absolutely do not comprehend...
Why in the world do you need your battery to last longer than 24 hours? Plug it in at night you lazy bastards, lol (to diffuse any tension)... My EVO is on 15% before I go to sleep, and that is with heavy use throughout the whole day. I suck a lot of data through my web browsing. I am definitely satisfied as it gets me through the day. Might there be a day when I go overboard and I have to plug in before night time? Yes. So what, it's not often.
I think the whole battery life lasting for days-on-end-thing is brainwash and a stroke of the ego.
Now if your EVO is not lasting all day, that is another story. You should check out some of the custom ROMS in the DEV section. They rock! I am using Avalaunch's EVOlution 8 Rev A, and it works wonders. I love froyo.
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Literally apples and oranges mate. Last i heard from Engadget, their iPhone 4 (review) lasted 30-something hours and they used the heck out of it. So not being able to view flash content does not matter to some folks. I've had an iPod Touch for the longest and never concerned about flash really when mobile browsing.
4G is nice in theory but how long does your battery last. The Evo barely lasts a whole day right now as it is.
Face time video chat is only wifi for now until end of year (At&T's crappy network might be to blame there as well) they said plus anyone can hook into the API and use it with their app. Skype already mentioned interest, so who knows if it might move from iPhone 4 - iPhone 4 as it is now to cross platform.
You make valid points but I've played with the Evo and not fully satisfied with the performance and definitely not with the battery life. I literally had to turn off everything useful just to eek out a work day's worth of juice.
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I was a iphone owner for the better part of 3 years, my father recently purchased the iphone as well. He's coming from the blackberry bold. I asked myself what is on the iphone 4 that I'm missing on my 3g iphone? I really don't see it. The devices out there elsewhere are fantastic, and without such restriction.
For my father though, I'm sure he appreciates it more.
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I stand by the OP. I has both a 3g and a 3gs and the iPhone4 was a contender until I used the Evo for a bit and realized how awesome having a nice 4.3" screen is. Apple just didn't want to go back to the drawling board and make their screen larger. While the Evo does have it's limitations I do love it. And with any luck most of the bugs will be worked out by ROM developers, where as everyone must wait for anything to be fixed by Apple, not to mention I would never get an iPhone if I could not jailbreak it... and that looks bleak with the new OTA updates ATT and Apple are going to be doing. Also another huge problem with the phone is ATT, they blow.
I also hear you can't multi-task like you can on the EVO. My friend said it has more color to the display than the EVO does. He said that's all it has on the EVO. Not to mention that ATT is ditching all their everything plans and capping the maximum you can download every month. No thank you Apple... I'll gladly stick with my EVO.
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.
I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.
You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
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I turn my 4g off unless I visit a heavy content site on the go. That's where it shines... when you need it for quick bursts of speed.
As far as battery life, here is something I absolutely do not comprehend...
Why in the world do you need your battery to last longer than 24 hours? Plug it in at night you lazy bastards, lol (to diffuse any tension)... My EVO is on 15% before I go to sleep, and that is with heavy use throughout the whole day. I suck a lot of data through my web browsing. I am definitely satisfied as it gets me through the day. Might there be a day when I go overboard and I have to plug in before night time? Yes. So what, it's not often.
I think the whole battery life lasting for days-on-end-thing is brainwash and a stroke of the ego.
Now if your EVO is not lasting all day, that is another story. You should check out some of the custom ROMS in the DEV section. They rock! I am using Avalaunch's EVOlution 8 Rev A, and it works wonders. I love froyo.
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Why would you not need or want your battery to last 24 hrs or more? Where is the downside to that? Your rationalization is sad and pathetic really. So we are lazy bastards because we don't live next to an AC outlet or carry one around on the go. So you're knocking the iPhone because of it's better battery life vs the Evo and that's supposed to be a plus for the Evo..odd.
Like i said, apples and oranges. Different pluses and minuses to both. I'll trade front camera for better battery life on Evo anyday. Let's see what the Galaxy (Pro) brings to the table...
Apple stuck with 3.5" because the iPhone is a mainstream targeted device. Over 50% of the population (female) have smaller hands & Android is still male dominated.
IMO Evo needs official 2.2 asap (further Android refinements-UI, security, battery, etc) & I still need to do my own comparisons but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUwutoAeGlI (iPhone 4 vs HTC EVO - Video Sample-iPhone 4 video+audio capture seem better unfortunately)
Vs. Reviews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzZ5kQWFyY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULv-0xcciFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZ5_V0C5HM
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Why would you not need or want your battery to last 24 hrs or more? Where is the downside to that? Your rationalization is sad and pathetic really. So we are lazy bastards because we don't live next to an AC outlet or carry one around on the go. So you're knocking the iPhone because of it's better battery life vs the Evo and that's supposed to be a plus for the Evo..odd.
Like i said, apples and oranges. Different pluses and minuses to both. I'll trade front camera for better battery life on Evo anyday. Let's see what the Galaxy (Pro) brings to the table...
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A few of my friends are reporting that their battery isn't lasting as long as Engadgets did. It might be that it needs a few cycle but it has used up 6% in around 2 hours just using it as an iPod.
The Evo's battery isn't that bad, people are able to use up to 15-25 hours on a full charge. You just have to be somewhat knowledgable to achieve that. For me I don't need more than 10 hours since I have a desk job where I can plug in my phone, a car charger, etc.
If I plan on going away I can throw down 10$ and get an extra battery. iPhone 4 you don't have that option.
Apple is superb at setting the standard pretty low but still be at the top of the game. It's quite sad.
roybotnik said:
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.
I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.
You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
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The trolling force is strong with this one, indeed.
engagedtosmile said:
Apple is superb at setting the standard pretty low but still be at the top of the game. It's quite sad.
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Well they excel at UI simplification (unfortunately at the expense of options for power users)..hardware immediately after refresh can be compelling as well if you can tolerate the walled garden+network..
roybotnik said:
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.
I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.
You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
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Yep nice comment history. Sounds like Apple has you handing them money hook, line, and sinker. I came from a 3GS(only one I ever had) and never want to get an iPhone again.
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Well they excel at UI simplification (unfortunately at the expense of options for power users)..hardware immediately after refresh can be compelling as well if you can tolerate the walled garden+network..
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I believe their UI is ugly, icons on icons. No customization whatsoever. I bedazzle my friends when I switch from Sense to ADW launcher etc.
But that's really all iPhones are now, new hardware. I used my friends iPhone 4 and asked him if it does anything new from his 3GS. It doesn't.
I also laughed when I was using it and he got a notification. Notification pop-ups are so ****ty. Pretty much put the phone in a frozen state until you acknowledge it. I love having a pull down menu for my notifications.
I messed with one yesterday too, and really liked it. The screen is much crisper than my Evo. Also, pictures in the browser looked WORLDS better (I tried the stock browser and Dolphin HD) on the iPhone. Text was also much clearer when you zoomed in (it gets fuzzy when zooming in on the Evo).
My Evo still has it's advantages, and the iPhone wasn't good enough for me to switch back, but it was certainly good enough for me to consider just upgrading my wife's iPhone to a new one.
Vandam500 said:
The trolling force is strong with this one, indeed.
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I agree 100% with this comment, I felt a disturbance, the trolling force is strong within him.
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Video Review: Nexus One Vs iPhone 4

The video is not mine
Personally I'm ok with the results although i dissagree with his opinion on the looks of the Nexus One vs the blocky iPhone 4.
It's basically 15 minutes of talking with about 50 seconds of demo. Interesting that he has a rooted Nexus One but hasn't used it enough to be able to reliably hit the soft keys.
David Horn said:
It's basically 15 minutes of talking with about 50 seconds of demo. Interesting that he has a rooted Nexus One but hasn't used it enough to be able to reliably hit the soft keys.
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he said he is an iphone user and is just borrowing the nexus, but what makes you think its rooted?
hehe 7 months after the Nexus One and still the Nexus One keeps up!
Blueman101 said:
he said he is an iphone user and is just borrowing the nexus, but what makes you think its rooted?
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Superuser is in the menu.
He should have turned off the live wallpaper, froyo is so much quicker than the iphone lol it seems he made the home screen look as ugly as possible, who actually uses that clock..
All my mac loving friends complained when the nexus one came out that it only beats the iphone 3gs in speed because it was made later, now they are speechless
i like how he says the phone has big capasitivie button issues, mine are perfect? i hit them correctly and work every single time without fault?
and please, laggy pinch to zoom? How about turning off plugin's always on and switch to on demand so both web pages he compared didnt have flash, Pinch to zoom is smooth, not so much when u have 5 flash objects playing
Exactly how does navigation end in a draw? Does iPhone have turn by turn navigation?
I suppose he meant UI navigation, but nice that he skipped a key feature of Nexus One during the comparison process.
This weekend I had dinner with someone who had the iphone 4. She tried to show me the face talk feature. Of course, it didn't work because there was no wi fi. I offered to let her tether off my lowly N1 to demo it.
She was not amused.
In this video, we compare a 7 month old phone to one just released.
I didn't watch the video. I don't care. All i know is my phone doesn't lose reception when i hold it and i have a real homescreen.
j.bruha said:
In this video, we compare a 7 month old phone to one just released.
I didn't watch the video. I don't care. All i know is my phone doesn't lose reception when i hold it and i have a real homescreen.
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When the Nexus one was released im pretty sure they compared it to the Iphone 3gs which at the time was about 7 months old.
Austin021296 said:
When the Nexus one was released im pretty sure they compared it to the Iphone 3gs which at the time was about 7 months old.
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yes but the Nexus One RAPED the 3GS, imo the iPhone 4 don't RAPE the Nexus One
shaunm1989 said:
i like how he says the phone has big capasitivie button issues, mine are perfect? i hit them correctly and work every single time without fault?
and please, laggy pinch to zoom? How about turning off plugin's always on and switch to on demand so both web pages he compared didnt have flash, Pinch to zoom is smooth, not so much when u have 5 flash objects playing
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The multitouch buttons on my Nexus One (and I'm pretty sure all of them judging by what I've read) are finicky. There seems to be an exact spot you need to hit but it's much higher than you would think. It also causes the problem of accidentally triggering a button when you're doing something like typing on the keyboard. Really poor design choice in my opinion. You may hit yours correctly every single time, but there are tons of people who don't and using physical buttons would have made it register the press 100% correctly every single time.
I did leave a post on youtube mentioning that the sluggish zooming is due to having flash plugins on the page. I do think that would be worth mentioning in a comparison like this, but the other side of the argument is you need to make a product just work. If there are cases where the phone performs crappy then most users aren't going to care why it's happening.
I am impressed that even with flush plugins enabled the nexus one still loaded pages slightly faster than the iPhone4. Would be interesting to see the same thing without flash enabled on the Nexus One.
Jon4lakers is an idiot.
You just have to realize the audience (didn't watch the video) - when iphone users compare and contrast they don't, and won't be messing around with settings and features and tweaks and whatnot. This is not how iphone users operate, so they are going to compare how the phone works and feels out of the box. What's a boon to us may be a difficulty for them. Don't get me wrong here, as I'm not equating them to idiots who don't know a good thing and can't even operate a settings menu - I think many of them just want a simplified experience in ernest. Some of them take the defense of it a little too far (for example, if it lacks it, it doesn't need it mentality).
The capacitive buttons on the N1 suck and that's just the truth, just as there are issues with damn near every apple hardware in batches or runs that they will just deny and quietly admit to when the cycle is long over.
He didnt even mentioned the notification system, witch android kicks the **** out of the IOS. Aside the front facing camera, I think there's not 1 single real point that the iPhone 4 really beats the N1, and ya we are talking of a brand new phone againts a 7 months older phone hehe.
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after playing with my friend's iphone over the weekend, i can say that the screen resolution and the cameras are a lot better than the nexus one. notifications wise, all android phones will rape the iphone in that aspect.
in terms of using the phone, i found that the iphone 4 is just that much smoother when browsing through menus and screen and using apps.
but i have to say i'm still on 2.1 since there are no OTA updates for the epe54b users.
i just might get the iphone but that would of course depends on how well 2.2 works out for me.
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Superuser is in the menu.
He should have turned off the live wallpaper, froyo is so much quicker than the iphone lol it seems he made the home screen look as ugly as possible, who actually uses that clock..
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I use the android clock and it looks cool on mine
shaunm1989 said:
i like how he says the phone has big capasitivie button issues, mine are perfect? i hit them correctly and work every single time without fault?
and please, laggy pinch to zoom? How about turning off plugin's always on and switch to on demand so both web pages he compared didnt have flash, Pinch to zoom is smooth, not so much when u have 5 flash objects playing
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This was exactly also how i thought. turn the flash off and see the zoom then you will see differents. this was the reason why i removed the flash, atleast till it works a little better.
arcticreaver said:
after playing with my friend's iphone over the weekend, i can say that the screen resolution and the cameras are a lot better than the nexus one. notifications wise, all android phones will rape the iphone in that aspect.
in terms of using the phone, i found that the iphone 4 is just that much smoother when browsing through menus and screen and using apps.
but i have to say i'm still on 2.1 since there are no OTA updates for the epe54b users.
i just might get the iphone but that would of course depends on how well 2.2 works out for me.
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there is a huge difference between 2.1 and 2.2 you will use it and love it
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yes but the Nexus One RAPED the 3GS, imo the iPhone 4 don't RAPE the Nexus One
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Very true. Give the iphone 4 a few more months and it will be behind every other phone the only thing it leads in now is the screen resolution.
I think since he was an 'iphone user' he was biased in a few rounds. Maybe I'm biased, but I think the Nexus was the clear winner.
I realize that to some, the front facing camera is a feature. To me it is a waste and if any phone I own had one, it would be covered with tape. I don't ever want a front facing camera.
To me, a front camera is actually a negative.
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yes but the Nexus One RAPED the 3GS, imo the iPhone 4 don't RAPE the Nexus One
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Who knows
Maybe Steve Jobs will release a $29 rubber band that not only dries glue real fast, change your skin's conductivity, plays flash and unlock your phone
i'm from Hong Kong..... and guess how much iPhone 4 is selling here
"early-bird" price (imported from US/UK as iPhone 4 is not yet available here) : $2400
You were like, huh????
YES, US DOLLARS DUDE
TWO THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED US DOLLAR
and everyone have to "just avoid holding it in that way"
how happy am i with my US529 Nexus One
It seemed like a pretty fair review coming from an iPhone user. You guys should be thankful to Apple. I would never own an Apple product(prefer linux), but would we even have Windows Phone 7 coming if the whole iEra didn't exist? Or would we still be stuck on 5.0 and beta Androids?

All Evo Shift 4G owners please read and respond

I am looking at purchasing a Shift 4G for my mom to upgrade her from her POS blackberry. I currently have the Big Brother to the Shift (the Supersonic), and absolutely love it, I won't give it up for anything, but my mom would be more suited to an iPhone, however sprint doesn't have the iPhone, and I get a 23% discount through my job.
Could several people respond about the Shift please:
1. Average battery life (moderate usage)
2. Size and Feel of the phone for day to day use
3. How does the keyboard feel for texting
4. How smooth does this redesigned Sense OS feel
5. How well does the camera operate
6. Does the screen size feel ok if you use the touchscreen instead of the slideout KB.
I would prefer non-rooted people to respond to these since I won't be rooting her phone. I want to hear all responses both good, and bad.
So you want us to do the research for you?
^ Shift Faced
Lol yup. Go to the store and play with one. Read the reviews online.
I have my phone rooted but nothing major done to it..even rooting it was easy under the right posts and take from here and there and waa laa it worked great, however; i love this phone..a lot..my first android was a G1 and second a Hero(CDMA) and now this..I have been trying to find something more like the G1..The hero felt like a downgrade and now this phone excites me about the new frontier of android. I OC'd my hero with no avail and to be out performed by phones like the droid and ah whatever..it seems to me this phone is the benchmark of performance and as for your questions:
1. I feel as though I get about 12 hours..when I use it to play games and stuff maybe 6-8
2. I enjoy the keyboard..both physical KB and onscreen..I use both cause I came from a hero with no physical kb but i really like both
3. both KB's work great on texting..i prefer the physical for when I have longer messages to write because its faster IMO, even so the virtual has no lag either.
4. Compared to the Sense UI from the Hero this phone is a HUGE improvement..when I first got my phone I was really impressed with the improvements to the UI because it seemed HTC logged on XDA and got all of our gripes then fixed them
5. I finally used the camera this weekend to take pictures for making invitations to my son's birthday party and I was impressed with the facial recognition. Its 5MP so its no Cannon or Sony but it still does a great job with facial recognition and all
6. As I said earlier I use both and the I have no problem with the screen size interfering with the kb..
The phone feels perfect in your hand. Almost like your holding something other than a phone. The sense UI is great, very smooth and fast. The camera also is great. The still picture quality could be improved if you want to be nit picky, however 720p recording is so amazing. The hardware keyboard is very nice and fast as well. I like it better than my blackberry tour. I would recommend this phone to anyone, anyplace, anytime.
I also have evo, and also was considering picking up a shift for my mom (she has a Samsung moment that is barely functional), I went into sprint store and was able to play with one just a little bit. Was not that impressed, sadly (and I'm a big HTC fan).
Mostly, I felt the HW keyboard was almost unusable (I kept mashing multiple buttons at the same time), yet the HW keyboard is what I thought was supposed to be the attraction to otherwise would-be evo buyers.
As for OP 'wanting others to do his research for him', that's not the case at all, he wants to hear from people who have had more than just a few moments with the shift. Give the guy a break.
***maybe I just can't type well- yet I have no issues typing on my evo ****
Sent from my virus infected and nuggified evo using XDA App
I ordered the Shift ready to exchange it for an Evo at the drop of a hat if I didn't like it, but after a while I'm really happy with this phone. It really doesn't get enough credit for how good it is.
The battery life is good enough that I can use it for moderate-heavy use of texting and internet and still have 1/4 of the battery left at the end of the day. I haven't ever used the 4G though, and I imagine that would change things up.
I came a from a Hero, and the Shift is slightly thicker and taller. It feels pretty sturdy, similar to a Droid. If you're looking for iPhone aesthetic you might be disappointed here.
Not a big fan of the keyboard, or keyboards in general really, so I can't really judge this. I find myself using the on-screen KB most of the time, and it works great. If you're curious, the sliding mechanism is the same used in the Droid and not like the G2's snap out hinge. Definitely prefer this, as the keyboard usually stays shut.
As it happens I don't really like Sense either, but it seems to operate the same as it did on the Hero (and probably the Evo.) It's fast and the widgets are cool, so if you like Sense then I guess you'll really dig it. Myself, I'll take Launcher Pro any day.
The camera is really excellent for a phone. Pictures are taken as fast as an iPhone and saved to your SD before you know it. Image quality isn't amazing and the flash function is sorta just there, but this is to be expected.
I'm really happy with this phone. While I would have preferred a Shift without a keyboard, I'm not at all bothered.
I don't have the time to give a lot of info, but I was really surprised last night.
My phone had been unplugged for almost 24 hours, with average (working most of the day) not heavy as normal usage, and i still had 40% battery left.
Coming from the Moment, this phone is so amazing. And even after seeing how my girlfriend's rooted Evo works, it's still pretty amazing.
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Lol yup. Go to the store and play with one. Read the reviews online.
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I have gone to the store and played with it, I have had my mom check it out as well, she said it seemed ok, I thought it felt like crap, the slider was stiff, the screen didnt rotate to adjust for the keyboard being kicked out. I had these issues with it on 3 different display models at 2 different stores (one sprint store, one best buy), Which is why I asked the new shift community to chime in, if it was left up to my impression at the store, i would say the phone is a piece of **** that shouldn't be sold to consumers. However I doubt that is the case, and I wanted feedback from people who already own one.
Khilbron said:
I am looking at purchasing a Shift 4G for my mom to upgrade her from her POS blackberry. I currently have the Big Brother to the Shift (the Supersonic), and absolutely love it, I won't give it up for anything, but my mom would be more suited to an iPhone, however sprint doesn't have the iPhone, and I get a 23% discount through my job.
Could several people respond about the Shift please:
1. Average battery life (moderate usage)
2. Size and Feel of the phone for day to day use
3. How does the keyboard feel for texting
4. How smooth does this redesigned Sense OS feel
5. How well does the camera operate
6. Does the screen size feel ok if you use the touchscreen instead of the slideout KB.
I would prefer non-rooted people to respond to these since I won't be rooting her phone. I want to hear all responses both good, and bad.
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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
Khilbron said:
I have gone to the store and played with it, I have had my mom check it out as well, she said it seemed ok, I thought it felt like crap, the slider was stiff, the screen didnt rotate to adjust for the keyboard being kicked out. I had these issues with it on 3 different display models at 2 different stores (one sprint store, one best buy), Which is why I asked the new shift community to chime in, if it was left up to my impression at the store, i would say the phone is a piece of **** that shouldn't be sold to consumers. However I doubt that is the case, and I wanted feedback from people who already own one.
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the slider is stiff in the store probably due to the protective plastic still being around the keyboard. Otherwise it's very nice (except mine, which is really loose).
The screen rotates just fine when the keyboard is opened. It takes a half-second, but it rotates on all screens, except perhaps the facebook app.
I would actually say this phone is similar build quality to the evo, if not better. It's also the smaller form, which many people like. Not to mention the fact that it has more potential to be OC'd and if the dev's can figure it out, the potential to be a major powerhouse.
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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
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*sarcasm* No of course I haven't *sarcasm*, however I don't think you have, the first 7 pages of this 11 page subforum are filled with people complaining about broken hinges, bad sliders, charging problems, ect... which is why I put this thread up, I want to see the positive feedback, I want a reason to buy this phone as a gift for my mother. Generally the praise is left out of the forums, and the help me this is Borked takes over. I Love HTC phones, and as I am sitting I don't have a good reason to select this phone for her or go el cheapo and get her an optimus or an intercept.
First off, I think the EVO is a solid device...one of the few on Sprint.
I really like the EVO Shift better. It has a 2nd generation processor in it so it's slightly faster than the regular EVO w/being on a stock rom. I have not done it but heard it's a beast running the modified over clocked kernel.
Keyboard does get some getting used to, and I find myself using the on-screen keyboard for short text messages and the hardware keyboard on longer emails. HTC is know for durability and extended life (compared to other *cough* Kyocera) so I'm not too worried about the keyboard being extended.
I love to hate Sense UI...there are some features that are amazing and other's that just...well, yack.
The volume key's are always getting in my way, but I just have to "de-program" myself and get used to it. I've only had the Shift for a couple days, so I'll let my body catch up.
Did I mention how fast this device is? That is...even running stock!
I haven't heard it mentioned but I think the battery cover is a nuisance and feels cheap. If I had to do a sliding scale scoring on this device, without any industry experience, I would give it a 8/10 - from a consumer review
Mom, grandma, aunt, female cousin, sister, daughter, niece...when will the madness end? Boys and men, start buying these phones for yourselves!
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Exactly what I was thinking. Do some research for yourself.
powered by the tears of a million orphaned alpacas...
I've said it before and I will say it again. A decent android phone that wont break the bank or make you pay the extra ten bucks a month and for someone that isn't a power user is the LG optimus.
Yeah going from a moment to a shift is, form factor wise, about the same so there wouldn't be much to adjust to operating differently besides no cursor button.
Knowing what I do now, if I couldn't afford a top tier phone and monthly bill, I'd go with the little LG. People are giving it very good ratings on sprint's site.
With the screen not going landscape, maybe in screen settings it was turned off. Plus people probably install all kinds of crap on the display phones it bogs it down and lags terribly.
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I've said it before and I will say it again. A decent android phone that wont break the bank or make you pay the extra ten bucks a month and for someone that isn't a power user is the LG optimus
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All new smartphone activations will have the $10 fee now, you might as well get a 4G phone.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
wardfan220 said:
All new smartphone activations will have the $10 fee now, you might as well get a 4G phone.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
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So regardless if the phone is 4g or not, they are gonna charge an extra ten bucks a month?
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So regardless if the phone is 4g or not, they are gonna charge an extra ten bucks a month?
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Yup. There is a post here about it somewhere. I'm in my phone so I don't have a link atm.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/sprint-data-plan-fees_n_810279.html
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