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Will people need keyboards on large screens with options like shapewriter/swype ?

Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber

Zuber said:
Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
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Typing faster and more confortable than in a real keyboard won´t be as easy to achieve as it seems, at least for today technology on KB on screen, we are far away...

need a real keyboard?
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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I've got one of these. I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to work with an HD.

Zuber said:
Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
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I must say that the videos are very impressive and at this moment, it seems to be a very good alternative to a physical keyboard. Looking at those videos I had the urge to test the softwares out but they are not available yet.
Not even betas.
Shapewriter has a free software download but it's on iTunes and it's only for iPhones...

Ruudfood said:
I've got one of these. I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to work with an HD.
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Well, i don't have neither the dinovo mini neither the touch hd . However, if you browse google you can find that various people have succeeded to connect PC bluetooth keyboards to windows mobile, so i think it should be possible.
http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/connection/forums/p/1045/3357.aspx

Zuber said:
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
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Already been done! There's a keyboard that's already been officially that allows you to "draw" from letter to letter. I remember reading about it maybe even 2 months ago. Its been posted in the general forum/subforum.

pzucchel said:
Well, i don't have neither the dinovo mini neither the touch hd . However, if you browse google you can find that various people have succeeded to connect PC bluetooth keyboards to windows mobile, so i think it should be possible.
http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/connection/forums/p/1045/3357.aspx
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Well in that case...
I have to say though that the keys on the DiNovo Mini are quite small even though the device itself is quite big (it's bigger than an HD) so not something you'd want to carry round with you or type large amounts of text with. Handy for occasional use, but then again if you're only using it occasionally you might as well stick with the various software keyboards that are available.

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Mercí
I was not aware of that product!
I´ll get one once I recieve my HD!!

Great demo video on swype
Found a good youtube video on swtpe that goes into a little more detail rather than the basic promo stuff.
It doesn't have the nice graphics, but the technology looks good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYvTSnXWbk
Zuber

I am glad you all liked the concept you have seen. Because unlike Swype and which is only an idea for now, and Shapewriter which isn't much of a use in the ihone, there is a company who also manifested this idea and it is available for the public allready. I found it in some forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am simply amazed.
It's called SlideIT, has free demos.
Here is a video for it if you like to see it in action first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ
Check it out then: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/SlideIT.php

Jim Me said:
I am glad you all liked the concept you have seen. Because unlike Swype and which is only an idea for now, and Shapewriter which isn't much of a use in the ihone, there is a company who also manifested this idea and it is available for the public allready. I found it in some forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am simply amazed.
It's called SlideIT, has free demos.
Here is a video for it if you like to see it in action first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ
Check it out then: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/SlideIT.php
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I just saw the youtube video.
I'm not sure I like the layout of the keyboard. what's up with that "pizza pie" format?
That's a bit weird.
The added graffiti recognition feature is pretty cool.

I owned an HTC Universal too, but to be honest, hardly use the keyboard.

HI, following your comments i started evaluating the demo version of slideIT for curiosity...simply amazing, i am tempted to buy it but i will wait for the HD to make sure it works OK on 800x480. I make much fewer errors than with normal soft keyboards, and in a few trials i realized i am equally fast...i couldn't believe it myself.
Indeed, the pen is mandatory...but so what?
...anybody which had tried swype? as far as i understand, the software doesn't exist yet...

pzucchel said:
HI, following your comments i started evaluating the demo version of slideIT for curiosity...simply amazing, i am tempted to buy it but i will wait for the HD to make sure it works OK on 800x480. I make much fewer errors than with normal soft keyboards, and in a few trials i realized i am equally fast...i couldn't believe it myself.
Indeed, the pen is mandatory...but so what?
...anybody which had tried swype? as far as i understand, the software doesn't exist yet...
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Nope, both shapewriter and swype don't exist for WM yet. If you own an iPhone you could get a free copy of shapewriter on iTunes.
I'm wondering what is swype waiting for. We've all seen the software being used on videos on youtube. So what's with the delay of the release?

meckah said:
Nope, both shapewriter and swype don't exist for WM yet. If you own an iPhone you could get a free copy of shapewriter on iTunes.
I'm wondering what is swype waiting for. We've all seen the software being used on videos on youtube. So what's with the delay of the release?
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Yes, I find it really frustrating. I've had a tablet pc for several months now and the only thing I find problematic is data input.
Shark was around years ago, but they pulled it to go commercial with ShapeWriter (you can't get hold of the old Shark beta software anymore).
Swype has obviously been around in beta for quite some time as well, but again not for the public. In the demos, I'm sure I've seen it running on windows mobile.
I took a quick look at slide it, but personally, I'm only interested in the slide input and SlideIt seams to have put too much effort into the "three input methods". I'm more interested in the realestate being dedicated to a single input method with large buttons.
Also I get the feeling that swype/shapewriter have better algorithms for "sloppy" input.
Finally, SlideIT is Windows Mobile only. I want a common input method on my tablet and my PDA.
I do wonder if both camps are holding back while thier legal teams sort out where they stand on patents etc.
Just my thoughts...
Zuber

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli

calli said:
Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli
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Hi Calli, the comment is very simple: nobody here has a touch HD yet!
...anybody who has tried the dinovo mini on a diamond to comment? i am sure it could be a good proxy...

Good point. Got carried away in anticipation!
Calli

[REQ] Swype's new keyboard technology

is there anyone knows where can i get this superb technology to install it to my touch pro as shown in the video?
http://cnettv.cnet.com/swype-new-keyboard-technology/9742-1_53-50003669.html

wow i wonder if it really works like that or its just for the interview
i wanted! lol

dude i had this keyboard before and it was so confusing.
i hated it so i uninstalled

bstylz911 said:
dude i had this keyboard before and it was so confusing.
i hated it so i uninstalled
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Mind share with us the download link, so we could test it out?

yes yes download link

SlideIT and www.shapewriter.com
I haven't tried SlideIT, but I have been using shapewriter for awhile. Only downside is that shapewriter isn't recognized when using a few 1 or 2 apps.

SlideIt
I tried the Shapewriter beta when it came out for WM. I went and bought Slideit as it is much better. It has a mini graffiti and it easily learns words and you can turn off the recognition mode for passwords and other spcecial needs. I am running this on a Kaiser and use the KB all the time and now I rarely use it. Not sure I would even worry about a qwerty kb again with this app.

OK I TAKE MY COMMENT ABOUT SHAPEWRITER BACK
i reinstalled it into my phone and WOW lol
its really easy to use.
i think everything should try it out

any free software available?

Awesome
I am the slowest typer/texter ever. So I just purchased the ShapeWriter and it is worth every penny.
I think this is the second best thing ever created, next to toilet paper.

It's nice, but unusable for me, because I usually write in Czech!

new version should support xT9 and I've found ShapeWriter with czech t9 from sunny soft -> PM

Yeah... English, but how the **** will they port it to other languages? Import whole dictionaries or what... lol.

kiay said:
is there anyone knows where can i get this superb technology to install it to my touch pro as shown in the video?
http://cnettv.cnet.com/swype-new-keyboard-technology/9742-1_53-50003669.html
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this software isnt out yet. if you go to their website you can read all about it.

I'm really interested to see how swype will work... I've signed up so I get notification when its out

I downloaded ShapeWriter and its working on my unlocked Fuze. I paid $19.99 for it.

[DISCUSS] Best software keyboard

Hey guys, i came from the Motorola Milestone, and the only thing i miss about it is the hardware keyboard, and its taking me a bit to get used to the software keyboard on the play.
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a better software keyboard from the market i could download?
Thanks

jlukek89 said:
Hey guys, i came from the Motorola Milestone, and the only thing i miss about it is the hardware keyboard, and its taking me a bit to get used to the software keyboard on the play.
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a better software keyboard from the market i could download?
Thanks
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Get in on the Swype beta.

i have always struggled with android keyboards so much so i hate texting now.
that's from about 5 android devices, the iphone one was fine but android sux for keyboard.

Swype my friend, Swype.

+1 for Swype.

I'm a little on the fence with swype.
I do a lot of swapping between that and swift.
I think after using swype for a day or two I miss typing the old fashioned way !
If you try swype & don't get on with it then give swift a try, it learns prediction really well & is probably fastest keyboard I've used for typing on Android.

Tried loads, always come back to Swype.
The only reservation is that it is in the longest Beta phase that I have ever experienced and so is not properly licensed. That means that you have to keep re-installing it when the temporary Beta license expires.

Swype all the way.
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DeadlyDazza said:
I'm a little on the fence with swype.
I do a lot of swapping between that and swift.
I think after using swype for a day or two I miss typing the old fashioned way !
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You can still type the old fashioned way with Swype as well.

Just a rant on keyboards

I've tried most of the roms on here and most of the ones I've tried the keyboards that come with them suck. Now I'm not a developer and this is not to blame any rom developers. I just don't understand why the only good keyboard that was ever made for android is the Gingerbread keyboard. Swype sucks in my opinion and so does the samsung and android keyboards. The only keyboard that I like for android is the gingerbread one. I just wish that more roms would come with that keyboard instead of me having to flash it. Anyway rant over. All keyboards suck except for the gingerbread one.

People have differing opinions, I will only use swype as it's the only one I can do without even looking at my phone AND I hate to peck... perhaps my southern accent messes with voice to text b/c that is not 100% for me either.
Have you tried the flexT9? Pretty amazing and was free recently on Amazon.
Also, I made a thread a long time ago on tweaks you could do to swype to make it a lot more accurate... and the beta is a LOT better than the one that came with the phone. Sounds like you have no interest in it though.

The gb keyboard is in the market for free.
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hitman818 said:
The gb keyboard is in the market for free.
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Exactly. I've had it ever since I've had my Vibrant and never had to "flash it" when flashing any custom rom. Titanium always handle it for me.

GB KB is the only kb in ZenDroid.
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mugenfiji0327 said:
I've tried most of the roms on here and most of the ones I've tried the keyboards that come with them suck. Now I'm not a developer and this is not targeting any rom developers. I just don't understand why the only good keyboard that was ever made for android is the Gingerbread keyboard. Swype sucks in my opinion and so does the samsung and android keyboards. The only keyboard that I like for android is the gingerbread one. I just wish that more roms would come with that keyboard instead of me having to flash it. Anyway rant over. All keyboards suck except for the gingerbread one.
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I would highly recommend "Perfect keyboard" to you, on the market. its based off the gingerbread keyboard, with added features, functions, and customization options.....i use swype, but perfect keyboard is the only keyboard i will use that doesnt have trace input.
PS - you cant blame the developers for the keyboards that are available to choose from. most of the good keyboards on the market are paid, and therefore would be considered warez if they were injected into ROMs. they can only choose from free/stock keyboards.
you certainly cant just expect them to develop a keyboard app from scratch, because that very well may be beyond the skill level of some/most/all of our ROM developers. Unless a ROM is being cooked from scratch (coded from the ground up), which none of our Vibrant ROMs are, they're all based off Samsung code; it would be much more difficult to build a keyboard app than compile a ROM. Hence it would be an unfair expectation for our devs.
PPS - trolls, dont misinterpret what i just said. i am fully aware that most of these developers have more skill then me....all im saying is that everyone's skill is limited, and we should be respectfully wary of unfair expectations.

TopShelf10 said:
I would highly recommend "Perfect keyboard" to you, on the market. its based off the gingerbread keyboard, with added features, functions, and customization options.....i use swype, but perfect keyboard is the only keyboard i will use that doesnt have trace input.
PS - you cant blame the developers for the keyboards that are available to choose from. most of the good keyboards on the market are paid, and therefore would be considered warez if they were injected into ROMs. they can only choose from free/stock keyboards.
you certainly cant just expect them to develop a keyboard app from scratch, because that very well may be beyond the skill level of some/most/all of our ROM developers. Unless a ROM is being cooked from scratch (coded from the ground up), which none of our Vibrant ROMs are, they're all based off Samsung code; it would be much more difficult to build a keyboard app than compile a ROM. Hence it would be an unfair expectation for our devs.
PPS - trolls, dont misinterpret what i just said. i am fully aware that most of these developers have more skill then me....all im saying is that everyone's skill is limited, and we should be respectfully wary of unfair expectations.
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No offense man but can you read ? I didn't say anything negative about any developers. So don't tell me that I can't blame the developers when I didn't blame them. You need to read the whole post and not just the first sentence when you're responding to something. Otherwise people might get upset like I am now. I also don't expect anything from the devs, they build roms for us and I greatly appreciate it. I've hit the thanks button on every rom I've downloaded. Seriously why did you even reply to this ? It was a rant on keyboards. I didn't want to have a discussion about it nor did I want some moron coming in here saying I said **** I didn't say.

^ haha, true, and got a good laugh out of me for the troll comment. Sad we have to preemptively strike.

Troll sheild, activate!
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mugenfiji0327 said:
I've tried most of the roms on here and most of the ones I've tried the keyboards that come with them suck. Now I'm not a developer and this is not to blame any rom developers. I just don't understand why the only good keyboard that was ever made for android is the Gingerbread keyboard. Swype sucks in my opinion and so does the samsung and android keyboards. The only keyboard that I like for android is the gingerbread one. I just wish that more roms would come with that keyboard instead of me having to flash it. Anyway rant over. All keyboards suck except for the gingerbread one.
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Have you tried SmartKeyboard Pro? I discovered it like 6 months or so ago and I haven't switched to anything since

birgertime said:
Have you tried SmartKeyboard Pro? I discovered it like 6 months or so ago and I haven't switched to anything since
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I love the tapping and customization on that! IF swype could have such good customization, it would honestly be perfect lol. I'm a swyper though. Tried everything else and keep going back to swype.

mugenfiji0327 said:
No offense man but can you read ? I didn't say anything negative about any developers. So don't tell me that I can't blame the developers when I didn't blame them. You need to read the whole post and not just the first sentence when you're responding to something. Otherwise people might get upset like I am now. I also don't expect anything from the devs, they build roms for us and I greatly appreciate it. I've hit the thanks button on every rom I've downloaded. Seriously why did you even reply to this ? It was a rant on keyboards. I didn't want to have a discussion about it nor did I want some moron coming in here saying I said **** I didn't say.
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Did you try perfect keyboard yet?
Sent from my pocket rocket!!

Will be trying out, Perfect Keyboard, and Smart Keyboard. I have been looking for good keyboards, swype is cool but just not for me, gb is ok. Samsungs sucks. swift key is ok. Flex t9 is actually pretty nice.
But thanks for the hints on Perfect and Smart always nice to have more options.

I have tried almost all of them and i find swiftkey to be the fastest and most accurate. After a while i hardly have to type much as it recognizes most words/sentences.

Gingerbread Keyboard, dude.
OR
If you dare, True Dvorak.
I'm trying to get used to that one because I will be turning my laptop's keyboard, too.

Alex9090 said:
I have tried almost all of them and i find swiftkey to be the fastest and most accurate. After a while i hardly have to type much as it recognizes most words/sentences.
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Have to agree here. I was really impressed after using it for a few weeks. I just hate pecking now.

Search HTC IME on these forums, easily better than gingerbread keyboard, skinnable and best of all FREE

MailenJokerbell said:
Gingerbread Keyboard, dude.
OR
If you dare, True Dvorak.
I'm trying to get used to that one because I will be turning my laptop's keyboard, too.
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Smart Keyboard Pro supports dvorak.
I use Swiftkey though, don't think any other keyboard comes close in ways of prediction.

uurrnn said:
Smart Keyboard Pro supports dvorak.
I use Swiftkey though, don't think any other keyboard comes close in ways of prediction.
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agree, I tired 8pen which was an interesting keyboard but not for me. Too much of a learning curve, although once you got used to it it would probably be superfast.

I used to love swype and told many of my friends about it, but I HATED how it registers every single damn word that you type in, even if you misspelled it...

siine keyboard most innovative keyboard yet

guys I found very innovative keyboard on market it has very cool new features (*^_^*)
try it yourself you will just love it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.siine.ime
watch video tutorial here: -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=g884InccVKY&nomobile=1

Has 0 options and very very hard to use... took me 5 minutes to write this....
I was born in the '90's... 1290's >

no better for normal text messages than your standard default android keyboard..
i think ill stick to swype.

For me personally, too, is not easy

I agree that using it is not easy at early but once we getting used to it then its awesome it has the unique features like time button & predefined keywords that other keyboard don't have

rchile said:
I agree that using it is not easy at early but once we getting used to it then its awesome it has the unique features like time button & predefined keywords that other keyboard don't have
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You only have English Language enough for me not to use it...

vlt96 said:
You only have English Language enough for me not to use it...
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I think It will come soon for your language also so just wait more

Swiftkey X is still the BEST in my opinion. You guys should try it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S50b3VjaHR5cGUuc3dpZnRrZXkucGhvbmUudHJpYWwiXQ..

it looks kewl just need more settings

i try this but i really love swype keyboard....

I had installed it but I could not adjust to it. siwftkeyX is the best

it comes with a pretty steep learning curve and it's still a nascent idea. But give it some time and a whole lot of research and it may rival the best(bar swype, that is). a collaboration between swype and siine would be a wet dream. (they can name it siipe or, yeah you guessed it swiine)
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