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Will people need keyboards on large screens with options like shapewriter/swype ?

Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber

Zuber said:
Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
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Typing faster and more confortable than in a real keyboard won´t be as easy to achieve as it seems, at least for today technology on KB on screen, we are far away...

need a real keyboard?
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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I've got one of these. I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to work with an HD.

Zuber said:
Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
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I must say that the videos are very impressive and at this moment, it seems to be a very good alternative to a physical keyboard. Looking at those videos I had the urge to test the softwares out but they are not available yet.
Not even betas.
Shapewriter has a free software download but it's on iTunes and it's only for iPhones...

Ruudfood said:
I've got one of these. I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to work with an HD.
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Well, i don't have neither the dinovo mini neither the touch hd . However, if you browse google you can find that various people have succeeded to connect PC bluetooth keyboards to windows mobile, so i think it should be possible.
http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/connection/forums/p/1045/3357.aspx

Zuber said:
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
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Already been done! There's a keyboard that's already been officially that allows you to "draw" from letter to letter. I remember reading about it maybe even 2 months ago. Its been posted in the general forum/subforum.

pzucchel said:
Well, i don't have neither the dinovo mini neither the touch hd . However, if you browse google you can find that various people have succeeded to connect PC bluetooth keyboards to windows mobile, so i think it should be possible.
http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/connection/forums/p/1045/3357.aspx
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Well in that case...
I have to say though that the keys on the DiNovo Mini are quite small even though the device itself is quite big (it's bigger than an HD) so not something you'd want to carry round with you or type large amounts of text with. Handy for occasional use, but then again if you're only using it occasionally you might as well stick with the various software keyboards that are available.

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Mercí
I was not aware of that product!
I´ll get one once I recieve my HD!!

Great demo video on swype
Found a good youtube video on swtpe that goes into a little more detail rather than the basic promo stuff.
It doesn't have the nice graphics, but the technology looks good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYvTSnXWbk
Zuber

I am glad you all liked the concept you have seen. Because unlike Swype and which is only an idea for now, and Shapewriter which isn't much of a use in the ihone, there is a company who also manifested this idea and it is available for the public allready. I found it in some forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am simply amazed.
It's called SlideIT, has free demos.
Here is a video for it if you like to see it in action first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ
Check it out then: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/SlideIT.php

Jim Me said:
I am glad you all liked the concept you have seen. Because unlike Swype and which is only an idea for now, and Shapewriter which isn't much of a use in the ihone, there is a company who also manifested this idea and it is available for the public allready. I found it in some forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am simply amazed.
It's called SlideIT, has free demos.
Here is a video for it if you like to see it in action first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ
Check it out then: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/SlideIT.php
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I just saw the youtube video.
I'm not sure I like the layout of the keyboard. what's up with that "pizza pie" format?
That's a bit weird.
The added graffiti recognition feature is pretty cool.

I owned an HTC Universal too, but to be honest, hardly use the keyboard.

HI, following your comments i started evaluating the demo version of slideIT for curiosity...simply amazing, i am tempted to buy it but i will wait for the HD to make sure it works OK on 800x480. I make much fewer errors than with normal soft keyboards, and in a few trials i realized i am equally fast...i couldn't believe it myself.
Indeed, the pen is mandatory...but so what?
...anybody which had tried swype? as far as i understand, the software doesn't exist yet...

pzucchel said:
HI, following your comments i started evaluating the demo version of slideIT for curiosity...simply amazing, i am tempted to buy it but i will wait for the HD to make sure it works OK on 800x480. I make much fewer errors than with normal soft keyboards, and in a few trials i realized i am equally fast...i couldn't believe it myself.
Indeed, the pen is mandatory...but so what?
...anybody which had tried swype? as far as i understand, the software doesn't exist yet...
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Nope, both shapewriter and swype don't exist for WM yet. If you own an iPhone you could get a free copy of shapewriter on iTunes.
I'm wondering what is swype waiting for. We've all seen the software being used on videos on youtube. So what's with the delay of the release?

meckah said:
Nope, both shapewriter and swype don't exist for WM yet. If you own an iPhone you could get a free copy of shapewriter on iTunes.
I'm wondering what is swype waiting for. We've all seen the software being used on videos on youtube. So what's with the delay of the release?
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Yes, I find it really frustrating. I've had a tablet pc for several months now and the only thing I find problematic is data input.
Shark was around years ago, but they pulled it to go commercial with ShapeWriter (you can't get hold of the old Shark beta software anymore).
Swype has obviously been around in beta for quite some time as well, but again not for the public. In the demos, I'm sure I've seen it running on windows mobile.
I took a quick look at slide it, but personally, I'm only interested in the slide input and SlideIt seams to have put too much effort into the "three input methods". I'm more interested in the realestate being dedicated to a single input method with large buttons.
Also I get the feeling that swype/shapewriter have better algorithms for "sloppy" input.
Finally, SlideIT is Windows Mobile only. I want a common input method on my tablet and my PDA.
I do wonder if both camps are holding back while thier legal teams sort out where they stand on patents etc.
Just my thoughts...
Zuber

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli

pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli

calli said:
Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli
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Hi Calli, the comment is very simple: nobody here has a touch HD yet!
...anybody who has tried the dinovo mini on a diamond to comment? i am sure it could be a good proxy...

Good point. Got carried away in anticipation!
Calli

Swype Keyboard

Anybody use it? I got a cab, and it's pretty awesome.
Swype Videos
I'm thinking it should be built into a rom, but don't know if i should post it for copyright reasons.
External Link

u know the rules , u told us about it so u gotta deliver

WOW!! This looks amazing. Looking through their site, it doesn't look as though they would mind, as they are trying to have it distributed as OEM and have a beta group in progress at the moment.

i also tried swype. but its no option for me. you need many practice i think.
the resisitve screen from tg01 is not so good for this prog. the screen faster gets dirty and will be scratched, if you use this for long time i think.
on other screens like the hd2 it would work better.

Ive been using this keyboard for a few months now and it works 100% perfectly on my TG01.
If you dont want your screen scratched you can either:
1) Buy a screen protector
2) Not use your phone at all
Im using a martin fields overlay plus screen protector, and any slight scratches that may have appeared are gone within 2 days. Those scratches arent from using swype though

I've had no problems with scratches either.. just don't wrap your fingers in sand paper and you should be fine

SlideIT
I personally use SlideIT as an alternative to Swipe, same functionality but a less cluttered keyboard. Would highly recommend.
Cheers,

is very good but it don't had romanian language

swype is my fav keyboard i've ever used, i really would check with the rights holder before ditributing it in a rom though...

I use it for about 1 month and meanwhile it's my favorite keyboard ever..
Accuracy is amazing and it looks so cool. Couldn't get enough of it.

6jaipur6 said:
is very good but it don't had romanian language
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nothing about romanian language??

6jaipur6 said:
nothing about romanian language??
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See post here, quoted below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619479
Livven said:
There is another keyboard named Dasur SlideIT which is similar to Swype and supports many languages (German too).
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Dodge0069 said:
See post here, quoted below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619479
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that means i must buy it?

Do some research. It took me about half an hour of googling to find the swype cab for free.

Try ShapeWriter. Same thing and its free in the market. Takes a little getting used to, but you can really fly with this thing
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Dodge0069 said:
Do some research. It took me about half an hour of googling to find the swype cab for free.
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I search on internet i find many cabs but nothing good to have romanian language i must have the complete program
Maybe you will post here

SwiftKey keyboard

Has anyone besides me tried this yet?
I'm not impressed by Swipe. This however is certainly a good keyboard. I'm not a huge fan of the looks, but it's not ugly. Thoughts?
More info..
Appbrain link

Zhypr said:
Has anyone besides me tried this yet?
I'm not impressed by Swipe. This however is certainly a good keyboard. I'm not a huge fan of the looks, but it's not ugly. Thoughts?
More info..
Appbrain link
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Currently giving this a go at the minute, not given Swype a go as I'm not keen on the concept of it. SwiftKey seems alright so far though.

I just tried it and it is quite good..although i gotta say that while all keyboards perform well when typing in english, when i type something in italian the differences in the prediction and correction algorithms really start to stand out...end i always end up rolling back to the HTC keyboard..i guess this may be because italian is far more complex and *****y than english and while HTC spent a lot of years perfecting its keyboard for all the localizations they support, others might have dedicated less time to the same task..it makes sense to me as the resources of a small software house are hardly comparable with those of a huge corporation

Can't find this on the market....! Anyone have the file?

I love SwiftKey. Been alpha testing it for a few months. Always end up with stock IME, but its brilliant. Can send an entire text by typing a single word then it'll predict words based on previous texts I've sent.
Fantastic bit of kit
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

GANJDROID said:
I love SwiftKey. Been alpha testing it for a few months. Always end up with stock IME, but its brilliant. Can send an entire text by typing a single word then it'll predict words based on previous texts I've sent.
Fantastic bit of kit
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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agreed, ive been testing it too, its amazing, if you are typing something relatively normal you can just type the first part of the first word and then jst hit the predictions to complete a whole sentence.
i use swype and smart keyboard pro as well, have permanetly comitted to anything yet though

Found out about it today, installed it, tried it but I still find swype nicer to use. Found it a hassle to keep looking out for the predictions.
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I really like the SwiftKey keyboard but only one language pack is not enough. Ist there a way to use a second?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

[Q] Swype on the Xoom?

Anyone hear if the Xoom will have Swype? Or if it doesn't use Swype, can it be installed?

Botero said:
Anyone hear if the Xoom will have Swype? Or if it doesn't use Swype, can it be installed?
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If I buy it on launch day (leaning towards I will, but holding out on whether the bootloader is locked or not) I will let you know. I'm in the Swype beta program, so I'll try the apk and see what I get.

I'm in the Beta as well. I doubt the version that runs on our phones would port over. I certainly hope they're working on a Honeycomb version.

$10 the XOOM won't ship with Swype (since it has a clean Honeycomb install). That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see:
a.) Somebody port Swype over to the XOOM.
b.) Swype create a tablet-friendly version of its keyboard that XOOM users will be able to install.
I'm none too excited about Swype on the XOOM, however - the Honeycomb keyboard looks great, and if the Galaxy Tab was any indication, Swype just wasn't meant for tablets (at least not in its current iteration - see option b).

Motorola and Google, I'm sure, will offer the Swype dev team some decent incentives to push for a Honeycomb friendly version.

I though about that but even if this doesn't have swype I think id still be fairly satisfied with the on screen keyboard. The gingerbread keyboard is awesome, I'm sure the honeycomb will be even better.

I think Swype will be going out of business on tablet platform with the new Swift Key keyboard that was launched yesterday at the Honeycomb event by Google. No way can typing with two thumbs be beaten using the current approach that Swype has.
That said, I absolutely totally love Swype on my Samsung Vibrant and wish they come up with something just as convenient for tablets...

I tried emailing Swype to see if they would respond, but I don't expect to hear back from them. Maybe they'll show up at MWC and wow us??

nope
No Swype

Swype is not working on xoom yet, hope it will be available soon.

sarashah said:
Swype is not working on xoom yet, hope it will be available soon.
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Tried the official beta myself and some not so official ones...no good

Doesn't swift key have a tablet version ready?

colourfuze said:
Doesn't swift key have a tablet version ready?
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I have swype on my galaxy tab. not as big a form factor as the xoom, but it works fine there. I am picking up a xoom today and will see if i can copy over the version i have on my gtab and get it to work.

I Got Swype Modified for G Tablet that works Great. Flawless for me. Maybe it works on other Tegra Tabs. It was in the apps Section in the G Tablet forums of XDA. you guys can try that

i downloaded slideIt and it seems to be working. i prefer swype, but until they get it working, this is better than nothing.
my observations so far:
1. it's a lot easier to type in portrait - the keyboard is just too wide in landscape.
2. i bought a stylus for the xoom, and i love how that works in general, but especially with the sywpe/slideit keyboards. text entry is so fast. added bonus - no fingerprints!

lanternca said:
i downloaded slideIt and it seems to be working. i prefer swype, but until they get it working, this is better than nothing.
my observations so far:
1. it's a lot easier to type in portrait - the keyboard is just too wide in landscape.
2. i bought a stylus for the xoom, and i love how that works in general, but especially with the sywpe/slideit keyboards. text entry is so fast. added bonus - no fingerprints!
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What stylus did you buy? How's the Xoom responding to it? I've been thinking of buying a stylus when I get a Xoom, but don't know which one I should get, haha. Thanks!

HorsexD said:
I Got Swype Modified for G Tablet that works Great. Flawless for me. Maybe it works on other Tegra Tabs. It was in the apps Section in the G Tablet forums of XDA. you guys can try that
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Doesn't work ty for the idea though.

I'm not sure about sype... But Swiftkey is supposed to have a swipe keyboard for Xoom by April I believe... I believe there is a YouTube video of them demo'ing the keyboard.

I'm also interested to hear what stylus you use. I had one with my ipad that was borderline terrible.
Typed this with SlideIT, works great.
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I bought it at best buy...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Targus+...504600&skuId=1151337&st=ipad stylus&cp=1&lp=2
As for the stylus, I think it works pretty well. for whatever reason, sometimes it doesn't recognize a soft key press, but otherwise, it works well. It works really well with slideIT in portrait mode. I think the soft rubbery tip really helps (as opposed to the some styluses (styli??) that have a harder tip.
Also, this is where I really appreciate android's double-tap to zoom in. works well in browser and maps so i dont have to use double fingers to zoom.

[DISCUSS] Best software keyboard

Hey guys, i came from the Motorola Milestone, and the only thing i miss about it is the hardware keyboard, and its taking me a bit to get used to the software keyboard on the play.
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a better software keyboard from the market i could download?
Thanks

jlukek89 said:
Hey guys, i came from the Motorola Milestone, and the only thing i miss about it is the hardware keyboard, and its taking me a bit to get used to the software keyboard on the play.
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a better software keyboard from the market i could download?
Thanks
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Get in on the Swype beta.

i have always struggled with android keyboards so much so i hate texting now.
that's from about 5 android devices, the iphone one was fine but android sux for keyboard.

Swype my friend, Swype.

+1 for Swype.

I'm a little on the fence with swype.
I do a lot of swapping between that and swift.
I think after using swype for a day or two I miss typing the old fashioned way !
If you try swype & don't get on with it then give swift a try, it learns prediction really well & is probably fastest keyboard I've used for typing on Android.

Tried loads, always come back to Swype.
The only reservation is that it is in the longest Beta phase that I have ever experienced and so is not properly licensed. That means that you have to keep re-installing it when the temporary Beta license expires.

Swype all the way.
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DeadlyDazza said:
I'm a little on the fence with swype.
I do a lot of swapping between that and swift.
I think after using swype for a day or two I miss typing the old fashioned way !
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You can still type the old fashioned way with Swype as well.