So I've been going back and forth about which Android phone is going pop my cherry and I've decided to allow myself to be deflowered by either the X or Fascinate. I'm in the midst of an ugly break-up with my Touch Pro (I know, I'm due) and it's about time to send that phone packing.
I've got a bit of trepidation about the X's size... It might be too big for me. I may want to ease myself into this, ya know. (in all seriousness I'm not sure that thing will fit into the shirt pocket on my uniform while I'm at work)
But I've heard rumors that the fascinate is dirty. From what I've seen it's got Bing's disease. Please tell me that someone here will have a prescription for that shortly after it hits the market.
it may be a option...
Maybe its just an option for search providers. This will also be my first, I will be moving up from a moddoded Omnia 910
I got a chance to see the X the other day when I went into the verizon store, they had it activated and made it a big deal I was being able to see it by taking me into the back room. I must say, its big.. but it should fit into a shirt pocket.. at least width wise lol. Looking at the specs for the Fascinate and everything I really dont find it all that special. That being said, I will be the owner of an X by the end of the week :O
The Galaxy S has already been rooted, not like it's hard to replace the launcher and everything and use your own search provider.
peperonikiller said:
I got a chance to see the X the other day when I went into the verizon store, they had it activated and made it a big deal I was being able to see it by taking me into the back room. I must say, its big.. but it should fit into a shirt pocket.. at least width wise lol. Looking at the specs for the Fascinate and everything I really dont find it all that special. That being said, I will be the owner of an X by the end of the week :O
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Wonder what you mean by not all that special because spec wise it stands at the top of the heap with the droidx. And if your speaking about the higher spec camera, that's been out done by the iPhone. Or the 3 mics. Remember this has a smaller but better screen. Better processor and gpu and its footprint is smaller. Don't get me going on the hardware locked bootloader the x has. All in all I will get this in a second screw Bing
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i cannot believe the people that are dancing around like little girls because there is a "bing" search widget.
Holy ****, seriously. Just delete the widget off the front screen and use a google widget..
This kind of stupidity makes me sad for the human race. To quote Fight Club, " A generation of men raised by women".
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i cannot believe the people that are dancing around like little girls because there is a "bing" search widget.
Holy ****, seriously. Just delete the widget off the front screen and use a google widget..
This kind of stupidity makes me sad for the human race. To quote Fight Club, " A generation of men raised by women".
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Thanks. I couldn't agree more. I've been toying with the idea of getting this phone and here and other forums have people complaining about Samsung's decision to go with Bing like we can't do anything about it. You don't even need root to get rid of Bing
I cant believe what i am see...HAS anyone on here actually used bing with the navigation before... don't get caught up in the name.. it work just as fine( In my opinion better the gmaps)
I've used Bing on the PC, never find a useful thing and has a cluttered results list. No way would I want it on my phone either. Handset makers and carriers should leave this choice in the hands of the end user.
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Anyone notice it's not going to be able to use Google Navigation either?
You're going to have to pay for VZ Navigation...check the training documents.
That's a huge WTF
Hope the documents are wrong too about the ram, they're listing it in the 300's instead of 512 like all the other Galaxy phones
Verizon is back to it's "lets see how bad we can nerf and screw up this phone" days
It will have 512mb ram. It will have gmapps and navigation. Its an android phone. I would b freaking stunned if it didn't have these. Ill b getting one either way. I'm got rid of my dinc and x for the captivate on att and can't wait til I get my fascinate. The CPU and GPU are the absolute best in a mobile device anywhere period. This is going to b a great device. Even my 5mp camera and camcorder on my captivate is WAY better than either of the 8mp shoooters on the x or dinc. Trust me. These will b the best overall phone on vzw. Better than the x or the dinc. Period. I've had every Droid phone vzw has to offer. The captivate blows them all away
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So, what will happen when you press the hardware search button? Will it be Bing? Will we have the option to change it to Google?
I will be rooting my phone and likely running a custom ROM once available (love you devs), but I'm not a fan of Bing.
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Anyone notice it's not going to be able to use Google Navigation either?
You're going to have to pay for VZ Navigation...check the training documents.
That's a huge WTF
Hope the documents are wrong too about the ram, they're listing it in the 300's instead of 512 like all the other Galaxy phones
Verizon is back to it's "lets see how bad we can nerf and screw up this phone" days
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youre wrong on all 3 points. You can use Google Maps/Nav, Specs are listed as 512MB Flash/384MB RAM with 2GB of Internal Memory, Verizon hasnt crippled any Android, its upto the manuf to come up with the hardware, the carrier can set limits on what the device does on their network, such as AT&T
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Anyone notice it's not going to be able to use Google Navigation either?
You're going to have to pay for VZ Navigation...check the training documents.
That's a huge WTF
Hope the documents are wrong too about the ram, they're listing it in the 300's instead of 512 like all the other Galaxy phones
Verizon is back to it's "lets see how bad we can nerf and screw up this phone" days
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sounds like all BS to me.
First off, 2.1 can only use 384mb of ram or so - so if what you say is true about hte documents, it is accurate until 2.2 is out to enable highmem for the full 512mb of ram
EVEN if they blocked google navigation (which makes NO sense, because it is available on Verizon's other android phones), you could still install it or root your phone and install it.
Because this phone is already rootable, nothing in this thread is relevant or anything to be afraid of.
You can change the background, change home launchers, change the search widgets, etc etc...
I think some of you don't understand the possible issues this might have.
Verizon took away my option to have Google, or any other search provider as my default search, when I had my blackberry. Woke up, and (bam!) all that was there was, was Bing. Google and all my other search providers was gone. You could still use Google by bookmarking it tho, but that was extra steps for no reason.
Verizon has shown by my example they can cripple a phone if they so choose.
Worst case scenario? (And I hope it isn't)
Unlike blackberry, Google is deeply integrated into Android. If Verizon broke Google integration, and replace it with Bing integration, then that would be worse then you think. That means even if you replace the widget with a Google one, (for example) it won't stop links in the browser from defaulting to Bing when you click on them. Another example would be Bing maps would open instead of Google maps. Another limitation would be Bing's voice search, which can't compare to Google's.
That search/magnifying glass button would only open Bing search, A nightmare.
If that's the case, I forsee a LOT of rooted phones... running Google.
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I think some of you don't understand the possible issues this might have.
Verizon took away my option to have Google, or any other search provider as my default search, when I had my blackberry. Woke up, and (bam!) all that was there was, was Bing. Google and all my other search providers was gone. You could still use Google by bookmarking it tho, but that was extra steps for no reason.
Verizon has shown by my example they can cripple a phone if they so choose.
Worst case scenario? (And I hope it isn't)
Unlike blackberry, Google is deeply integrated into Android. If Verizon broke Google integration, and replace it with Bing integration, then that would be worse then you think. That means even if you replace the widget with a Google one, (for example) it won't stop links in the browser from defaulting to Bing when you click on them. Another example would be Bing maps would open instead of Google maps. Another limitation would be Bing's voice search, which can't compare to Google's.
That search/magnifying glass button would only open Bing search, A nightmare.
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It's like you could see into the future Funny how many folks (e.g. see the quote below) torched people who said that Bing would be the only unrooted search option, yet here we are.
sprintrjm said:
i cannot believe the people that are dancing around like little girls because there is a "bing" search widget.
Holy ****, seriously. Just delete the widget off the front screen and use a google widget..
This kind of stupidity makes me sad for the human race. To quote Fight Club, " A generation of men raised by women".
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insufferable haters like you make me sad for the human race. Perhaps you should do some homework before you start spewing insults
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insufferable haters like you make me sad for the human race. Perhaps you should do some homework before you start spewing insults
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Its alright. If he had a brain, he'd realize that even replacing the widget doesn't replace the default search provider. Trolls these days.
Anyways.. Two words.. Verizon Sucks..
Love their network, hate their bloat.
I bet first thing that's gonna come out after root is a method to get rid of bing!
So... not that worried, but samsung/verizon lost lots of sales by choosing bing as the only search engine for fascinate.
I hope the money from microsoft is worth the lost sales.
All of the reviews and hands-on posts I have seen and read basically say the same thing. Bing cannot be removed. Everything is mapped back to Bing no matter what you do without rooting. On top of that Google Maps and Nav seem to crash when trying to launch. Just about all of the Google services have been mamed, broken, hidden or disabled. Root can't come soon enough to this phone, and hopefully root can fix it.
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I love my new HD2 its a very capable device, but why does my Iphone buddy constantly rub in my face all these amazing apps, I find myself constantly looking through google to find similar apps for this but mostly fail. Dont get me wrong I opted for this as opposed to the Iphone I just dont like to see a better phone suffer to this now OLD Iphone maybe its just early days but maybe one day we'll all be forced into the plague that is APPLE!
i know how you feel, my little neice over xmas kept showing me her iphone...
i got annoyed, but i was telling her my phone is better, faster.. lol
she then asked me if i could check the train times i said do it your self, an she said her phone cant view flash.. i was like well thats no good then is it mwahaa lol
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I love my new HD2 its a very capable device, but why does my Iphone buddy constantly rub in my face all these amazing apps, I find myself constantly looking through google to find similar apps for this but mostly fail. Dont get me wrong I opted for this as opposed to the Iphone I just dont like to see a better phone suffer to this now OLD Iphone maybe its just early days but maybe one day we'll all be forced into the plague that is APPLE!
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What sort of apps are you looking for?
The Apple App Store has many thousands of choices but for every good one there are probably 2 or 3 bad ones.
The long established WinMo app sites like PocketGear and Handango have pretty much anything you could need, but lack the easy download/installation that the MS and Apple App stores offer.
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I love my new HD2 its a very capable device, but why does my Iphone buddy constantly rub in my face all these amazing apps, I find myself constantly looking through google to find similar apps for this but mostly fail. Dont get me wrong I opted for this as opposed to the Iphone I just dont like to see a better phone suffer to this now OLD Iphone maybe its just early days but maybe one day we'll all be forced into the plague that is APPLE!
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lol, could it be that this time the Apple plague spreads to all of us??? The "lymphatic" Mac sales do seem to be increasing, who hasnt got an ipoc(ipod) and that stinky iphone is everywhere..
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who hasnt got an ipoc(ipod)
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I havent! Had the original nano and good though it was i sold it. I cant stand itunes!!! What was ever wrong with drag and drop and a proper file explorer?
"Do you want to sync your music library?" NOOO!!! I want to manage it myself. Stop telling me what to do!
just for that reason i bough me an iriver instead of ipod
I have a few friends who have the iphone. I quite like the iphone and what it has to offer.
I bought a HD2 though so you know where my preference is but the iphone is ok. I enjoy all technology.
To answer your question would I kill them (my friends that is). No.
WB
JUST PUT FpseCE 0.10 WITH WIPEOUT 2097 OR FFIX and show him
i'll have to to try fpsece looked a lol one app i was a little jealous of was the Nazi zombie game I was shown today, i'll be checking out handango Ive been using freewarepocketpc.net which is not bad at all.bit complicated but i'll give it a go
Makes me wonder why those apps are not finally put into the MS Store...does not matter to us - but for casual users - they will not want to search for aforementioned websites.
Another issue is the price. I am not willing to pay $20-$30 for PPC apps. The iPhone app store is mostly 99c. And what WM is missing are those LITTLE apps - restaurant finder, train schedule etc. They are so simple, yet not available. I mean on the iphone they are basically nothing more than simple webservices hidden in an app. I mean they query some website, which saves you going to the website and just opens an app. I think it would be great if we had more of that kind. If MS put more effort into filling the app store i think prices would go down, too, as more people would buy the apps, there would be no need to keep a high price to make decent profit.
HD apps
I choose the HD2 over the iphone because HD2 gives you much greater control over your phone and what you can do and install on it. The iphone is a good phone but overall the HD2 is much better. When it comes to applications there are more than enough for the HD2 and not gimmick apps
The HD2 can trash the iPhone until maybe v4 comes out so make the most of it.
Screen size, clarity, stronger gps chip and reception, stronger radio reception. Better sound quality. WM has a very decent app collection, add mobihand to the list.
I still love the iPhone though. Its clamped down but just works.
I mean...after everybody else gets the 2.1 update. Besides the obvious hardware differences...when we N1 owners are sitting next to a HERO/ERIS/maybe DROID with 2.1 - What can I do with my N1 that the HERO can't do?
Sure, I can do things faster...but I'm talking 'Amenities' if you will.
Like you said, the software is basically the same but since you want us to exclude the hardware differences... I don't know what else I can say about the N1 :S
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indeed, unlock
Also, Google is writing the software directly, so no need to wait for occasional updates from the manufacturer
You can use N1 Torch and they can't! =P
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You can use N1 Torch and they can't! =P
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LoL! Forget the N1 Torch...I'd rather show off that boot animation of yours! Amazing...that is simply unique.
Other than the hardware and OS, it just comes down to asthetics.
It's a very beautiful device. I have pulled it out to check email or text message and have had MANY people stop and ask me about it. They say it looks like an iPhone, only nicer.
Besides, I don't think it should ever be a competition. There will NEVER be ONE device that pleases EVERYONE and fits EVERYONEs wants and needs. It really comes down to personal preference...
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LoL! Forget the N1 Torch...I'd rather show off that boot animation of yours! Amazing...that is simply unique.
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Hahahaha thanks =P
Already mentioned but bears repeating. There's every reason to believe the nexus will be the first to receive updates. And the hardware would suggest that this phone can remain relevant for a good long while. Especially since, evidently, there's performance that has yet to be squeezed out of the nexus hardware. This phone is a bit choppy at times but hasn't reached its potential.
Yeah but the thing is they DON'T have 2.1, simple as that..and the speed is the phone...it makes it
Yea... I guess its just going to be the speed, and how quickly the updates come. Thats the only thing (that is going to be) unique about it - its hardware, not its software. As expected from Android, it is up to you to customize it.
I don't think lower spec 2.1 phones will be able to handle live wallpapers. Also we got that noise cancelling mic as well as speed.
What is unique is what the Nexus One is... it isn't a Hero or Eris or Whatever... it is THE GOOGLE PHONE! It will have 2.2(or whatever it will be numbered) first. It will have more updates more often. It is the standard bearer for the next year any android device will be judged against.
It can do things other's can't. And it does start with the hardware. Don't know why you want to exclude the biggest aspect that makes any phone unique(OS tend to be multi-phone, and the non-unique part, FYI). But this phone has unique OS/software because of its unique hardware! What other phone has 2.1 right now? None! What other phone will get Froyo before the N1? None!
The N1 is unique in many ways... best hardware, best OS, and best support. It is the Google Phone, and will be the standard for the next year, period, and that alone makes it the most unique phone on the market.
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What is unique is what the Nexus One is... it isn't a Hero or Eris or Whatever... it is THE GOOGLE PHONE! It will have 2.2(or whatever it will be numbered) first. It will have more updates more often. It is the standard bearer for the next year any android device will be judged against.
It can do things other's can't. And it does start with the hardware. Don't know why you want to exclude the biggest aspect that makes any phone unique(OS tend to be multi-phone, and the non-unique part, FYI). But this phone has unique OS/software because of its unique hardware! What other phone has 2.1 right now? None! What other phone will get Froyo before the N1? None!
The N1 is unique in many ways... best hardware, best OS, and best support. It is the Google Phone, and will be the standard for the next year, period, and that alone makes it the most unique phone on the market.
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Everyone is right. I guess I was more wanting to say...I can do this...and you can't. Guess that at some point in the OS upgrades...the other phones will be stuck due to their hardware limitations.
Cool. I was kinda getting nervous for a minute there! LOL. Really because I want to be the only one with the cool phone. Which apparently is at the moment wherever I go. But that may change when Verizon get its. Bummer. At least I have this site to keep mine unique!
Saying there is no difference between an Eris etc. except for hardware is silly. That's like saying there is no difference between a ferrari and a ford focus. They both go forwards, backwards, can turn left and right, have a radio, four wheels and windows. The performance/hardware (speed and screen) is what really matters.
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It's a very beautiful device. I have pulled it out to check email or text message and have had MANY people stop and ask me about it. They say it looks like an iPhone, only nicer.
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i get the same thing... EVERYONE wants to know what phone it is.. hell even when i have to call T-Mo and talk to a rep.. they ask what phone I'm using.. when i say the Nexus.. they go "oooh i want one " and ask 10 minutes of questions
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i get the same thing... EVERYONE wants to know what phone it is.. hell even when i have to call T-Mo and talk to a rep.. they ask what phone I'm using.. when i say the Nexus.. they go "oooh i want one " and ask 10 minutes of questions
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Sweet man... My kid turned 18 today, so we were at Red Robin (where he wanted to go for his B-Day dinner) and we had friends and family there. I pulled out the Nexus to take pictures and some video of the B-Day singing and as soon as the singing was done, my phone was handed around and everyone wanted one and wanted to know where to get it and all that.
The pictures it takes is fantastic (my wife was mad that it takes MUCH better pics than her iPhone 3G)!
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i get the same thing... EVERYONE wants to know what phone it is.. hell even when i have to call T-Mo and talk to a rep.. they ask what phone I'm using.. when i say the Nexus.. they go "oooh i want one " and ask 10 minutes of questions
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haha...that happened to me last week when i called to get my g1 replaced and it was the same day my nexus came in so i called on that and the rep asked me all kinds of questions about it
Yes the difference is... besides the fact that its a Google phone, its the best lookin fone right now. IMO. I wouldn't trade it for anything else.
So, I know this isn't about the HTC Hero or anything, but if it needs to be moved or deleted so be it. It is off topic. I just wanted to discuss the first Android phone on AT&T. I think it just launched over the weekend. So, specs are very, how should I put it, out-dated for being a newly released phone.
528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7201a(same speed as our HTC Hero which came out over a year ago. Well, the GSM one anyways.)
172mb of storage for apps.(I think we have 159)
3.1 inch screen. (We have 3.2, yes?)
And get this, it only has Android 1.5!
Talk about a Backflip that lands you on your head. But that's not bugs me the most about AT&T's first Android phone...Get this, apps outside the Android Market are blocked/disabled. Yes, that's right. Disabled. Talk about iPhone mindset. That's kinda against what Android is about.
What do you guys think? AT&T trying to ruin people's first Android experience so they will switch to the iPhone?
**** that phone...
they've also made Yahoo its default search engine and email provider afaik
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they've also made Yahoo its default search engine and email provider afaik
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truth. completely eliminates why i would want a GOOGLE os phone
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**** that phone...
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lol, thats funny
It's a POS... thank GOD I jumped to Sprint to get the Hero and didn't wait for whatever ATT was going to offer for Android
I work for at&t
Motorola was at are center showing off the phone and the funny part was the gentleman that was showcasing the phone didn't know anything other then what was on the promo sheet.... the phone is just like tue clic from t mobile
I didn't like it at all personally
Look at it this way. If they didn't "disable" the out side apps thing, they would then be competeing with them selves. Also with yahoo, ATT has a deal with Yahoo to use them as there primary search for Mobile phones.
They released a crumby phone so Apple couldn't get to pissy with them over competition. Welcome to corporate America. Same stuff goes on where I work on a smaller scale. We will sell 3rd party hardware that is crappier than our hardware. It makes us look real good and gives a reason to charge our premium.
I put disable in qoutes because an advanced user can push the APK's with ADB.
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I do think the track pad navigation on the back is a cool idea, though I think partially ripped off from Apple's plans for the next ICrap. It is supposed to have a touch sensitive back if the rumors are true. Yet another law suit for Apple to push out I'm sure.
It only gets 1.5? Ouch. It would not be to bad of a phone if it wasn't for that. Hopefully they can root the sucker and upgrade it
I doubt they are trying to ruin the "first time android" experience. I switched from the iPhone to the android, because well... I just prefer it a lot better.
The main thing I'm jealous about though that AT&T is going to get are the new shipments of Dell Mini 5's. That's going to be amazing.
i read they gimped that phone at&t
AT&T is ****ing retarded. If I were Google, I would pull all there phones (though it's not a very good marketing thing to do, I'd still do it). I can't believe AT&T would have the audacity to cripple an Android phone and then on top of that, decide to put Yahoo search in place of Google search on an Android device, what retards. Thank God I'm on Sprint and have a Hero and can look forward to the amazing Supersonic and what not.
Fail
AT&T = Fail
's great, I'm supposed to be selling the iPhone at work, and I'm like "why would I? with the advent of Android it's now obsolete!"
I am now in an all android household. I have the hero, one roommate has the mytouch on t-mobile and the other one just got the backflip as he has been desperate to upgrade on att. Feeling bad for him now. Did not know the phone would be so gimped
out of the box. Thought yahoo search was the only impairment it would have. Tried to get him to switch to Sprint but he wanted to stay loyal. This is the reward att gives him!
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I am now in an all android household. I have the hero, one roommate has the mytouch on t-mobile and the other one just got the backflip as he has been desperate to upgrade on att. Feeling bad for him now. Did not know the phone would be so gimped
out of the box. Thought yahoo search was the only impairment it would have. Tried to get him to switch to Sprint but he wanted to stay loyal. This is the reward att gives him!
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Awww, come on now, he could get the stunning Iphone. /Sarcasm
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iPhone. Because you're too stupid to do that.
Wont 95% of users care less that yahoo is the default search and that they can only install applications from the marketplace?
My wife is due for an upgrade and shes debating between the Sprint Palm Pre or the backflip on ATT and although ATT's @#!& actions are infuriating to hardcore users like us I think the average user with their average interest wont care a bit. It seems that the back flip will still be a better device than the iphone right?
It does feel like they did that to keep Apple happy. But again, why the backflip in specs? The phone barely beats our phone in memory....and our phones are "old" now. I think they should do it right. They could have made a lot of money with a better spec'ed phone. Every review says not to buy it. Why not sell the N1? Hmmm. I guess ATT likes their noses covered in a brown substance.
I would NEVER buy that. If I wanted an Android on AT&T I'd get a G1, root it, unlock it, and put an AT&T sim in it.
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I doubt they are trying to ruin the "first time android" experience. I switched from the iPhone to the android, because well... I just prefer it a lot better.
The main thing I'm jealous about though that AT&T is going to get are the new shipments of Dell Mini 5's. That's going to be amazing.
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I could definitely see this as a deliberate attempt to hurt android. AT&T has been making wheel barrels full of cash off the iPhone and have no reason to be interested in open technology like Android.
In 6 months AT&T will point to sales numbers and say "Android just isn't preforming, people don't want it" I think they want it to fail, that or they're totally incompetent morons.
PC Magazine: Back in January, I had this really interesting talk with Erick Tseng about the Nexus One, which was supposed to offer an alternative retail model by which Americans could pick their phone and technology and carrier independently. But that doesn't seem to have panned out.
Andy Rubin: Making unlocked phones available in the U.S. is still a possibility. Whether that's simply acquired only online or through traditional retail channels - that's what got canceled. So we have to decide how to make unlocked phones available in the U.S.
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Interesting... Looks like the Nexus line of unlocked phones still has quite a bit more life to it yet. Just the online store that's dead. Google's still thinking up a storm on this one. Hmmmm
Good news that, would certainly prefer another dev phone when the N1 has reach the end of it's useful life for me (not that I am expecting that to be anytime soon).
Oh yes, the best Rubi could do, a Nex2.
I'd just be happy if they continued to offer developer phones in the same way they're currently offering the N1.
I don't see how any of this implies there will be a nexus two. We have clearly been told there will be no nexus two. There was a lot more to the nexus one than being available unlocked.
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I don't see how any of this implies there will be a nexus two. We have clearly been told there will be no nexus two. There was a lot more to the nexus one than being available unlocked.
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Yes, there probably won't be a "Nexus Two" literally speaking. But the spirit of the Nexus One phone, meaning a 100% unlocked, carrier-untouched phone, is definitely not dead, as implied by Andy Rubin's statements.
In other words, a phone that everyone reading this forum would be interested in for the same reason they bought a Nexus One.
Nah, I been saying it all along. Google loses a lot of money when carriers do things like install bing. Its always been about pushing ads and thats not going to change in a world where people increasingly dont turn on a computer but rather use their smartphone for things like email and other traditional pc activites. I'm sure most of you have read Erics comments on the money at stake if each android phone only generates 10 dollars in ad revenues. For those that didnt the word billions is the one you need to use to describe it. Google has a very serious and compelling interest in breaking the carrier based subbed phone business model and the N1 was only a test run. Why not shoot for the moon and hopefully have a very profitable hardware business along with your core business? My expectation is that for the next go around there will be deals with best buy, radio shack and other large brick and morters to carry the N2 by any other name in stock. According to google the single largest reason people choose not to buy an N1 was not price but rather the combination of the price without the opportunity to fondle the device before plunking down their hard earned ching. Getting them in every best buy gaurantees that fondling can be had by those who seek it. This time expect an ad campaign of droid proportions.
No I dont have an uncle high in Google corporate this is my reading of the tea leaves, fearless prediction if you will.
You're overlooking the most secret and well-kept secret of the Nexus One.
Google installed worker elves inside of it. When they're ready to push out the Nexus Two, the worker elves will get instructions OTA on how to upgrade the hardware.
Those running custom ROMs will have to flash manually.
Great find there Paul
I read the interview before and was pissed that Andy said there would be no Gizmo integration into Google Voice but you obviously looked at the positive instead
Long live the spirit of the N1!
Hope Google turns the greedy bastards of the cell phone industry on their head eventually.
Please please please bring in plain unlocked Android phone with AWS support. Look at G2 and you'll understand why.
I don't know about a Nexus Two, but I never assumed that there would never be another Dev phone, there will always be a dev phone, whether it continues the Nexus line of awesomeness is another question.
I'll take one !
Bring it !
Nexus One sized (no 4.3" tablet)
Nexus One stylish
Super LCD or Super AMOLED WITHOUT Pentile
Vertical slider keyboard
Louder rear speaker
Latest mobile phone CPU and GPU
That's my list of what an N2 should be, anyway Vertical slider is personally my favorite type of keyboard, as you can use it one-handed easily.. I actually rarely used my HW keyboards on my two previous phones besides they were side-sliders and often I'm on the move.
Off topic, but I'm more eager to see an 'unlocked' google tv, or atleast a version for a DIY HTPC.
Also is Chrome OS dead? There can only be one!!
khaytsus said:
Nexus One sized (no 4.3" tablet)
Nexus One stylish
Super LCD or Super AMOLED WITHOUT Pentile
Vertical slider keyboard
Louder rear speaker
Latest mobile phone CPU and GPU
That's my list of what an N2 should be, anyway Vertical slider is personally my favorite type of keyboard, as you can use it one-handed easily.. I actually rarely used my HW keyboards on my two previous phones besides they were side-sliders and often I'm on the move.
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HW keyboards are completely useless to me now as I can input text much faster with Swype. When factoring in the added bulk a keyboard adds, I'm hoping the next gen Nexus DOESN'T have one.
jasrups said:
HW keyboards are completely useless to me now as I can input text much faster with Swype. When factoring in the added bulk a keyboard adds, I'm hoping the next gen Nexus DOESN'T have one.
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+1... hate added bulk of a hardware keyboard. I like my phone to be able to fit in my front pocket without people thinking I am getting an erection you know?
What makes you think anyone is looking? lol More on topic I used to love the full keyboard but frankly I do pretty well with swype and the tradeoff on bulk doesnt pencil out for me anymore. No reason they couldnt have two versions though.....
another vote for NO hardware keyboard....what a bad idea...ruins the form factor and it's not needed
I thought he meant, there will be other unlocked phones .... not necessarily from google or in the spirit of the nexus one.
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HW keyboards are completely useless to me now as I can input text much faster with Swype. When factoring in the added bulk a keyboard adds, I'm hoping the next gen Nexus DOESN'T have one.
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Actually, the Moto Droid I handled once only seemed to be a just a little thicker than my Nexus...
Does anyone find it ironic that nearly all HTC phones that are launching as part of the W7 campaign are essentially N1's loaded with w7.
All first gen snapdragons, they all share the N1 styling/materials.
Hopefully we can dual boot w7 due to the similarities. =D
I don't think they are but, I need to see a side by side. I thought most of the new w7 phones had better specs then the n1. But, of we have the best community of any phone out. That is why Google needs to make another dev phone it don't need to be called nexus two......
Check out engadget's front page, mozart,shobert,surround, trophy
Not terribly impressed with the W7 OS. From a UI standpoint, I could see the home screen getting very cluttered and I'm not sure if they have any sort of folder management system either to alleviate that. The multitouch zoom and kinetic scrolling in IE looked fluid but not having text reflow hurts. The Bing app was nice, as was the XBOX Live integration which is cool if you're into that but everything else was very meh. Didn't look awful like previous versions of WinMo but nothing that blew me away either. Still well behind Android and iOS even.
WP7 seems very solid in terms of how it is being handled. I love this quote:
http://twitter.com/edbott/statuses/27039322558
All Windows 7 phones will get updates at same time. Carriers don't get to block. (IOW, this ain't Android)
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Damn straight.
JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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That's weird I wonder why I even got heated in my post above
I mean hell... thats the whole reason why I got the Nexus One! to not have to deal with carrier games anymore
You meant to say that they cant control android but wield a mighty big stick with gapps didnt you? I tried cm without gapps, pretty much cuts the nuts right off the little android leaving it ineffectual.
in-ef-fec-tu-al adjective 1 Weak. 2 Without satisfactory or decisive effect. 3 Powerless, impotent. 4 Insufficent to produce the desired result.
MS does something right for once in the smartphone arena. Can't we just give credit when it's due?
Text reflow? As far as I know even in CM I have to double tap the browser page to get it to reflow.
The UI looks sweet as hell and not having to worry about carrier tied updates?
Priceless.
I really didn't like the W7 UI, no place for wallpapers and that it's a very negative thing for me
It had a very nice style IMO. I doubt I'll move from my N1, but it's definitely gonna be an interesting game here on out.
ap3604 said:
Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...
Paul22000 said:
Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...
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Verizon doesn't seem to care. This does work though it's how android took off. However, not having gapps is more detremental to Google than carriers. At this point in the game android can survive without native Google applications.
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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So basically you're justifying carriers holding off hardware updates so that people can dump their 6 month old phone for a new one just to get from 2.1 to 2.2?
That's BS and you know it.
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
Hardware is just another BS excuse. 2.2 runs fine on even the HTC Dream.
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Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
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Android sold more units in Q2 2010 than iOS, so surely its already real competition?
Is just me or is one of the biggest faults with android the various phone form factors that make it impossible to standardize any accessories? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be locked into a single phone running android but it seems the phone manufacturers could maybe design their phones so they have common ports for accessories. I guess we are lucky we at least got a desktop and car dock. Even cars are coming with iphone, ipad docks, you'll never see an android dock.
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Google, from a business perspective, doesn't need to control android.
its not its number one priority. yes it could try to twist the carrier's arms, and yes most would fold, but even if only 1 of the big 4 refuses to fold and stops carrying android devices google losses.
google doesnt make money off of android. it makes money off of ads. it just wants you to watch the ads through its portals. you might say they lose that when carriers choose bing over google, but really most of the ads (in apps, around the web) are controlled by google because google owns the online ad market. in fact, they will make money off of the spread of windows 7 phones as well. they entered the mobile business just to make sure neither apple nor microsoft could cut them out of the mobile internet user base and therefore limit the number of users viewing their ads.
btw we are in the nexus one section of xda, which by definition means you cant complain about waiting for updates and carrier and manufacturer crippling. (ha! see what i did there?)