So, I know this isn't about the HTC Hero or anything, but if it needs to be moved or deleted so be it. It is off topic. I just wanted to discuss the first Android phone on AT&T. I think it just launched over the weekend. So, specs are very, how should I put it, out-dated for being a newly released phone.
528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7201a(same speed as our HTC Hero which came out over a year ago. Well, the GSM one anyways.)
172mb of storage for apps.(I think we have 159)
3.1 inch screen. (We have 3.2, yes?)
And get this, it only has Android 1.5!
Talk about a Backflip that lands you on your head. But that's not bugs me the most about AT&T's first Android phone...Get this, apps outside the Android Market are blocked/disabled. Yes, that's right. Disabled. Talk about iPhone mindset. That's kinda against what Android is about.
What do you guys think? AT&T trying to ruin people's first Android experience so they will switch to the iPhone?
**** that phone...
they've also made Yahoo its default search engine and email provider afaik
coldsweat said:
they've also made Yahoo its default search engine and email provider afaik
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truth. completely eliminates why i would want a GOOGLE os phone
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**** that phone...
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lol, thats funny
It's a POS... thank GOD I jumped to Sprint to get the Hero and didn't wait for whatever ATT was going to offer for Android
I work for at&t
Motorola was at are center showing off the phone and the funny part was the gentleman that was showcasing the phone didn't know anything other then what was on the promo sheet.... the phone is just like tue clic from t mobile
I didn't like it at all personally
Look at it this way. If they didn't "disable" the out side apps thing, they would then be competeing with them selves. Also with yahoo, ATT has a deal with Yahoo to use them as there primary search for Mobile phones.
They released a crumby phone so Apple couldn't get to pissy with them over competition. Welcome to corporate America. Same stuff goes on where I work on a smaller scale. We will sell 3rd party hardware that is crappier than our hardware. It makes us look real good and gives a reason to charge our premium.
I put disable in qoutes because an advanced user can push the APK's with ADB.
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I do think the track pad navigation on the back is a cool idea, though I think partially ripped off from Apple's plans for the next ICrap. It is supposed to have a touch sensitive back if the rumors are true. Yet another law suit for Apple to push out I'm sure.
It only gets 1.5? Ouch. It would not be to bad of a phone if it wasn't for that. Hopefully they can root the sucker and upgrade it
I doubt they are trying to ruin the "first time android" experience. I switched from the iPhone to the android, because well... I just prefer it a lot better.
The main thing I'm jealous about though that AT&T is going to get are the new shipments of Dell Mini 5's. That's going to be amazing.
i read they gimped that phone at&t
AT&T is ****ing retarded. If I were Google, I would pull all there phones (though it's not a very good marketing thing to do, I'd still do it). I can't believe AT&T would have the audacity to cripple an Android phone and then on top of that, decide to put Yahoo search in place of Google search on an Android device, what retards. Thank God I'm on Sprint and have a Hero and can look forward to the amazing Supersonic and what not.
Fail
AT&T = Fail
's great, I'm supposed to be selling the iPhone at work, and I'm like "why would I? with the advent of Android it's now obsolete!"
I am now in an all android household. I have the hero, one roommate has the mytouch on t-mobile and the other one just got the backflip as he has been desperate to upgrade on att. Feeling bad for him now. Did not know the phone would be so gimped
out of the box. Thought yahoo search was the only impairment it would have. Tried to get him to switch to Sprint but he wanted to stay loyal. This is the reward att gives him!
JustinL42
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I am now in an all android household. I have the hero, one roommate has the mytouch on t-mobile and the other one just got the backflip as he has been desperate to upgrade on att. Feeling bad for him now. Did not know the phone would be so gimped
out of the box. Thought yahoo search was the only impairment it would have. Tried to get him to switch to Sprint but he wanted to stay loyal. This is the reward att gives him!
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Awww, come on now, he could get the stunning Iphone. /Sarcasm
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iPhone. Because you're too stupid to do that.
Wont 95% of users care less that yahoo is the default search and that they can only install applications from the marketplace?
My wife is due for an upgrade and shes debating between the Sprint Palm Pre or the backflip on ATT and although ATT's @#!& actions are infuriating to hardcore users like us I think the average user with their average interest wont care a bit. It seems that the back flip will still be a better device than the iphone right?
It does feel like they did that to keep Apple happy. But again, why the backflip in specs? The phone barely beats our phone in memory....and our phones are "old" now. I think they should do it right. They could have made a lot of money with a better spec'ed phone. Every review says not to buy it. Why not sell the N1? Hmmm. I guess ATT likes their noses covered in a brown substance.
I would NEVER buy that. If I wanted an Android on AT&T I'd get a G1, root it, unlock it, and put an AT&T sim in it.
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I doubt they are trying to ruin the "first time android" experience. I switched from the iPhone to the android, because well... I just prefer it a lot better.
The main thing I'm jealous about though that AT&T is going to get are the new shipments of Dell Mini 5's. That's going to be amazing.
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I could definitely see this as a deliberate attempt to hurt android. AT&T has been making wheel barrels full of cash off the iPhone and have no reason to be interested in open technology like Android.
In 6 months AT&T will point to sales numbers and say "Android just isn't preforming, people don't want it" I think they want it to fail, that or they're totally incompetent morons.
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This is ridiculous-
http://tinyurl.com/ybrluyb
http://tinyurl.com/ydawvno
http://tinyurl.com/ydjo355
http://tinyurl.com/yc2wr5n
Insane. I've owned an iPhone, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, T-Mobile Dash, G1 and a Behold 2 recently, and this is by far the best phone I've ever had. It is so snappy and seamless. What the hell is going on here? I can't be the only one who has been wowed by this device.
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This is ridiculous-
http://tinyurl.com/ybrluyb
http://tinyurl.com/ydawvno
http://tinyurl.com/ydjo355
http://tinyurl.com/yc2wr5n
Insane. I've owned an iPhone, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, T-Mobile Dash, G1 and a Behold 2 recently, and this is by far the best phone I've ever had. It is so snappy and seamless. What the hell is going on here? I can't be the only one who has been wowed by this device.
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I don't take most of that seriously. Judging by the comments to those articles, many feel and argue against the main points of what the author is saying (Many of them were funny to read also). This has not changed my opinion of still wanting a Nexus One.
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This is ridiculous-
http://tinyurl.com/ybrluyb
http://tinyurl.com/ydawvno
http://tinyurl.com/ydjo355
http://tinyurl.com/yc2wr5n
Insane. I've owned an iPhone, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, T-Mobile Dash, G1 and a Behold 2 recently, and this is by far the best phone I've ever had. It is so snappy and seamless. What the hell is going on here? I can't be the only one who has been wowed by this device.
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Well 2 of the 4 are by the same guy who is obviously biased. The other two are not too bad. Google getting sued over a book, doubtful successes in court. As far as customer support, that could be an issue, we'll see...
What happened is the Apple Kool-Aid. Put an Apple logo on the phone and they'll change their tune.
I can understand not liking the Nexus One for actual reasons (hardware keyboard)... but the reasons that many of these articles are stating is really, really reaching.
It doesn't matter what Apple does with the next iPhone because it'll be hailed as the greatest thing ever by the Apple...yadda, yadda, yadda....
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I don't take most of that seriously. Judging by the comments to those articles, many feel and argue against the main points of what the author is saying (Many of them were funny to read also). This has not changed my opinion of still wanting a Nexus One.
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I think on the whole, end users love the device, but the news organizations are dishing out a lot of hate. More so than usual. The iPhone is an old device now, the 3GS was only an incremental update. It's ok to like the iPhone, its a great phone, but this sort of blind kneejerk reaction to competition is insane. It only helps to make everything else better.
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What happened is the Apple Kool-Aid. Put an Apple logo on the phone and they'll change their tune.
I can understand not liking the Nexus One for actual reasons (hardware keyboard)... but the reasons that many of these articles are stating is really, really reaching.
It doesn't matter what Apple does with the next iPhone because it'll be hailed as the greatest thing ever by the Apple...yadda, yadda, yadda....
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Yeah, it's quite old. The single greatest thing Apple did was make the "smartphone" (at launch it wasn't terribly smart compared to my WinMo phones) mainstream, even when the cost was high. The phone, and its OS, are dated. Period. It's now making its mark with apps, and not on the virtues of the phone (hardware, OS) itself. There will likely be another mind-numbing incremental change that could have either been integrated earlier (like BT stereo/AVRCP and a damn 3G chip) or something that will alienate the existing userbase (even stronger hardware to run games that can't be run on older hardware). But it's OK, because most Apple users are used to pitching the "old" stuff and getting the newest, or even skipping a generation.
I have 2 G1s at the house, and I got the Nexus One because I felt like the G1 didn't fairly show what the Android OS can do. I have "TheOfficial..." ROM on both of them, and it finally started running really quickly with 2.4.2 on it. I feel like the N1 with be a huge leap forward once all the RAM is opened up (kernel update) and will be completely usable in 3 years. I can still use my G1 if I wanted to, and get virtually all the functionality of the Nexus One, but the N1 does it faster and with a bit more style.
Yeah Apples, "buy our products because they're 'cool'" is mind numbing to me. I love how everyone gets excited when the iPhone can do stuff that normal phones have been able to do for years, like picture messaging, oh man. I think I could do that a good year or 2 before the first iPhone even came out. Also funny are the new commercials showing someone "talking on the phone" while doing other tasks, except they have to put the call on hold, oops, and by then ATT's network probably already dropped the call. Oh well, it's other peoples money, not mine.
except they have to put the call on hold, oops,
Are you serious? Wow I was completely misguided, by those commercials and have never owning a iPhone - I believed you could open another app, or browse the internet, while on a call. Lying commercials >.>
They are against anything iphone.
They write articles at about the 3rd grade level, for 3rd graders that own iphones.
It's nothing new that pcworld only loves them some 4 year old technology and crippled phones :mrgreen:
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Yeah Apples, "buy our products because they're 'cool'" is mind numbing to me. I love how everyone gets excited when the iPhone can do stuff that normal phones have been able to do for years, like picture messaging, oh man.
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Innovations like MMS.... and cut and paste...and running things in the background!
You'd almost think that Apple was doing this on purpose.
Can't wait for the next "innovation": Being able to talk and browse the web at the same time. The same innovation T-Mobile and Verizon already have.
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Innovations like MMS.... and cut and paste...and running things in the background!
You'd almost think that Apple was doing this on purpose.
Can't wait for the next "innovation": Being able to talk and browse the web at the same time. The same innovation T-Mobile and Verizon already have.
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Never, ever doubt that Apple is doing this on purpose.
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except they have to put the call on hold, oops,
Are you serious? Wow I was completely misguided, by those commercials and have never owning a iPhone - I believed you could open another app, or browse the internet, while on a call. Lying commercials >.>
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Oh you cant browse 3g and talk on speak phone on ATT ?? I never had ATT so i don't know..I just got my Nexus. I hear bad things about Tmobile 3g service, but just had to have my Nex Fix.
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Oh you cant browse 3g and talk on speak phone on ATT ?? I never had ATT so i don't know..I just got my Nexus. I hear bad things about Tmobile 3g service, but just had to have my Nex Fix.
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It doesn't matter, you'll drop the call on ATT before you can surf and talk :mrgreen:
http://gizmodo.com/5535436/sprint-wont-sell-the-nexus-one
"When Sprint's Michelle Leff Mermelstein told us that the company wouldn't be selling the Nexus One because of the "upcoming availability of the award-winning Evo 4G," it didn't change much for your average user. The Evo, like the Incredible, looks at least as enticing as the Nexus One, and even shares a lot of the same hardware. Where it diverges, Sprint says it's a "more robust, full-featured device," which, well, it is."
Sprint, like Verizon did earlier this year, has decided to not sell the Nexus One. I could never see a reason to choose this over the awesomeness that will be the Evo (even with the wonky Android upgrade schedule), but I know some people were still waiting for it. Sort of makes sense though, they were only going to run the risk of cannibalizing each other. If I was Sprint, I'd want the Evo to get all the attention too.
(Just a note: I know this is the CDMA Hero community, not the Nexus One forum or anything, but this is the group I connect with and with our investment in Sprint, I thought it was worthy of our forum. I don't go anywhere else on XDA.)
Sorry Fixxer2008
Just because the Evo is on the same network doesn't mean that I, and I suspect many others, wouldn't still consider and possibly choose the N1. While the Evo does seem like it will be the phone on Sprint to have, it also may not fit everyone's tastes. Not to mention that if Google has the ability to upgrade the N1 immediately to the next available Android OS instead of us having to wait for HTC and Sprint to figure it out, well that right there would probably push many folks to buy it before the Evo. I think Sprint is dropping the ball here because more options are always better than less.
i think i just heard fixxers head explode
It does really sadden me that Sprint has chose to do this. I really wanted a Nexus One over an EVO 4G.
A few reason as to why:
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Vanilla Android is SO much quicker & has a better battery life opposed to Sense.
I like choices.
I don't 4G coverage & probably won't 4G coverage in my area for a long time.
This is Verizon and Sprint's big mistakes. They don't want to give up control over the devices, and Google doesn't want to give them control over this device.
Google is attempting to shake up the hardware sales revenue stream that the carriers have and they are trying to stomp it out.
Unfortunately, it is us, the customers who get hurt by it.
Pretty sad, because I thought Sprint really was turning things around, but it appears they are still the same ol' Sprint.
Confirmed the information here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6442453&postcount=385
This pisses me off to no end. I dont want a f*cking EVO, but now thats what I guess I'm gonna be stuck with.
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this pisses me off to no end. I dont want a f*cking evo, but now thats what i guess i'm gonna be stuck with.
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^^^^^
roflmao
schizopunk said:
This pisses me off to no end. I dont want a f*cking EVO, but now thats what I guess I'm gonna be stuck with.
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Vote with your dollar and go somewhere else. There ARE other carriers besides sprint.
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It does really sadden me that Sprint has chose to do this. I really wanted a Nexus One over an EVO 4G.
A few reason as to why:
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Vanilla Android is SO much quicker & has a better battery life opposed to Sense.
I like choices.
I don't 4G coverage & probably won't 4G coverage in my area for a long time.
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yeah im down right pissed but nothing i can do i guess. unless i switch to t-mobile. i guess ill hold out for the moment2 because i don't like the evo and i hate sense.
didn't hte nexus one have hardware issues, and that's why google canned it, and told everyone to get an incredible ?
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yeah im down right pissed but nothing i can do i guess. unless i switch to t-mobile. i guess ill hold out for the moment2 because i don't like the evo and i hate sense.
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I heard a rumor the Samsung galaxy s was coming to all 4 carriers sometime and that phone supposedly one ups even then evo in a few areas
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I heard a rumor the Samsung galaxy s was coming to all 4 carriers sometime and that phone supposedly one ups even then evo in a few areas
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i have a good offer on the moment right now but there is hardly any development for it so im not sure. i do have a feeling once the EVO comes out that will be sprints flagship android device of the year and the hero will be left behind. ill have to look up the galaxy, thanks.
I can see why people are mad and want a google phone that gets updated directly from google.
Alot of people think the evo is too big. The nexus has nice size and looks pretty sleek.
But the Evo does have much better specs, and does still get 3G.
Plus you can turn sense off, and if you root (when these guys figure out how)
You can remove the HTC lockscreen, and make and revert all the HTC apps back to stock, and the device will run faster.
But the nesux one on sprint for $99 would be a hell of a deal and would pull alot of customers who want a cool smartphone but don't need everything the EVO does.
Plus sprint better not go out of stock the first day, I want an evo
Well this is disappointing news
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I can see why people are mad and want a google phone that gets updated directly from google.
Alot of people think the evo is too big. The nexus has nice size and looks pretty sleek.
But the Evo does have much better specs, and does still get 3G.
Plus you can turn sense off, and if you root (when these guys figure out how)
You can remove the HTC lockscreen, and make and revert all the HTC apps back to stock, and the device will run faster.
But the nesux one on sprint for $99 would be a hell of a deal and would pull alot of customers who want a cool smartphone but don't need everything the EVO does.
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the evo will take awhile to root and most devs here prefer sense. "some" of us here realize that sense is buggy, takes up too much ram and is all about eye candy.
the nexus would of kicked ass if it was released.
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i have a good offer on the moment right now but there is hardly any development for it so im not sure. i do have a feeling once the EVO comes out that will be sprints flagship android device of the year and the hero will be left behind. ill have to look up the galaxy, thanks.
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Yea something about it's gpu producing polygons well above the n1 and even the iPhone I have no idea what that all means and plus it has a super amoled screen tht just sounds amazing
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Yea something about it's gpu producing polygons well above the n1 and even the iPhone I have no idea what that all means and plus it has a super amoled screen tht just sounds amazing
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the evo is a nice device but not exactly pocket friendly. plus alot of the features i won't even use.
The Nexus One is an amazing device, the Evo is also an amazing device. Sprint should carry both and just make everyone happy and put money in their big pockets!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/cdma-iphone-in-engineering-tests-may-arrive-in-january-says-jo/
so how many closet apple fan boys will be jumping on this deal? if i could run android on it, i might consider but verizons prices are crap. i hope sprint has a good line up later this fall and next year because this if anything will hurt where it counts.
Galaxy S for Sprint will be out by then.
iPhones are overrated.
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Galaxy S for Sprint will be out by then.
iPhones are overrated.
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their going to need something more than a crappy samsung phone to even compete with that. sorry i had to say it!
I don't think Sprint is going to work with Apple, beacause of the "Total Equipment Protecction", Apple Iphone doesn't have that...
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their going to need something more than a crappy samsung phone to even compete with that. sorry i had to say it!
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Yeah... Samsung's software is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.
The HTC Desire is the closest competitor to the iPhone...
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Yeah... Samsung's software is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.
The HTC Desire is the closest competitor to the iPhone...
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their gonna need something because by january the evo won't count as it will be as outdated as the hero. im not counting any wp7 garbage either because i talked to sprint and they aren't even sure if they will carry those phones. winmo is not a hot seller for them, android is.
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I don't think Sprint is going to work with Apple, beacause of the "Total Equipment Protecction", Apple Iphone doesn't have that...
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i wish these companies would allow the buyer to choose what service they want their phones on. i hope one day that will happen. example: id love to get the droid2 on sprint.
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their going to need something more than a crappy samsung phone to even compete with that. sorry i had to say it!
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Yeah... Samsung's software is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.
The HTC Desire is the closest competitor to the iPhone...
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Have you tried it out in a store? It's definitely different from Samsung's past attempts, in a good way. The Cortex processor is ridiculously fast, resulting in the smoothest Android experience I've seen to date.
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Yeah... Samsung's software is horrible. Horrible horrible horrible.
The HTC Desire is the closest competitor to the iPhone...
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The software is horrible, but the hardware is pretty good. The iPhone is popular because it's easy to learn and has more apps than any other OS. Oh, and guess what's in the iPhone. A Samsung processor.
No matter what Apple comes out with I will never get another one of their products. The thing that really sets Android from iOS and the iPhone is there is only 1 phone with iOS and there have been over 40 released android phones with atleast 12 more confirmed to be released and over 10 rumored phones.
I still believe that Android will out sale iPhone no matter where it goes.
Apple provides no freedom to its subscribers other than the reveled "App Store" that's about as varietal as it gets for them. No alternate phones to use, no alternate homescreen, GUI (unless jailbroken i suppose) just the same tried nd true iphone with a faeclift and some hardware changes from time to time some for the better, some for the worse lol. I love their PC's nd laptops but i will NEVER own an iphone.
If anyone here really has that big of a boner for the Iphone4 I'd be really suprised. It's not a bad phone but I just hate apple, and it doesn't do anything that the EVO or any other phone coming out can't do. I'd take an EVO over that any day. I'm android from here on out.
This video sums up this entire thread lol!!!
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html
Its still the same iPhone4 just a new radio. As the Android Phones continue to evolve it will still be what is out right now.
I work with a bunch of people who all have Iphone's and talk amongst each other and it kills me, I think it's safe to say I'm an android snob. One could say that I think I'm better for owning an android phone and having it rooted. I might argue at first, but honestly I can't help it. Apple to me is like owning a prius, and Android is like owning ****ing Optimus Prime.
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I work with a bunch of people who all have Iphone's and talk amongst each other and it kills me, I think it's safe to say I'm an android snob. One could say that I think I'm better for owning an android phone and having it rooted. I might argue at first, but honestly I can't help it. Apple to me is like owning a prius, and Android is like owning ****ing Optimus Prime.
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Haha optimus prime. I actually have him as my lockscreen just cause i feel that exact same way. I wouldn't be surprised if I woke up in the middle of the night to find my phone in the backyard having a meeting with all the other local android phones on how they are gonna get rid of the iphones.
But seriously, I too feel the same way, I'm a college student and everyone rich kid and their parents have an iphone and think that they are so cool. All i can think when i see them, is my phone is better than yours. And i have a hero! a phone that in the rapid pace phone world, is obsolete.
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Apple provides no freedom to its subscribers other than the reveled "App Store" that's about as varietal as it gets for them. No alternate phones to use, no alternate homescreen, GUI (unless jailbroken i suppose) just the same tried nd true iphone with a faeclift and some hardware changes from time to time some for the better, some for the worse lol. I love their PC's nd laptops but i will NEVER own an iphone.
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And yet, i agree with this. While i would never own an iphone willingly, i do have a macbook and i couldn't be happier with it. I can do anything i want on it and it never fails me. No crashes, no freezing, no viruses. Nothing. Its solid.
But at the same time, i don't carry it around with me everywhere so everyone can see my macbook. I don't go sit in coffee shops just to surf the internet. I chose a macbook not cause it's the cool thing to have, but because I believed it was the best choice i could make. So I'm not an apple hater, I just think that if I'm spending a considerable amount of money on a tech device, it better work to its complete and full potential.
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If anyone here really has that big of a boner for the Iphone4 I'd be really suprised. It's not a bad phone but I just hate apple, and it doesn't do anything that the EVO or any other phone coming out can't do. I'd take an EVO over that any day. I'm android from here on out.
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i used to hate android when it first came out, that's when winmo was the hot seller back in 2007-2008. yes it is the most popular os out there "right now" but im sure something will trump android in the near future. what im waiting to see is the next webos device.
If the iPhone was available for Sprint.... I would buy it. The only reason I didn't get one in the first place is because AT&T makes you pay out the ass every month. The iPhone 4 is the best phone on the market right now. The only downside to iPhone is that you can't customize it as well as Android, but... you can put Android on the iPhone! Again, the iPhone is the best phone you can buy right now.
The way it looks now, HTC, Motorola, and maybe even Samsung and LG are going to all be putting out phones that will be directly competing with not only the iPhone, but each other also. That's cool that Apple busts out hardware that puts all these companies in there place for a minute, but on the software sides of things, I'll take Android any day. The nonstop onslaught of Android phones coming out makes me think the Iphone4 won't be on top hardware wise for very long. They seem to be up against almost every phone manufacturer now.
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If the iPhone was available for Sprint.... I would buy it. The only reason I didn't get one in the first place is because AT&T makes you pay out the ass every month. The iPhone 4 is the best phone on the market right now. The only downside to iPhone is that you can't customize it as well as Android, but... you can put Android on the iPhone! Again, the iPhone is the best phone you can buy right now.
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i wouldn't buy one but id take one for free. verizon is pretty expensive too when it comes to it's plans.
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The iPhone 4 is the best phone on the market right now.
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Didn't think I've EVER see anyone say this on xda forums. But to each his own.
Still, !!
Just saw this on 9to5mac...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hUQVIqjkzD4
And while I don't agree with everything he has to say, I agree with some of his points - it's close to the same argument of windows vs. os x. I love my Evo, Android and Sense, but $58 bucks a month for tons more services with Sprint is a big factor in that love.
He had valid points, lol, yeah android still needs to get all thee phones pushing the same software, but its still ever changing , but when it happens, they will trump iphone
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!
I could care less what Steve B-jobs has to say.
So what he's saying is people are sheep. Everybody wants to have the exact same tool and nobody wants something different or the ability to create something different. It's not a good business move to let users have a brain.
Got it.
I'm very happy with my fragmented OS, besides i use roms from DEV's on this site, mainly due to they actually listen to what's going on with the rom's they develop and they figure out a fix for it asap, try seeing how long it takes for a Corp. DEV such as HTC or Google to listen to you and fix your issue. I'd much rather have my custom rom that Just Works versus having the exact same OS as "x" numbers who all have the same OS and still can't change their own battery without mailing their device in or without having to go to a corporate store.
Steve your still a Joke.
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So what he's saying is people are sheep.
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People sheeps..look at trends. Wait, trends are sheep people.
Everybody wants to have the exact same tool and nobody wants something different or the ability to create something different. It's not a good business move to let users have a brain.
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This is what business is about. You want users to be able to repeat your advertisements, or chants. Why do you think they create slogans? Off the top of your head i bet you can say the McDonalds slogan. Now Walmart. What the point is, is that you want the people to be able to follow your products. It is about business.
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I'm very happy with my fragmented OS, besides i use roms from DEV's on this site, mainly due to they actually listen to what's going on with the rom's they develop and they figure out a fix for it asap, try seeing how long it takes for a Corp. DEV such as HTC or Google to listen to you and fix your issue. I'd much rather have my custom rom that Just Works versus having the exact same OS as "x" numbers who all have the same OS and still can't change their own battery without mailing their device in or without having to go to a corporate store.
Steve your still a Joke.
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It's funny because I love Macs. I have an iMac, iPad, iPod nano and my wife has an iPod Touch. I've had every iPhone except for the iPhone 4. I love most Apple products. But switched to android when the Nexus One came back and haven't considered switching back to the iPhone since.
Android is a much more robust OS. You can do pretty much anything you want to do. And the average consumer doesn't know or care about fragmentation. They see it as, 'hey, I want a smaller phone (Incredible) or I want a larger screen (EVO, X).' And even then, all those devices have 2.2 on it so there is no fragmentation. Steve Jobs needs to get more informed. He's likely never even used Android and is just spewing irrelevant and incorrect statements.
TwitterDeck.
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Id rather not have all Android Devices pushing the same exact thing (ex: interface). I like how it is, because dev wise, it brings a lot more excitement. Every time I go from cyanogenmod to Sense, it feels as if I just got a new phone, I like having that feeling.
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He's likely never even used Android and is just spewing irrelevant and incorrect statements.
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He probably uses one every day.
DirtyShroomz said:
So what he's saying is people are sheep.
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Kind of like the people who buy Android tee shirts pissing on a Apple logo? Brand loyalty (sheep as you call them) exists everywhere and it's not limited to Apple. We/I can point out a bunch of in denial Android/EVO fanboys on just this forum to prove it.
Fragmentation is a problem. It's not about having a wide variety of phones (because that's a good thing); it's about the variety causing troubles for developers, even Google them selves. If I get a new current iPhone, it's pretty much guaranteed that it'll run iOS smoothly and as intended for about two years. It's the same deal with third party apps. On Android though, you can buy a new current phone that 1) doesn't run the latest version of Android and may never will, 2) doesn't run Android smoothly because it can't possibly be optimized for all hardware, 3) third party developers have a hard to make their apps compatible with the vast variety of hardware and versions of Android that are still in use.
You can go on the Android Market right now, click on almost any app, look at it's reviews and see hundreds of comments screaming about the app not working on their phone. The everyday consumer is stupid, they have one bad experience with Android and it'll be less likely that their next phone will be Android. And that's bad for business and the point Steve Jobs was trying to make.
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Id rather not have all Android Devices pushing the same exact thing (ex: interface). I like how it is, because dev wise, it brings a lot more excitement. Every time I go from cyanogenmod to Sense, it feels as if I just got a new phone, I like having that feeling.
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THIS!
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I used to own iphone 3G, and 4. iPhone 4 is indeed a very solid phone with very solid build quality. The downside of owning it was you have to deal with ATT. Apps like orb, and slingmobile got even worst because of retina display and the crap data limitation.
I think both Evo and iPhone 4 have great ups and owns.
I love iphone 4 for it's solid build, and does what's it's supposed to do with no need for tweaking. Down side of it is ATT, and no wifi tether (I didn't jailbreak it yet since there was no need for it for my wife), and data cap on certain apps. Oh and I have not experience the death grip issue, and let's not forget loads of free games that are actually good.
My monthly fee for 450 min, unlimited data, no text(google voice=profit!), no mms = about 70/month after all fees and taxes (EDIT** This is ATER 15% corp discount-I think I used to pay close to 90 w/o the discount).
Upside of Evo is great screen size, Sprint with Asurion insurance, easy to root and enable wifi tethering, great slingmobile quality, and the monthly price. The downside of Evo is crappy build quality (on my second Evo due to glass coming off, and even brand new one's glass can be pushed down)
Monthly fee for SERO prem = I'm assuming it's going to be around 65-70 bucks after insurance/taxes which includes unlimited texts/MMS.
achllles said:
I used to own iphone 3G, and 4. iPhone 4 is indeed a very solid phone with very solid build quality. The downside of owning it was you have to deal with ATT. Apps like orb, and slingmobile got even worst because of retina display and the crap data limitation.
I think both Evo and iPhone 4 have great ups and owns.
I love iphone 4 for it's solid build, and does what's it's supposed to do with no need for tweaking. Down side of it is ATT, and no wifi tether (I didn't jailbreak it yet since there was no need for it for my wife), and data cap on certain apps. Oh and I have not experience the death grip issue, and let's not forget loads of free games that are actually good.
My monthly fee for 450 min, unlimited data, no text(google voice=profit!), no mms = about 70/month after all fees and taxes.
Upside of Evo is great screen size, Sprint with Asurion insurance, easy to root and enable wifi tethering, great slingmobile quality, and the monthly price. The downside of Evo is crappy build quality (on my second Evo due to glass coming off, and even brand new one's glass can be pushed down)
Monthly fee for SERO prem = I'm assuming it's going to be around 65-70 bucks after insurance/taxes which includes unlimited texts/MMS.
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It will be interesting to see what happens when the iPhone finally launches on Verizon. And who knows, with the iPhone on Verizon, we might see it on Sprint sooner or later.
Oh I forgot to mention pretty important experience.
I sold iphone 3G (I'd say 8/10 condition) for 200 bucks on craigslist with in 2 hours of posting it.
Had tough time selling HTC Touch Pro 2 (about same condition) for 150 on craigslist. Finally got rid of it for 180 with bunch of extra stuff (extra bat, charger, bodyglove etc).
DirtyShroomz said:
So what he's saying is people are sheep. Everybody wants to have the exact same tool and nobody wants something different or the ability to create something different. It's not a good business move to let users have a brain.
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Problem is, it's correct.
The majority of phone, mp3, toaster buyers are sheep.
Folks like us who read forums such as this one; Those who understand the inner workings of their device and would like to have the ability to change it if desired; Those who enjoy digging into and learning about what they have....
We're the minority. The very, very small minority.
Apple got it right with devices that just work when you turn them on and they do exactly what people expect. Your average 16 year old girl could care less about rooting or jailbreaking. Can she send text messages, listen to music and read Facebook? Bam, the iPhone is good enough. Oh, there was an update to the iPhone software? A few minutes of data transfer and a reboot later and she can get back to what she wants to do with it.
For Android users, it's a question of which phone? Which UI does it come with? Which OS version does it have? You start throwing information like that to a general, everyday, I-just-want-it-to-work user and their eyes glaze over.
I still believe that Android will eventually overtake the iPhone, just by sheer number of devices and carriers, but Google really needs to rein back a bit and let the device manufacturers catch up. We just barely got Froyo rolled out and there's already talk of IceCream.
Fragmentation is a real problem. Not just to users, but developers. The Market is full of comments that say things like "not working on X device".
You don't see that in the iPhone app store.
It's issues like that that will continue to turn sheep users away.
All that proves is Steve Jobs is not above trolling, google is not fragmenting the market. Manufacturers are, google by no means in forced Samsung to use touchwiz, or HTC to use Sense.
I really have never run into a problem where apps wont run my phone due the "fragmentation"
Jobs summed up the point of Android vs Apple in his own words and didn't even realize it.
"We see tremendous value in having Apple rather than our users be the systems integrator."
I agree with jobs. People do want products that "just work" - period. Unless you're a developer, why would you want something that you have to put labor into to actually have it running correctly? However, besides having my products just work I like variety and apple does not provide that - but then again, like someone else said, that's only a few of us.
i partially agree with jobs and just saying that makes me about throw up not because i hate apple products etc. I just really dont like steve jobs.
I think a lot of people give the general public to much credit. honestly even if android had no fragmentation and was better in every aspect then iOS ... almost everyone knows about the iphone. It is already instilled into the average persons minds that the iphone is the best phone. It will take years and years for that to change under optimal conditions.
Most people dont know what fragmentation of an os is or why it can cause problems. Even though the Evo Vs Iphone video was a joke it was pretty accurate, though exaggerated slightly, the average consumer (i am sure some of you will take offense as did many who saw the video but its true). they dont care what else is out what anything else can do they just want an iphone because they have been fed that it is the best phone for a while now.
the iphone is not a bad piece of hard ware. just dont agree with job's practices or "vision" of what the users and developers should be allowed to do. If they allowed widgets and added a bit more customization options to iOS i think they could pull a good amount of the "casual" android users back to there side.
So.. yea I think ill be returning the Atrix tomorrow. The phone is amazing: great screen, great battery life, amazingly fast, but I just don't think it is really necessary to have right now.
I wasn't planning on using the webtop application so that whole idea was out; the phone is fast but when compares to my Nexus 1 and Captivate, only loads pages 1-3 seconds faster than the two.
I'm planning on just hollding onto my upgrade until something else comes out or they lower the price of fhe laptop dock or make it better.
Anyone else with the same feelings?
Props on signing off without a list of dumb reasons on why you are returning it. You feel like you don't need it right now and there's nothing wrong with that. Good luck with your new phone.
me want but me no really need....
man i was itching to buy this phone. ive been holding back my compulsion to buy this phone but its geting harder and harder.
just got to keep teling myself that its not a need but a want. got to stop trolling this atrix forum before i nd up buying it
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got to stop trolling this atrix forum before i nd up buying it
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I'm gonna end up doing the same... I want an Atrix bad, but I am curious when a true 4G (LTE) android phone comes out. May have to wait to jump until then.
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So.. yea I think ill be returning the Atrix tomorrow. The phone is amazing: great screen, great battery life, amazingly fast, but I just don't think it is really necessary to have right now.
I wasn't planning on using the webtop application so that whole idea was out; the phone is fast but when compares to my Nexus 1 and Captivate, only loads pages 1-3 seconds faster than the two.
I'm planning on just hollding onto my upgrade until something else comes out or they lower the price of fhe laptop dock or make it better.
Anyone else with the same feelings?
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I just got back from returning mine. I felt the same way I'll hold out on my upgrade until something else comes out. My unlocked vibrant is getting 4x faster upload speed than the atrix. Now thats unacceptable even if att is the reason why it's capped.
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I just got back from returning mine. I felt the same way I'll hold out on my upgrade until something else comes out. My unlocked vibrant is getting 4x faster upload speed than the atrix. Now thats unacceptable even if att is the reason why it's capped.
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Sailing in the same boat, leaning towards selling/returning
I'm probably returning mine within the next few days. It's a great phone but I'm just not feeling it. A lot of the apps that I use often are just more mature and have more features on iOS. It doesn't help that the bootloader is locked and I won't get to enjoy the Cyanogen ROM's I liked so much when I was using the Nexus One. Probably the final straw is also that I am not in a market that has the enhanced backhaul completed yet so my speeds are just as fast on my iPhone 4, which also natively supports HSUPA.
I'll be looking for another Android device as it gets closer to summer.
I added a line and purchased the Atrix at 199 for it..If I decided to return it, and use my captivate on that line, would that upgrade just stay on that line until i use it?
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I added a line and purchased the Atrix at 199 for it..If I decided to return it, and use my captivate on that line, would that upgrade just stay on that line until i use it?
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Yes. If you return within 30 days you get the upgrade back on that line.
it's great I'd you want to try ever phone and you can just keep switching over and over within a month.
You might have to pay a little for restocking or something (and the phone but that can be made up with return)
FLAC Vest said:
So.. yea I think ill be returning the Atrix tomorrow. The phone is amazing: great screen, great battery life, amazingly fast, but I just don't think it is really necessary to have right now.
I wasn't planning on using the webtop application so that whole idea was out; the phone is fast but when compares to my Nexus 1 and Captivate, only loads pages 1-3 seconds faster than the two.
I'm planning on just hollding onto my upgrade until something else comes out or they lower the price of fhe laptop dock or make it better.
Anyone else with the same feelings?
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I was thinking about returning not because I did not need it but because of the random reboots. But I got that fixed today by calling AT&T and have them fix my account. I have the captivate but this phone is beast, I no longer have to worry about widgets taken too much memory, application running that needs to be close, and phone not performing because of too many things running.
Now I will take a lock phone that can run all my apps with no issues then a phone I can customized but still having issues with performance and memory. So at this moment this is definitely a keeper until something better (which I think won't happen until the christmas holiday). Let's be real the next bing thing on the horizon is the SGS II, it is likely not coming to AT&T so we are going to end up paying big bucks for AT&T 3G compatible version imported to the US.
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Let's be real the next bing thing on the horizon is the SGS II, it is likely not coming to AT&T so we are going to end up paying big bucks for AT&T 3G compatible version imported to the US.
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A bit off-topic. Care to back up your guess? All the Galaxy S2 specs I've read so far is covered by AT&T: 850/900/1900/2100
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A bit off-topic. Care to back up your guess? All the Galaxy S2 specs I've read so far is covered by AT&T: 850/900/1900/2100
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Read again or call your resailers, there will be two version one with 850/1900 that will come after the Euro one. I don't think AT&T will be carrying it. I thought the same thing at first but I believe the specs from Samsung are misleading. Let's wait and see but I will not hold my breath.
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A bit off-topic. Care to back up your guess? All the Galaxy S2 specs I've read so far is covered by AT&T: 850/900/1900/2100
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Yea; why would they not release it here? It sold tons here in the US and although it might not go to every carrier, I'm confident it will go to ATT
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Yea; why would they not release it here? It sold tons here in the US and although it might not go to every carrier, I'm confident it will go to ATT
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I hope I am wrong because I would want it on AT&T too, but remember AT&T is getting the iPhone 5 sometime during the summer or fall. I won't bet my money on them getting another powerful phone that could potentially knock the iPhone 5. I think the Atrix was the answer to the iPhone 4 going to Verizon. It took AT&T a long time to get the Captivate in rotation.
The HD2 never made to AT&T although there was one with AT&T 3G
See I've had the Captivate and loved it and Android and was forced to get rid of it due to it's battery life. It would last like 6-7 hours not even joking. But this Atrix is a beast. I took it off the charger about 8:30 am and I have 30% remaining now and im a heavy user of everything. Streaming music using audio galaxy through my jawbone while connected to wi fi for hours at work. Battery life got me loving android again.
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I hope I am wrong because I would want it on AT&T too, but remember AT&T is getting the iPhone 5 sometime during the summer or fall. I won't bet my money on them getting another powerful phone that could potentially knock the iPhone 5. I think the Atrix was the answer to the iPhone 4 going to Verizon. It took AT&T a long time to get the Captivate in rotation.
The HD2 never made to AT&T although there was one with AT&T 3G
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AT&T drug their feet on the Captivate a little when they had exclusivity with Apple. Now that Verizon and possibly other carriers will have the iPhone 5, don't expect any such coddling of Apple by AT&T. The CEO of AT&T has been using a Captivate as his personal phone since 4Q10 and made sure the media knew he was toting it. He won't be helping Apple out at the expense of other devices any longer.
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AT&T drug their feet on the Captivate a little when they had exclusivity with Apple. Now that Verizon and possibly other carriers will have the iPhone 5, don't expect any such coddling of Apple by AT&T. The CEO of AT&T has been using a Captivate as his personal phone since 4Q10 and made sure the media knew he was toting it. He won't be helping Apple out at the expense of other devices any longer.
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I'd really like to believe that, but...it seems pretty obvious (to me anyway) that the Inspire and Atrix were gimped as to not knock iPhone as at&t's flagship. There's just no other explanation. iPhone is still at&t's top-seller.
I had been itching to buy the Atrix for over 5 months (when it was known as the Tegra 2 Olympus) but now, with the locked bootloader and the complete uselessness of the front camera and the fact it won't get Ice Cream till December'11, I'm thinking dual-core won't officially matter till Google releases a Nexus with it.
Who wants to develop for dual-core anyway when 95% of the phones on the market are single-core? If only stupid moto left the bootloader unsigned, I could have relied on XDA to deliver Ice Cream when it arrives in May/June.
Sad.
A lot people on these threads are dogging the Atrix because of missing features, things not working etc. Damn, can we just enjoy the device. The phone just came out a week or two ago, give it a chance. I had one of the Google I/O Evo's when they came out last year and it was issues with that too. They released the Evo to general public and those too had some issues that consisted of SD card problems, capped fps, battery issues, screen tearing and a lot more. But over time and with updates, the issues that was at hand with the Evo, got fixed and now the Evo is one of the top of the line phones.
I can understand if you just don't like the Atrix but to have the phone a day or two and say oh I'm returning it because it has lag or some other stupid reason..is ridiculous. Most of the time you have lag, it's because of a rogue app or setting. And when talking about apps, one must also remember that this is one of the first if not the first Tegra 2 handset on the market. With that said a lot of apps may not be compatible with the the Atrix...just yet. I know I ran into this issue when I bought the Nexus S. There was a lot of apps in the Market that wasn't compatible with 2.3, one specifically the camera app Vignette. I actually emailed the dev behind the app and they emailed me a different version of the app that worked fine.
I haven't haven't had a iP4 since last year when I sold mine. But for the people coming from the iP4 to Android,specifically the Atrix and is whining about the bootloader being locked, isn't the iPhone locked down as well?
All I'm saying is I'm sure that there will be some updates coming out for the Atrix that will fix some of these issues that everybody is complaining about.
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A lot people on these threads are dogging the Atrix because of missing features, things not working etc. Damn, can we just enjoy the device. The phone just came out a week or two ago, give it a chance. I had one of the Google I/O Evo's when they came out last year and it was issues with that too. They released the Evo to general public and those too had some issues that consisted of SD card problems, capped fps, battery issues, screen tearing and a lot more. But over time and with updates, the issues that was at hand with the Evo, got fixed and now the Evo is one of the top of the line phones.
I can understand if you just don't like the Atrix but to have the phone a day or two and say oh I'm returning it because it has lag or some other stupid reason..is ridiculous. Most of the time you have lag, it's because of a rogue app or setting. And when talking about apps, one must also remember that this is one of the first if not the first Tegra 2 handset on the market. With that said a lot of apps may not be compatible with the the Atrix...just yet. I know I ran into this issue when I bought the Nexus S. There was a lot of apps in the Market that wasn't compatible with 2.3, one specifically the camera app Vignette. I actually emailed the dev behind the app and they emailed me a different version of the app that worked fine.
I haven't haven't had a iP4 since last year when I sold mine. But for the people coming from the iP4 to Android,specifically the Atrix and is whining about the bootloader being locked, isn't the iPhone locked down as well?
All I'm saying is I'm sure that there will be some updates coming out for the Atrix that will fix some of these issues that everybody is complaining about.
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I've been using the Iphones since 2008 and I think some of the issues that people that are coming from an Iphone are having is that it just works out of the box. I was use to a device just working and with the atrix there is a lot of setup time. The contacts are cumbersome and it pulls them from everywhere without giving you the options clearly to select where you want the contacts to come from. The android market is not as mature as the app store. If I get an app from the app store, I know it will work just fine with my phone, that's not always the case with android.
Despite all the hate people have for apple, their closed app store prevents a lot of things from happening. Their device works just right out of the box and a lot of end-user's prefer that and even some of us techies.
I work with PC's all day long and to be honest the last thing I want to do is work on anything computer related when I get home. When I got the atrix, it felt like I was working. It took some time to sort out all of the issues and I still have some that linger on, yet whenever I got an iphone it just worked. I plugged it in and it synced everything and it just worked. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the iphone is the best phone out there. I personally think iOS has grown stale and prefer the android notifications over apples, and let's not get into multitasking... I know android is better at that. The problem is that you have too much fragmentation and that doesn't sit well with most people.
Now you mentioned updates and that's another issue that android has... google doesn't update all the phones, it has to go through the manufacturer and carrier. That, in my opinion is a huge mistake, it causes too many delays and a lot of phones are never even updated. So, while some of the issues can be fixed with an update the question is, will they? The iphone crowd knows for them that it will because most bugs are dealt with through minor updates and then you get the major updates.
The android platform has a lot to offer, I just think google gave away too much control to the makers of these handsets. I think a lot of issues would be alleviated if google just took control back and just released the updates themselves.
I'm keeping the phone and so is my wife, she really loves the customization of it and the widgets. However, I understand where a lot of people are coming from, it's hard to justify spending money on a phone that just doesn't work out of the box.
As for the bootloader, yes apple has everything locked down. A jailbreak is all you need on the iphone. You don't need custom kernels because it's all optimized for apples hardware. You can find a ton of mods as well just by opening up cydia on your phone. The hacking community for the iphone is pretty active, which brings me to another point... I've been looking through the dev forums and most of what I see is dev bickering. I doubt we will see any solid development for the atrix when you have devs to busy trying to prove you can't do something and the others trying to argue with them about it. That's just a waste of time, drop the bullcrap and collaborate, you really never know what you may find.
I was very excited about the atrix, but the more I read those forums the more I knew this phone was doomed.
/rant off