http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720294
Check out the thread there. 2.2 w/ working sense on the desire, I know our hero guys can do the same.
I don't like sense personally!
I loved sense....now I c how worthless it is
sense is what makes the hero "the" hero. i love sense.
The hell with Sense. I don't use it and probably won't but it would be nice to have/use once in awhile.
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The hell with Sense. I don't use it and probably won't but it would be nice to have/use once in awhile.
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i love sense. it has the most features and is the best looking. my current sense build is way faster than darch 2.7
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i love sense. it has the most features and is the best looking. my current sense build is way faster than darch 2.7
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Agreed I love sense and people are dead set saying sense is the reason there rom is slow. I disagree and think they r retarded. They just have no idea how to use it and add speed to their rom
Any AOSP ROM I've ever used, JIT's, overclocking and all, is WAY less smooth than Sense.
My gf (iphone user) picks up my phone and tries scrolling through the home screens in ADW Launcher, and goes 'your phone is so slow, what's wrong with it'?
SenseUI is wildly smooth in comparison. Responsive to swipes, the screens scroll smoothly, and it looks a lot better.
SenseUI is what makes these phones better than iPhone for a lot of users.
The functionality of Android is already better IMO, but SenseUI makes it prettier and smoother.
I ALWAYS go back to SenseUI no matter how much I try to show my love to AOSP ROMs.
Sense FTW
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Agreed I love sense and people are dead set saying sense is the reason there rom is slow. I disagree and think they r retarded. They just have no idea how to use it and add speed to their rom
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exactly man! im glad we still have a few people with some "sense"
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Any AOSP ROM I've ever used, JIT's, overclocking and all, is WAY less smooth than Sense.
My gf (iphone user) picks up my phone and tries scrolling through the home screens in ADW Launcher, and goes 'your phone is so slow, what's wrong with it'?
SenseUI is wildly smooth in comparison. Responsive to swipes, the screens scroll smoothly, and it looks a lot better.
SenseUI is what makes these phones better than iPhone for a lot of users.
The functionality of Android is already better IMO, but SenseUI makes it prettier and smoother.
I ALWAYS go back to SenseUI no matter how much I try to show my love to AOSP ROMs.
Sense FTW
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I feel the same. I *always* try AOSP releases(latest the froyo) and enjoy them, but it's just not the same as with sense.
On that note, anyone up for the challenge?
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I feel the same. I *always* try AOSP releases(latest the froyo) and enjoy them, but it's just not the same as with sense.
On that note, anyone up for the challenge?
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challenge? lol
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On that note, anyone up for the challenge?
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I, I don't know what I'd do for the person who succeeds in that challenge, other then give them my greatest unending appreciation. No offense to any of the modders out there (as I think what you are doing is frigging amazing) but I've yet to see any build come close to approaching the general aesthetic feel of Sense.
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Any AOSP ROM I've ever used, JIT's, overclocking and all, is WAY less smooth than Sense.
My gf (iphone user) picks up my phone and tries scrolling through the home screens in ADW Launcher, and goes 'your phone is so slow, what's wrong with it'?
SenseUI is wildly smooth in comparison. Responsive to swipes, the screens scroll smoothly, and it looks a lot better.
SenseUI is what makes these phones better than iPhone for a lot of users.
The functionality of Android is already better IMO, but SenseUI makes it prettier and smoother.
I ALWAYS go back to SenseUI no matter how much I try to show my love to AOSP ROMs.
Sense FTW
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You know you can adjust the speed at which ADW Launcher scrolls, right?
mrinehart93 said:
You know you can adjust the speed at which ADW Launcher scrolls, right?
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you know sense is better right? lol
cp0020 said:
you know sense is better right? lol
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You know your statement is highly opinionated right? lol
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You know your statement is highly opinionated right? lol
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you know i know you know that i know you know that sense is better(fact) right?
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you know i know you know that i know you know that sense is better(fact) right?
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Um duh any intelligent person knows that.
Papa Smurf151 said:
Agreed I love sense and people are dead set saying sense is the reason there rom is slow. I disagree and think they r retarded. They just have no idea how to use it and add speed to their rom
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so because people don't like sense means they are retarded? i hate to break the news to you but any rom that is stripped of sense runs not only faster but gives you more memory.
markus_del_marko said:
so because people don't like sense means they are retarded? i hate to break the news to you but any rom that is stripped of sense runs not only faster but gives you more memory.
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U think so. So lets see um my rom for instance hmmmmm......has sense plus 2 other launchers...has oc...has a2sd...is huge file(147 MB download LOL)...installed I have over 100 MB free and running sense as the launcher the rom is blazing fast. Maybe as fast as darchdroid. It has nothing to do with sense. It has to do with slow SD cards. Non overclocked roms. And not knowing what ur doing. U can go ahead and run around and make statements like the ignorant ones I see u paste all over but just know that the people out here that actually know how to get a rom running fast and stable and actually produce work know the truth
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U think so. So lets see um my rom for instance hmmmmm......has sense plus 2 other launchers...has oc...has a2sd...is huge file(147 MB download LOL)...installed I have over 100 MB free and running sense as the launcher the rom is blazing fast. Maybe as fast as darchdroid. It has nothing to do with sense. It has to do with slow SD cards. Non overclocked roms. And not knowing what ur doing. U can go ahead and run around and make statements like the ignorant ones I see u paste all over but just know that the people out here that actually know how to get a rom running fast and stable and actually produce work know the truth
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i think the people who say they don't like sense because its too slow, obviously haven't tried any of the newer sense roms. and if they did and still say its too slow then yeah, they obviously dont know what their doing lol now i'm not saying that aosp is slow....i'm just saying that in my honest opinion, sense is better. its faster than darch's(my opinion), you get alot more personality, it looks absolutely amazing, and there is just nothing like it.
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I for one like Sense, well I am not running a Sense ROM now I do miss a few things. So I wanted to see what people dis like and like about it and well maybe help some of us out. You know, finding way to forget about Sense.
I am running Cyanogenmod 6.0.0 now.
Like:
1: Flash {Cant find a work around}
2: Widgets
a: Peep {There is twitter but I like how dark peep is}
b: Friend Stream
c: Calender {Cant find a replacement }
d: Contact {Contact Widget does a great job as a replacement }
3: The ringer getting low when you pick up the phone {Cant find a work around}
Other than that, I cant say I miss Sense all to much, to tell the truth I am really liking adw launcher.
But if you have anything that helps replace what Sense does give you should add a list and if you are just missing something you should ask here, maybe one of us will be able to help you out.
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I for one like Sense, well I am not running a Sense ROM now I do miss a few things. So I wanted to see what people dis like and like about it and well maybe help some of us out. You know, finding way to forget about Sense.
I am running Cyanogenmod 6.0.0 now.
Like:
1: Flash {Cant find a work around}
2: Widgets
a: Peep {There is twitter but I like how dark peep is}
b: Friend Stream
c: Calender {Cant find a replacement }
d: Contact {Contact Widget does a great job as a replacement }
3: The ringer getting low when you pick up the phone {Cant find a work around}
Other than that, I cant say I miss Sense all to much, to tell the truth I am really liking adw launcher.
But if you have anything that helps replace what Sense does give you should add a list and if you are just missing something you should ask here, maybe one of us will be able to help you out.
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LauncherPro... faster, smoother than ADW and has "Sense" widgets. Right now I believe it's just contacts, he is releasing calender and others (if he hasn't already)
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LauncherPro... faster, smoother than ADW and has "Sense" widgets. Right now I believe it's just contacts, he is releasing calender and others (if he hasn't already)
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Just to add to your comment, he added bookmarks widgets as well
I like AOSP because it is much faster than Sense regardless of what you do to speed it up. I love the look of sense, but after buying a couple of apps and downloading others I can say that I do not miss Sense.
LauncherPro Plus-He is working on Sense like widgets. I now use this instead of Rosie.
Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets- imitates Weather and clock from Sense. You'll have to find a fancy widget download online as they had a C&D order from HTC.
Extended Controls- Allows more options than the power control widget
CalWidget-Calander Widget on your home screen. I think you can change text and background color with this one.
I'm not a social networking freak so I don't care about those, but I know that they will get friendstream working on aosp. And you can still get all the other apps for aosp.
There is a setting somewhere to change the ringer volume on phone movement. I don't have CM6 flashed anymore, but I know its in the settings somehwere
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I like AOSP because it is much faster than Sense regardless of what you do to speed it up. I love the look of sense, but after buying a couple of apps and downloading others I can say that I do not miss Sense.
LauncherPro Plus-He is working on Sense like widgets. I now use this instead of Rosie.
Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets- imitates Weather and clock from Sense. You'll have to find a fancy widget download online as they had a C&D order from HTC.
Extended Controls- Allows more options than the power control widget
CalWidget-Calander Widget on your home screen. I think you can change text and background color with this one.
I'm not a social networking freak so I don't care about those, but I know that they will get friendstream working on aosp. And you can still get all the other apps for aosp.
There is a setting somewhere to change the ringer volume on phone movement. I don't have CM6 flashed anymore, but I know its in the settings somehwere
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Fyi nfinitefx45 just got jit working on a sense rom. I'm using it on my red dawn as I type. I'm getting between 4.4-4.8 on linpack and that's with all the extra crap I've got on my rom.
The days of saying aosp is faster is at an end. I've got no lag. Running smooth and extremely fast plus have sense and all the Widgets that come with it.
Sense will find a way onto froyo eventually and will be just as fast as aosp
It really does seem that AOSP can be just as great as Sense as far as cosmetics. So the only thing left is flash, is there any way to get flash working on ASOP 2.1 or the 2.2 we have now?
Thank you all for the great input!
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Fyi nfinitefx45 just got jit working on a sense rom. I'm using it on my red dawn as I type. I'm getting between 4.4-4.8 on linpack and that's with all the extra crap I've got on my rom.
The days of saying aosp is faster is at an end. I've got no lag. Running smooth and extremely fast plus have sense and all the Widgets that come with it.
Sense will find a way onto froyo eventually and will be just as fast as aosp
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What about quadrant?
Some will never give up on Sense. I used to hate AOSP. I didn't like the look and missed all the extra's found in Sense.Right now I keep switching between froyo and Sense. If only someone could get all the sense apps working with AOSP.
Flash will never come to the hero because it's not built for it. I love sense, but i've learned to get by in froyo. The main thing I miss is the nice widgets, but there are some nice replacements in the market. I use digiclock widget and the weather channel. For twitter, seesmic is better than anything and it is fast. Launcher pro will let you customize your bottom row just about any way you want and will let you have 7 home screens like sense. If you have your homescreen laid out just how you like it in sense, then it's not that hard to recreate it in AOSP, unless you use a lot of sense Widgets.
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Flash will never come to the hero because it's not built for it.p
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We've had Flash for quite a while now.
Sense just seems like a waste of memory to me. Everything can be duplicated with Market widgets.
I really wish I knew what people saw in it, I hate it with a passion.
The way I see it is, Sense UI does offer things that other phones dont have and HTC has stayed a head of the game a little by giving us all just a little bit extra (flash)
On top of that, how many themes are out there for AWR or Luncher Pro? Well Sense if at heart a big theme, Things are made to go to gather and its simple and dark.
But anyway, How do we get Flash with out Sense?
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The way I see it is, Sense UI does offer things that other phones dont have and HTC has stayed a head of the game a little by giving us all just a little bit extra (flash)
On top of that, how many themes are out there for AWR or Luncher Pro? Well Sense if at heart a big theme, Things are made to go to gather and its simple and dark.
But anyway, How do we get Flash with out Sense?
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Got flash 10.1 also with sense and jit. Hmmm have any other complaints about sense that r untrue. Ill crush them as well.
Papa Smurf151 said:
Got flash 10.1 also with sense and jit. Hmmm have any other complaints about sense that r untrue. Ill crush them as well.
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Could you please explain how to get flash 10.1? I'm using nfinitefx45's stock de-odex.
Hey pappa!
Have you tested the new sensebuild /w jit on quadrant? It is a better benchmark than linpack, if for no other reason than it tests more than floating point calculations.
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Got flash 10.1 also with sense and jit. Hmmm have any other complaints about sense that r untrue. Ill crush them as well.
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Maybe you did not understand me? I like Sense and would love for a 2.2 Sense RON to come out. But at the same point I can get a lot of the same things done with out it.
And how about this, My Hero will build me a island and then transform in to a plain and fly me there...... If people ask how I will not say anything.
If you have flash and see people have asked why dont you share with us?
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Maybe you did not understand me? I like Sense and would love for a 2.2 Sense RON to come out. But at the same point I can get a lot of the same things done with out it.
And how about this, My Hero will build me a island and then transform in to a plain and fly me there...... If people ask how I will not say anything.
If you have flash and see people have asked why dont you share with us?
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nfinitefx45 got flash to work. dl either of my roms or his zenherofx and pull the flashliteplugin.apk. that has the lib in it to allow to have flash 10.1 to work.
i haven't used sense since the day i bought my hero, i always strip it out of the roms. a waste of space & memory IMO.
tejasrichard said:
Hey pappa!
Have you tested the new sensebuild /w jit on quadrant? It is a better benchmark than linpack, if for no other reason than it tests more than floating point calculations.
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u tell me cause i didnt run it before i had jit on
are you guys gonna pull your ***** out now?
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As soon as I have time I will try to get a .zip for people to use to get flash running on there 2.2 heros, But I am not a dev by any means so it will take a day or two.
Also, your "Red Dawn Rom Page" link is messed up. It seems you have an extra "http//" after your "http://".
Papa Smurf151 said:
nfinitefx45 got flash to work. dl either of my roms or his zenherofx and pull the flashliteplugin.apk. that has the lib in it to allow to have flash 10.1 to work.
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Coming from the Nexus One, running cMod6, I can't describe how choppy and over-themed this software is. Please, for the love of god, someone develop a Vanilla Android rom!!!! PLEASE!!
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Coming from the Nexus One, running cMod6, I can't describe how choppy and over-themed this software is. Please, for the love of god, someone develop a Vanilla Android rom!!!! PLEASE!!
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Hang tight. Good things are right around the corner.
Use launcher pro for the time being.
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The "theme" is as light as it could be for a complete overhaul. You need to look elsewhere for the reasons why your phone is choppy, it's certainly not TW overall (maybe the widgets, some of them are extremely laggy).
Do the lag fix. World of difference
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From Eugene_373:
Sound & Camera is only thing left to fix for Stock Google Android on the Vibrant... Barak is working on that tonig http://twitpic.com/2djkpi
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From Eugene_373:
Sound & Camera is only thing left to fix for Stock Google Android on the Vibrant... Barak is working on that tonig http://twitpic.com/2djkpi
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+1.
@ OP: Eugene's ROM is probably the fastest and most stable out right now. Besides, why wouldn't you have just downloaded ADW by now? Isn't that the stock Launcher on all CM ROMS now-a-days??? I would suggest following some devs on twitter too, you'll see that things are coming around nicely.
Here is a Few Pic's
http://twitpic.com/2djkpi http://twitpic.com/2dfx9i http://twitpic.com/2dfx5l http://twitpic.com/2dfwwv http://twitpic.com/2dfwrb http://twitpic.com/2dfwkb
Yea, I couldn't stand it either. Way too colorful for my tastes.
Just remove all the widgets from your home screens. Instant fix. At least it was for me.
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Here is a Few Pic's
http://twitpic.com/2djkpi http://twitpic.com/2dfx9i http://twitpic.com/2dfx5l http://twitpic.com/2dfwwv http://twitpic.com/2dfwrb http://twitpic.com/2dfwkb
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Wow. Iv been an Anrdroid user since the G1 first came out and after looking at those pics vanilla Android looks so Win95ish and TouchWiz is Windows 7ish.
To each his own I guess...
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Wow. Iv been an Anrdroid user since the G1 first came out and after looking at those pics vanilla Android looks so Win95ish and TouchWiz is Windows 7ish.
To each his own I guess...
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Yeah, the TW overlay is severely undervalued
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http://twitpic.com/2djkpi http://twitpic.com/2dfx9i http://twitpic.com/2dfx5l http://twitpic.com/2dfwwv http://twitpic.com/2dfwrb http://twitpic.com/2dfwkb
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heygrl said:
Yeah, the TW overlay is severely undervalued
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Yea, I dont get the hate....
The only thing that is really overly slow, is the cold boot-up process (media scanning, especially). Other than that, I find TouchWiz to be my favorite of all Android skins. There is a noticeable lag when launching an app for the first time (two seconds or so), but I'm willing to deal with that, even if there is room for improvement.
Not having some of the TouchWiz customizations is what keeps me from jumping to another Android phone. I couldn't live without these iPhone-like Calendar and Clock apps.
But you think TouchWiz is bad? Christ, go try scrolling around the home screens of the Droid X or the EVO. Those phones feel so antiquated, to me. Though, I'd like to see if 2.2 makes them usable...
In other news: GPS and Compass are still completely broken, with no word from Samsung.
not hate tw lags like a ***** is all.
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not hate tw lags like a ***** is all.
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Really? I thought that had more to do with the I/O performance. Stock Android is going to be snappier for sure but there is no reason why the Vibrant can't handle TouchWiz, which a good portion of is just different colors. My eyes are bleeding after looking at stock Android on the Vibrant. I know some prefer it but I can't tell you how many people think TW is just the "iPhone launcher"
simply put, if you don't like it, don't use it when we release it...
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simply put, if you don't like it, don't use it when we release it...
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That's not what I was saying at all, and I won't. Simply put.
I'm sure most people wouldn't mind it if it wasn't so damn colorful and a blatant copy of iOS. Besides the vibrant already looks very similar to an iPhone no need in making it look like you are using a knockoff.
To be fair TW has some very nice additions but at a price of ugly.
Wow, I thought having a verity would be nice... If you up tight, please don't use anything I post.. There is no point in being high and mighty...
Some don't like tw, some do... Some like plain jane.. I like both so I don't care, but have source we can work from? Well, we'll never have tw source so be grateful anyone is working on stuff from source.
I notice there are a few different ROM's for the DHD, some with Sense some without.
Whats the actual difference, does Sence in some way slow the phone down?
I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
So, are there advantages to running a more vanilla android version with some widgets over the sense style ROMs.
I am on mike1986's Android Revolution.
I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
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If you root the phone using VISIONary+ you can delete/rename the Lockscreen.apk I believe and it will return to the vanilla lockscreen. As for jazzy widgets that's a Sense thing, unless you buy and install LauncherPro over ADW.Launcher, LauncherPro has People, Bookmarks, Calaendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook & Friends widgets that can be used. There is also music widget control using Cyanogen.
I find sense slow and garish, it slows down the phone for no good reason, ASOP ROMs are much lighter and look, IMO, much prettier and unique.
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I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.
i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water
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i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water
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People like the simplicity of Cyanogen. Sense slows even the DHD down, it's aweful. And to boot pretty much everyone with an Android phone has it. It's better to be unique.
you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.
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you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Point well made.
I really can't notice nay slow down due to Sense whatsoever. I really do think that someone should clearly "sell" the advantages of dumping Sense, other than just plain old enthusiasm for hacking something. I think it is more down to aesthetics than anything else. Try other ROMs and see if you like them, you might. I like the fact that HTC have at least tried to add value to Android.
A further irony is having come from the Magic I can vouch for the fact that much effort was put into porting Sense to that plain Android phone.
Sorry, no lag when I scroll my SMS or App drawer. The DHD can definitely deal with the demands of Sense.
Sense is pretty cool and only lags if you try to make it. I think that if all Android phones came with Cyanogen as the stock ROM then the Sense ROM would be a massive hit. Cyanogen is definitely a good choice because it's clean and fast but until i actually need my Desire HD to run faster and more efficiently i won't use it. That's why i will go sort of halfway and flash a cooked sense based ROM like Leedroid.
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Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.
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look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not
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I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.
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I have to admit I didn't try it out on desire hd but I tried it when I'm with a hero. Say, cyan is for dev and sense is for users. Whatever you get what you want.
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rosswaa said:
look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not
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Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.
If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?
eozen81 said:
If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?
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You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.
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You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.
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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?
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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?
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Not that, I know of. Sense Copy & Paste is one of them, there is no magnification window when you copy and paste on the DHD, and the louder ring, that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.
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lol who said it had to be standard? sense comes with to much bloatware, so i remove most of it
have you tried this theme addon? http://classical-gas.blogspot.com/2010/12/jamt-htc-desire-cyanogenmod-610rc2.html
works real nice i have cyan set up alight atm but hopefuly not long till the ginger comes along
I am back on a sense rom. Rcmixhd since adfree and other components work correctly unlike on the other sense roms I've tried. I used to love Cyanogen on my Nexus One but the new sense is very slick indeed.
It does not lag. It does take a little longer to boot and use more memory but who cares when we have so much ram on the dhd. I don't know how the amount of room it takes can be an issue either considering we have 1.5gb rom. I still have 0.9gb free with 54 apps installed.
tbh I still love cyanogenmod but its htc locations which is keeping me on sense. Its the best android offline navigator I've tried in terms of routing here in New zealand and I love the fact I can just buy a cheap 1 month subscription for navigation in another country when I go overseas. Any other app one is forced to buy a complete package for that country at considerably larger cost.
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I really don't like the Sense launcher, I use adw, but sense has lots of little modifications that are just nice to have. Text selection, quick lookup, freaking awesome dialer, flip to speaker etc
I'm running android revolution hd, no lags, excellent battery (whole day with pretty heavy use. Needs charging every night but I can use all the phones features as much as I like and not give the battery a second thought) also 2400 in quadrant. So all in all i really rate sense.
And why does like every other ROM for this phone (along with certain other phones) have it? Is it purely a graphical thing, does it increase performance, or what? I've generally used plain/unthemed ROMs (like CM Nightly) and then customize them the way I like (keeping them as minimal/lightweight as possible), but I'm considering switching.
Also, does it generally scale with LCD density changes? I can't use a rotary-style unlocker when I lower the LCD density, for example, because it looks messed up as a result.
Not another of these posts.
It's a point of personal preference.
One of the biggest reasons I use sense is the integration with with various apps.
I also like the looks of the sense camera
THe dialer is also pretty big for me. I can punch in the numbers based on where the alphabets are on and it deduces who I want to call. say I want to call john, I punch in 5646 and it looks up contacts that contains 5646 or the letters that correspond to the alphabet. So 5646 will also pull up everyone named john as well...
apart from that, i also like the looks of it as well.
Search bud
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Sorry, didn't think that this question would have been asked before, especially the LCD density part - which, speaking of, anybody know if it would work with a screen density of, say, 140? Most people seem to stay at 190 or above, so searching for the answer hasn't been too successful for me.
LOL one thing is for sure it DON'T speed up phones.
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LOL one thing is for sure it DON'T speed up phones.
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but it does still run smooth.
It's kinda obvious it wont make things run faster when you're adding another layer you know...
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but it does still run smooth.
It's kinda obvious it wont make things run faster when you're adding another layer you know...
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Lockscreen, dialer, camera, HTC Sense Sync, contact linking, widgets, the ability to do a search before post a repetitive thread...
Sense usually doesn't get along too well with LCD Density changes especially with the default Rosie launcher. Sense is great though, looks nice and well integrated with the apps.
As said, personal preference. I'm using Cyanogenmod now, but beyond it's appearance*, Sense covers for a lot of Android's functional deficiencies. For example, the above-mentioned T9 dialer is essential and I can't believe Android doesn't have it built in. The camera app is WAY better than the stock one. I believe you can copy selections WITHIN text messages, which is nice - in fact Sense had the Gingerbread-style text-selection functionality before Gingerbread. The clock app is also much better (and there's no use of Clockopia, which is possibly the worst font ever made by man or beast).
Newer versions allow you to launch apps from the lockscreen, which is nice.
Of course, it's pretty heavy, and all the deep twitter/facebook integration is pretty useless if you're not a big social networker.
*I find Android to be a horribly ugly operating system, but Sense isn't really much better imo. I theme every ROM before I flash it
useful, get everything u need at ease, bunch of widgets to choose from
see everything u want at glance (time, date, weather ...)
great camera
helpful lockscreen
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professional look
telling everyone that I AM USING AN HTC phone
arich said:
Lockscreen, dialer, camera, HTC Sense Sync, contact linking, widgets, the ability to do a search before post a repetitive thread...
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you're quoting the wrong person.
I'm not the OP
I used to love the look of AOSP roms like CM and others, but I left that for MIUI.
I have used Sense for a bit but couldn't get into it. Roms like CM are made to be light and quick with little optimization. Roms like Sense and MIUI are meant to be heavily optimized, not as quick, but run smoothly non the less. As others stated, it's all about preference.
Sense is just "quietly brilliant" IMO
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Sense is just "quietly brilliant" IMO
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Lol obviously that is the joke of the day!
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RyNkA said:
Sense is just "quietly brilliant" IMO
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That always makes me laugh. Because HTC Sense is the loudest, most useless waste of space stacked with gobs of chrome UI I've ever used.
martonikaj said:
That always makes me laugh. Because HTC Sense is the loudest, most useless waste of space stacked with gobs of chrome UI I've ever used.
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To each their own. I can talk smack about anything but its better kept tom myself rather than sounding like an elitist
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To each their own. I can talk smack about anything but its better kept tom myself rather than sounding like an elitist
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You either love it or hate it that's just the way it is with sense. I personally don't like it, but it is nice to know if I ever really get bored I can try it out and try to like it lol.
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To each their own. I can talk smack about anything but its better kept tom myself rather than sounding like an elitist
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I feel a hint of cynicism... I'm not an elitist because I think that Sense is bloated. And I know I'm not alone in this thought. I'm not saying Sense is bad per se, I'm just explaining how I see it. You can talk trash about stock android if you want, but I don't think you'll get too much support on that front. I don't hate on Sense exclusively by the way, I'm not a big fan of any skins. It's not that I'm opposed to the idea of the skin, its just that no company has made a good one yet.
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You either love it or hate it that's just the way it is with sense. I personally don't like it, but it is nice to know if I ever really get bored I can try it out and try to like it lol.
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Agreed, lots of people are loyal to Sense. That's the idea, HTC wants it to be a consistent experience people get attached to, and they've spent a lot of time and money to create it.
I have a nandroid of a Sense ROM on my G2 right now. I switch to it now and then, but I go back to my normal ROM within the day. It is quite polarizing.
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I feel a hint of cynicism... I'm not an elitist because I think that Sense is bloated. And I know I'm not alone in this thought. I'm not saying Sense is bad per se, I'm just explaining how I see it. You can talk trash about stock android if you want, but I don't think you'll get too much support on that front. I don't hate on Sense exclusively by the way, I'm not a big fan of any skins. It's not that I'm opposed to the idea of the skin, its just that no company has made a good one yet.
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Yeah, you got the cynicism. I said I can talk trash about anything else but just because I can does not mean I hate it or I think it's bad so don't start putting words in my mouth.
But your previous comment was as helpful as me saying "omglol touchwiz blows monkey chunks lolz!!!! Oneoneelventyone"
Sense may seem bloated to you, but no other company has come to an integration with other apps as htc has yet and still look good doing it.
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Yeah, you got the cynicism. I said I can talk trash about anything else but just because I can does not mean I hate it or I think it's bad so don't start putting words in my mouth.
But your previous comment was as helpful as me saying "omglol touchwiz blows monkey chunks lolz!!!! Oneoneelventyone"
Sense may seem bloated to you, but no other company has come to an integration with other apps as htc has yet and still look good doing it.
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I pretty clearly expressed how I felt about the UI concepts that HTC has created (bloated, useless, too much chrome).
Everything you're saying to defend it is just as subjective as anything I can say about how bad I think it is. UI concepts are not universally accepted. Just because someone likes it doesn't mean everyone does. You may think that they've done a good job with app integration, but I really see no usefulness in Sense, and it really doesn't 'look good doing it' (which is my first point.).
I think its pretty clearly put that most Android skins are pretty polarizing, you either like it or you don't. And this polarization will obviously be strong with a very customized and long-going skin like Sense.
I just don't understand why your word is better than mine because you like Sense and I don't. You've given no more examples of how great it is than I have given of how I don't like it (although I have given a few). So really, I think you need to settle down. I said that Sense UI is bloated and full of useless crap, and you said it isn't. What an argument.
Curious to see what people think: for those who were on VU and then flashed to the new Doubleshot ROM, what are your impressions? Can you compare the 2 a bit? Which do you prefer and why?
I'm on VU beta and it is SO smooth and pretty, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try the new DS. But being able to remove the mysense icon blocks is a big help.
What benefits are there to the DS ROM over VU? Any? I know some differences are DS has only 5 homescreens, the new Sense dock bar, the potential to go landscape rosie (but apparently not on our phones). What else? Seems like a big loss to lose the VU lock screen shortcuts...is there a big difference in speed/performance? I can't imagine another Sense 3.0 ROM being any faster than VU beta.
Thanks for your thoughts
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Curious to see what people think: for those who were on VU and then flashed to the new Doubleshot ROM, what are your impressions? Can you compare the 2 a bit? Which do you prefer and why?
I'm on VU beta and it is SO smooth and pretty, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try the new DS. But being able to remove the mysense icon blocks is a big help.
What benefits are there to the DS ROM over VU? Any? I know some differences are DS has only 5 homescreens, the new Sense dock bar, the potential to go landscape rosie (but apparently not on our phones). What else? Seems like a big loss to lose the VU lock screen shortcuts...is there a big difference in speed/performance? I can't imagine another Sense 3.0 ROM being any faster than VU beta.
Thanks for your thoughts
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Just flash it and try for yourself. make a nand if you dont like it.
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Just flash it and try for yourself. make a nand if you dont like it.
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Hmm, interesting advice. Why didn't I think of that?
Anyone else?
p.s. in general I agree with you, best way to know is to try it yourself - but I'm at work, and it will be a while before I can flash it. But I can sneak onto the forums here and there to whet my appetite, so I'm asking for opinions.
DS is the 3.0 revision of mySense...While VU is Sense 3.0. DS is limited in ways like no lockscreen shortcuts, less homescreens, and other things, why is this? Well because it's mySense, which is a slimmed down version on Sense. It ditched the mySense dock, for a new one, that's customizable. It features all the Sense 3 widgets, and has a new one called mytouch widget. Both are very similar in speed, but I haven't tried the latter-i've only tried the DS build from daddyc. Since both are Sense 3 they'll have similar speeds, but DS may be quicker since it's slightly toned down. Less homescreens could lead to a faster experience on the homescreen, and potentially a lower RAM usage.
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DS is the 3.0 revision of mySense...While VU is Sense 3.0. DS is limited in ways like no lockscreen shortcuts, less homescreens, and other things, why is this? Well because it's mySense, which is a slimmed down version on Sense. It ditched the mySense dock, for a new one, that's customizable. It features all the Sense 3 widgets, and has a new one called mytouch widget. Both are very similar in speed, but I haven't tried the latter-i've only tried the DS build from daddyc. Since both are Sense 3 they'll have similar speeds, but DS may be quicker since it's slightly toned down. Less homescreens could lead to a faster experience on the homescreen, and potentially a lower RAM usage.
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Thanks. Yeah as far as I can tell the only bonus DS has over VU is the customizable dock, and I guess possibly a lighter build hence quicker performance. I'm sure it's a great ROM but I don't see enough reasons to make the jump from VU, which now on the beta has been absolutely stellar.
Hope no one minds this relatively pointless thread, just thought it might be a subject of interest since I know both of these Sense 3.0 ROMS will be very popular.
I personally like it better so far, the main plus is much less ram usage that VU was giving me, plus the dock bar is nice
I love them both, keep switching back and forward
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I personally like it better so far, the main plus is much less ram usage that VU was giving me, plus the dock bar is nice
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Thanks. Yeah as far as I can tell the only bonus DS has over VU is the customizable dock, and I guess possibly a lighter build hence quicker performance. I'm sure it's a great ROM but I don't see enough reasons to make the jump from VU, which now on the beta has been absolutely stellar.
Hope no one minds this relatively pointless thread, just thought it might be a subject of interest since I know both of these Sense 3.0 ROMS will be very popular.
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DS is mySense thus the lighter burden on RAM, but tbh I don't see any reasons to change from VU->DS or DS->VU. The experience you'll have on either will be similar anyway. I personally prefer the sense dockbar over the new one in DS.
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DS is mySense thus the lighter burden on RAM, but tbh I don't see any reasons to change from VU->DS or DS->VU. The experience you'll have on either will be similar anyway. I personally prefer the sense dockbar over the new one in DS.
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I tried the DS port for all of 5 minutes before I restored back to unity... I just couldn't deal with 5 homescreens and no shortcuts on the lockscreen.. But this is only my opinion... It is quite smooth, though
well i got to say i tried them both and switched back to evil d unity beta its much more smoother all i need is ffc 2 work and the battery is the same for both did not notice a difference actually i believe i get better battery with evil's unity beta and much more smoother
how can i get the beta
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Curious to see what people think: for those who were on VU and then flashed to the new Doubleshot ROM, what are your impressions? Can you compare the 2 a bit? Which do you prefer and why?
I'm on VU beta and it is SO smooth and pretty, I'm having a hard time convincing myself to try the new DS. But being able to remove the mysense icon blocks is a big help.
What benefits are there to the DS ROM over VU? Any? I know some differences are DS has only 5 homescreens, the new Sense dock bar, the potential to go landscape rosie (but apparently not on our phones). What else? Seems like a big loss to lose the VU lock screen shortcuts...is there a big difference in speed/performance? I can't imagine another Sense 3.0 ROM being any faster than VU beta.
Thanks for your thoughts
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tvotony said:
how can i get the beta
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Go to evil's VU thread, near the bottom of the OP there's a link for the virtuous website; go to their site then click on the blog portion to the right under 2011, and it should be there. Worth the hunting to find it, it runs beautifully.
It's not on there
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Go to evil's VU thread, near the bottom of the OP there's a link for the virtuous website; go to their site then click on the blog portion to the right under 2011, and it should be there. Worth the hunting to find it, it runs beautifully.
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It's not on there
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Yes it is.
Evil's VU Thread, bottom of OP, big link that says "Download: Changelog: More Info":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143177
VU website with beta download:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/search?u...dated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=14
Download, hit the thanks button, and enjoy
my two sense... ;-)
i tried vu and it has some cool features, BUT, like all the other roms i've tried, i just keep coming back to cm7 (which i hope they will update sometime). i like the simplicity, and it all just works.... also..... a major plus i like.... you can increase the font size for your contacts in vanilla gingerbread.... this makes looking up the right number when a contact has several to choose from.... for some reason... the sense roms leave out this nice little feature...... another BUT.... i will probably try out the VU rom again just because it does have coolness all over it...
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i tried vu and it has some cool features, BUT, like all the other roms i've tried, i just keep coming back to cm7 (which i hope they will update sometime). i like the simplicity, and it all just works.... also..... a major plus i like.... you can increase the font size for your contacts in vanilla gingerbread.... this makes looking up the right number when a contact has several to choose from.... for some reason... the sense roms leave out this nice little feature...... another BUT.... i will probably try out the VU rom again just because it does have coolness all over it...
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I also like cm7, usually when I go back to AOSP that means cm7. I tried the new RC1 and really liked it, the lock screen gestures were super cool, great for shortcuts.
But ultimately every time I try AOSP I come back to Sense based ROMS, because the peripheral apps, i.e. dialer, music, camera, are so much better IMO. I'm thinking of actually trying the No-Sense mod on the DesireHD forums. It takes a Sense ROM and removes everything BUT those peripheral apps, removes most other launcher-related things, so you can run an AOSP launcher over a stripped down Sense. Sounds like the best of both worlds.
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I also like cm7, usually when I go back to AOSP that means cm7. I tried the new RC1 and really liked it, the lock screen gestures were super cool, great for shortcuts.
But ultimately every time I try AOSP I come back to Sense based ROMS, because the peripheral apps, i.e. dialer, music, camera, are so much better IMO. I'm thinking of actually trying the No-Sense mod on the DesireHD forums. It takes a Sense ROM and removes everything BUT those peripheral apps, removes most other launcher-related things, so you can run an AOSP launcher over a stripped down Sense. Sounds like the best of both worlds.
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That does sound great, you have a link?
Mcoddt said:
That does sound great, you have a link?
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Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993475
Haven't tried it yet, but I think it should work for our phones. If you try it let us know how it works.
sunsean said:
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993475
Haven't tried it yet, but I think it should work for our phones. If you try it let us know how it works.
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Okay I tried it. It runs very fast now but the personalize menu doesn't work. So a quick fix was to re-flash the rom and set the lockscreen icons the way I wanted and then flash the script. Also, the script removes the sense weather which I didn't like but I was able to get it back by going here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13460723. The only thing is the animations don't work so it's just a black screen with the weather info but that's good enough for me. I also replaced LauncherPro with ADW EX. I've been using the phone pretty heavily and battery life has been way better.
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Okay I tried it. It runs very fast now but the personalize menu doesn't work. So a quick fix was to re-flash the rom and set the lockscreen icons the way I wanted and then flash the script. Also, the script removes the sense weather which I didn't like but I was able to get it back by going here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13460723. The only thing is the animations don't work so it's just a black screen with the weather info but that's good enough for me. I also replaced LauncherPro with ADW EX. I've been using the phone pretty heavily and battery life has been way better.
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Wow - awesome, thanks for sharing! What sense ROM are you running it over? So is it pretty much like an AOSP ROM with Sense camera, dialer, and music?