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No Google on TMO USA GPRS?

For some reason, I cant get to ANY google website when I am using GPRS/EDGE on the Tmobile USA network.
No Google Search, Gmail, Maps etc.. Nothing. Any other website works. When I try to access a google site, it locates, and then stalls on "opening". It happens in PIE, Opera, MiniMo.
When I use Wifi, I have no problems. It only doesnt work when using GPRS.
This is on the Tmobile USA network, with a vario and stock tmo rom (1.8.10.2)
WTF?

Try this link, does it work?
http://www.google.nl/pda

I have the exact same problem. It's very weird and VERY annoying.

Sorry, for some reason this double posted. Good way to start my posting here on this forum

I've had my Tmo MDA for a month now & never have gotten anymore than "page cannot be loaded" with google. WiFi works same as yours.
Dont know if it helps but..
* I can get to google using the phone as a modem for my laptop.
* If I use the MSN proxy (go to vista live beta, search for google, choose the mobile version) this works
* I wonder what other sites dont work but should
* rom is what the unit shipped with. Registry unchanged exept for bumping the cache in a few places for speed.
lastly, check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/vie...ghlight=&sid=494a2df12b48a1e8fdca8ae0e7bfb752

I have the same problem. The thing is it worked for the first week or so. I bought my MDA the day it was available on Feb 21. Would T-Mobile have somehow blocked it a few weeks later? I will say I am running the Custom 2.17 ROM, but I have had this problem before and after the ROM upgrade.

Tried google.nl
I actually got to the google page, but searches dont work. Either does gmail, image search etc.. etc.. etc..
This is really annoying. I use gmail for all of my mail, and google for ALOT of stuff, without it. I am lost

I have had my KJam since November, used google.com/pda in the past many of times especially the GPRS, but I mainly work from home on my wifi. Today I noticed I could not get any thing to come-up on google while using the GPRS, with a timed-out error message. It sounds like we may all need to inundate tmo's wireless group with calls to get them to fix something on their network end of things.

Before we storm the castle
What locations are you in? Could it be a timing issue with whatever your access point/tower is and Google itself?
I just tried from the Eastgate neighborhood in Bellevue, WA using my T-Mobile MDA and was able to do a couple of quick test searches on Google (using the www.google.com/xhtml and /pda URLs) and completed each search successfully.

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chiaspod said:
What locations are you in? Could it be a timing issue with whatever your access point/tower is and Google itself?
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I'm in NYC.

Try Mobile Leap at http://mobileleap.net/mobile. It's a simple interface to a bunch of search engines and I was able to get a return from google using it via the phone.

Great idea markgamber! That works great!

Mine works ok. Im in Florida, usa. Thanks for the search site though...

Click the thread in BryanP's post in this thread and look on page 2. there are a few fixes you can try there.

In DC metro area and can only hit the .pda site. Called TMO and they said that it is a known issue and are trying to figure it out. It affects most google services. Call TMO and *****.. lets get this resolved.

Wow this is really an Issue, this is crazy I have to go thru all this trouble to get to goole and my gmail. Im in NYC and I have the same problem I cant get to the gmail or google, well it hits google.com/pda but it doesnt search for anything. I have to use netfront with proxy set to getmorespeed.voicestream.com:8080 to get to the sites anyone has any other solutions for this ?

Google time out issue
This time out behavior happens to me in Philadelphia and in New Orleans but works in Florida.

I actually called T-Mobile yesterday about this. I got upto a level 3 tech who exclusivly deals w/ MDA and other devices. He said this is an issue they know about and they're working on it. There was no ETA though, but he said they're seeing what the deal is.
I got 100 free minutes for complaining. Oh well.

maybe I should call too and get few hundreth minutes as I just got the service.

Something I noticed is that when I was visiting Detroit, Michigan I could not access google at all, but all other sites worked. As soon as I touched down back in Los Angeles, CA google was working just fine again.. weird but maybe something to look into?

Telenav GPS service available on the Shift

I recently sent my computer back to the factory to have it repaired. When the sent it back, my WM side has a navigation screen that I did not have before. GPS navigation is available from Telenav for a fee.
Anyway, when you go to Tlenav's site, they have the shift on their site as being compatible with their service. They further state that the Shift has a GPS receiver built in. They have a place to sign up for GPS mapping services for this shift.
Has anyone tried this. Does it work ok? Is it worth the fee?

Dean405 said:
I recently sent my computer back to the factory to have it repaired. When the sent it back, my WM side has a navigation screen that I did not have before. GPS navigation is available from Telenav for a fee.
Anyway, when you go to Tlenav's site, they have the shift on their site as being compatible with their service. They further state that the Shift has a GPS receiver built in. They have a place to sign up for GPS mapping services for this shift.
Has anyone tried this. Does it work ok? Is it worth the fee?
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I tried, but I could only enter US addresses to sign up.
I called the 1-800 number, and they told me that in Canada you have to purchase it from your local cell provider. I baught my Shift unlocked from HTC. So I'm running the american TeleNav software, and not the provider specific versions that (ex Rogers) would put on the device if it was purchased from them.
I am interested in trying it, but after waiting on the phone for 50 minutes to get a User/Pass from Rogers, I hung up thinking im not waiting any longer.

I am in the US, but not sure I want it bad enough to pay for it. I have a Garmin GPS already, so I really don't need it. It would be nice to have it on there though.
Map updates from Garmin are about 70 bucks a year and they come out about every 20 months or so.

Is there a GPS app that doesn't use data?

I am going to be in Germany, Austria and Italy in the near future and likely won't have data (unless I can find a reasonably priced SIM with data). Are there any GPS apps for the HD2 that don't require a data plan?
Thanks in advance.

dornstar said:
I am going to be in Germany, Austria and Italy in the near future and likely won't have data (unless I can find a reasonably priced SIM with data). Are there any GPS apps for the HD2 that don't require a data plan?
Thanks in advance.
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there are a bunch of them. garmin,igo and more, just use that lil search button up top. and you need to turn off Agps.

leemoss84 said:
there are a bunch of them. garmin,igo and more, just use that lil search button up top. and you need to turn off Agps.
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what about turning off agps? The assisted part of AGP doesn't use any data, it just gets passively info from the GSM signal, that's all.
Also, for the top, almost every navigation software has its own maps to copy on a memory card, so you don't need to connect to online maps.
Navicomputer is not a navigation software, but more of a tracking one, and it can download maps off openstreetmap through a pc companion.

tom tom tom tom tom tom tom tom

Roaming data calls
Just in case you don't know this:
LEO somehow finds its way to make data connections no matter what you do, and it may result in the bill you don't want to see...
I haven't tried it, but people here are suggesting "Modaco nodata" as a safe solution. I would suggest you to google it, if you haven't already.

I wouldn't even risk it with a contact sim. either leave your sim at home or trial a pay as you go sim card before you leave

lakeland said:
I wouldn't even risk it with a contact sim. either leave your sim at home or trial a pay as you go sim card before you leave
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This is by far the smartest solution, or you can also put in a dummy SIM to avoid the "NO SIM" message.

lakeland said:
I wouldn't even risk it with a contact sim. either leave your sim at home or trial a pay as you go sim card before you leave
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+1 here. when I think again, everything else is experimenting.

Thanks for all the advice everyone. Much appreciated.

Use TomTom. Not data needed.
Get Dynamic+1's NoDataInRoaming. It will automatically turn off and keep off your data connection as soon as the phone starts to roam. It works great. I use it all the time when I go over the border to the Excited States.

InRBigness said:
Use TomTom. Not data needed.
Get Dynamic+1's NoDataInRoaming. It will automatically turn off and keep off your data connection as soon as the phone starts to roam. It works great. I use it all the time when I go over the border to the Excited States.
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According to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=503131&page=33
it doesn't yet work with HTC HD2, until radio update. Or does it?

Been using NoData for months, works flawlessly. Just remember to re-disable any connections if you do change the SIM card.

Apparently not according to the guy who wrote it. I have a Tilt2/Rhodium and guess just assumed that it would work. Good catch. When he gets it working its a great little app.

avoid iguidance, won't work with hd2 (usa). although it worked with my tytn2.
- tom

.....i'm still searching for a product that is confirmed to work.
- tom

I know from a friend of mine it's possible to use google maps without the data connection if you download the maps on your phone/storage card (but he has an Iphone, so I am not sure if this works on the HD 2)...
And if you want to be safe to not have any data bill from abroad, you should install Mocom NoData and make an 'offline' profile on your phone, so it won't have any data server to connect too...

CoPilot
How about CoPilot Live 8? They have a link to videos posted on YouTube showing a guy running the app on an TMOUS HD2 in Washington State.
A one time fee of $30 sounds a lot better than paying TeleNav $9.99 a month.
alk dot com/copilot/#

schibs said:
How about CoPilot Live 8? They have a link to videos posted on YouTube showing a guy running the app on an TMOUS HD2 in Washington State.
A one time fee of $30 sounds a lot better than paying TeleNav $9.99 a month.
alk dot com/copilot/#
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I have been using Co Pilot Live for some time now...Works great, does not require data, and not having to worry about a monthly fee is also great.
I even ran it in airplane mode to show my wife that it does not require a data signal to work (she was worried about using it on road trips)
(I was a little bugged that I had to pay another 30.00 to download it for my HD2 when I had paid 30.00 to put it on my MT3G...but it still beats having a monthly fee...my next test will be to see if I can use the same key to install it on my wifes HD2 once se gets hers)
If you travel abroad...your fees will vary as they charge per map...ex: The North America map is $30.00 and covers all of Canada, U.S. and Mexico.

I use Co-Pilot Live. Maps are downloaded to SD card. Not sure if they have European maps though.

dornstar said:
I am going to be in Germany, Austria and Italy in the near future and likely won't have data (unless I can find a reasonably priced SIM with data). Are there any GPS apps for the HD2 that don't require a data plan?
Thanks in advance.
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no because the device doesnt hav an independent gps built into it

LIFE WITH OUT DATA PLAN and GOOGLE NAVIGATION??

I have little use for my data plan. I find anytime I can sit down and play on the web, I’m not far from a WIFI hot spot. I do like Google navigation as a flawed but useful GPS system.
-The question is, does Google maps and Navigation require constant data communication through my data plan, or can I simply park in front of a WIFI coffee shop, plan my route, download maps. Then logout, and be on my way.
-If not, any workarounds? Get all the maps and use them with some other free-ish gps system?
-Has the advent of Google Nav. made any other 3rd party, turn by turn, GPS apps more affordable?
-What else am I likely to miss (Google has so many tentacles into my phone…and me I wonder)
Thanks In advance

Hello,
I think only google maps only require data connection as it downloads maps from there server so thats why, the app is small. May be there are similar app.
As of tomtom, garmin and etc, thay don't require data connection but just the gps connection where you can get easily. And as you see, these apps are bigger and you have to buy the map to use the app. Of course the app also.
Best Regards

I use navicomputer http://navicomputer.com/ no data required after you download your maps.

google navigation downloads the whole route when u calculate it. if you get off track though, you may be out of luck. it will only zoom out and show u where the route is so you can get back on track. unless ur destination has data, you wont be able to reverse the route either.
i would recommend getting tomtom, garmin or similar programs.

Interesting, thanks guys
I guess I was think most about “Google Navigation” most. It doesn’t take a lot of data to describe a 3d intersection or a lot of CPU/gpu horsepower to drive through it on the screen. I don’t really know how much an android has.
Navicomp looks great for some things I do but for navigating new places, 3d type gps really works well for me. Last time I looked, TomTom and Garmin weren’t available for Android.
I think I’ll just test Navigation if I remember tomorrow, plan a route, get going, turn the data off (if I can figure that out) and see what happens.
I’ll report back,
PK

I take it he got lost then?!!

look into ndrive or my fav. copilot

Lol i couldn't imagine my phone without a data plan I need to use the web constantly
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Looks like "NaviComputer" as suggested above would be your best bet if you've got the space for it. If you're on a Sprint device, you could switch to Boost Mobile which has unlimited free internet with all its plans from PayAsYouGo to Monthly Unlimited. Granted EvDo is always pretty darn slow, so depending on how much free space you've got inside, you may wish to go with NaviComputer, plus you won't have to deal with signal issues either.
Best of Luck.
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I use IGO 8 and love it better than tom tom or google maps
PM me and I can give you the links for it with all world maps or individual state maps

I use mapdroyd its free and you can download the whole world (5gb) also free, but it is not able to give you turn by turn navigation but you can follow the root
and gives you off-road support to.

CoPilot is AWESOME.
check youtube for videos.
It stores the maps on your sdcard.
It works great with 2.3 gingerbread too and 2.2.
I can't say enough.
The simple fact that you touch a point of interest and it will show you the phone # and give you the option to press call.
VERY easy to use and great display.

Thanks, I had a look and it looks interesting, might give it a try.
Regards, PK

Copilot all the way.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

looks nice and the price is sure right, I think I'll have to check it out.
Thanks, PK

pk2 said:
I have little use for my data plan. I find anytime I can sit down and play on the web, I’m not far from a WIFI hot spot. I do like Google navigation as a flawed but useful GPS system.
-The question is, does Google maps and Navigation require constant data communication through my data plan, or can I simply park in front of a WIFI coffee shop, plan my route, download maps. Then logout, and be on my way.
-If not, any workarounds? Get all the maps and use them with some other free-ish gps system?
-Has the advent of Google Nav. made any other 3rd party, turn by turn, GPS apps more affordable?
-What else am I likely to miss (Google has so many tentacles into my phone…and me I wonder)
Thanks In advance
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if you're a heavy gps user (like me) data is essential. I mean there are alternatives that you can pre download maps on your sd card, but they fill up your storage quick, and aren't as convenient. also you need to manually update them which is a pain. With google maps you have real time traffic updating, business hours and what not. It is pretty convenient, I average over 400 miles of driving a week within my city (my job requires me to travel around), and tell you what I haven't missed one exit using google nav.
As far as the pricing of the data, you can always ask for student discount, employee discounts, or even a preferred loyalty plan. I am actually getting unlimited 4g from tmo (5gb data cap) for $20 a month while one of my friend only gets 200mb for $15 a month....

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if you're a heavy gps user (like me) data is essential. I mean there are alternatives that you can pre download maps on your sd card, but they fill up your storage quick, and aren't as convenient. also you need to manually update them which is a pain. With google maps you have real time traffic updating, business hours and what not. It is pretty convenient, I average over 400 miles of driving a week within my city (my job requires me to travel around), and tell you what I haven't missed one exit using google nav.
As far as the pricing of the data, you can always ask for student discount, employee discounts, or even a preferred loyalty plan. I am actually getting unlimited 4g from tmo (5gb data cap) for $20 a month while one of my friend only gets 200mb for $15 a month....
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Boost Mobile has always unlimited data too for situations like these. If you are just shooting for data only, using the pay as you go plan with just one or two calls/messages every once in a while will help you go far.
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_ice_ said:
if you're a heavy gps user (like me)...you can pre download maps on your sd card, but they fill up your storage quick, ...I average over 400 miles of driving a week within my city ... google nav. .
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I actually don’t drive that much, but when I do, north or south of home (Orange county CA) I’m a babe in the woods, GPS is really nice. I also feel it should be an integral part of my ride.
_ice_ said:
As far as the pricing of the data, you can always ask for student discount, employee discounts, or even a preferred loyalty plan. I am actually getting unlimited 4g from tmo (5gb data cap) for $20 a month while one of my friend only gets 200mb for $15 a month....
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So what does it take to be come a “student” (some basic photoshop & a document layout program skills?) And definitely, what does it take to become a preferred loyalty plan?
I pay $30+ unlimited. One issue I have is I could go on a “per kb” plan. The problem is I haven’t a clue how many kb say, 10 miles of google nav will use or, the occasional web search for an address or web site requires in Kb’s (and $’s). I’ve look for an app that could count the kb’s to see if it's cost effective, but no luck.
(I had one phone I picked up and unlocked. It Made $800 worth the 3g calls all by itself overnight.)

pk2 said:
I actually don’t drive that much, but when I do, north or south of home (Orange county CA) I’m a babe in the woods, GPS is really nice. I also feel it should be an integral part of my ride.
So what does it take to be come a “student” (some basic photoshop & a document layout program skills?) And definitely, what does it take to become a preferred loyalty plan?
I pay $30+ unlimited. One issue I have is I could go on a “per kb” plan. The problem is I haven’t a clue how many kb say, 10 miles of google nav will use or, the occasional web search for an address or web site requires in Kb’s (and $’s). I’ve look for an app that could count the kb’s to see if it's cost effective, but no luck.
(I had one phone I picked up and unlocked. It Made $800 worth the 3g calls all by itself overnight.)
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a student discount means you have to actually attend a college or university that can be verified by the loyalty department.
also you can ask for a grandfathered plan if you have been a customer for awhile.
if you have an android which I believe you do according to your signature. get the 3g watchdog app if you're running on a limited data plan. it automatically shuts off your data (4g supported now I believe) and changes your APN settings to prevent virtually anything from connecting to the data network (MMS won't work unless you do the spoof workaround). but as far as per kb$ don't get the plan it just a train wreck, depending on the background apps, ROM, type of apps you get the data usage can range from 1kb-2 mb an hour per app.
For instance HTC sense uses more data (per kb/mb) than an AOSP rom. why? friendstream and all that junk that stays on, as opposed to no junk on aosp.
So do some more research and testing and you will find the best service for your buck (took me about 3 months to lower my bill to a suitable amount) but now its well worth it

wired tether+phone calls

I just found out today that you can be tethered to your PC and still receive and make phone calls. This is especially useful to me because I dont have internet service but use tethering for my only PC service.
edit: sorry the only reason it worked was because Hulu was buffered. I had almost a 10 min conversation while watchin tho so I was excited, but then as I thought more about it I realized it was not possable. Sorry if I got anyone hopes up.

dang you man!!!

I dont know if this is new or not, but with my previous phone (hero) i was not able to use MAPS, GPS while talking on the phone. I drove the other days using MAPS and I was talking on the phone and did not lose GPS directions.
Is that something new? Can someone confirm, cuz as far as I know, Maps uses your 3G to get directions.

It either cached its data or your are on 4g

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It either cached its data or your are on 4g
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I guess it was caching my data, but for 90 minutes? I was on the road for 3 hrs talking to my Gfriend all the time, and using gps? Are you sure? NY and NJ has no 4G yet....