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PLz recomend Bluetooth GPS and Cradles for jasjar ?

I notice a lot of you seem to have GPS up and running on jasjar.
I had tottom running on my xda2 with backpack and CF GPS receiver, but as I could not use the CF GPS with JJ, I sold it with my xda along with my car cradle which was a window mount and I am hoping to find/install something a little sturdier (worried about the weight).
So please give me some ideas on a GPS receiver working with JJ and any thoughts on car cradles.
Cheers, Numb

Your best bet would be to purchase a Bluetooth GPS receiver. There are plenty of them going around but the best one imo is the HOLUX GPSlim-236. It is based on the SIRFstar III chip which means it picks up more satellites and has a better connectivity. There are other SIRFstar III compliant BT GPS like Globalsat and the likes but the GPSlim-236 is the smallest and the lightest.
Regarding cradles for the JJ, there are many options again, but since it is rather "weighty", i suggest you buy a cradle that can be stuck or screwed onto your dashboard. I have seen the Dicota cradle which has this option and is pretty cheap too, about 15 quid if i am not mistaken.
Have fun searching!

universaldoc said:
Regarding cradles for the JJ, there are many options again, but since it is rather "weighty", i suggest you buy a cradle that can be stuck or screwed onto your dashboard.
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Actually, there are probably less than one might think. The HTC Universal has it's USB/Power connector on it's SIDE, which is where the left "arm" of most cradles grip onto it. This means you're going to have issues powering the device from the car cigarette ligher socket. I'm looking for a cradle at the moment with "arms" that are quite high up...

Oh right! I completely forgot about that. My bad! I guess we will just haveta wait and see. Maybe you can email Arkon or Dicota and see if they can come up with something.

Numb said:
I notice a lot of you seem to have GPS up and running on jasjar.
I had tottom running on my xda2 with backpack and CF GPS receiver, but as I could not use the CF GPS with JJ, I sold it with my xda along with my car cradle which was a window mount and I am hoping to find/install something a little sturdier (worried about the weight).
So please give me some ideas on a GPS receiver working with JJ and any thoughts on car cradles.
Cheers, Numb
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I emailed Brodit (www.brodit.com) a few days ago and got a reply saying the will have powered mounts available at the end of the month

TT BT GPS works fine
You can use it with Arkon support, I did, you just have to put the power cord side up.

sl9 said:
universaldoc said:
Regarding cradles for the JJ, there are many options again, but since it is rather "weighty", i suggest you buy a cradle that can be stuck or screwed onto your dashboard.
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Actually, there are probably less than one might think. The HTC Universal has it's USB/Power connector on it's SIDE, which is where the left "arm" of most cradles grip onto it. This means you're going to have issues powering the device from the car cigarette ligher socket. I'm looking for a cradle at the moment with "arms" that are quite high up...
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But if you rotated the JJ 90degrees so the usb connector is at the bottom that orientation would be nice to drop/slot into a dash mounted, basestation, that above the steeringwheel would be below my windscreen and be quite tasty for TT5, only issue then would be landscape map, which imo is slightly less revealing for the road ahead.
It could simply be velcro attached onto the dash reducing mounting issues, and you can easily make it cableless by making a hole in the dash underneath for the cable to pass through before arriving at the ciggly socket.

The destinator 3 with Globalsat BT 338 bluetooth gps receiver works well with the jasjar.....as for the cradle i bought mine from ebay and modified the two arms that olds the jasjar in place so it sits in place safely without falling off just incase i hit a big bump on the road and suddenly jumps out....i'll post a pic soon...its also a suction type holder and does not vibrate like the other pda holders.....it works well on portrait and also when the pda is on the landscape mode as the holder is adjustable.....as for the usb port, this is exactly placed under the arms of the holder so its not obstructing at all...

ok here are the pics for my jasjar cradle....
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I too have a Holux Slim 236 and it is very good. I would definitely recommend it.
I have not yet bought a car mount cradle for my JasJar. Until now I've been using a powered mount with built in amplified speaker for my BlueAngel from Silver Shield. I am that they will produce a similar one for the JasJar.
I think it would be brilliant if they came up with a cradle that can hold the JasJar with the flip open so you can actually use the keyboard on it with TomTom if you want to.

Hi irv777
Could you specify what is the make of the holder you used and maybe also where on ebay you bought it ??
Cheers

i had to modify part of the arms to hold the jasjar in place as per shown in the above pics..... but u can get them on ebay or on the website www.online-electronics.com.au also try looking at this other holder i came accross as it might be a little bit better..... http://www.thepocketsolution.com/Me...egory_Code=jasjar_accessories&Product_Count=7

The holder from pocketpcsolutions.com looks like side arms will cover usb socket & therefor you wont be able to charge it.
Regards
Colin Bate

I use an Arkon powered mount, its really good because it uses stanadard USB ports to power everything, so all you need is the standard USB cable, it also has an additional output for charging almost any BT GPS adaptor.
PS it also has a built in amp and speaker
and it fits perfectly
http://www.arkon.com/imgs_site/thumb_cm720.jpg

ice_coffee,
Are you using HTC Universal with that Arcon holder? Because if I ook at the pic it looks like the side grips will cover the USB port since it is on the side of the HTC Universal

irv777,
Thanx for the links looks good, I think it is going to be one of those two.
Although on the site of Arkon http://www.arkon.com/
Look at the Car holder for PSP it is horisontal and looks pretty steady, Question is if the Universal will fit in it ?

Yes I have a universal, these pics I have uploaded should answer all your questions, I originally bought mine for my HP2110 but it fits perfectly. However if you do get one you will have to get your own standard USB sync and charge cable or wait for arcon to officially release it.
PS I forgot to mention I have a window sucker but its fine (ie it does not fall off ~ especially if the sucker is a bit wet)

Thanx mate...
I have just realised that I can also use the Landskape Left Hnaded and then all is good with my existing holder.
You just saved me aroung 25-30 Euros
Cheers

Prophet and headphones?

Hello.. Anyone in here who has managed to find a solution to this problem?
The stock headset is very anoying IMO (The ones that came with the Qtek S200 package).
Therefore I bought a small microjack(male)-to-minijack(famle) adapter.
But when I tried to use this together with my old headphones (which use minijack) I only got sound in my left side.
Im guesing that it has to do with the fact that there is both R,L and Mic channels in the microjack port, and that they are placed in an order, in which the normal R,L microjack, will not connect to the R and L in the port!
Is this correct? And what to do about it?
Thanks

Reef, there are lots of problems with using these adapters, the connection is not steady.
It is suggested to use an adapter that has a wire between the input and output.

I use one without any problems and I get sound in bothe L and R. I am using Radio Shack adapter.

I use one without any problems and I get sound in both L and R. I am using Radio Shack adapter.

I got two
1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=9107022610&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
2) I mod the XDAiis ones, strangely, it works with my Cassette adapter full stereo. When I use my earphones, it only has right side.

acer175 said:
Reef, there are lots of problems with using these adapters, the connection is not steady.
It is suggested to use an adapter that has a wire between the input and output.
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I have several different adapters. Some of them don't make a good connection and I only get one channel (off and on). I ordered this one to use with my navigation system in the car...it has a rock solid connection and a mic! I might add that they sell Martin Fields screen protectors too. http://doml.com/productdec.asp?pid=2149&model=818p&modeln=i-Mate JAMin

http://www.tangshop.com/25mm-to-35mm-adapter.html
Works for me.
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yep, those types are good.
I'm guessing Reef has the compact ones, without a wire between the male and female.

I'm guessing Reef has the compact ones, without a wire between the male and female.
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Exactly.. But the thing is that it works perfectly when i pull i 1mm out and bend it a bit to the left.. Then there is sound in both channals..
I also bought a microjack male with no wires on it, so I gues i can try to make my own.. Just need some wire, some tools and a female minijack..
But did anyone of you know which band is the mic band? The top, middle or bottom? Cause I don't wanna waste any more money..

This is the one I have:
http://www.proshop.dk/ShowProduct.aspx?prodid=34468
Doesn't work..!

Headset
I smashed the headset that came with my 818 Pro in a car door and ruined it. I have been trying to find a replacement that is a better design (that stays on when I run), but have had no luck. I thought I had it in the Jabra C220s. This is a horribly designed product. They actually went out of their way to make it so that it will only play in the left ear when plugged into the PPC / phone. If you use the included adapter it works in stereo, but then the plug is 3.5 mm.
Has anybody found a decent pair of headphones with the microphone to work with the prophet? I imagine any 2.5 mm jacked PPC / Smartphone would be the same.
Thank you.
Tom

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tdaly001 said:
I smashed the headset that came with my 818 Pro in a car door and ruined it. I have been trying to find a replacement that is a better design (that stays on when I run), but have had no luck. I thought I had it in the Jabra C220s. This is a horribly designed product. They actually went out of their way to make it so that it will only play in the left ear when plugged into the PPC / phone. If you use the included adapter it works in stereo, but then the plug is 3.5 mm.
Has anybody found a decent pair of headphones with the microphone to work with the prophet? I imagine any 2.5 mm jacked PPC / Smartphone would be the same.
Thank you.
Tom
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Dopod makes a nice pair of earbuds made to work with all HTC devices and includes a mic. Sold separately, of course. :roll:
Perhaps you can find them where you got your 818pro?

The ideal solution is to dismantle the mic piece (where there's the mic and the headphone wires coming out), unsolder the stock headphones and solder a pair of headphones of your choice. There's a lot of info about this in the Magician forum.
The second option, as Acer mentioned, would be to use the ones with the wire between the 2.5mm male and the 3.5mm female.

i use one without wire and there are no problem at all

I use an adaptor similar to stories, and it works great.
have to say tho, the socket in the Prophet is a bit loose. No big deal tho.

yup...the headset port @ HTC Prophet is a _bit_ loose, so you've got a chance to unplug by accident...
anyway, i also use a 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter, and connected into Senheiser PX100. it's sound good!!!

Inexpensive TMC Reciever or alternative

Hey does anyone know where i can find a tmc reciever for our phones that work with igo 8 I've been searching google for the last 3 hours and i'm tired of looking so if someone could give me a hand i would appreciate it. most of the tmc receivers i've seen are combined with gps which i dont need especially for the 150 bucks they want for them.

GNS are advertising a launch of TMC only receivers.
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=72&L=1

Hi,
I have baught one TMC Bluetooth from GNS and it works fine with Igo8!! The only problem, is that for the moment, Igo8 doesn't decode TMC Premium but only free TMC.
The bluetooth one is very good because, it's hidden in the car and you don't need to unplug it when you leave the car! Exept if you want to keep it with you...

cinebob said:
Hi,
I have baught one TMC Bluetooth from GNS and it works fine with Igo8!! The only problem, is that for the moment, Igo8 doesn't decode TMC Premium but only free TMC.
The bluetooth one is very good because, it's hidden in the car and you don't need to unplug it when you leave the car! Exept if you want to keep it with you...
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Very interesting, do you mean you got this version, looped in the car radio antenna coax cable? I think it's useful to mount it hidden in the dashboard, in the end, I'd only need TMC while driving, not when using GPS apps on the Kaiser elsewhere...
How does this receiver get powered, is it supposed to be always on, and as soon as you approach with the Kaiser you can pair it?

Hi,
It isn't exactly this one, mine is the same but with different antenna connector. The connector are fakra, your link is for iso connector. But the device is the same, so you have to check your antenna connector before buying. I baught directly from germany but I don't know if they send out of europe...
For the power connector, you just have to plug the red cable to the 12v of your car. To prevent decharging the battery, I have plug it to a non permanent 12v (swithed with the key), and so you can also reset the tmc receiver.
After it's bluetooth, so you can connect near and in the car...
When you have made a bluetooth association,, you just have to create a serial port to be recognised is your gps software...
Hope it's help you.

cinebob said:
Hi,
It isn't exactly this one, mine is the same but with different antenna connector. The connector are fakra, your link is for iso connector. But the device is the same, so you have to check your antenna connector before buying. I baught directly from germany but I don't know if they send out of europe...
For the power connector, you just have to plug the red cable to the 12v of your car. To prevent decharging the battery, I have plug it to a non permanent 12v (swithed with the key), and so you can also reset the tmc receiver.
After it's bluetooth, so you can connect near and in the car...
When you have made a bluetooth association,, you just have to create a serial port to be recognised is your gps software...
Hope it's help you.
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Thanks for the tip with the switched 12v line, didn't know from their on line pictures what's the red wire for. I'm living in Germany anyway, so shipment will be ok. Damned, I mounted the car stereo myself last year, and now I don't exactly remember if it has the ISO antenna plug, albeit the stereo has a DIN connector, which is coaxial, too but larger, and I think there might be a ISO-to-DIN adapter in my Mazda Tribute, (sibling of the US Ford Escape), then I'm in luck, otherwise I'd have to order such an adapter, too. The Haynes manual or some internet research might reveal the connector type before extracting the unit again...

Heres a question, as the Kaiser doesnt have an inbuilt FM radio, but the Rapheal will do, do you think it will be possible to use the inbuild Fm radio to pickup TMC instead of using a BT dongle?

For Zoolooc:
The Red wire, is for the 12v power, the ground is made by the antenna connector.
And yes, there are adaptators for antenna connector!!
For leaskovski:
only if it can read RDS on fm radio!

I bought a TMC receiver of that company. it is built in a car power cable...
long story short: it doesn't work on the kaiser with IGO8

With my kaiser, it works... but only with free tmc...
I will try the 8.0.0.29000 witch works with Premium tmc... I'll tell you when i'll have repaired my kaiser!

cinebob said:
Hi,
I have baught one TMC Bluetooth from GNS and it works fine with Igo8!! The only problem, is that for the moment, Igo8 doesn't decode TMC Premium but only free TMC.
The bluetooth one is very good because, it's hidden in the car and you don't need to unplug it when you leave the car! Exept if you want to keep it with you...
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Which model have you baught and where?

I have baught the FM9BT-Y FKR
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=78

TMC Premium works with igo 8.0.0.41506!!!

Do these receivers work in USA? Thanks!

I think so...
Gns Products are compatible with most TMC Services (Premium):
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cinebob said:
I have baught the FM9BT-Y FKR
http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=78
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Could you give us a picture of your TMC device ?
I can't figure out, how it looks like. And their Web site doesn't help.
Thanks
Chris

HTC Sedna and Tomtom

Hi,
Have someone any idea about using Tomtom with the Sedna integrated GPS ?
Thanks.

My p6500 from orange works fine with tomtom 6 using the internal gps. Also I-go 8 works fine too.

I got TomTom 5.21 working with no problem.

Same here Tomtom v6 works a treat

I have Tomtom 6, and I can't see how to connect to the built-in gps receiver, how do I do this?
I've tried:
Change preferences > Show GPS Status > configure and the available options are:
TomTom Bluetooth GPS receiver
TomTom wired GPs receiver
Other Bluetooth GPS receiver
Other NMEA GPS receiver
But none of these work. Currently, 'Other Bluetooth GPS receiver' works with my external one, but if I could use the built-in one it would be much nicer. One less thing sliding around on the dashboard!
On the subject of GPS, what's that quickGPS all about? The manual says very little about it.

xmastree, use Other NMEA GPS receiver, then pick the correct one, on my Orange M700 it is GPS in COM9, I think the Sedna is different, my trial unit went back months ago. You check the correct one with Start, Settings, System, GPS to find what the hardware is using.
I liked quickGPS. Normally a GPS chip only knows about the local satellites where the chip is manufactured, in this case Taiwan, and does not know where to look in the sky for sats good for the UK the first time you use it. It can take up to 2 hours before you get lock. quickGPS goes to an Internet site over 3G and populates the chip with sat co-ords. My trial Sedna picked up in 2 minutes after using it.

woodvale said:
You check the correct one with Start, Settings, System, GPS to find what the hardware is using.
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Woo Hoo!
That did the trick. I also checked 'Manage GPS automatically' under 'Access'
Strangely, the settings are under Start, Settings, System, External GPS which seems odd.
quickGPS goes to an Internet site over 3G and populates the chip with sat co-ords. My trial Sedna picked up in 2 minutes after using it.
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Nice, although I wonder why it seems to want to refresh every seven days...
Thanks for the help.

xmastree said:
Woo Hoo!
That did the trick. I also checked 'Manage GPS automatically' under 'Access'
Strangely, the settings are under Start, Settings, System, External GPS which seems odd.
Nice, although I wonder why it seems to want to refresh every seven days...
Thanks for the help.
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You're welcome. I was quoting my Orange M700 settings on WM5 AKU3, the Sedna was WM6 and I trialled it about 4 months ago, don't expect me to remember the detail.
Did not spot the 7 day quickGPS refresh on mine, but I would not think this would be a lot of traffic, they're aren't many GPS satellites!

Having used the built-in receiver for a while now, I'm still not too happy with it.
Most of the time it's fine, but other times it just loses the signal and you get this effect:
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I was stationary at the time.
Comparing the built-in one and my external bluetooth receiver:
No contest really, is it?
And here I am, supersonic, somewhere over the North sea. I was actually in Kirkham, Lancashire.

xmastree said:
Having used the built-in receiver for a while now, I'm still not too happy with it.
Most of the time it's fine, but other times it just loses the signal and you get this effect:
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I've been using an Orange M700 (HTC 3600 [Trinity]) WM5 AKU3 for almost a year now with the same GPS chip as in the Sedna (HTC P6500) with no ill effects. Only downside is it is a bit slow to lock, sometimes 60 seconds, but once locked is fine. Initially it was in a screen sucker cradle but my cig socket for the power is mounted in a centre console level with the back of the drivers seat so the coiled cable was constantly springing out so I switched to putting the unit in the drinks holder way BELOW and underneath the dashboard in my personal car where you would not expect good signal but it is not a problem in all driving conditions.
We recently bought 35 Sednas and I have 3 deployed now in a live pilot not using cradles and only one suffers. His company car has a metallised screen (to cut UV radiation, a Picasso) which also stops the GPS signal. There is a small area of the screen not screened just behind the rearview mirror where we have the existing external GPS receiver that was used to supply his previous PDA cradle that did not have GPS. We will be re-fitting this to a new cradle due to be fitted in the next few days. The other 2 units have no problems, but are different cars.
I took my base build sedna on the road over the weekend in my own car without UV screening and it was as good as the M700. I even put it on the passenger seat and on the floor, still good as gold.
So I think it is your car that is the problem, you'll have to use an external GPS antenna, unless ............. My previous trial P6500 was WM6.0 but that also worked fine in my same car as now, the new ones are WM6.1, but I doubt it.
Regards QuickGPS 7 day refresh, now I have the P6500 back, it is a waste of time, you only need to sync once in the UK after a hard reset. QuickGPS was not available on the M700 so I couldn't comment before. I synced my base build P6500 2 months ago once, used it in the image to be burned on the 35 new ones and they've all picked up fine in practice.

Well the car is a Peugeot 307, and the PDA is mounted just to the right of the instrument panel. The bluetooth receiver usually lives in the centre of the dash, but sometimes if it's charging it's right next to the PDA and gets a much better signal.
If I'm going to use an external antenna, I may as well use the bluetooth receiver instead.

xmastree said:
Well the car is a Peugeot 307, and the PDA is mounted just to the right of the instrument panel. The bluetooth receiver usually lives in the centre of the dash, but sometimes if it's charging it's right next to the PDA and gets a much better signal.
If I'm going to use an external antenna, I may as well use the bluetooth receiver instead.
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Ask your Peugeot dealer about the screen (and side windows). I take it you are UK given your screenshots, so I guess to the right of the dashboard panel is below the dashboard top and near to the door pillar between screen and driver's door. I would not expect a GPS receiver to lock in these conditions, or at least be very slow and freeze, how the hell is it going to lock onto 5 simultaneous satellites with no line of sight in a car, especially if all the windows have UV screening?
NB Bluetooth GPS is an external antenna as well, it just uses BT instead of a real cable.

woodvale said:
I take it you are UK given your screenshots, so I guess to the right of the dashboard panel is below the dashboard top and near to the door pillar between screen and driver's door.
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It's not below the dash, it's on top, in clear view from above.
FWIW, during a rather 'spirited' launch this morning, the bluetooth receiver ended up in the passenger footwell and still got a better signal.
NB Bluetooth GPS is an external antenna as well, it just uses BT instead of a real cable.
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Not sure about that. The bluetooth receiver has the GPS chip in it whereas an external antenna plugged into the PDA will just pick up the satellite signals and feed them to the PDA's gps chip.

Sygic
Took tomtom off my Sedna and installed the latest Sygic v824.
Could not make iGo8 to work.

Took tomtom of my Sedna and installed Sygic latest v824.
Tried to install iGO8 but the phone keeps getting stuck.

CarKitMode mode activator (CU-S400 Emulator)

Hi,
I've installed the update for Navipanel hoping it would work now, even though I don't have the CU-S400. I start the Navipanel.exe from the exe in the Windows folder, and it starts up as expected. When I try to make a call the dialer always switches to portrait even though Navipanel is in landscape.
Could this be a dialer problem (I have the latest Energy ROM) or is it because I started navipanel by hand.
Anyone knows how to solve this? Is there a registry key that forces the dialer to stay in landscape mode? Or is there something I can do with the microusb power connector (short pins?) to force the landscape mode?
It would be great if anyone is able to give me some details on registry changes when the CU-S400 connects (can be detected using SKTracker) so I can maybe write a utility/tool force this mode without the actual carkit.
Any help is apreciated, I hate it when the device return to portrait while I'm driving.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: Nothing was available so I cooked up something myself. See post 31 for a cab file.

le_cactus said:
Hi,
I've installed the update for Navipanel hoping it would work now, even though I don't have the CU-S400. I start the Navipanel.exe from the exe in the Windows folder, and it starts up as expected. When I try to make a call the dialer always switches to portrait even though Navipanel is in landscape.
Could this be a dialer problem (I have the latest Energy ROM) or is it because I started navipanel by hand.
Anyone knows how to solve this? Is there a registry key that forces the dialer to stay in landscape mode? Or is there something I can do with the microusb power connector (short pins?) to force the landscape mode?
It would be great if anyone is able to give me some details on registry changes when the CU-S400 connects (can be detected using SKTracker) so I can maybe write a utility/tool force this mode without the actual carkit.
Any help is apreciated, I hate it when the device return to portrait while I'm driving.
Thanks in advance.
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Its more of a quick work-around rather than a total fix, but have you tried Gyrator2? Its a program that allows the screen to rotate in pretty much all programs.

Hi,
I did, but it doesnt work; the dialer goes to portrait mode, and only switches to landscape again if I hold my phone in portrait and then to landscape again.
Is there noboby who has got it working and is willing to check somethings?
TIA,
Cheers,
/Cacti

I have htc car holder CU-S400 and for me it stays in the landscape even in dialer mode.
I have tried to start navipanel without car holder but then in dialer mode it goes to portrait.
I belive it is related to micro usb on car holder.I hope this will help.

It does, thanks. I've send you a PM.
Cheers,
/Cacti

I'm in Jakarta - Indonesia.
My car kit CU S400 has arrived yesterday, in navi panel mode can we use another program beside co pilot for navigation, how to choose or change the default (co pilot).
I've ask to support center and it's been 36 hours and still no answer to my question.
hope someone can help me.
regards,
Raymond Widya

Pinout?
chavonbravo said:
Well, it seems the registry that enables/disables NaviPanel is in HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Keypad\"IsCarKitMode" with dword 0 or 1. The file that controls this registry settings going on or off is HTCApplication.dll. The 'Keypad' key doesn't exist, so you'll have to add it and add the IsCarKitMode dword value.
I can't get it to work with my a2dp stereo headphones to connect automatically, but I think this is because when doing the bluetooth handshake, some flags must not be set that show it to be a car kit possibly. Only other option would be bthutil.dll after that and see what it does.
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So, digging in some more I found this post. The IsCarKitMode registry key does exist on our HD2's, and changing it's value to 1 briefly brings up the Navipanel. But sometings ( I guess the HTC Application service) changes it rights back to 0, disableing the 'true' landscape mode. Disableing the service isn't an option I think; it handles much more then just the car kit mode. An looking at the DLL that handles the service (HTCApplication.dll) didn't give me much info; the IsCarKitMode strings didn't even exist in it.
So now I'm looking for the pinout of the CU-S400 micro USB connector. I know the three coper connections beside the SIM may have the answer, but I also found threads stating certain Mini2Micro USB adapters made the device think it's in car kit mode. Anyone with any input on how to hardwire this please speakup
TIA,
Cheers,
Cacti

Never mind, I got it working now
Thanks for all your help
I've got a working NaviPanel and landscape dialer even withou the CU-S400. It detects AC power, waits for my BT Carkit to connect and then starts NaviPanel. True landscape, even if the dialer is started and when a call comes in.
Now all I need to figure out why every navigation shortcut in NaviPanel adds the Show parameter to CoPilot, and how CoPilot knows need to Go Home, Show Recent places, Addresses of simply start.
Again, I need the help. this time from someone using CoPilot and who is willing to use SKTracker to find out what's going on. I almost have the perfect solution, I'm nearly there
TIA,
Cheers,
/Cacti

le_cactus said:
Thanks for all your help
I've got a working NaviPanel and landscape dialer even withou the CU-S400. It detects AC power, waits for my BT Carkit to connect and then starts NaviPanel. True landscape, even if the dialer is started and when a call comes in.
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Would you like to share your setup ?

Go on le_cactus,and I am glad to see that you found solution for your problem.
I am sorry for didn't send you requested screenshot,but I was on trip and I didn't have good internet connection.
I hope you will find solution how to integrate alternative navigation system with navipanel,and I hope one of them will be GarminXT.

You know I really hate when someone says "I found a solution" and does not care enough to share the solution with others, but yet had to ask here in the first place. As for the navipanel, if you connect pin 4 to ground it will start up navipanel and let you use the dialer in landscape without it rotating to portrait first. Hope this helps others finding their way here for a solution.

duplicate sorry!

iBlade67 said:
You know I really hate when someone says "I found a solution" and does not care enough to share the solution with others, but yet had to ask here in the first place. As for the navipanel, if you connect pin 4 to ground it will start up navipanel and let you use the dialer in landscape without it rotating to portrait first. Hope this helps others finding their way here for a solution.
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Yes that was Bl**dy annoying.
However here is the answer.
It is possible to modify any car power adapter to enable navipanel. You must indeed connect pin 4 to ground pin 5. However I have discovered it is not that simple, that did not work on my power adapter. The reason was this.
Most power adapters connect pins 2+3 (the USB data lines) together to identify that it is a charger capable of supplying higher power than a PC USB port. This enables "fast charge". with these pins connected the HD2 wont go into navipanel.
It is neccessary to remove the link between pins 2+3 and instead link 4+5.
This allows the HD2 to switch to navipanel mode and at the same time recognise there is a high power charger present!!
The pins look like this from the rear
* * *
* *
numbered
5 3 1
4 2
I hope this helps someone else looking for this solution. It would be great if you could buy a "proper" aftermarket car adapter for the HD2 that had this mod done!
Cheers all and enjoy!

bob_bournemouth said:
Yes that was Bl**dy annoying.
However here is the answer.
It is possible to modify any car power adapter to enable navipanel. You must indeed connect pin 4 to ground pin 5. However I have discovered it is not that simple, that did not work on my power adapter. The reason was this.
Most power adapters connect pins 2+3 (the USB data lines) together to identify that it is a charger capable of supplying higher power than a PC USB port. This enables "fast charge". with these pins connected the HD2 wont go into navipanel.
It is neccessary to remove the link between pins 2+3 and instead link 4+5.
This allows the HD2 to switch to navipanel mode and at the same time recognise there is a high power charger present!!
The pins look like this from the rear
* * *
* *
numbered
5 3 1
4 2
I hope this helps someone else looking for this solution. It would be great if you could buy a "proper" aftermarket car adapter for the HD2 that had this mod done!
Cheers all and enjoy!
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Hi Bob,
I was also annoyed ybout the missing possibility to start the car kit mode. The Navi Panel was not a problem to start with a shortcut but unfortunately the predefined connect to my Parrot hands free set via bluetooth wouldnt work. So I have to crack it on the hardware side
I was very happy about your posting and the provided solution. I plan to start a field trial with a micro USB cable, my side cutter and my soldering iron. Hopefully I can affirm your pin-bridges
But before I start, I have to be sure that I count the plug pins right. Is the numbering of attached picture right or should I have to count otherwise?
Thanks for your help.

Here I got the answer!
http://translate.google.at/translat....cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73&p=1037#p1037

original usb adaptor solved this issue
I am coming from tytn II and I have the original htc car charger, when I purchased the HD2 I found that the charger can't be used with it, then I went back to HTC store here in Saudi Arabia and asked for an adaptor (USB mini to USB micro), and it cost less than 3 USD and once I attached to the HD2 it went to the Navipanal.
I think the solution of the resistor was built in it or it is because of using the original HTC car charger (which was for the Tytn II).
Funny thing that I thought that this is natural with any Car charger till I saw this thread

CU-S400 Emulator
Hi,
I finaly got a working CU-S400 Car Holder emulator! When using my HD2 in landscape mode in my car I ran into the following problems:
The device changes to portrait mode everytime the dialer comes up
The device always goes to speakerphone on incoming calls, even though my Parrot carkit is connected. Outgoing call are routed through my Parrot carkit though. I always had to manualy disable speakerphone on every incomming call.
I have to switch on Bluetooth everytime I enter my car; having BT on all the time drains my battery to fast
Running NaviPanel (to solve part of the above problems) disables the StartMenu hardkey, and changes the Home hardkey to always change to NaviPanel instead of Sense.
The attached ZIP file contains the following files:
CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe - A modified file that is originaly used by the Via Michelin GSP software. It detects if AC Power is connected of disconnected, and the launches my HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe. It either launches with the AC_ON or AC_OFF parameter, depending on wheter AC is connected or disconnected.
CarKitMode Detect Helper.lnk - The shortcut that is placed in \Windows\StartUp to autostart the monitoring of te AC connection.
HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe - A Basic4PPC file I created. If started with the AC_ON parameter it changes the registry so my HD2 thinks it's connected to a CU-S400 Car Holder. It enables Blueooth and then waits for 2 minutes to see i the bluetooth device specified in NaviPanel settings is connected. If not, shuts itself down after disabling Bluetooth. If Bluetooth is connected sits, and waits for a call, and then disables speakerphone if it sees that speakerphone is enabled. That way the call is routed through the BT device.
When started with the AC_OFF parameter it changes the registry back, disables BT and shuts itself down.
VJSpeakerPhoneOFF.exe - The program that is called to disable speakerphone. It's part of the VJPhoneShortcuts suite that was created many years back by Vijay555. Big thanks to him, although I'm sure there are other programs that will do the same.
I've tested a lot, and can't find any battery or performance penalty for the always running helper application. And the HTC_car_kit_mode_auto only runs if AC power is connected, and then only for two minutes if the BT device isn't connected. Just unzip the attached CU-S400 Emulator.zip to the root of your device and soft reset. I tried to make a CAB file, but installing it always failes, haven't got a clue why. If anyone find a way to create this cab file, please let me know.
Best way to use this if BT is disabled by default. And it's not necessary to enable the auto launch of NaviPanel. I don't use it anymore. It disables the StartMenu hardkey, and since I don't use CoPilot it doesn't do much for me. By using these utilities I do have true landscape support for the dialer, and I works with any AC power connection, no need to modify the USB connector. I'm very happy, my in car experience is 100% better now.
Hope this helps anyone, if not I'm still happy, it works for me!
Cheers,
/Cacti

le_cactus said:
CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe - A modified file that is originaly used by the Via Michelin GSP software. It detects if AC Power is connected of disconnected, and the launches my HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe. It either launches with the AC_ON or AC_OFF parameter, depending on wheter AC is connected or disconnected.
CarKitMode Detect Helper.lnk - The shortcut that is placed in \Windows\StartUp to autostart the monitoring of te AC connection.
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Hi,
unfortunately this wont work on my ROM. I use original german ROM with all updates. If I copy your "Startup" shortcut to my "Autostart" folder I get an error message, that the application is not certified or some components are missing. I already dissabled the "uncertified" message with HD2Tweak and it works for other apps.
Best regards

extrapurifier said:
I get an error message, that the application is not certified or some components are missing.
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Hi,
At what point does the error message occur? At startup (while launching CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe) or when connecting or disconnecting power?
Cheers,
/Cacti

le_cactus said:
Hi,
At what point does the error message occur? At startup (while launching CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe) or when connecting or disconnecting power?
Cheers,
/Cacti
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At StartUp. Maybe it's because I use german ROM?