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wht r da disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?
if u compare to htc and samsung galaxy S..da ram in x10 is less. will it affect anything in performance or any limit in receiving updates?
sorry for asking a dumb Q but im curious to know..
vickysud said:
wht r da disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?
if u compare to htc and samsung galaxy S..da ram in x10 is less. will it affect anything in performance or any limit in receiving updates?
sorry for asking a dumb Q but im curious to know..
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there is always ram reserved for the OS. so the performance shouldnt be slower. just see DROD motorolla. its 256 and its super fast.
also. always use programs like task managers, it free rams for you. as soon as you leave an application, it closes and free ram
besides. how does it everyone say its 384 ? when i downloaded programs from the market place on my x10. it told me the free ram is just a lil above 256 " 270 was it ? " or something like that.
from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
metcard said:
from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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it probably make sense but thats weird. the 1.6 can only access 256....... f$$k you sony seriously :/ . what a waste. super device with amazing colors but we can only get 65k out of it only. and now out of 380 ram we can only get 256....
Do you really need to swear ?
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from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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That is an interesting point. Sounds logical, but may I ask where you came across this little nugget of information?
Also, obviously like everyone else, I want more, more, and more. But I would really like to start on the X10 with the Android 2.3. As for the speed, sure I can see it, but how much of the slight lags here and there wouldn't be improved with a better OS version? Probably quite a few. Though I really do NOT understand how SE can propose an update so far down the line and than not provide their loyal customers with the latest version. I find having to wait nearly a year for the 2.2 a bit insulting. Than to not even offer more open and honest communications with x10 owners about OS revisions, plus patching it up like a mummy to make current owners feel even more like they have to buy the next model, well, doesn't anyone at SE think that they might be taking their greed a bit too far and, their customer base a bit for granted?
I've purchased the P900a, P910i, and the X1. I never waited before, and have always bought the phone right out of the gate. I understand that SE always release their phones with slight issues, but this is getting insulting. I have been using the X10 for a couple of weeks now. I think the world of this phone, but it should not have even been released with the 1.6. Even if that means waiting, that is what makes for good customer service. Now I have not yet decided to purchase the X10, even though my provider will give it too me for free. In fact, I have decided to wait from now on before I buy any SE. I am just a bit tired of being taken for granted. The P900 to the P910 left a slight bad taste in my mouth. I had to problem solve the X1 on my own, voiding my warranty, and auto updates. Now here SE are again pulling the same s**t they have on every other flag ship model. Do they really think their new update methods and promises of continued support fix the real issues?
So back to the question. Speed, this phone and this company have much bigger issues than speed.
This is a message to any SE reps that may actually follow what their customers are saying. I am going to buy the next SE flag ship device as long as it has 2.3. and doesn't have a bunch of problems. But I am telling you right now the next time you release a device that is not ready, hoping to get even more customers midterm by offering the same phone with more, I am done. Reward those that wait, and punishing those of us who have supported you. Keep it up and I am gone!
It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by giving us more than the shipping product could use because they planned to update it.
As we all know, the UXP update is coming with 2.1 (for now) which will take advantage of the extra memory in addition to taking advantage of the 16 million color screen. Also, the new OS is faster and has a lower memory footprint so we should still have a great performing device.
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
EDIT: If you check out the Android 2.2 SDK documentation, it shows they added support for > 256MB. So, it looks like not even 2.1 has it unless companies are patching the kernel directly.
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Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
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newer models.. u mean newer Ver of X10 ? or phones like nexus/desire ?
as for x10 being really 384 vs 512, its no big deal really. no one will notice the difference.
much like how Desire has more ram than nexus
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It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by giving us more than the shipping product could use because they planned to update it.
As we all know, the UXP update is coming with 2.1 (for now) which will take advantage of the extra memory in addition to taking advantage of the 16 million color screen. Also, the new OS is faster and has a lower memory footprint so we should still have a great performing device.
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
Android 2.1 and 2.2 are already so yesterday, what a joke that they are even considering updating to either. I doubt very seriously the X10 will get the 2.3 or higher version before the next flag ship device is released. Other wise what will they have to sell next year? It is a timing game designed to make more money. And, I truly believe that SE would be so much more successful if they stopped this business practice.
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
Android 2.1 and 2.2 are already so yesterday, what a joke that they are even considering updating to either. I doubt very seriously the X10 will get the 2.3 or higher version before the next flag ship device is released. Other wise what will they have to sell next year? It is a timing game designed to make more money. And, I truly believe that SE would be so much more successful if they stopped this business practice.
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yes but not even 2.2 takes the fall ram usage of the device :/
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
yes but not even 2.2 takes the fall ram usage of the device :/
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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man.. we are fighting to get 2.2 and ur thinking of 2.3 which probably didnt start development yet ?
lol @ this. i guess u will never buy a phone.
It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by g
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
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In this comparing it would more correct let the airplane carry 33% more passengers rather then making it faster.
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In this comparing it would more correct let the airplane carry 33% more passengers rather then making it faster.
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or maybe better making air travel 33% cheaper
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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Go buy an HTC PLEASE!
bimmerboii said:
or maybe better making air travel 33% cheaper
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That sounds good too
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
man.. we are fighting to get 2.2 and ur thinking of 2.3 which probably didnt start development yet ?
lol @ this. i guess u will never buy a phone.
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Sure I will. One with 2.3
a question for everyone thinking about the version numbers......
what company has upgraded their OS right after google has released it??????
even motorola with vanilla OS phones(droid and milestone) couldnt do it till many months....
sure SE is little lagging but nothing to blame SE here .... thats how its working everywhere......
By the way the 2.3 is well into the development phase. It is scheduled to be released in Q4 which is exactly the same time the X10 is scheduled to be updated. How many phones do you think will carry the new 2.3 before years end?
A half of a year more is not that long. I will wait and see what the market has to offer come than. I only get one free phone per year and I wouldn't want to waste it on a device that is offering last years software.
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Well it terms of moving bits wouldn't moving 33% more be the same as 33% faster?
This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
With Android 2.2 Froyo out of the way, Google has already begun developing the next generation Android OS dubbed Android 3.0 Gingerbread which is expected to be released in Q4 2010.
If you are excited about Gingerbread, here is a catch that might make older handset users cringe. According to a French website WebDevOnLinux, Google will be imposing a minimum configuration for running the next release of Android.
The minimum configuration will be a 1GHz processor, 512MB Ram and 3.5 inches or more screen size. This new requirements will mean that older Android handsets will not be able to use Gingerbread unless they root it.
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citsym said:
This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
Source
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How does it affects x10?
Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.
by the time SE get around to porting it I'd probably be looking for a replacement phone anyhow. I do only have a 2 year contract.
Yeah, it's a "little" disappointing but the X10 was designed before 3.0 specs ever existed so there's no way they could have known. And at the time, the X10 was one of the most powerful Android spec'd devices announced.
Other than the older Donut OS, I think the Xperia X10 still stands competitively against all these new devices that are being announced.
I think the X10 with 2.2 will be more than good enough and perhaps the next Xperia will be designed for 3.0 out of the box.
well i guess it's a good thing we have root then
Is it not possible that the X10 could in fact have more than 256mb ram? I heard the donut only recognises a maximum of 256mb. I could be very wrong. Also could it not be referring to the ROM of which Xperia X10 has 1Gb. You know, overhall of the OS could demand more storage of the permanent variety
Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.
Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.
I dont think this will be a burden for xda developers
they got eclair and modded versions of it running the G1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iam guessing even IF this is true it won't affect us that hard. Someone will probably find some sort of ram hack or something.
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Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.
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Also, Xperia X10 CAN get Gingerbread because it has around 400 MB of ram, and if there is more needed, it can use converted memory stick space like the G1 did.
That is what I thought
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Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.
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Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).
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Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).
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That is true - we'll I'm not counting on SE to release it, so we'll have to port the next version of Android to the X10.
But these are rumours, by the way, so we don't know what'll happen officially.
The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.
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The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.
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I think you are right! We have to accept that our phones won't be the best phone forever! However it's hard to accept that, we should be grateful of what our phone can!!
I've no doubt Gingerbread will boast many great features.
However Froyo would be enough for me on this thing. I really want flash capability on this device. It would have been really handy at work whilst the world cup matches were on.
The speed increase and tethering and hotspot abilities would be appreciated too (i am aware of the market apps for tethering).
I think by the time gingerbread rolls out and becomes the main player I'd be ready for a new handset anyway.
LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?
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LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?
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They'll just be gearing up to launch their latest range of android 2.2 devices!
These guys sound like there going to be at least 1 version behind each time for the sake of that UXP.
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Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.
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Totally agree with you. Why do you guys buy Rachael when you know fully well it's 1.6?
I don't see why one would wanna buy 1.6 and whine about not having the latest OS.
It's bad enough alot of people are still having delusions about 2.2, despite Sony Ericsson announcing that 2.1 will be the next update.
Now 3.0 -__-
Some are even desperate enough to try hack it.
Seriously why not just get a Nexus One or something?
I was just talking to my friend the other day.
we both have x10's,
he was considering htc desire as a switcher because he found out that x10 doesn't meet
froyo's requirement (ram size)
I don't see any of that information on the internet.
is that true?
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I was just talking to my friend the other day.
we both have x10's,
he was considering htc desire as a switcher because he found out that x10 doesn't meet
froyo's requirement (ram size)
I don't see any of that information on the internet.
is that true?
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No, that is not true.
leegoon84 said:
I was just talking to my friend the other day.
we both have x10's,
he was considering htc desire as a switcher because he found out that x10 doesn't meet
froyo's requirement (ram size)
I don't see any of that information on the internet.
is that true?
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He may have been thinking about the specs that were "leaked" about the minimum requirements for Android 3.0, not 2.2.
I believe those minimum specs were called bunk by a Google employee sometime later though, so I'd take even those with a big grain of salt.
No. No. and thrice, No.... not true for either 2.1, 2.2 or whatever comes next!
Well, you might get stuck with only 2.1
So why worry?
flash supports 2.2+ that's why I'm worrying
hmmm... I dunno... someone else mentioned 2.1 can support flash too... personally I didn't really google for it since I don't really find it a big deal, considering my previous phones had no flash support...
But well, like I have been saying. Don't place too much expectations for Rachael, else you'll have disappointments when what you expect won't come true.
Just love her for who she is =)
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hmmm... I dunno... someone else mentioned 2.1 can support flash too... personally I didn't really google for it since I don't really find it a big deal, considering my previous phones had no flash support...
But well, like I have been saying. Don't place too much expectations for Rachael, else you'll have disappointments when what you expect won't come true.
Just love her for who she is =)
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I read somewhere that flash on 2.1 is only for sense phones which have flash lite .. but who cares lol
like missing 130mb rams will put you on hold for 3.0.
Did you ever play a game where you are missing say 100 mb of ram and the game say :"you are denial for access because your PC sucks" ?
Don't be silly. The differences between X10 and the HTC phone even evo 4g (i think it is the most adv phone on the market) have 512 mb RAM. is only 130 RAM.
I was thinking. About getting the new T-Mobile g2 when it comes out. Is it worth it to switch. I read that the new processor is even better the samsungs. Do you think. Its worth it?
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Unless you want a keyboard, of course not.
It's 99% the same phone, but with a keyboard.
I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
I know there are alot of similarities but i keep hearing that the phone has better battery a faster processor, and faster speeds in HSPA+ also witha keyboard. since I mainly use it for texting i find it hard to find a reason especialy since sliders are rare in android unless your on Verizon.(Tmobile) to not get it aside form the fact that in 3-4 months there will be alot of better dual core phones.
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I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
I'm getting one. Sexy phone. To me, at least.
The phone is not that close to a nexus, the g 2 will run much faster than the nexus with second gen chipset and supports faster speeds, better battery life, keyboard and handles flash better its def a decent upgrade and its sexy
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I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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Agreed. The specs are too close to the N1 to try to ride out for a year(I know I can't go two years with the same phone so I try to get something that won't leave me mad for more than 6 months as new hardware comes out.) 5mp camera? No sale. I'm waiting for a dual core, higher megapixels, HD out, 720p video and a coupon for a half-price on a hooker.
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I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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Mytouch HD is coming out this year and has dual snapdragon processors.
I want to see some benchmarks and reviews before getting the G2. The N1 is still a great phone.
I will be waiting for something that has specs like the rumored HD7.. dual core 1.2g processors and 4.3-4.5 inch screen and 1g of ram. When i see this I will make the switch
I would wait for reviews before upgrading. At least that's what I'm going to do.
I may hold out until after the myTouch HD comes out. Because I'm wondering how many other dual core will follow for TMobile. I'm thinking TMobile may not see any other nicer higher end phones than the G2 and myT HD until Fall of 2011.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
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Preinstalled Apps, such as Swype, run on top of Vanilla Android. There is a very small modification that we make to the framework to make Swype work properly, but this is not nearly the same as complete frameworks like TouchWiz or SenseUI. Those types of frameworks need to be heavily modified to maintain compatibility with each release. In many ways, it is the driver support that holds back rapid rollouts for different phones, Vanilla Android or not. If the kernel is a new version, those drivers need to be recompiled and perhaps rewritten, and those come from the OEMs and their suppliers.
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Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
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What are you talking about?
G1, MyTouch 3G, MyTouch Slide, Nexus One, and HD2(these are the only ones off the top of my head) all have vanilla ported onto them.
The Nexus one, Mytouch 3g, and g1 have always had vanilla android.
Godammit, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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if you'll notice, the majority of folks are not crowing about the nexus from a software perspective, or any android based phone for that matter... the big deal is (ok WAS) the hardware.
each time a new android based phone is released, people don't get excited about android version 2.x.x.x, they want the HARDWARE because in most cases if it ships android, it can run any version android. the hardware makes a huge difference.
see ?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only
I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case
I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
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I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.
http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?
That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.
Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
hough77 said:
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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stanglx said:
See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..
ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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See this -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10375484&postcount=16
czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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stanglx said:
It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
JasonOT said:
Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.