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Sprint service center cannot downgrade your phone

Well after a little discussion yesturday in the root thread about whether or not sprint can downgrade your phone after the 2.1 update I went ahead and called them and they said that it could be done. I actually called first to the sprint service center and they said it could be done. So I went down there today and talked in person to the tech and he told me that it can't be done. So wasted an hour case closed

just a thought, but if the guys here havent figured out how to downgrade hboot, what makes anyone think that sprint would be able to?

wtphoto said:
just a thought, but if the guys here havent figured out how to downgrade hboot, what makes anyone think that sprint would be able to?
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They have the source, and release keys. They can do whatever they want like make you wait six months for a very terrible update just to make you buy a new phone and then blame it on the hardware the same hardware that's going into the mytouch slide which will be running froyo. But the consumers don't know any better so they just buy a new phone

I have been there, the told me it can't be done so i made radioshack give me a new phone since i really wasn't happy with the 2.1

iliapiano said:
I have been there, the told me it can't be done so i made radioshack give me a new phone since i really wasn't happy with the 2.1
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If I wasn't giving it to my girlfriend tomorrow then I would send it to them and have them "fix it" or give me a new one I still got the box they sent me but i figure its not worth the hassle I still got one with root.

thatguythatdid said:
They have the source, and release keys. They can do whatever they want like make you wait six months for a very terrible update just to make you buy a new phone and then blame it on the hardware the same hardware that's going into the mytouch slide which will be running froyo. But the consumers don't know any better so they just buy a new phone
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Whats wrong with the update, other than it can't be rooted??? Its faster and smoother than 1.5, plus it has weather animations, etc...Whats so terrible??? I think the only ones that aren't happy are the ones who updated to the RUU without finding out what it would do IE: not rootable and those who had their phones replaced and got the new RUU without the ability to root......Since 99% of users don't root, Most won't really care...............

chfields said:
Whats wrong with the update, other than it can't be rooted??? Its faster and smoother than 1.5, plus it has weather animations, etc...Whats so terrible??? I think the only ones that aren't happy are the ones who updated to the RUU without finding out what it would do IE: not rootable and those who had their phones replaced and got the new RUU without the ability to root......Since 99% of users don't root, Most won't really care...............
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I can't stand the goddamn weather animations. Makes my phone unresponsive to touch when it first wakes up, and I can't figure out how to turn them off.

delete the clock widget, and when you add it again, after choosing clock style then city, it gives you the option to check full screen animations, just uncheck it.

danaff37 said:
delete the clock widget, and when you add it again, after choosing clock style then city, it gives you the option to check full screen animations, just uncheck it.
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HUZZAH!!!!

abcdfv said:
I can't stand the goddamn weather animations. Makes my phone unresponsive to touch when it first wakes up, and I can't figure out how to turn them off.
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Yeah I'm not a fan of them either would rather have live wallpapers. "Oh my god it's gonna be cloudy and I know cuz clouds just rolled across my screen" . Yeah ridiculous.
On another note I
cheffields said:
Whats wrong with the update, other than it can't be rooted??? Its faster and smoother than 1.5, plus it has weather animations, etc...Whats so terrible??? I think the only ones that aren't happy are the ones who updated to the RUU without finding out what it would do IE: not rootable and those who had their phones replaced and got the new RUU without the ability to root......Since 99% of users don't root, Most won't really care...............
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So much I can say but I just llike to have the option of taking and removing what I like (Hate sprint nascar) personalizing icons and so fourth a2sd.......... I could go on but really froyo and gingerbread is all I really need to say

thatguythatdid said:
Yeah I'm not a fan of them either would rather have live wallpapers. "Oh my god it's gonna be cloudy and I know cuz clouds just rolled across my screen" . Yeah ridiculous.
On another note I So much I can say but I just llike to have the option of taking and removing what I like (Hate sprint nascar) personalizing icons and so fourth a2sd.......... I could go on but really froyo and gingerbread is all I really need to say
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Basically what the other guy said, u not being able to root is the reason ur throwing a tantrum. Nothing is wrong with the update but the ability to do something that its normally forbidden.

I'll just throw in an "I told ya so"

Well I want to downgrade because the damn Bluetooth won't work with 2. 1
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thedro said:
Well I want to downgrade because the damn Bluetooth won't work with 2. 1
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Neither does 87 gas in a racecar. Look for one thats compatible

Hmm I guess I should buy a new car then since it is integrated into my 2008 prius. Thanks.
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thedro said:
Hmm I guess I should buy a new car then since it is integrated into my 2008 prius. Thanks.
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hahah, wow.

thedro said:
Hmm I guess I should buy a new car then since it is integrated into my 2008 prius. Thanks.
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Then u r sol my friend. Maybe a fix will come up if u ever get to root ur phone

DirtyShroomz said:
Then u r sol my friend. Maybe a fix will come up if u ever get to root ur phone
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First you post about wanting something that's normally forbidden...aka ROOT !
Then you just post and tell him "Maybe a fix will come up if u ever get to root ur phone "
So what is it?....... you like root or it disgusts you? Can't have it both ways.
And the ability to USE bluetooth with a new phone, either rooted or NORMALLY the way it should be is EXPECTED when we pay for them.
But I'm sure the guy welcomes your SOL attitude......

bubbacs1 said:
First you post about wanting something that's normally forbidden...aka ROOT !
Then you just post and tell him "Maybe a fix will come up if u ever get to root ur phone "
So what is it?....... you like root or it disgusts you? Can't have it both ways.
And the ability to USE bluetooth with a new phone, either rooted or NORMALLY the way it should be is EXPECTED when we pay for them.
But I'm sure the guy welcomes your SOL attitude......
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My phones rooted buddy. I'm talking about the OP complaining because he says 2.1 sucks because he can't do functions that root allow him to do. Reading comprehension > u
As far as my attitude, nothing wrong with my attitude. Some things are NOT compatible with others, plain and simple. Doesn't matter what phone you pay for, it does not mean every bluetooth ever invented will be compatible with the phone. You pay for the phone service, and you have phone service. Your cars bluetooth doesn't work with it? Sorry, i'm sure HTC wasn't thinking PRIUS when they made 2.1.
As a worker for Sprint I hate coming to these forums and hearing people complain about things that have nothing to do with Sprint and then reading about how they can "cheat" Sprint or how disgusted they are with them when it's not even Sprint. Why am I disgusted you ask? Cause all the BS customers that constantly complain come to my department (retention). I don't care what ppl do with their stuff, but don't complain when it's not needed.

Okay first things first I have two phones one with root one without. So this issue is just something that got out of hand. Just gonna touch on some things:
DirtyShroomz said:
Basically what the other guy said, u not being able to root is the reason ur throwing a tantrum. Nothing is wrong with the update but the ability to do something that its normally forbidden.
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Actually I was quite calm when I wrote that. All I hear is blah blah blah. I like how you try to put yourself in a higher position than me by demeaning me and overexaggerating my statements to twist them into what you want people to think I meant.
regaw_leinad said:
I'll just throw in an "I told ya so"
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LOL thanks
DirtyShroomz said:
My phones rooted buddy. I'm talking about the OP complaining because he says 2.1 sucks because he can't do functions that root allow him to do. Reading comprehension > u
As far as my attitude, nothing wrong with my attitude. Some things are NOT compatible with others, plain and simple. Doesn't matter what phone you pay for, it does not mean every bluetooth ever invented will be compatible with the phone. You pay for the phone service, and you have phone service. Your cars bluetooth doesn't work with it? Sorry, i'm sure HTC wasn't thinking PRIUS when they made 2.1.
As a worker for Sprint I hate coming to these forums and hearing people complain about things that have nothing to do with Sprint and then reading about how they can "cheat" Sprint or how disgusted they are with them when it's not even Sprint. Why am I disgusted you ask? Cause all the BS customers that constantly complain come to my department (retention). I don't care what ppl do with their stuff, but don't complain when it's not needed.
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Okay the only reason that I posted this was to stop the conversation in the root section. Also to confirm that sprint service centers can't downgrade the bootloader. Second thing I want to touch on is when I did this there were no fake or harassing conversations with employees I was very polite. Why would I be a **** to people that I go out of my way to look for reasons to talk to? Them and tmobile reps. Also I bought phone insurance from radioshack and was promised everything under the sun and told the guy how finnicky I am about my phone and was straight up honest with him and things that were likely to happen to it. You know what he said, "it's okay there's ways around that kind of stuff to get it handled". Now I'm out 125 and I could get a new phone through their policy got the box sitting about three maybe four feet from me but I'm not gonna.
By the way sprint does suck. They aren't as bad as at&t. And before you say why not leave them. Because I can't right because for other reasons that our my business

Idea Space

Just wanted to put this out there, this is an idea space
Couple ideas we may get going:
* Someone leaks a working Engineering / Test Build
* Find a leak in the HTC Sync software (it has to use root to do the internet sharing)
What's been tried:
* Writing to /cache or /data/local
* Mounting system as rw lol
* Anything and everything with Fastboot
* A few other things that I can't think of right now

Has anyone tried flashing the engineering leak via gold card method? My guess is... our best bet is the internet sharing. The question is how to exploit it...
Personally, I gonna try via htc sync. I already tried fastboot with no luck too. I'm not as savy as you guys but may be dumb luck will be on my side today.

Why does that internet sharing have to use root? pdanet and easytether dont?

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Why does that internet sharing have to use root? pdanet and easytether dont?
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Well I havent even figured out how to get it to share the internet. Sync works but no internet sharing yet. May be I can try something in adb... thta is a good point. I used to use pdanet all the time before root on my G1. Hmmm.... I guess we'll have to see. Im gonna keep trying. Maybe Wes might have better luck. Im not giving up. I need a good android phone w/ kb. Not returning yet...

I believe the tmobile champions slide had a test build on it prior to slides launch,at least the guy at my tmobile store said his phone was running beta a week prior to launch,unfortunatly can't find any dumps.he was talking some crazy stuff about his friend already having a patch to oc the cpu to 800mhz.

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I believe the tmobile champions slide had a test build on it prior to slides launch,at least the guy at my tmobile store said his phone was running beta a week prior to launch,unfortunatly can't find any dumps.he was talking some crazy stuff about his friend already having a patch to oc the cpu to 800mhz.
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That sounds about right. Oh god, champions slide?! Does that mean there are two different types of boards? This might complicate things a bit. I dispise when manufactors make two different types of boards for the same phone model. This is G3 and G4 all over again in the wizard subforums. I hate HTC sometimes, lol!

Don't worry sino8r, a champion is just the t-mobile term for a member of the marketing team that gets early access to a model to train the retail associates. They got a slide just like the to-market one, but it had a beta build of Eclair w/sense etc.
Not crazy 12 different boards for one phone.... At least I don't think that's the case.
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Has anyone tried flashing the engineering leak via gold card method? \
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I'm curious of this myself. I'll try it, F it, I'll send back if bricked. Where can I get the leaked build?

Its a no go on the gold card boys. Was loading for a while, then checking for a while, then right back to boatloader with no options to flash. This is based off of this leak.
EDIT: If there is another image to try, i will, just let me know.

Anyone try the method being used to root the Incredible?

This may sound silly, I haven't had the chance to really sit down and mess with stuff yet. However, with the adb shell, and the eclipse ide, is there anyway to make a mock version or virtual machine out of the slide, and then blast the hell out of it without fear of bricking?

In talks with hykuro he thinks the unrevoked method should work on all unpatched phones.
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Tried the unrevoked method, with 6 shells spamming adb, and rebooting for 30mins no go.

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In talks with hykuro he thinks the unrevoked method should work on all unpatched phones.
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god I wish he'd help a bit. He knows his stuff. we need to offer him and Paul some donations or something.

I am willing to donate some cash to the cause.

If anyone is willing to handle the pool, I'd throw $10 at it.
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And i have a hot $20.... C'mon, if we all get on this it would be worth their while.

I got some chedda on it.

Yeah, I'd be in for $20. If we get root on this thing I'm going to be thrilled. I wish I could do some of the work, but I'm a complete n00b with development, so I'd not be much help.
But I'm good for some money.

I definitely have another $20 on it if someone will get root.
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Stay FAR away from Vibrant/Captivate or any other Galaxy S variant

For those thinking about getting the Vibrant/Captivate or pretty much any variant of the Galaxy S DO NOT.
I contacted them via FB and this is the only answer they sent me
"We are working on it. We're sorry about this issue. Please be patient as we know how important this is. Thanks for reaching out!"
I have just received and activated my phone with dum, dum, dum... AT&T and this phone has nothing but GPS issues while I have to admit everything else works fine and is definitely fast.
There is absolutely no way of it accurately doing a turn by turn Navigation with Google Maps.
Ive even resorted to doing a supposed fix and nothing if anything it made the major problem worse.
Same has been reported with the T-Mobile version of the phone.
I highly regret leaving T-Mobile now because the reception was a lot better with them as well.
No wonder tons of people bad mouth AT&T, LOL.
Proof below, stick to the other manufacturers guys... Samsung is testing the waters and these phones should have NEVER been released prior to having it 100% functional.
---->> http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/5#comments

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For those thinking about getting the Vibrant/Captivate or pretty much any variant of the Galaxy S DO NOT.
I contacted them via FB and this is the only answer they sent me
"We are working on it. We're sorry about this issue. Please be patient as we know how important this is. Thanks for reaching out!"
I have just received and activated my phone with dum, dum, dum... AT&T and this phone has nothing but GPS issues while I have to admit everything else works fine and is definitely fast.
There is absolutely no way of it accurately doing a turn by turn Navigation with Google Maps.
Ive even resorted to doing a supposed fix and nothing if anything it made the major problem worse.
Same has been reported with the T-Mobile version of the phone.
I highly regret leaving T-Mobile now because the reception was a lot better with them as well.
No wonder tons of people bad mouth AT&T, LOL.
Proof below, stick to the other manufacturers guys... Samsung is testing the waters and these phones should have NEVER been released prior to having it 100% functional.
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Why didnt you wait for g2?

Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.

Ace42 said:
Why didnt you wait for g2?
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Ive bought Samsung phone before and I haven't ran into any major issues like this.
The G2 would definitely be a better option.
Thinking Im going to jump to the Sony X10, I hear that they are going to have the CyanogenMod on it pretty soon.

rwbarnes67 said:
Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.
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You're trying to come at me like everyone is going to have a working unit Barnes.
Just because YOU got lucky doesn't mean anyone else that buys it will.
There is already a "fix" in the works for units that have faulty GPS but whether it works or if its actually able to fix the issue is another story.
Read this and please don't post again if YOU don't know what you are talking about.

rwbarnes67 said:
Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.
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Maybe you are also confused, bring up an address and press the option that says navigation.
See that big blue area around your position THAT is not true GPS and it is only guessing where you are from cell towers.
Like others have said it will not accurately tell you where you are, you can not trust the voice directions at all.
That is faulty and yes Samsung, AT&T, T-Mobile and any other service provider should not be selling these units until it is fixed.

legend221 said:
Maybe you are also confused, bring up an address and press the option that says navigation.
See that big blue area around your position THAT is not true GPS and it is only guessing where you are from cell towers.
Like others have said it will not accurately tell you where you are, you can not trust the voice directions at all.
That is faulty and yes Samsung, AT&T, T-Mobile and any other service provider should not be selling these units until it is fixed.
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That Little blue arrow that tells me EXACTLY where I am on the map as I'm zooming down the freeway and accurately tells me every exit as I'm passing them? I know what I am talking about! And the turn by turn instructions work for me and it re-routes when I miss a street.
OK!!!! You all! You know EVERYTHING and I know NOTHING!
That is all! Sorry for putting in my 2 cents!
By the way, I've been on Android since the G1 in November of 2008. Rooted with the first Jesus Freke roms thru Haykuru and Dudes roms to Cyan and have been doing the same with my Vibrant.
But OK. You guys are THE EXPERTS.
And by the way, you guys never stated whether or not you own a Vibrant.

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I have nothing to say!

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By the way, I've been on Android since the G1 in November of 2008. Rooted with the first Jesus Freke roms thru Haykuru and Dudes roms to Cyan and have been doing the same with my Vibrant.
But OK. You guys are THE EXPERTS.
And by the way, you guys never stated whether or not you own a Vibrant.
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I only own G1 & Mytouch Slide, not interested in the Vibrant like my KB's.

buy whatever you want
ive gone thru so many phones since 09, from the g1(when it first came out), hd2, n900, x10 and finally the vibrant. the hd2, n900 and x10 in a matter of 4 months. didnt like windows mobile from being used to android. n900 wasnt what i expected it to be. loved the x10 but only running 1.6. i didnt root it because I eventually bought the vibrant.
only issues i had were facebook syncing and contacts being tripled and gps in searching for a location while in house, but GPS worked FINE when I was on the road. wish i had a car dock for it at the time but will eventually get one.
OP, if you knew of these reasons, such as lag or because of the gps not working properly, then why did you buy it in the first place? i dont think barnes was getting at you, but damn dude, someone's sensitive. no one told you to buy it despite some of the imperfections the phone has. its like people saying sony shouldnt have released the x10 with 1.6 but rather have froyo but they still buy it. and if your response is to root it to get 2.1 or 2.2, i dont think the avg. customer for phones would have any idea of what you are talking about.
you cant please everyone on here. alot of people on xda either want to be a mod or just bump stupid posts because they didnt get an answer within 3 hours.

Returned my Samsung Captivate and is officially back to the HTC Dream/G1 until further notice.
Feeling better already, I can always get that phone when and if the GPS issue is worked out.
That was pretty much the only flaw it has at least on the phone I returned.

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ive gone thru so many phones since 09, from the g1(when it first came out), hd2, n900, x10 and finally the vibrant. the hd2, n900 and x10 in a matter of 4 months. didnt like windows mobile from being used to android. n900 wasnt what i expected it to be. loved the x10 but only running 1.6. i didnt root it because I eventually bought the vibrant.
only issues i had were facebook syncing and contacts being tripled and gps in searching for a location while in house, but GPS worked FINE when I was on the road. wish i had a car dock for it at the time but will eventually get one.
OP, if you knew of these reasons, such as lag or because of the gps not working properly, then why did you buy it in the first place? i dont think barnes was getting at you, but damn dude, someone's sensitive. no one told you to buy it despite some of the imperfections the phone has. its like people saying sony shouldnt have released the x10 with 1.6 but rather have froyo but they still buy it. and if your response is to root it to get 2.1 or 2.2, i dont think the avg. customer for phones would have any idea of what you are talking about.
you cant please everyone on here. alot of people on xda either want to be a mod or just bump stupid posts because they didnt get an answer within 3 hours.
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In that respect I did mess up.
Was expecting the Captivate to rock my socks off but all it did was make me mad due to the GPS issue.
I didn't know of these problems until after my phone arrived.
Its stupid for Samsung to not get those fixes out asap as that is their flagship phone.
I heard the X10 is very close to getting Cyanogen on there.. definitely a major advantage there vs. the Samsung development that's going on

if cyanogen is working on the x10, then the x10 will have alot of potential.
did you switch back to tmobile since you're back to using the g1?
btw, how often were you using the gps on the road? give the vibrant a chance, im sure the kinks will be worked out.

steveruv said:
if cyanogen is working on the x10, then the x10 will have alot of potential.
did you switch back to tmobile since you're back to using the g1?
btw, how often were you using the gps on the road? give the vibrant a chance, im sure the kinks will be worked out.
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The X10 does seem like a better choice for now mainly in part to the CyanogenMod potential.
Im still on AT&T, Ive closed my account with T-Mobile.
I was using the gps on a regular basis thats why it had to be refunded as a replacement was more than likely to have the same issue.
Samsung has always had a bad track record with updating thier phones and I didnt want to be stuck waiting for an update that may take too long to be relevant.

I've just gotta jump in with my $.02 right quick here...
Not trying to piss anyone off, but damn you all cry too much! IT's A PHONE!
And on top of all that, it has an Operating System on it! So essentially, it's a COMPUTER! And what do computers have????? ISSUES!
So, quit *****ing. Flagship phone or not...It's going to have issues. It's a new device. Duh. haha
Basically, when it comes down to it, if a device were PERFECT in every standard, then EVERYONE would have one. And sense there is no such thing as PERFECT, good luck.

tribalartgod said:
I've just gotta jump in with my $.02 right quick here...
Not trying to piss anyone off, but damn you all cry too much! IT's A PHONE!
And on top of all that, it has an Operating System on it! So essentially, it's a COMPUTER! And what do computers have????? ISSUES!
So, quit *****ing. Flagship phone or not...It's going to have issues. It's a new device. Duh. haha
Basically, when it comes down to it, if a device were PERFECT in every standard, then EVERYONE would have one. And sense there is no such thing as PERFECT, good luck.
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Yeah its a phone that should work my G1, HTC Shadow all work with gps and they are old phones compared to the Samsung Galaxy S.
If you prefer not to hear my advisement to everyone about this phone, DONT CLICK ON THE THREAD!

legend, so you're using the g1 on at&t's network?
the captivate is using bing, correct? there's no google maps on there? maybe that was the problem.
i guess im fortunate to have my gps on point when i'm driving, but once i eventually root, etc, then maybe the gps will lock in almost my exact point, and not off 1 or 2 blocks.

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legend, so you're using the g1 on at&t's network?
the captivate is using bing, correct? there's no google maps on there? maybe that was the problem.
i guess im fortunate to have my gps on point when i'm driving, but once i eventually root, etc, then maybe the gps will lock in almost my exact point, and not off 1 or 2 blocks.
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AT&T network, Yes I am.
The captivate is using Google Maps but has the option in using AT&T's version of it and they both were not working.
I tested how many GPS satellites it picked up through the LBSTestMode menu and it got me no where even if there were 1 or 7 available.
Once rooted it was the same story unfortunately even with all these workarounds on xda and other sites.

Further proof that the Samsung GPS issues continue....
See Samsung Facinate review released for Verizon on SEP 9, 2010 here ------->> http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Fascinate-Review-review-r_2529-p_4.html

Kindle Fire OTA software update coming in less than two weeks

In the wake of many user complaints about web browsing speeds and other performance issues, Amazon has told the New York Times that it will be releasing a software update for the Kindle Fire "in less than two weeks." That timeframe would put this new software update about a month after the 6.2 update released at the end of November.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/11/...ta-software-update-coming-less-than-two-weeks

Oh God lol, now I have to root again....
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Well hopefully this time it will be at least a worthwhile update. instead of a no visible difference update like the last one or take away a feature like the one before that.
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Let's hope the Development get a solid kernel and Rom by then...I don't want to be stock when they update the bootloader and lock it down after all the returned rooted and bricked fires due to people testing kernels that didn't know what they were doing and then returning them.....
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Lets hope some concrete updates...... But wht about some hardware issues......
http://mirolta.com/2011/12/12/amazo...for-kindle-fire-to-encounter-critical-issues/

The OTA will be a non-issue as much as the 6.2 update was. Sure you might have to reroot but Big Deal! That took all of a 30 seconds to do again.
Stuff about Amazon changing to a locked bootloader ignores the fact that most people never root or modify their device. The ones that do are a very miniscule minority of the total users that have the unit. Besides, has any device manufacturer locked a bootloader for a device that was originally released as unlocked? I don't think so.
I bet a lot more units are returned due to some malfunction than due to some someone screwing up their unit trying to modify it.
My wife has her unit stock... no mods, no tweaks, just uses it the way it came. I have mine rooted, different launcher and tons of apps that I have loaded from Android Market or side loaded via other means. I think the device is great for the price.
People who use forums like this have a very skewed idea of how many people actually modify their devices... most never do, never know about it and don't even know forums like this.

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The OTA will be a non-issue as much as the 6.2 update was. Sure you might have to reroot but Big Deal! That took all of a 30 seconds to do again.
Stuff about Amazon changing to a locked bootloader ignores the fact that most people never root or modify their device. The ones that do are a very miniscule minority of the total users that have the unit. Besides, has any device manufacturer locked a bootloader for a device that was originally released as unlocked? I don't think so.
I bet a lot more units are returned due to some malfunction than due to some someone screwing up their unit trying to modify it.
My wife has her unit stock... no mods, no tweaks, just uses it the way it came. I have mine rooted, different launcher and tons of apps that I have loaded from Android Market or side loaded via other means. I think the device is great for the price.
People who use forums like this have a very skewed idea of how many people actually modify their devices... most never do, never know about it and don't even know forums like this.
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Exactly ... That's a well explained post

Yeah, companies lock bootloaders for concrete reasons. They are not going to all of a sudden lock the device down a month after it was released just to mess with modders. Because that is literally the only thing it would do.
The Nook Tablet, for instance... I believe the reason the bootloader is locked is because they had to as part of an agreement with Netflix to provide higher quality streaming to the device. B&N decided that annoying the tiny minority of modders was worth it in exchange for high quality Netflix streaming - something that a much larger percentage of users can benefit from and of course an extra marketing bullet point for them to use.
I'm fine with them updating the device. Look at all the Android phones that don't get regular updates. All people do is whine about NOT getting updated! The KF is some great hardware for the price but it still has issues. Touchscreen responsiveness still needs to be improved, battery life REALLY needs to be improved, and they have to fix the sleep of death as well. I will GLADLY go through the hassle of re-rooting and re-installing the market if these things are fixed.
Of course I'd prefer to have a custom ROM so I can get updates without having to redo all that stuff, but it's only a matter of time.

please, dear god, let non-rooted users change the lockscreen wallpaper

Is there a way yet to block OTA updates (that is also easy to reverse)?
Don't want to be caught with my pants down by this update if it does more than anticipated ....

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Is there a way yet to block OTA updates (that is also easy to reverse)?
Don't want to be caught with my pants down by this update if it does more than anticipated ....
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Haven't read through it, but this post seems to cover it.

ryanlbowen said:
please, dear god, let non-rooted users change the lockscreen wallpaper
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This. 10char

Also hoping for a clean re-root-only response to this update... I have it stowed away as a gift for my wife, and take it out at night to perform nerd-surgery. It would be great to not have issues right before holiday, as it's going to be enough fun explaining the different launchers, etc.

ReverseWolf said:
Also hoping for a clean re-root-only response to this update... I have it stowed away as a gift for my wife, and take it out at night to perform nerd-surgery. It would be great to not have issues right before holiday, as it's going to be enough fun explaining the different launchers, etc.
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I have nothing to contribute to this, just lmfao at your analogy of what you do late at night. ;-)
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andTab said:
Is there a way yet to block OTA updates (that is also easy to reverse)?
Don't want to be caught with my pants down by this update if it does more than anticipated ....
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Not the best solution, but it's easy: turn off wireless.
You don't need a widget for this, but it's nice. I recently installed a power control widget ( I used Widgetsoid ) to allow me to turn off wireless ( as well as adjust brightness, volume, toggle USB, and turn off GPS ).
Since I'm mostly content with my setup for now, I leave the wireless turned off to conserve battery and avoid the next update. I'd rather wait until I hear from the good folks here that the next update is OKAY before I turn on wireless and let it update. In the meantime, if I need wireless, I can check here just to be sure there is no update waiting to be pushed, flip on the wireless, do what I need, then turn it back off.
Like I said, it's not the best solution, but it works for me, and it's really simple.

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Also hoping for a clean re-root-only response to this update... I have it stowed away as a gift for my wife, and take it out at night to perform nerd-surgery. It would be great to not have issues right before holiday, as it's going to be enough fun explaining the different launchers, etc.
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Let me ask you something- same situation here.. My wife's just came in the mail today. I'd like to know more about device setup before said "nerd surgery" as I want to do a similar thing.. Did you login with your own amazon account or hers? If I login w/ hers I don't want her to get a "Congrats on your Kindle registration" type of email- as this is a surprise after all.. But- I'm also thinking that if I go ahead and login w/ mine- anything I do as far as loading apps, etc will be wiped out when she has to login w/ hers?
Sorry to be long winded- overall my main question is- Whats the best way to tinker/root/play with this thing w/o giving away any surprises or having to re-do work?

I'd leave it in the box. When my wife's came, she wanted it right away. It auto registered to MY account, not hers. Didn't add anything to it, it just happened.
I had to deregister it and then reregister it to her account. Doing so is like a default reset.
Also, it is going to auto update at least once as they come with 6.1 and 6.2 is the current. Might even be 6.3 or whatever the new OTA is by the time she opens it.

Do you remember if she got an email when you deregistered and assigned it to her account?

Dont recall. I don't read her email so I don't know and I did a quick check of my email and don't see anything either...

I definitely got an email when I registered mine.
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[Q] Buying a used Nexus One

Hi everyone,
I am about to buy a used Nexus One. I tried looking for a new one but they are nowhere to be found. I need the one that has the 850/1900 3G bands. I know the Nexus One is an old phone, but I like the size of it and it's still a powerful device. I have a few questions. I checked out a couple of used Nexus One and both of them had issues with the back return key and the home key. The guy that I'm going to meet next week assured me that everything is working fine on his device. He had it for 1.5 yr and took care of it. I have read the issues with the power button. What else should I test the unit for? Also, how can I tell that I am buying the right Nexus One for Rogers Wireless in Canada? I read somewhere that on the back battery door if it says "PB99110" this is the 850/1900. Is that correct?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Happy New Year everyone!!!

I'm assuming Rogers uses a GSM network, and if so you would already be a Rogers customer correct? You could put your sim card into the phone, boot it up and verify that you are receiving 3G and that the phone calls out correctly and receives calls correctly.
Also, you can go to Settings> About Phone> Status and see information on the phone and network. You might find some of the information you're looking for there. If you're looking specifically for 3G you would see something related to UMTS or HSPA.
Hope you figure it out, good luck.

Yes Rogers is a GSM provider. Rogers has the same bands as AT&T. So I'm assuming as long as I see 3G data on the device, it does have the correct 3G bands. Is there anything else I need to look or check for on the Google One before buying?

Wirelessgirl said:
Yes Rogers is a GSM provider. Rogers has the same bands as AT&T. So I'm assuming as long as I see 3G data on the device, it does have the correct 3G bands. Is there anything else I need to look or check for on the Google One before buying?
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I would turn it off and on making sure you don't see anything odd on the boot up and check the volume buttons. If he's selling the desk dock with it drop it in the dock and make sure it charges. Also check all of the soft buttons at the bottom of the phone. They're touch sensitive and you don't want to get home and realize the home button doesn't work at all.
Besides that I don't know what else to look for. Maybe try opening web pages, a you tube video, check for audio, etc. You might also want to double check which version of Android it's running so you know if it's stock or if it's a modified ROM.
Also, I have a AT&T Nexus One so I looked for the number you listed. I pulled off the battery door and behind the battery in the top left corner was PB99110 which you mentioned in your first post. It should be written in gray lettering on the black portion below the barcodes. Looks like if you see those numbers you should be good to go on Rogers.

"sola fide" thanks for your help. Good advice on turning the phone off and on. It does come with a charging dock but we're nowhere near a location that has a power supply so I can't test that out. I will do my usual checks when I buy a used phone, test the browser, music player to make sure the speakers are working fine, make a test call, etc. Now that I know there are issues with the power button ad soft keys, I'll test those out more. He said he never modded the phone so I'm assuming if I see 2.1 Eclair on the device, it's the stock rom.
Thanks for confirming PB99110 is the correct model for Rogers & AT&T.

Modding =/= Updating. It could be running froyo or gingerbread

Wirelessgirl said:
He said he never modded the phone so I'm assuming if I see 2.1 Eclair on the device, it's the stock rom.
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The N1 got over the air updates up to Android 2.3.6 and I believe it is version GRK39. If you are running that, it should be the latest officially supported version.

bassmadrigal said:
The N1 got over the air updates up to Android 2.3.6 and I believe it is version GRK39. If you are running that, it should be the latest officially supported version.
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Thanks for confirming that. I did end up getting the N1 and it is running 2.3.6. I want to root it to CyanogenMod but I don't feel comfortable doing it by myself. I'll wait when my brother pops by and get him to help me out. I never rooted an Android before so that's why.

Wirelessgirl said:
Thanks for confirming that. I did end up getting the N1 and it is running 2.3.6. I want to root it to CyanogenMod but I don't feel comfortable doing it by myself. I'll wait when my brother pops by and get him to help me out. I never rooted an Android before so that's why.
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It is actually pretty simple to get up and running (the hardest being getting the Android SDK set up on your computer). You can check out the instructions yourself here...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Nexus_One:_Full_Update_Guide
I would recommend following the Amon_RA steps, as it is a little less confusing.

bassmadrigal said:
It is actually pretty simple to get up and running (the hardest being getting the Android SDK set up on your computer). You can check out the instructions yourself here...
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Nexus_One:_Full_Update_Guide
I would recommend following the Amon_RA steps, as it is a little less confusing.
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Thanks for the link and the advice. I still feel more comfortable with my brother's help. Once it's done, then I might feel more confident in rooting my HTC Amaze, if there are roms for that phone. I haven't looked into that yet.

I'm having problems Installing a Custom Recovery Image. Could someone please help me?
Thanks

Please omit my previous post. I successfully rooted my phone to CM7! This is the first time I ever rooted a phone. Loving it so far!!!

You should try the MIUI rom, I have the latest one and its great in every aspect, otherwise, if you like a more 'clean' look try the Oxygen rom.

ertoalb said:
You should try the MIUI rom, I have the latest one and its great in every aspect, otherwise, if you like a more 'clean' look try the Oxygen rom.
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Is MIUI better than CM7?

Wirelessgirl said:
Is MIUI better than CM7?
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Miui is like having a iPhone with Widgets of android. Its little simpler. But since you been using android, u will like cm7. Its faster and smoother with more options. Cm has all the goodies. U will enjoy it more. If not stock I will not use any other rom then CyanogenMod.
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Try it I used for a long time CM, now I'm in love with MIUI, Maybe i switch back on a CM6 build to test the 720p recording..

sl8125 said:
Miui is like having a iPhone with Widgets of android. Its little simpler. But since you been using android, u will like cm7. Its faster and smoother with more options. Cm has all the goodies. U will enjoy it more. If not stock I will not use any other rom then CyanogenMod.
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If Miui is like having an iPhone with widgets of Anrdoid then I'm not gonna like that. I have the iPhone4 (which is up for sale, lol) and I find it boring. So far I'm really liking CM7. One thing I did notice after I rooted the phone is my speakers distorts sometimes when I play music. Is this a known issue?

Wirelessgirl said:
If Miui is like having an iPhone with widgets of Anrdoid then I'm not gonna like that. I have the iPhone4 (which is up for sale, lol) and I find it boring. So far I'm really liking CM7. One thing I did notice after I rooted the phone is my speakers distorts sometimes when I play music. Is this a known issue?
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I don't play alot of music on my speaker. I use the headphones. I am not real picky with sound and stuff. As long as it works. But distortion is not good though. You will love CM7 and more to come.
Oh yeah I also had iPhone4s. I buy iPhones so I can sell it and profit from it. I have a reserve for my next tech gadget. LOL.
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sl8125 said:
I don't play alot of music on my speaker. I use the headphones. I am not real picky with sound and stuff. As long as it works. But distortion is not good though. You will love CM7 and more to come.
Oh yeah I also had iPhone4s. I buy iPhones so I can sell it and profit from it. I have a reserve for my next tech gadget. LOL.
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I think it was me who caused the distortion. I was messing around with the phone equalizers and enabled bass boost and also had the equalizer set on bass booster. I just changed a few settings and it sounds better. I'm hoping it was my mess up and not the speakers. I really like CM7 and I'm sure I'll come to love it.
And what is your next tech gadget?

I think I got hosed. When I was asking the seller if everything was working fine on the N1 he assured me everything is working perfectly fine, even the soft keys. I tested out the phone thoroughly before buying. Everything seemed to me working fine when I was testing it out. But you can't really tell if a certain function will continue to work as I continue to use the phone. Now I'm having problems with the back soft key. I have to hit it a few times before it responds. I tried hitting it harder or at different angles and it doesn't make a difference. Any suggestions? Am I screwed?