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Just wondering. I have a Touch Pro, and have been pretty dissapointed by it's overall graphics performance. I'm not talking about 3d graphics either, I'm talking about watching videos, and other apps that have animated 2d graphics like games, web browsing, etc.
The 2d rendering of the TP is pretty pathetic given the cost and specs of the device. Especially in landscape mode... I don't know why, but performance drops extremely when rotating the display into Landscape. On apps that allow me to measure framerate, I see something like a 30% decrease in frames drawn in landscape.
Now, I haven't seen any such complaints on the X1, and I see them going on ebay for ~$600, and have seen used Touch Pro's get bid up to roughly $400, so I figure, if I can pay $200 for a nicer device with the kind of graphics performance that this generation of devices should be capable of, this might be something worth considering.
So what's the word... does the Xperia suffer from the same bad performance?
i feel it suffers from the same problem as touch pro, like the rest of the msm7xxx devices
the 3d acceleration is there, and video playback is quite smooth when converted using the program from the sticky
opera zooming and scrolling is somewhat faster than touch pro, and gps is definitely way better, but when it comes to gaming there is still a bit of lag comparing to some older models sadly (bejeweled 2 and quartz 2, you feel the jerkiness is there, but not enough to be lagging, emulation is just pathetic)
the panel selection is slow as heck, but i dont use it anyways, so i remapped the button to screen rotation
i dont see much slowdown when touch pro is in landscape mode from before, and right now not from x1 either, so cant help you there
coming from touch pro, im definitely happier with x1, but not quite as happy as with my old and busted dell axim x51...
Dell Axim X51v is definitely a very nice device. Friend of mine ordered one after I recommended it to him, and man it is nice. There are still NEW ones for sale on Ebay!! I have considered more than once, going back to a 'dumb phone', and getting one of those for my WinMo addiction, but that just seems so backwards when I think about it.
As far as the Touch Pro and the landscape issues... for anyone who 'doesn't see it', try running any app that lets you display frame rate, or any app that will benchmark 2d graphics drawing in both portrait and landscape.
Perfect example, use SK Tools benchmark, run the bitmap drawing portion, in portrait first, then in landscape. I have found that in landscape the phone scores consistently about 30% lower (less bitmaps drawn), and also, while it draws smoothly in portrait, in landscape you can see visible diagonal tearing (like Vsync has stopped working) as it draws the bitmaps.
I see this in browsing (tearing in opera mobile, much jerkier scrolling), in videos (visible tearing on anything resembling a moving scene), gaming (tearing and jerky frame rate), whereas in portrait these apps are more or less butter smooth.
I am frankly shocked that so many people claim that 'mine doesn't have this issue' when it's been on several Touch Pro's I have seen with my own eyes running various roms, and once I tell people where to look, they all come back and post how they see it.
If the Xperia doesn't have this issue, I will buy one in heartbeat while I can still get a decent price for the Pro!
I don't have issues with video playback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L1JLIwotMw
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Dell Axim X51v is definitely a very nice device. Friend of mine ordered one after I recommended it to him, and man it is nice. There are still NEW ones for sale on Ebay!! I have considered more than once, going back to a 'dumb phone', and getting one of those for my WinMo addiction, but that just seems so backwards when I think about it.
As far as the Touch Pro and the landscape issues... for anyone who 'doesn't see it', try running any app that lets you display frame rate, or any app that will benchmark 2d graphics drawing in both portrait and landscape.
Perfect example, use SK Tools benchmark, run the bitmap drawing portion, in portrait first, then in landscape. I have found that in landscape the phone scores consistently about 30% lower (less bitmaps drawn), and also, while it draws smoothly in portrait, in landscape you can see visible diagonal tearing (like Vsync has stopped working) as it draws the bitmaps.
I see this in browsing (tearing in opera mobile, much jerkier scrolling), in videos (visible tearing on anything resembling a moving scene), gaming (tearing and jerky frame rate), whereas in portrait these apps are more or less butter smooth.
I am frankly shocked that so many people claim that 'mine doesn't have this issue' when it's been on several Touch Pro's I have seen with my own eyes running various roms, and once I tell people where to look, they all come back and post how they see it.
If the Xperia doesn't have this issue, I will buy one in heartbeat while I can still get a decent price for the Pro!
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there is a youtube video which show x1 vs touch pro in switching to and from landscape with various programs loaded...
x1 won
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I don't have issues with video playback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L1JLIwotMw
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Um... dude... yes, you do. I saw several pauses/stutters in the video playback on the Xperia, to the point that the videos on the two devices became more and more out of sync the longer you watch the vid. They were almost spot on at the beginning. Also, even in the relatively low quality Youtube vid, you can see some tearing here or there on quick moving scenes. Overall it's not bad and probably 90% of people wouldn't care or notice.
I will say that your vid played better than what I currently get watching vids on TCPMP on my touch pro though.
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Um... dude... yes, you do. I saw several pauses/stutters in the video playback on the Xperia, to the point that the videos on the two devices became more and more out of sync the longer you watch the vid. They were almost spot on at the beginning. Also, even in the relatively low quality Youtube vid, you can see some tearing here or there on quick moving scenes. Overall it's not bad and probably 90% of people wouldn't care or notice.
I will say that your vid played better than what I currently get watching vids on TCPMP on my touch pro though.
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tcpmp and coreplayer lag big time when i play vid, but quite smooth with windows media player
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Um... dude... yes, you do. I saw several pauses/stutters in the video playback on the Xperia, to the point that the videos on the two devices became more and more out of sync the longer you watch the vid. They were almost spot on at the beginning. Also, even in the relatively low quality Youtube vid, you can see some tearing here or there on quick moving scenes. Overall it's not bad and probably 90% of people wouldn't care or notice.
I will say that your vid played better than what I currently get watching vids on TCPMP on my touch pro though.
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sharp eyes. I'm probably that 90% that won't tell the difference (even after you tell me)
zenkins what app are you using to play that movie?
coreplayer
For those who don't know, HTC has opted to not pay for the accelerated drivers for the X1. The same can be said for the Touch Pro and the Touch HD. HTC has a long history of doing this at least as far back as the Kaiser which. Even the president of the company acknowledged the issue and promised to make the drivers available. To this date, the drivers are still not available and HTC has been either non-responsive on the issue or customers have been advised to either live with it or upgrade to a newer, more expensive device which STILL does not have the proper drivers. Unless HTC gets its house in order as pertaining to these video drivers, this is the last product of theirs I will be purchasing. By the way, there have been a number of threads concerning this issue in both the X1 forums and forums for the other devices I've mentioned. Anyone who does not see the issue is either not looking hard enough or the standards are so low as pertaining to video quality that they truly don't care, but at this price premium it's really hard to justify.
Call me crazy but I was hoping that since the x1 was commissioned by Sony, that maybe they opted to pay for the drivers that htc does not. I understand that htc made the device.
So I have been reading alot about the camcorder on the Evo and I do own one. So I record for example my Street Fighter Videos with my phone and post on youtube, I've noticed that regardless of settings I put in the camcorder that I get shadowing and blurring (on my new better phone) than I didn't have on my Palm Pre.
On a different note, I used Qik and Qik seems to keep up with my tv and actually does a really good job but when I put it on the computer and play, you can tell its compressed alot..
So inconclusion is this the type of issue everyone is talking about with the FrameRate
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So I have been reading alot about the camcorder on the Evo and I do own one. So I record for example my Street Fighter Videos with my phone and post on youtube, I've noticed that regardless of settings I put in the camcorder that I get shadowing and blurring (on my new better phone) than I didn't have on my Palm Pre.
On a different note, I used Qik and Qik seems to keep up with my tv and actually does a really good job but when I put it on the computer and play, you can tell its compressed alot..
So inconclusion is this the type of issue everyone is talking about with the FrameRate
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No, the video recording has nothing to do with the framerate. It's all about the compression HTC put on the video output of the camera. That being said, however, the framerate does tend to drop in low light conditions.
I was surprised when I hooked the phone up to my wd live plus on a 720p tv and saw the quality (for what it was, a cellphone). Here's a couple links of the test shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frbT3hs3KYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmFQe40w4UQ
It sure beats the crap outta the moment's camera.
Sorry about the settings. I recorded in 720 but it's only going as high as 480 when I play it back. This is my first time uploading video to youtube so I don't know all the ins and outs.
awesome quality videos man.,.. i commented
youtube likes to convert it to low res for compatability, and after about 30-40 mins it will have the HD vers
Here's a video test indoor looking out a window at 720p. Figure it's semi on topic. I'm pretty impressed by the epic's camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwnQDCzwko
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Here's a video test indoor looking out a window at 720p. Figure it's semi on topic. I'm pretty impressed by the epic's camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwnQDCzwko
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****in AMAZING
I should record the same thing at the same time, side by side with the evo and epic. I don't know how to do that neat effect of either splitting both in half and paste one half on the other. I suppose an easier thing would be full video side by side at the same time. I erl have to find out how that effect is done.
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i will try to do a side by side comparison of the 2 devices.. you have to do some type of adapter so you can record both at the same time. Lets see what i can do. and hope that i dont loss quality in the conversion
What surprises me is that there doesn't seem to be much difference between 480 and 720 record modes. I shot a quick video showing my new roller rockers on my car with the epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWJBtAfs3CQ
It takes pretty good video I think.
Lanikai beach in hawaii w/ epic 4g. I figured i'd post this on XDA forums too, sorry about the sound it's only windy at the start. This was just a quick test to see how clear it was without changing any settings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6PiSqDhfU&hd=1
Hello , I instaled eb13 via samsungs downloadable exe and the first time it was really laggy and buggy so I thn went into basic system recovery and iped data and such and then did it again and now I have an awesome smooth runnign froyo aside from the browser checkerboard and the video camera. Tghe browser I can deal with but what gives witgh the video camera? It is horrible when your moving quick its extremely blurry. This was not the case before and there is no real logical reason for the downgrade. I don't get it since I'm on a bug free froyo now. Anyone found a fix?
I have the same issue
Same here with the camera. Dunno about the browser as I use Dolphin HD.
The camera only presents the lag in low-light conditions it seems. It did not do that with DK28 or DI18.
Some users report not having this issue but do not mention low-light vs. high-light.
Ran update through Samsung's exe.
i've noticed this as well
Damn this sucks.....I lways braged to my girl that the recording was better vs her evo shift lol. Now its eaxctly the same. What a crock. I doubt they'll reease an update to fix it with there laz asses. I'm rlly just wondering if its an issue with the method of installing or eb13 in general and or if devs can fix it.
Yup, I didn't know I had this issue until coming across this thread. The video is fine in good light conditions but recording in low light produces blurry and bad video
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Yup, I didn't know I had this issue until coming across this thread. The video is fine in good light conditions but recording in low light produces blurry and bad video
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YES, its all because of low lighting. I took a video today and the quality is AMAZING, I love my epic
except for the fact that now we can't saves picture messages. Once they fix that and the checker boarding on the browser--this phone is perfect.
I'm trying to remember if it was Sprint who released an update shortly after the Moment's camera fiasco (same thing..updated to 2.1 and camera went laggy) or if it was a developer who fixed it and released it on SDX.
Anyone else remember that?
Same here
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ae69ae said:
YES, its all because of low lighting. I took a video today and the quality is AMAZING, I love my epic
except for the fact that now we can't saves picture messages. Once they fix that and the checker boarding on the browser--this phone is perfect.
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to save picture messages, long press on the message and select "attached items." you can then check the item and hit save button to copy to sd
Same here in low light on highest res setting.
YES!!! I think I might have been the first to point this out yesterday...desparately need a fix
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YES!!! I think I might have been the first to point this out yesterday...desparately need a fix
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BUMP!
This an absolutley tragic problem ,lol. I have recorded outside and its still blury when moving so idk.
Would like to get this looked at asap....just switched from evo to epic for the camera and froyo......actually mostly for the keyboard I'm loving it..
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Yeah, video recording is totally screwed up. The framerate drops along with the lighting/increased ISO. My room is dimly lit right now, and I can point it at my monitor and it records at a nice smooth framerate, but as soon as I pan over to a dimly lit area of the room, the framerate tanks to like no higher than 5 fps. I didn't expect EB13 to be much if any better than DK28, but so far it's worse. How can Samsung drops the ball every time, and they spent how many months working on this update?
Im really having no problems after wiping data and cache and all that and then flashing besides this problem with the camera. It seems to be a problem for 95% of us. How did the other 5% not get this problem lol.
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Im really having no problems after wiping data and cache and all that and then flashing besides this problem with the camera. It seems to be a problem for 95% of us. How did the other 5% not get this problem lol.
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Or the other 5% haven't figure it out yet...till they need to record something like us
Here's what I think is going on with the video problems:
I've looked at videos I shot on Eclair, and in low light it just didn't have any sensitivity at all. Anything below an average room lighting was just pitch black. But, the video stayed smooth.
On Froyo the camera app appears to try to reduce the frame rate to increase the sensitivity of the camera. You can see images in VERY dark environments, but with only a few frames a second.
Neither option is very good but I think I like dark video over 4 frames a second.
I'm guessing there is a hidden parameter somewhere that controls this. Something like a mimimum ISO setting.
Yea its a pain in the ass because of what it considers low light. I live in an old house so evenwith the lights on where I can see everything with my eyes the camera decides that its low ligt. So basically to have reg freamerates I have to be in a warehouse or outside in the sun? This is not acceptable lol. I like to take videos out and about at night and at concerts wich is usually dark.....as well as at m home of my daughter and now I can't. Hopefully your right and it meanss someone can go in there and change it back.
As you all know by now, today HTC and Sprint announced the release date for the HTC EVO 4G LTE.
I am excited as anyone about this phone. However, there is one area that I am VERY disapointed about: video recording quality.
In my opinion, HTC has so far been un-able to make a cell phone that can record good quality HD video. It's even more puzzling since apparently both HTC and Sprint were really promoting the camera on the phone at the press event today.
I have no issue with the quality of the still photos - my original EVO takes pretty good stills.
I saw a sample of video shot with the European version of One X, and it suffers from the same issue as my EVO - jerky video!
Shot in 1080p outdoors, at the highest quality setting, the video looks as if it were shot at around 20fps rather than 30fps. Pans and objects moving across the screen were jerky.
My EVO has always had this issue, which has prevented me from shooting much video with it. The camera is great, but I want to be able to carry a camcorder with me always. My mom's two year old Epic Galaxy S has been able to shoot smooth HD video from day one, and I've always envied it.
There is no video I can shoot with my EVO that I would want to burn to DVD or shoot important events with, like birthdays, holidays, etc.
Some bigwig from HTC was quoted comparing the One X's camera with that of the iPhone 4S. But I know the 4S shoots smooth HD video as well.
I'll probably at least go into Sprint and check it out myself, but I don't expect to have different results then that fromthe reviewer.
Have any of you (who can review video quality with a critical eye) noticed what I'm talking about?
I don't understand why HTC can't get video recording right!
Didn't notice the recording problem on my EVO, but could be the ROM I'm using. Also on the new One X, the videos I've seen look amazing. Don't know which one you saw, but I thought it looked great. Perhaps issues uploading or the video stabilization was turned on in the video you saw? It's not going to be like a 60 fps camcorder, but if that's what you are expecting out of a tiny phone camera, your expectations may be too high.
What other phone has better video? Looks the same as iphone 4S video and no one complains about that. A small sensor has limitations and it isn't going to get better when you post it to youtube and they compress it. No phone is going to make quality DVDs for your events. What's wrong with getting a camcorder with a sensor twice the size or a triple sensor if you have the funds? Seems they are getting video recording done just as well as any other phone to me. These are phones.
Well, maybe I'm a bit more critical than most. I work in video and perhaps my eye is more sensitive to the various aspects of video.
I'm not talking about sharpness, contrast, color saturation, etc.
As I mentioned, both the iPhone 4/4S and Samsung's Galaxy line of phones do not have this issue.
Try this: film 20 seconds of either relatively close fast moving objects like car traffic, or else pan in a circle at a somewhat faster than pleasing speed.
If you look closely, you will see very slight jumping in the video. It's not going to jump out at you (excuse the pun).
It's not a compression issue, that would result in a more blurry or pixelated image.
I realize we're talking cell phones. But both Apple and Samsung do not have this issue. I REALLY want to love the EVO LTE, I'm eligible for an upgrade in June!
Video recording on my evo was horrible as well ...like unusable horrible ..super choppy and laggy all the time. My brothers was exactly the same. My phone was rooted flashed multiple roms, video was always choppy... brothers phone never rooted...video was always choppy
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No I gotcha, I'm critical as well. That's why I wouldn't use ANY phone for capturing video for an important event. A camcorder is the only thing that will do.
However the samples I've seen look every bit as good as the iphone 4s or samsung videos. Of course the One X does seem more geared towards photos and have to say it definitely beats the others there. Also if you pause the One X videos you can still clearly see everything and even grab a frame as a picture. The Samsung videos get blurry so I wouldn't try it with the Nexus. Can't say I notice any change in fluidity from iphone 4S videos to One X videos, but again I don't know which video you are talking about. If there is any difference it is slight. All phones have this issue as they are just not going to match the smoothness of a quality camcorder and definitely not professional camcorders. Even then I notice the difference with motion interpolation on high refresh 120 hz and 240 hz TV's so I know what you are saying.
Perhaps best to withhold judgment about video on phone that isn't out yet. Once it's on youtube it just isn't going to look as good.
EDIT: I did find a One X video that looked horrible, it was a close up and the exposure was constantly changing, but did notice jumpiness when panning. Can't tell if it was due to being uploaded on youtube, but if it did happen on the phone it looks like it is having trouble with quickly writing to memory. It doesn't do it constantly so that may be the issue. When you have trouble with your EVO 4G are you directly shooting video to the SD Card? That may be your problem. The lag causes a frame to be skipped here or there. A larger buffer would correct this issue (well until it fills) or higher memory bandwidth. This also happens when uploading videos or converting the file format. Perhaps a result of poor conversion from RAW to 3gp. Still I wouldn't worry about it as there is a way to go until June and the hardware version may change. If there is an issue I'm sure they are aware of it.
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When you have trouble with your EVO 4G are you directly shooting video to the SD Card? That may be your problem. The lag causes a frame to be skipped here or there. A larger buffer would correct this issue (well until it fills) or higher memory bandwidth. This also happens when uploading videos or converting the file format.
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Well, yes. the EVO has so little internal storage, and video file sizes are large compared to other file types.
But then, my mom's Samsung also wrote directly to the SD card, and it's still very smooth.
I will try to find that example I was speaking about and post a link. It was shot outdoors in daylight, near a flower stand if I remember correctly.
And for sure I will definitely check it out myself before writing the phone off.
As far as the phone not having the same quality as a "real" camcorder, sure. but you know the old saying, "The best camera is the one you have with you". My phone is ALWAYS with me. And I do think the quality is getting to the point where I can shoot casual everyday stuff that I may want to archive for the future, even edit.
Here is a link to the sample I was referring to.
This is from the HTC One X, which I believe has the same camera as todays announced EVO LTE. Pay particular attention to the panning at about the 1:10 mark.
And this phone has no SD card, so it was recorded to the internal memory.
Also, while you may wish to blame YouTube, this is how video recorded on my two year old EVO looks.
http://youtu.be/xOv4tjB7HMQ
Better than the one I found, but SD Card or not that is still the issue. I know that the version of the One X used for this does not have an SD Card. The Sprint one will. Either way, uploading it to youtube can cause this problem as well. And if you record to your SD Card on your 2 year old EVO and use a slow card you will see this as well. That may be your issue though it isn't for the One X. If it's internal then another phone might be your best option.
These are frames that get skipped either due to trouble encoding, small buffer, or memory speed problems. The iphones never seem to have this issue like Androids do (probably due to all the stuff running in the background and iOS's control over apps). Can tell when it happens in the video and it starts skipping. It's the same as when you are video conferencing and frames get dropped due to bandwidth. This isn't normal and guessing they would be on that. As far as the rest, still looks as jagged as any other phone with motion. If you use post processing it can help.
Here's on I saw that looked about as decent as other phone videos
One X 1080p sample
with cars going by like you mentioned. Have to say it looks clear when you pause on passing cars. Fast pans aren't going to impress on any phone (or many camcorders in my experience) and I don't know what else to say about it. Hopefully they fix what is bothering you and if not I guess you gotta go with another phone.
OK, you got me motivated to check out several youtube videos. I will give you the YouTube effect. Even though I have seen Galaxy and iPhone 4S clips Played back on the phones without the jumping, the YouTube samples did exhibit the issue.
While I wait for the EVO LTE to arrive at Sprint, I will change the video recording folder on my EVO and see if that makes any difference. I will also test the new EVO and cross my fingers. Everything else looks great and I'm hoping the video recording will pass my stringent tests!!!
So I checked, and I can not find any setting on my EVO to have the camera record video files directly to internal storage. In fact, there is no setting at all as far as location of recorded video and photos. Apparently the EVO is designed to record directly to the SD card and there is no other option.
However, in thinking about this studdering or "jumping" issue, it doesn't make sense that it would be related to the SD card anyway.
The phone would buffer recorded video before it writes it to the card. If the buffer ran out, perhaps video would jump or skip, but it would be at random times. The issue I'm talking about happens consistently during the video, like I said, it looks like video shot at about 20 fps.
Besides, I've used the same SD card in my mom's Samsung Galaxy, and video is very smooth.
So it's not the SD cards fault.
OP I'm with you. Camcorder on my Evo or better yet HTC phone if pure crap. Low light shooting is the worst I've seen on a phone. My Xoom, wife's ipad and daughter's Epic all take great low light and non jerky videos. People need to compare on hand with different devices before saying the Evo is okay, because it's not. That's my only peeve with htc phone and my next phone I'm going to make sure the video department is almost as good as the iphone 4s if not better, because iphone 4s take stunning video especailly low light.
I have been scouring the web looking for a fix for my Evo 4G video quality.
If anyone finds a fix please post it here.
Phone is rooted with CM7.1.0