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Hi all,
I know there are plenty of threads about the TyTN bluetooth issues, but my questions differs in two ways which I have yet to come across:
I do NOT have M$ VoiceCommander installed (and don't want to install it)
My bluetooth issue relates to my car's handsfree feature - my TyTN randomly connects and disconnects. Apparently Audis, VWs, BMWs, and Acura's all suffer from this this problem.
The situation:
When I start my car, the phone will successfully merge with my TyTN. Approximately 30 to 60 seconds later, the connection will be lost. Shortly after that the connection will re-establish itself, then it will disconnect itself a short period later. This pattern repeats endlessly.
I've tried each of the following Tweak programs but none have helped.
jetwaremobile
Tweak2k
HTweakC
I've heard that there is some kind of registry tweak that will prevent the bluetooth stack from disconnecting from my car's handsfree feature, but after looking for about 2 days now, I can't find it. Can anyone help?
thanks.
jm
Yep, got exactly the same on my BMW 630....
Can t find any tweak but....
I am a heavy email user (thru BlackBerry connect) and I noticed that
the higher the number of messages stored, the higher disconnections appears.
At the same time, the TyTn is slower and slower....so my idea that this is related to some timeouts somewhere....
For your complete info, the MS bluetooth stack in my previuos S100 have able to.....immobilize my 630 !!!!!!!!! yes, incredible...
The MS stack messed up with the BMW bt ...and this later would stay ON for ever...even after switching car s power off.
This was sucking the car s battery untill the car would start !...
BMW could not reset the BT module unless disconnecting battery....but...then the active steering had to be re adjusted with the proper BMW computer...
This is a real story.
johnmclean said:
Hi all,
I know there are plenty of threads about the TyTN bluetooth issues, but my questions differs in two ways which I have yet to come across:
I do NOT have M$ VoiceCommander installed (and don't want to install it)
My bluetooth issue relates to my car's handsfree feature - my TyTN randomly connects and disconnects. Apparently Audis, VWs, BMWs, and Acura's all suffer from this this problem.
The situation:
When I start my car, the phone will successfully merge with my TyTN. Approximately 30 to 60 seconds later, the connection will be lost. Shortly after that the connection will re-establish itself, then it will disconnect itself a short period later. This pattern repeats endlessly.
I've tried each of the following Tweak programs but none have helped.
jetwaremobile
Tweak2k
HTweakC
I've heard that there is some kind of registry tweak that will prevent the bluetooth stack from disconnecting from my car's handsfree feature, but after looking for about 2 days now, I can't find it. Can anyone help?
thanks.
jm
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I have the same problem with a CK3100 kit, don't have a solution, but would like one, didn't have this problem with a Jasjar nor Wizard
TyTN bluetooth | random disconnect when using car handsfree - more details
Thanks for the replies so far.
Although the following thread did not help me with my problem, it might help one of you. If you're having problems mostly related to issuing voice commands using M$ VoiceCommander, I think there *might* be a solution in that other thread for you.
Just to reiterate my problem; my TyTN keeps randomly connecting and disconnecting from my car's built-in hands free bluetooth device.
There was a time when if i managed to made a call after first starting the car - before the first random disconnect - the phone would remain connected until the next time I started the car. That no longer appears to be the case.
-jm
I solved the BT problem with my Orange SPV M3100 by setting it to never switch off the display automatically (only switching off the backlight after 20 seconds or so). I also use an in-car charger to power the TyTN. The car is an A6 with RNS-E (BT enabled) and TyTN works fine and never loses the BT connection as long as the display is active.
This is a mid-term solution though and I'm still eagerly waiting for a ROM update that will solve the problem for good.
Has anyone tried a ROM with aku 3.3?
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Has anyone tried a ROM with aku 3.3?
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Yes.
And on my CK3100 I now no longer get disconnects. I did have to uninstall jetware as it wasn't reliable. My TyTN now connects perfectly and no longer drops.
One thing I did find is that the TyTN hates it when more than one handsfree device is in its trusted list. Make sure that the ck3100 is the only handsfree device paired.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=247520&highlight=bluetooth+keeps+disconnecting
ajax007 said:
I solved the BT problem with my Orange SPV M3100 by setting it to never switch off the display automatically (only switching off the backlight after 20 seconds or so). I also use an in-car charger to power the TyTN. The car is an A6 with RNS-E (BT enabled) and TyTN works fine and never loses the BT connection as long as the display is active.
This is a mid-term solution though and I'm still eagerly waiting for a ROM update that will solve the problem for good.
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I've tried changing the automatic switch off setting and it made no difference on my SPV M3100 (with Parrot CK3100) - I reckon that the external power is what fixed your problem (this has worked for others too).
Sadly it's not a convenient fix as I like to leave my phone in my pocket when I'm in and out of the car. Orange say there is no 'issue' so there's no sign of a ROM update but HTC know of the problem but I have to wait for Orange to release their ROM update. I can't use the HTC update. If only us Orange users could tell them enough times they might listen now that some AKU 3.3s are being released. Orange technical department won't speak to end users like me - they have actually refused to discuss it with me and just pass messages back and forth from customer relations. Any other ideas?
A solution - thanks to Parrot
Yippee - thanks to Parrot I have got a solution to the TYTN / CK3100 problem (my phone is the Orange SPV M3100).
As Orange and HTC can't find any solution I kept asking Parrot for ideas. Their excellent customer service department tried various settings which made no difference until I was offered a trial of some beta test software called VCF creator. Once you have the VCF from the PC's Outlook you just need to beam it by BT across to the CK3100 and alter some settings (takes 5 minutes maximum). The small sacrifice is that you don't have auto-synchronisation so if your numbers change a lot you will need to do another VCF upload. The extra bonus benefit is that all your numbers will be grouped together. So, for example, you access someones name and then you can see their mobile/home/work number rather than having a separate line in the main list for each phone number. The problem is a result of how Windows Mobile phones provide the data. With this bonus you can then use voice activation to input a name followed by a keyword mobile, home, work etc. Fantastic!
587dan said:
Yippee - thanks to Parrot I have got a solution to the TYTN / CK3100 problem (my phone is the Orange SPV M3100).
As Orange and HTC can't find any solution I kept asking Parrot for ideas. Their excellent customer service department tried various settings which made no difference until I was offered a trial of some beta test software called VCF creator. Once you have the VCF from the PC's Outlook you just need to beam it by BT across to the CK3100 and alter some settings (takes 5 minutes maximum). The small sacrifice is that you don't have auto-synchronisation so if your numbers change a lot you will need to do another VCF upload. The extra bonus benefit is that all your numbers will be grouped together. So, for example, you access someones name and then you can see their mobile/home/work number rather than having a separate line in the main list for each phone number. The problem is a result of how Windows Mobile phones provide the data. With this bonus you can then use voice activation to input a name followed by a keyword mobile, home, work etc. Fantastic!
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If you use the Jetware BT software you can do the same thing e.g. beam the whole contact list in one go and then set the Parrot to not sync by choosing the Ericsson No Sync profile. This is how I have mine set up, also with the Jetware software it sends over the Service Provider, Battery and Signal strength settings to the Parrot, something which the native stack doesnt do.
Solution for this
Hey all, i have purchased a parrot 3100, the software in it was 1.6, i had the same problems but it's greatly and successfully solved using the new jetware 1.3 . i don't know if i can post some linx here, but here you go, if this is illegal for this site please remove them
http://rapidshare.com/files/30296941/JetWare_1.3.rar
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PL5UX5KC
I have been trying to pair my Nike with my BMW In built bluetooth system. It finds the unit I put the pin, make sure there is a tick in the 'hands-free' and click finish. After a few seconds the device resets itself and continues resetting unless I turn off my bluetooth on the phone. Any ideas? I've tried multiple roms (tom's to mary to asia) with same result. I've also tried a piece of software called Jetwaremobile..
Any ideas appreciated...
Thanks.
Chris
A option worth trying might be to change the way the phone appears on a Bluetooth conection. Some Roms set their bluetooth id as PocketPC which very few car kits would see as they were looking for phones.
Look at modifying a registry entry.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys\COD
the default is 5898764 (Decimal) which is "Telephone (Smartphone)" which you would think would work but you could try changing to 5374476 (Decimal) which is a normal phone.
This may fix your issue,
Crammy
Thanks for the suggestion mate but no joy. I tried it and it still continually loops resetting my phone
I work in a BMW station in Belgium. I drive every day with another one and every day I connect my niki with the car. no problem.
I'm speaking about cars with I drive not cars like E46, X3 or older.
Has anyone had any problems pairing their X1 with any Nissan or Inifniti cars? There seem to be some mumblings on the web about their cars and WM6 devices and I've had no luck getting it to work on my '08 G35. Thanks.
bluetooth pairing
i just checked the aproved phone list for your g35 and the x1 is not aproved by infiniti. only certain phones will link to our cars others will not
I have an 08 G35 and have no prob. pairing it with my car. How are you pairing this up with the car?
it also depend if you both have navagation or not
elee888 said:
I have an 08 G35 and have no prob. pairing it with my car. How are you pairing this up with the car?
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I don't have the navigation so I just click the phone button, tell it I want to pair a new device, and have my X1 start searching. At least now I know it can be done. Thanks for the reply
Well... I do have the navigation. So maybe the pairing process is a little different. But it should work though, it even allows me to download the whole phonebook into the car. Something my other phones in the past did not allow me.
baashha said:
Managed to solve this now.
Of course both Merc & SE didn't have any good solutions.... so had to continue googling & XDA-ing... This is what I did:
i.) Jetware, as I posted earlier has been removed.
ii.) I still had the SAP Profile addition downloaded from one of the forums in XDA on.
iii.) Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys\COD
the default is 5898764 (Decimal) which is "Telephone (Smartphone)" which you would think would work. Changed to 5374476 (Decimal) which is a normal phone.
iv.) Restarted the phone.
v.) Started the pairing process from the car - failed as per before.
vi.) Started the pairing from the phone, and they work!!
Now, they pair automatically as how they would before....
Ram
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this is how i got mine working with my pioneer deck.
here's the link to the SAP Profile he was talking about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=997872&postcount=166
hope this works for you.
which PIoneer do you have?
I have the DEH-P5900IB and a BT adapter, and i can't get my X1 connect.
All my previous phones worked fine.
it looks like the X1 won't let me pair without passcode, and the radio says Error.
Do you mind explaining exactly how you did it?
Thanks
i have the DEH-790BT.
what i did was after i changed what i mentioned above, then i set my deck to be able to be noticed by other bluetooth devices, then added it through my X1. After I added it through my phone it said successfully connected on my deck and the phone displayed it connected as wireless stereo and hands free. now the only weird thing was it was trying to connect as both the wireless stereo and hands free which seemed to mess with the deck, so I had to turn off my ignition and turn my car back on for it to actually recognize the connection fully. oh and the passcode if you connect through the deck to phone like I did it should be default '0000' but i would check your manual just to be safe, and if your connecting through your phone to the deck (which i haven't tested so I don't know if it works) you can pick your own passcode, which i suggest just making 0000 or nothing.
I have a problem also with my HTC Touch HD (Blackstone)
I can pair with my Nissan Qashqai carkit but soun dis very bad, and the caller on the otherside doesn;t hear anything.
Strangly, but try, when during a call i switch from carkit to phone and back (using the options in my carkit/buttons on stearing wheel) everything is fine!
Checking the internet learned me that this is related to the bluetooth stack (or settings) in WM6.1 (and 6.5 also)
So does anybody have any idea how to solve this, maybe by registry changes or maybe by even "downgrading" the Bluetoorh stack to 6.0 or maybe even 5.x.
Maybe it is also possible to replace the complete MS stack for an other stack?
Hi All,
this is what happening:
Got a brand new Kenwood KDC-BT6544U , paired with my Samsung Omnia i900 for handless calls, no synchronization between them becouse device is not compatible with Remote Sim (grrr....) , ok that's not a problem .... manual synch of more important contacts.
All done, ok, pushed contacts are in Phone Book.
Reboot Kenwood.
All data just sent from Samsun i900 to Kenwood seems vanished... NO DATA is shown...
Phone is paired, and outgoing/incoming calls could be done, but no address book (manual synched phone numbers) are shown....
BUT
if I go in Bluetooth services , tap on Kenwood car-stereo device , and select "Set as headphone", on Kenwood device bounce up:
"HF Disconnected" "HF Connected" and all my before sent contacts are there!
So, finally the question: There is any way , probably with a mortscript, to understand, when first pairing operation happens (every time car stereo is sitted in on its location and powered on) to do an automatic operation of Samsung Omnia described as up (Bluetooth services -> Kenwood tap -> Set as headphone) ??
Please don't kill me
Andrea.
Bluestar Software + Mortscript could be usefull?
Any mortscript advice?
I have a problem where my HD2 does not work properly with my Land Rover Freelander 2 in-built bluetooth car kit.
The HD2 pairs with the car and I can search my phone book, see my last dialled number, I can even dial a number, BUT, the phone does not connect properly - the car radio should cut out and phone audio come through the car speakers, but instead the radio just continues to play. And shortly after the call is connected to the other party the line is terminated.
My Nokia phone works perfectly with my car, but this phone does not. Even my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 did not for properly with the Freelander 2.
I did manage to make one successful call, but after I stopped and restarted the car, the problem returned!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
So, does any one know of a fix? Surely hands free/car kit is a standard?
Help!
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
Paired it with my Pioneer FH-P80BT on my way to sell my 3GS and recieved a call. Got the same issue as described above - just a bug i presume.
I'm experiancing similar problems. All works fine (incoming call's or outgoing call's) but they get disconnected randomly it seems. I'm using a JVX NX7000 by the way. No problem with my iPhone. Hope they fix it soon!
I tested it with my BMW Idrive last night which is notoriously difficult and it worked fine, I was really surprised tbh! But was able to recieve and make calls, the stereo cut out and could see the phone book too. With my N82 i was only ever able to make/receive calls.
Same problem - Jaguar XF - it docks ok but I have to initiate calls from car (vs phone). Just some weirdness going on...
glenner05 said:
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
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Mercedes brutality
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
I have a Nissan Pathfinder; it paired ok, and dials from the Pathy without probs. Ringtone is ok too. Sound quality seems better than my old Tytn so all in all v happy.
Doesn't stream music, but that's Nissan's fault, not HTC.
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
HTC HD2 Pairing with a Freelander 2 - SUCESS!!!
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Hello i have same problem with my BMW X5. Can you explain better your steps ?
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Interesting, I have a similar problem with my 2009 BMW 3 I explain here (sorry I posted before discovering this thread) and I'll try your registry tweak.
But you say that it is "a known change" to the HD2, could you tell us where you saw it ? Is there another discussion about the BT stack somewhere or more generaly about the Widcomm implementation in the HD2 ?
The HD2 being so recent and in short supply, I'm a bit surprised something like that is "well known"
Thanks for your help.
It works !
graemenwallace, I just tried after applying your tweak and... OMG, this is AWSOME man, it just WORKS !
I still just have one gripe though, it seems that the car doesn't always receive the RF level correctly at the first connection. Sometimes it sees the phone as having no carrier at all (no bars in the RX level display), preventing the car to make any calls, but as soon as I receive a call, the level resets to full bars and I can pick the call and make calls myself after that.
When the first call comes in, I can see the display with no bars and a "?" appearing on top of it for a short time before it becomes full bars.
So there is still some compatibility problems, but at least now I can pick-up incoming calls without risking my life.
So I suppose you are a potential life saver then
Thanks mate,
Yves.
Bluetooth is working YES with JVC KD-AVX44 ADV49
After the registry tweak from graemenwallace the bluetooth connection is working properly with my car radio (JVC KD-AVX44/KD-ADV49).
The phone functions ok now (incoming & outgoing calls) Also the AD2P connection is super (very good sound)
Also the ID3 tags are functioning (didn't function with the X1 Xperia)
I see the track title now into the JVC display
Skipping etc. all is functioning. I will tell HTC about it because I have a ticket running for this issue. I think they have to solve this issue
Big thanks for this trick
By doing a little search on the net, it seems like graemenwallace suggested that this problem is not new with smartphones that identify themselves as such.
The tweak above forces the BT stack of the phone to identify itself as a standard phone instead of a smartphone.
What's puzzling is that my BMW handsfree worked with other smartphones so far, including the iphone.
Anyway, it's ok now, but I wonder what bad press this will cause to HTC.
The majority of the users are unaware of this kind of wizardry and this justs adds up to the long list of bugs of the HD2.
When I first got the phone a few days ago I was rapidly convinced to return it immediatly as it's fancy interface wasn't enough to overcome all the shortcomings. It was plain unusable as a business phone.
Now after applying most of the tweaks, it begins to show potential, but HTC really has to work on the problems we can't fix by tweaking the registry.
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
jah said:
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
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Does your Ford system have the Bluetooth audio choice?
I get my Ford Focus changed every six months coz i'm a driving instructor and it comes as part of the deal.
On my last Ford Focus my htc tytn 2 connected ok and I could make and receive calls ok.
However, when the new car was delivered the Ford system had bluetooth audio choice and ipod integration which the other one didn't.
Now my htc tytn 2 didn't connect very well at all.
Now with my HD2 it does connect only if I have the bluetooth audio profile selected.
But now the music player keeps appearing and wants to play music all the time. If I pause the music on the phone it just starts replaying.
Anyway I will try the registry tweak in this thread and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Paul.
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I have the same problem. I`ll try to pair my HD2 with MB C-klass using SAP but i can`t get them connected it seems like a SAP adaptor can`t activate a PIN input window on HD2 (i guess). With other phones it works perfect (tryed with Nokia 5800, 6500).
Shark_Abuser said:
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
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could you pls describe, how did get them paired? when i try to pair them, i see the device`s id, try to "call" it, see pin code and after that i hear the descending tone. and it nothing occurs. SAP is enabled, device is discoverable, what else? Any idea?
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I feel your pain, my wife has a GolfPlus and the rSAP instalation is crap.
It's overly expensive and useless if you don't have one of the few phones compatible with it.
Unfortunately, many customers are falling in this trap, thinking it is a standard handsfree, but it is not, it is a full GSM build-in which only access your phone SIM card to log into the network and download your contacts.
In the case of my wife, the dealer was honest and clearly stated that it was a mistake to order this option.
The only problem is that he had no other alternative than proposing an Parrot retrofit which wasn't really an option for me as it wasn't integrated in the car and certainly not in the navigation system.
But internet is your friend and the solution is quite simple, the Kufatec kit.
This is brilliant, it is a small box that connects to the CAN bus of many german cars and integrates perfectly into existing navigators, it uses the steering wheels command buttons and so on.
It is much better (more functions) than original BT options, is tailored to each brand so that the displays are in the same style as the original ones etc.
More interesting, it is field upgradable (just a laptop with BT) so that it is potentialy compatible with anything existing or not yet.
And it only costs a fraction of this crappy rSAP option.
In your case, the good news is that it can simply replace your actual rSAP kit for a minimal installation fee. (the CAN bus has to be reprogramed however, so professional instalation needed)
There is another solution: to replace the unit you have (it is situated under the driver's seat) by a skoda unit. This unit has the same connector but is simple handsfree instead of rSAP.
Hope this helps.