Check out this video over at Android Central. It's nothing too shocking but man it really makes me want a proper Froyo build for the EVO asap. The part you really see the biggest difference is the benchmark of the 3D first person movement through the building.
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Or it could be just the FPS limitation. Kind of sucks.
Irrefutable evidence that this 30fps cap issue exists and is in fact quite crippling.
I have no idea what's going on with the Droid there; I'm actually a bit surprised that 2.1 imposed that cap for no apparent reason.
However, the fact that a minuscule mid-range smartphone on AT&T annihilates the Evo on both FPS2D and Neocore is nothing short of depressing. ESPECIALLY since HTC makes both of these damned devices! This needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
seriously...i saw the video when it first got posted, i didn't even wanna talk about it.
why would they do such a thing i seriously don't get it... its definitely depressing, and after sending them an email that i am returning the phone because its capped at 30fps and other phones (HTC PHONES, and IPHONE) arent - and having them say we're sorry to hear that but this is htc's stance on the issue.... im just dissapointed. we're not gonna see an official fix. we;re gonna see a xda dev fix lol. but how long will it take them to release source ugh.
we need cyanogen :O
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Irrefutable evidence that this 30fps cap issue exists and is in fact quite crippling.
I have no idea what's going on with the Droid there; I'm actually a bit surprised that 2.1 imposed that cap for no apparent reason.
However, the fact that a minuscule mid-range smartphone on AT&T annihilates the Evo on both FPS2D and Neocore is nothing short of depressing. ESPECIALLY since HTC makes both of these damned devices! This needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
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Aria is pushing way less pixels.
Someone should send the last 2 minutes of this video to HTC. Their "official" stance is hypocritical as the N1 can do 60fps no problem.
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Yes, and the Evo is pushing a way more powerful Snapdragon.
You can see in the video that Evo is about as fast as N1 in terms of finishing the test. On the other hand, N1 looks a lot smoother (as it should be with 60 vs. 30 fps caps).
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I really bought my phone for a phone and for the size of the screen for internet, not for playing games. I'm guessing outside of this forum, that is probably the case as well and why a fix is not too high on HTC's list.
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I guess I'm in the minority here, but I really bought my phone for a phone and for the size of the screen for internet, not for playing games. I'm guessing outside of this forum, that is probably the case as well and why a fix is not too high on HTC's list.
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The point here is quite obvious. We (Evo owners) are entitled to have the best (or at least, adequately) performing device currently available. Imposing an artificial limitation is unacceptable.
Even though you are satisfied with the phone, you cannot possible argue that you would be against an improvement. While other, more picky owners like myself, demand better.
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I guess I'm in the minority here, but I really bought my phone for a phone and for the size of the screen for internet, not for playing games. I'm guessing outside of this forum, that is probably the case as well and why a fix is not too high on HTC's list.
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i think the point is that HTC had to spend time deliberately capping the FPS to 30.
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The point here is quite obvious. We (Evo owners) are entitled to have the best (or at least, adequately) performing device currently available. Imposing an artificial limitation is unacceptable.
Even though you are satisfied with the phone, you cannot possible argue that you would be against an improvement. While other, more picky owners like myself, demand better.
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Hmmm...we are not "entitled" to anything. It would absolutely be nice to have the cap lifted, I certainly would not argue against that. But I find it hard to believe that HTC would cap fps for no reason whatsoever. I'm sure they had their reasons, although it would be nice for them to give a better explanation than they did to one of the members on here. Seriously not trying to start anything here, just pointing out that I think an extremely large majority of Evo owners will have no idea that this cap even exists, which is what HTC is counting on.
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Hmmm...we are not "entitled" to anything. It would absolutely be nice to have the cap lifted, I certainly would not argue against that. But I find it hard to believe that HTC would cap fps for no reason whatsoever. I'm sure they had their reasons, although it would be nice for them to give a better explanation than they did to one of the members on here. Seriously not trying to start anything here, just pointing out that I think an extremely large majority of Evo owners will have no idea that this cap even exists, which is what HTC is counting on.
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Actually, yes we are. When we pay hundreds of dollars upfront and thousands of dollars throughout a two year span, we're certainly entitled to get a device that works as advertised. The Evo was never advertised as having a 30fps cap, otherwise we wouldn't have been demanding a fix as urgently.
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Actually, yes we are. When we pay hundreds of dollars upfront and thousands of dollars throughout a two year span, we're certainly entitled to get a device that works as advertised. The Evo was never advertised as having a 30fps cap, otherwise we wouldn't have been demanding a fix as urgently.
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I'm not getting in to semantics, but nowhere did I see in Evo advertisements that the fps were supposed to be 60 or 40 or any arbitrary number for that matter. I'm done on this subject, I hope there is a fix but it's not going to ruin my day if there isn't one.
Guys! (and gals). The 30fps cap is nothing to worry about. Run the benchmark yourself! 30fps is super smooth. And the cap let's the gpu rest! Think how bad the battery life would be without that! Yeah, you can't score the highest benchmark, but the gpu will still be taxed 100% when the next huge step in gaming comes to android, then all the phones will be hitting 30fps. A framerate limit does not = poor performance. And to the guy who said "look how much smoother the nexus looks in the video" yeah, that video itself is like 15fps, how can you tell?
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Guys! (and gals). The 30fps cap is nothing to worry about. Run the benchmark yourself! 30fps is super smooth. And the cap let's the gpu rest! Think how bad the battery life would be without that! Yeah, you can't score the highest benchmark, but the gpu will still be taxed 100% when the next huge step in gaming comes to android, then all the phones will be hitting 30fps. A framerate limit does not = poor performance. And to the guy who said "look how much smoother the nexus looks in the video" yeah, that video itself is like 15fps, how can you tell?
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Yes, but when those phones hit 30fps, us Evo owners will be in the 10-20 range if we're lucky. There's no reason HTC should be putting such a stupid cap in THIS device and this device only without telling the customers. If anything, they should have given us the OPTION of whether we wanted to enable the cap or not. Android is open as can be, but this stupid cap is the exact opposite.
Is the 30 FPS on the EVO a hardware imposed cap? Or, can it me circumvented by a software configuration change?
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The cap is software imposed. If you flash a Froyo rom on the Evo, you'll see the boot animation hit 60fps for a few seconds.
you know what im thinking.... they must have imposed that cap because of FROYO...
hear me out, if froyo is supposed to be SOOO much better and faster as we can clearly see in the video, then perhaps HTC has done internal testing that shows that the phone can be capped at 30fps and STAY at 30fps once froyo is running on it. that way they can save battery by keeping the performance level at a certain point. at least thats what im thinking....
the cap matters; i didn't think i would care, but while playing Homerun 3d battle, i noticed the difference right away; i'm coming from Nexus One (used both 2.1 and Froyo on it); on the N1, there was never any lag, but whenever i play on the Evo, it just doesn't run smoothly, you can really notice the difference
hopefully, 2.2 will fix the cap; don't know why they placed a cap in the first place
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So far i tested Raging Thunder 2 and Dungeon Hunter.
Both are running a little choppy on the EVO while they are smooth as butter on the N1. Not horribly laggy but the you can clearly see the difference.
I tried to disable Sense and any live wallpaper, but still the results are the same.
I hope this is a software issue which is going to be fixed prior to release.
ewwwww, I really hope your right.
You hope i am right or wrong? lol.
Less complex games are running just fine on both devices. It is the more graphically complex games that are slightly choppy on the EVO.
does the Nexus have 2.2?
this is to be semi expected since the EVO has senseUI.
Check out this video. At the start you can see the apps list scrolling is a bit choppy on the EVO, then in Linpack the score is only about 5.8. My HTC Incredible gets a score of 6.8 normally.
Finally in the 3d benchmark it is the slowest. Even lower than a Motorola Droid! What is going on here, is something making the EVO slower than equal spec'd phones?(N1, Incredible)
the Nexus has 2.2, so it's bound to be faster. the Droid has stock 2.1, so it's not working as hard to run senseUI.
looks about right to me.
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the Nexus has 2.2, so it's bound to be faster. the Droid has stock 2.1, so it's not working as hard to run senseUI.
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wondering why the incredible is scoring higher though (Post above yours)
unless its just a problem with the prelaunch software on it?
Honestly, if the evo is going to not perform better then the droid that could very well kill it for me, if i'm going to upgrade i'm going to upgrade to the best, not the second best.
I'm really hoping these devices tested are running a version of Eclair that hasn't been optimized yet. I mean, there's absolutely no way HTC could downgrade their flagship device compared to the Nexus One and Droid. I'll be ridiculously disappointed if these speed tests are accurate representations of the final Evo release.
You're splitting hairs regarding 3D performance. JIT this the main benchmark you should care about now. Next on Google's plate is optimizing 3D performance.
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Check out this video. At the start you can see the apps list scrolling is a bit choppy on the EVO, then in Linpack the score is only about 5.8. My HTC Incredible gets a score of 6.8 normally.
Finally in the 3d benchmark it is the slowest. Even lower than a Motorola Droid! What is going on here, is something making the EVO slower than equal spec'd phones?(N1, Incredible)
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well so much for getting this day 0
*holds money in hand anxiously*
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Honestly, if the evo is going to not perform better then the droid that could very well kill it for me, if i'm going to upgrade i'm going to upgrade to the best, not the second best.
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Jesus christ, all of you guys are whiny babies, go cry about how there is a 1 FPS DIFFERENCE somewhere else. I'm fairly certain this is a god damn software issue that can be fixed, especially with 2.2. I find it so silly to see people say things like this are going to kill getting the evo for them, like i said, go cry about how everything in this phone is TOP OF THE LINE except 1 feature, you can't have a god damn perfect phone whiny babies.
And by the way, i kept myself from using another b word instead of babies to keep myself from getting banned .
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Jesus christ, all of you guys are whiny babies, go cry about how there is a 1 FPS DIFFERENCE somewhere else. I'm fairly certain this is a god damn software issue that can be fixed, especially with 2.2. I find it so silly to see people say things like this are going to kill getting the evo for them, like i said, go cry about how everything in this phone is TOP OF THE LINE except 1 feature, you can't have a god damn perfect phone whiny babies.
And by the way, i kept myself from using another b word instead of babies to keep myself from getting banned .
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I agree. I guess I'm not as big of a "phone geek" as others appear to be. I'm gonna be using my Evo for (of course) making/receiving calls, internet, some music, and social networking. I have an iPod touch and Nintendo DSi for gaming. I don't need to be wasting what little battery power I have on senseless games. I can't believe something that minute would stop someone from getting a phone. If you want a gaming system invest in a PSP or Nintendo DS.
WOW ok did you forget to take your medication today? I didn't read that anyone was crying they were merely stating what they have seen. Don't be such a fan boy.
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Jesus christ, all of you guys are whiny babies, go cry about how there is a 1 FPS DIFFERENCE somewhere else. I'm fairly certain this is a god damn software issue that can be fixed, especially with 2.2. I find it so silly to see people say things like this are going to kill getting the evo for them, like i said, go cry about how everything in this phone is TOP OF THE LINE except 1 feature, you can't have a god damn perfect phone whiny babies.
And by the way, i kept myself from using another b word instead of babies to keep myself from getting banned .
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WOW ok did you forget to take your medication today? I didn't read that anyone was crying they were merely stating what they have seen. Don't be such a fan boy.
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Actually, yes, i did, but my hangover medication is beside the point. If you weren't so obtuse, you would know that crying is a way to say complaining, especially over something so silly like this. Lastly, fanboy? Really? I respect all phones, although i love android phones, i'm very fair to others. I love the iphone and always will(a bit bored of the OS, still love it though), really love webos and the pre(though i suck at using it), and i personally love the nexus one. I am far from a fanboy, I just realize that the EVO is easily the best phone on the market right now, and to say it isn't would be ignorant, and to not buy it because it scored slightly, SLIGHTLY lower on a test, which is very likely a software problem, is something a crybaby complains about.
agreed with above. Crying in a thread is not going to help anything. Instead try and figure out WHY it is 1fps lower.
I find it so funny the flip-floppers based on a few small reports. Let's see the Incredible needs to have its optical mouse calibrated, it's Battery Meter updated so that it won't require the charge, turn off, turn on, charge again to gain its 100% actual charge, the intermittent hit the power on button to wake and it doesn't wake right away issue. It's not a perfect phone! OH MY!
With the EVO you are getting every bit the phone the incredible is and then some. 4G(not applicable to all), 30% increased screen size, Brilliant TFT screen, HTC Exchange enhancements(some of these features were stripped in the Incredible), ROOTED already, You Tube HD, Front facing camera. There are a few more I am sure.
If you don't like the way the phone feels in your hands then its not inferior its just not for you. If you think that the 3D features are not up to your standards than the phone is not for you if you can't wait for updates and improvements which are surely to arrive sooner than later. I don't care for 3D so the phone will be exactly what I want. I have the Incredible as well and will keep both.
If there was just one phone that would cater to everyone then that company will never need to make another phone again.
Holding back for a phone based on a few reports and not having tried it out is kinda silly don't cha think?
Wait until it arrives, lay out your cash and take a test drive.
Big deal..
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Actually, yes, i did, but my hangover medication is beside the point. If you weren't so obtuse, you would know that crying is a way to say complaining, especially over something so silly like this. Lastly, fanboy? Really? I respect all phones, although i love android phones, i'm very fair to others. I love the iphone and always will(a bit bored of the OS, still love it though), really love webos and the pre(though i suck at using it), and i personally love the nexus one. I am far from a fanboy, I just realize that the EVO is easily the best phone on the market right now, and to say it isn't would be ignorant, and to not buy it because it scored slightly, SLIGHTLY lower on a test, which is very likely a software problem, is something a crybaby complains about.
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Another thing I like to keep in mind is potential...our rooted optimized Heros are running Neocore at some 33 fps (blows the sox off all three devices in the above video). Imagine what'll happen when the devs getta hold of a device w/ twice the computing power!!
There's speculation that the demonstrated 2.1 is a preliminary build so that may speak a lot as to why there seems to be a performance issue. I personally don't care what my phone runs like when I first get it, cuz I know a stock ROM will rarely perform as well as a custom cooked ROM.
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the Nexus has 2.2, so it's bound to be faster. the Droid has stock 2.1, so it's not working as hard to run senseUI.
looks about right to me.
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My N1 was running those games fine on 2.1.
It is not a matter of crying about 1fps....
the games literally stutter when you play them, it is not as if they are just slower.
like there is some bottleneck somewhere in the software (maybe drivers) that is preventing the phone from reaching better performance.
I tried to disable Sense UI and the live wallpaper but so no improvement.
I also don't think this is related to JIT, as it seems like a GPU issue.
Anyone knows if there is a command i can run on the phone that will show me what the CPU clocks at?
as it stands im torn between getting the Desire Hd or the SGS, With this phone just less than 2 weeks away from launching. I find it strange that its not been reviewed yet by the likes of Engadget or GSMArena i would have thought HTC would have sent out a Review handset even with BETA firmware. The way its looking it will be onsale before its even been reviewed. I want to read a few reviews before making my mind up on which handset to get. I want a handset that takes good photo'S and videos and i know the SGS is great there but im put off with the problems GPS,LAG etc. I was hoping the DHD would be good but ive got a feeling that the samsung will be better for photo's and videos. Then again i know that HTC will most probably have more updates and the most likly to get gingerbread. Oh this is hard
Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.
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Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.
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That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.
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That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.
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True, but with the old Desire it was clear that it would be available in the US later (and, in fact, currently is in a CDMA-version). I don't know why they reviewed the Legend without mentioning the 3G bands supported, though
The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.
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The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.
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Im forced to disagree with your opinion on camcorder similarities. The EVO records up to 23 fps. If u see the vids it looks really choppy and not smooth at all.
I'll agree with many people here that, from what we've seen, the quality of the DHD isnt great, but it keeps a solid 30 fps throughout the clip and is far more smooth than the EVO (or any other HTC phone for that matter).
May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
DHD and Evo have nothing in common except for the 4.3" screen. But that doesn't change the public perception that they are similar... even Engadget proclaimed that the DHD is "an Evo for the rest of the world". But then, as their recent editorials have shown, Engadet editors aren't too technically apt
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May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
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I'm not sure where you got that idea. The processor speed may be the same but it's a different CPU / GPU (and the GPU is a *lot* faster).
I am well aware the CPU and GPU are newer and much more efficient. My point in reply was that the physical camera could easily be the same model used in the EVO. As people have seen with the N1 and Desire a software update can bring in new features such as the 720p recording and so on.
Anyway I wouldn't be worried about the lack of reviews. HTC may be preventing the reviews from being published until release, it isn't unknown for companies to with hold reviews at their discretion for whatever reason. I wager the review units are out their and being played with and put through their paces right now and when ready you will see them in print and online.
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May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
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You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.
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You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.
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My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.
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My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.
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I see, I must have been busy replying when you posted.
Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!
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Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!
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Yeah, that game they showcased looked amazing to me.
My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.
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My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.
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if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.
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if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.
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Probably the best idea, will wait and see my upgrade is due just after release so I'm hoping orange will stock it in enough numbers so I can get it. In fact I'll call them this week and find out, assuming they're not going to ignorant and unaware of it's existence still
I've been searching like crazy for reviews as well.
For some reason, HTC seems to be withholding them. I have no idea why, but I think positive reviews would only increase pre order sales and general perception of what is soon to be their flagship phone!
Seems a bit strange, but oh well!
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Hi there,
Been using the phone for 3 days (from saturday on):
Battery consumption overnight (8.5h with BT and WiFi on; 3G network): 10%
Phone is running smooth and fast.
Compared to my HTC HD2, the screen reacts faster and more precise.
Seems to be a bit heavier than HD2 and definitely is somewhat longer. No problem though to keep it in shirt breast pocket.
Screen is nice and clear, pixels not showing and less saturated colors than Samsung I9000 Galaxy.
WiFi is very fast.
BT is OK to other laptops, mobiles and carkit.
Voice quality is fine both incoming and outgoing.
The only thing nagging me: I can't change the color of my Exchange agenda items. It works ok with Google agenda's as long as you use the bottom three rows of colors. Exchange won't do it.
Recommend it to anyone searching for top smartphone.
Regards,
If your like me you are having a hell of a time deciding which phone to get/keep. Well I happen to have both and after almost a week with each. Here is my opinion, and why. maybe it will help some of you out.
I am writing this in the nexus forum as to not flame or upset mt4g users, so obviously my choice is to keep the nexus. Hopefully people considering either phone will see this.
I consider myself the average user. Dont care about + or - 200 pts on quadrent (diff between the device) or the quickest update (as long as **** works, I can wait a couple weeks for the updated Maps...) I care more about the look, feel, camera, battery life, and pleasure I get from the device.
Having personal experience with both phone. The only reason I could ever see someone getting the mt4g over the nexus is if you really need more than 16g of space available to you, or you live in seattle (which I do) and you really need that 7.6megs
I'll start with look. I like both phones. but I love the seemless look of the nexus. It look sleek, modern, and feels light WHILE KEEPING a very sturdy feel. If that was a concern of yours... dont let it be. The phone is infact very solid feeling.
Camera: This is where I thought the mt4g would have a slight edge cause of the HD. I was wrong. I took video in my house with both phones at the same time. played them the same time split on my 61" tv and view them fully blown up by themselves on the tv. and to my surprise, for whatever reason the image quality on NS every bit as good. Also I feel the color on the vid and pics was better on the NS. Again. surprised by this...???
internet speed: I have a 4g tower right outside my window that give my mt4g 3.6m. my nexus also gets around 3.6. Again, not a real technical guy. Dont know why they get the same, but there it is. Fact is I mostly use apps. DUH. they rarely require 1m to run lightning fast. (but i'll take the extra 2.6 for the occasional browsing) 4G for me is a moot point and useless unless you do a lot of hotspotting, or just love running speedtest apps all day and brag to your friends. Besides, at some point. your internet speed is gonna be waiting for your processor while browsing and i'm gonna bet its well before 7megs on these phones... I have a 50meg comcast wifi connection at my house. Admittedly, I haven't run tests. But I fail to see any difference between my 50m wifi vs my 3.6m cell tower. hence why I dont bother turning on wifi when at home....
Battery life: this is the most obvious difference. I dont care what anyone says. the mt4g lasts me 3/4 of a day at best. period. If you want to turn off all your widgets, background data, 3g/4g speeds and maybe make it a full 12 hours go ahead and get the mt4g. I know people claim they do, and maybe I got a bad battery. but my mt4g wouldn't do it... the nexus goes all day, and I plug it in at night. Wish it could last 2 days like my last phone, but hey...
finally the screen. the mt4g screen is nice, and supposedly better than most phones, but the NS screen just embarrass it. (whether you have the "good or bad" mt4g screen)(a common problem if you read the mt4g forum)
I was a little long winded, but hey... After having both phones, the choice was clear. except for those few people that need more than a 7.6m connection, and more than 16g of hard drive. the choice for me is now very clear. NS all the way.
Glad you made the right choice. (The big thing for this phone though is it will get updates a lot sooner than everyone else like the mytouch 4g having 2.2 and the nexus s having 2.3.1)
I have a ns an my fiance has a mt4g an i definitely like the ns better but the mt4g is an awesome phone as well
I also find the mytouch real buttons can never be compared to the sexy capacitive buttons of nexus s. but they have the GENIUS button ( )
Try turn on wifi at home, I get up to 17.20mb down. It does't make a big difference while browsing or using apps compared to the 3.0mb from tmobile really.
I have the MT4G and my brother has the Nexus S, i had all intentions of returning my phone and picking up a Nexus S when I first heard about them coming out but honestly I just cant get myself to do it. I love having a dedicated camera button, real buttons, trackpad wake, and the build quality is just so superior. I bought my phone from Costco so have 90 days to return, still have about a month left, but for now I just cant get myself to switch. I do love the screen though, I used to have a Vibrant.
Battery life isnt the best but it does last me from 7am when I unplug it to 10pm when I plug it back in. My gfs mytouch 4g with a different rom has crazy battery life, much better then mine, even when i use the same rom as hers.
I too dont really care about the 4g aspect and would consider myself a typical user
I'm also having a hard time deciding which to keep,love the Nexus S ,but for some reason the MT4g is alot smoother in the browser,especially with really intensive web pages.Makes me wonder if the MT4g browser is hardware accelerated.
I'm with you. I played with a MT4G for a while and decided to go with the Nexus S. I also kept a Nokia N8 for a couple of weeks, a Dell Venue Pro for a few days and owned a N900 for a year. While I miss the multi-tasking & web-browsing of the N900, the N8 and DVP were quickly returned.
cool guys... yeah. some people just like the mt4g better. it was a tough decision. again. I'm not sold on the build quality being better with the mt4g. i think it may "feel" better, with the cold steal from the back plate. But I think they are both built to last. unfortunately I dont have the balls to put them to a drop test
BTW. the genius button is a moot point cause I have a search button that does absolutely everything the genius button does. (text dictation,maps,web,etc.etc)I guess t-mobiles marketing really paid off here (making people think they are getting something other phones and carriers aren't. kudos t-MO)
yeah... I'm not sure about the browser speed. like I said. I'm not that worried about testing or having 1/4 sec better browser times... just isn't an issue for me. But maybe your right and the mt4g is a little faster...
I agree that the mt4g is a great phone. just not as good as the nexus
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I'm also having a hard time deciding which to keep,love the Nexus S ,but for some reason the MT4g is alot smoother in the browser,especially with really intensive web pages.Makes me wonder if the MT4g browser is hardware accelerated.
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this is already been discussed, the nexus s browser has a bug that is not taking advantage of the graphics acceleration. an update will fix it like it did for the galaxy s. you just have to wait for it and it will be smooth as butter.
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this is already been discussed, the nexus s browser has a bug that is not taking advantage of the graphics acceleration. an update will fix it like it did for the galaxy s. you just have to wait for it and it will be smooth as butter.
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Really? I was unaware of this. That's good news.
Re :Genius Button
Having used the Mytouch Slide and now the G2 the one big thing I miss about the genius button is the Driving Mode. You can listen to a text, compose a reply and have it read back to you, and send it all without touching the phone.
Voice Actions is close but in the same situation it requires you to read the message, hit a button to reply, read the message to check it, and manually hit send.
It all comes down to the screen for me. The CPUs in all the top-end phones are more than capable at this point, and most of the internal hardware is largely undifferentiated. But the vast majority of my time spent using my phone involves looking at the screen, not the backplate or a camera button or on a TV via HDMI.
I'll take a crappy looking phone with a gorgeous screen over a beautiful phone with a crappy screen any day of the week.
I've had both phones too, while the NS feels nicer i don't see the real point in getting a high end phone right now, Motorola Atrix, the new Samsung 4.5" eats the NS for breakfast any day.
I got the MT4 because it has a faster cpu which makes web browsing smoother and a lot cheaper so i can save moneys for the next wave of dualies.
The NS is still a nice phone if you want google and all that but the new dualies looks very promising and i'd rather have the latest hardware than whatever google can offer, which at this point i believe is not much 2.3 has been a huge disappointed for me.
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I got the MT4 because it has a faster cpu which makes web browsing smoother
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Since when does the mytouch have a faster or better cpu?
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Since when does the mytouch have a faster or better cpu?
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Check this video after min 5:00 and see how bad the NS is doing at web browsing, since android GUI is not gpu accelerated the cpu is doing all the force. BTW the desire hd has the same cpu found in the mt4. Dual Core is going to make the NS into a 2nd tier android device. $530 plus tax is a lot to pay for a 2nd tier device if you ask me.
NS owners act like they have the best phone in the world, however i have a feeling that a lot of these will pop up in the marketplace very soon.
Pure android experience or not, pretty much any phone can be rooted and delete the bloatware.
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Check this video after min 5:00 and see how bad the NS is doing at web browsing, since android GUI is not gpu accelerated the cpu is doing all the force. BTW the desire hd has the same cpu found in the mt4. Dual Core is going to make the NS into a 2nd tier android device. $530 plus tax is a lot to pay for a 2nd tier device if you ask me.
NS owners act like they have the best phone in the world, however i have a feeling that a lot of these will pop up in the marketplace very soon.
Pure android experience or not, pretty much any phone can be rooted and delete the bloatware.
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yeah you are right. there is even more proves here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901573
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yeah it is true. there is even more proves here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901573
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While the scores are nice, they don't mean jack, the quadrant of dual cores i have seen are below 2000 and i'd prefer a dual core phone over a ns any day no matter what a silly little number tells. I just don't know why didn't you pick linpack? oh yeah the cortex a8 version in the hummi sucks at it.
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While the scores are nice, they don't mean jack, the quadrant of dual cores i have seen are below 2000 and i'd prefer a dual core phone over a ns any day no matter what a silly little number tells. I just don't know why didn't you pick linpack? oh yeah the cortex a8 version in the hummi sucks at it.
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When you are trying to make a point use some facts and not some video.
You can start buy here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/evref but focus on the only reply that used facts and not opinions: http://www.reddit.com/user/VincentLaguardiaGa
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While the scores are nice, they don't mean jack, the quadrant of dual cores i have seen are below 2000 and i'd prefer a dual core phone over a ns any day no matter what a silly little number tells. I just don't know why didn't you pick linpack? oh yeah the cortex a8 version in the hummi sucks at it.
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I dont even get what your doing in this forum then? this site has what seems like a hundred phones. I've never been in a forum of a phone i dont own or am thinking of owning. you obviously dont care for the NS. why are you here?
The NS is as fast or faster than any phone out right now. right out of the box, the mt4g might beet in in quadrant by 200. big deal. so the second fastest phone and the only one with NFC is an outdated piece of crap cause in 4 to six months a duel core phone will be coming out?
My NS and any other 1ghz phone is plenty fast for me and most people. (160,000 android devices sell every day) so I guess those people are all idiot as well?
I just dont get the point of you being here? I dont see you calling out people in the mt3g slide for purchasing an inferior phone. its probably still selling better than the NS.
If you want to be a hardware whore. that's your business. Most of use were probably N1 or worse phone owners before our NS purchase. And I'm fine with that upgrade. My phone broke and I didn't want to wait 4+ months to get a new one
And not to do my own flaming on phones that aren't out yet. But i'm sure the switch over to duel core isn't going to be as smooth as I'm sure your hoping. I would be prepaired for some issues on launch devices... (hopefully not. but things rarely go smooth with new tech.)
I don't know why the need to use harsh words in a phone discussion, but that shows your level of maturity, you can't even spell
So I have to ask... why keep the phone right now? Its obviously really sluggish at most anything it does in regards to the UI. Arent there more 2.3 dual core phone options coming out in the next month or so? Why wait until fall to enjoy your phones dual core power? 2.2 doesnt support it, so shipping it with that is borderline BS if you ask me.
Not to mention AT&T limited the data speeds on it is grounds for a class action.
Seeing that there is a GRHxx build from.atrix dev phones floating around the atrix dev forum, im going to assume that Gingerbread is going to make its way over to the atrix. When? No one knows. But it will and if id have to guess, id say mid year.
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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Because of the wealth of people who offer answers and have no clue what they're talking about.
The kernel on the Atrix supports multiple cores. Here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11586435&postcount=9
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Where'd you get the idea that 2.2 doesn't support multiple cores?
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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That's actually good to know.
I had no idea about the core usage, but then again, the Atrix is my first Android phone...hell, it's my first smartphone, so it's been running great thus far.
I am curious about the RAM now though.
they're just jealous.
Well, it is AT&T we're talking about. But the Atrix is a flagship phone, so it could go either way. The fact that it didn't ship with Gingerbread is a bit disheartening, though. Here's hoping we see it before Ice Cream.
You wont taste icecream gingerbread mabey icecream Atrix 2 understand marketing.
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You wont taste icecream gingerbread mabey icecream Atrix 2 understand marketing.
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Says the guy who thinks a gyroscope is an important part of phone performance..... Seriously.... i've you have absolutely NOTHING good to say about the Atrix, don't own one, and apparently don't give a crap about it.... why keep trolling the Atrix forums? Besides.... what are the chances that your beloved Nexus S will see the light of Ice Cream? Probably just as likely as the Atrix, or even less so seeing as your Nexus S has half the memory and only a single core processor.
As for the OP.... i'm not sure where you're getting that it's "sluggish at most anything it does in regards to the UI". Even WITH MotoBlur, it's very responsive, and even moreso when using LauncherPro.
And I have yet to see you form a complete and puncuated sentence in all of your rant about gyroscopes and pretty much anything about the Atrix....
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Dude give it up you make a ass hole look good right now #Smh
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Keep it classy.
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they're just jealous.
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I doubt it has much to do with jealousy. I'm reminded of Agent K's (Tommy Lee Jones) quote from Men in Black:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/quotes said:
Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
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The amount of misinformation on the atrix is completely insane. Stuff like not using all of the ram, and people thinking one of the cores is useless until 2.3.
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Actually, a lot of the people think that one of the cores is useless until 2.4. Though, to be fair, 2.4 will supposedly use the Tegra 2 MUCH better than 2.3.
According to that article that examined Froyo update times, Motorola was the fastest on average getting a Froyo update to market among manufacturers, and AT&T was the slowest among carriers, so between the two, I suspect we'll see Gingerbread in no worse a timeframe than average, hopefully better.
I'm almost positive HTC beat motorola in terms of OS updates.
Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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Wow yours can't? I'm running a lot of programs in the background, streaming HD video from YouTube, and countless other things and I get no lag whatsoever.
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Rooted Atrix
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Phones going back for a few main reasons:
No HSUPA support. Ridiculous.
Cant produce the color YELLOW... which is simply unacceptable.
Dock limited in resolution so it looks like crap on my LCD monitor.
UI is sluggish, very sluggish. It cant even handle the beautiful widgets animation or the animated gingerbread docks.
Guess ill wait for the Galaxy S 2.
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I don't have my atrix yet, but from what I've read so far, coupled with common sense, I'd say:
- HSUPA is only supported for iPhone on AT&T. It is a network issue, not a phone issue.
- I am pretty sure it can. Maybe not the exact hue of yellow that you would like, but I would be very surprised otherwise.
- Isn't the dock putting out in HD or qHD? Should be good enough... also, check your settings.
- As mentioned many times across this forum, the UI seems to be quite fast. As you'd expect from a dual core 1GHz processor with kick-ass mobile GPU. It is possible, though, that some apps/widgets are not 100% compatible with it.
Just my $0.02
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I don't have my atrix yet, but from what I've read so far, coupled with common sense, I'd say:
- HSUPA is only supported for iPhone on AT&T. It is a network issue, not a phone issue.
- I am pretty sure it can. Maybe not the exact hue of yellow that you would like, but I would be very surprised otherwise.
- Isn't the dock putting out in HD or qHD? Should be good enough... also, check your settings.
- As mentioned many times across this forum, the UI seems to be quite fast. As you'd expect from a dual core 1GHz processor with kick-ass mobile GPU. It is possible, though, that some apps/widgets are not 100% compatible with it. Run the quadrant 2D benchmark. You will get around 14fps which in turn, is the fps you will get on your UI. captivate for me gets 24ish.
Just my $0.02
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HSUPA is a modem issue - if we could hack the boot loader, we could fix it... buuuuuuttt we cant.
The phone cant do yellow, it does brown. Go to wikipedia and scroll down to the actual color of html yellow. Put it next to another phone. Its Gold, not yellow. Might not seem like much but when you put all the other colors in the mix... most of them are way off.
The UI is anything BUT fast. I guess coming from a rom'd captivate I am spoiled. Imagine a phone running live wallpaper without getting choppy. This phone cant do it. It cant even handle beautiful widgets animation when it rains. You are pretty bias about it really, but thats ok. Thats why its the atrix board. Im a dose of reality
So..... again, how exactly do you know that the much-to-be-pointless animated weather widget isn't being choppy on the Atrix due to a software issue regarding the widget itself? You seriously need an animation to tell you it's raining?
I'm also fairly certain i've read in another thread that it is NOT an issue with the phone itself that HSUPA is not working... that someone i believe at AT&T mentioned it is so far only working with the iPhone on THEIR end, and that it should be fixed sometime soon.
And i have no idea what monitor you are using.... not that it matters, but i don't even have the dock... just plugged the phone into our 1080p HDTV using the supplied Micro-HDMI cable (or whichever it is.... mini... micro.... never can tell anymore, really).... and it looks just fine.... and playing a standard definition video (624x352 to be exact. Possibly less-than-standard definition) which looked not really any different than if i were playing it on my computer. I haven't tried hooking it up directly to my monitor since i don't really feel like disconnecting my PS3 right now.... but if i had to guess, if you're talking about an actual PC monitor.... have you ever thought that maybe something with the monitor scaling itself is causing it to not look the way it should?
So after seeing some of the reviews from quite a few sites, which of you guys are going to still migrate to the Evo 3d from the Evo?
One thing that bugged me was the supposedly bad battery life. If I'm correct doesn't the Sensation share the same Processor as the Evo 3D? So how does it perform worse? Kind of baffled me. Anyhow do any of you guys hold faith?
Edit: I know I should ignore reviews since the only opinion that matters is mine, but man did the phone get slammed. It was quite daunting for me.
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So after seeing some of the reviews from quite a few sites, which of you guys are going to still migrate to the Evo 3d from the Evo?
One thing that bugged me was the supposedly bad battery life. If I'm correct doesn't the Sensation share the same Processor as the Evo 3D? So how does it perform worse? Kind of baffled me. Anyhow do any of you guys hold faith?
Edit: I know I should ignore reviews since the only opinion that matters is mine, but man did the phone get slammed. It was quite daunting for me.
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from the one review it got 14 hrs doing a decent amount of stuff with 4g that sounds pretty good stock to me i remember when i got my evo last oct battery life was horrid i couldnt even make it through a 8 hr day so once it gets some tweaks here and there i bet it will be killer idk im only gonna get the chance to play with in the store :/ dont have the money to pony up atm for a phone full price lol
I was disappointed mainly by the camera performance (both 2D and 3D). Also, the 3D screen did not meet acclaim. Even the buttons and build quality were questioned.
I agree, battery will be fine once set up properly.
I wasn't forking it over to upgrade anyways, but I was still disappointed.
My guess is battery life will easily be double what the Evo's is.
Exactly. The reviews just disturbed me though. People mention that it is the same phone as the Sensation but with more RAM and a 3D capable screen. The Sensation in reviews had excellent battery life yet in the Evo 3D reviews it had horrid battery life (to some, and no to others). They both operate on the Adreno 220 GPU and they both share the same processor, which is the Qualcomm MSM8660 so that left me quite baffled. Not only that, but they are running the same software unless the Sensation doesn't have gingerbread. So I found it quite hard to comprehend how the EVO 3D would have bad battery life.
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Exactly. The reviews just disturbed me though. People mention that it is the same phone as the Sensation but with more RAM and a 3D capable screen. The Sensation in reviews had excellent battery life yet in the Evo 3D reviews it had horrid battery life (to some, and no to others). They both operate on the Adreno 220 GPU and they both share the same processor, which is the Qualcomm MSM8660 so that left me quite baffled. Not only that, but they are running the same software unless the Sensation doesn't have gingerbread. So I found it quite hard to comprehend how the EVO 3D would have bad battery life.
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due to the 3d
this is the 3ds stats
175 minutes - Full 3D, WiFi, max. brightness, full volume
262 minutes - No 3D, WiFi off, min. brightness, volume off, power-save mode enabled
and they have a smaller screen the 3ds screen is only 3.53 inches display (3.02 inches wide, 1.81 inches high) granted they have a second screen that is
3.02 inches (2.42 inches wide, 1.81 inches high)
so as you can see 3d is taxing even when turned off sounds like the evo3d has a way better batt life to me
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Exactly. The reviews just disturbed me though. People mention that it is the same phone as the Sensation but with more RAM and a 3D capable screen. The Sensation in reviews had excellent battery life yet in the Evo 3D reviews it had horrid battery life (to some, and no to others). They both operate on the Adreno 220 GPU and they both share the same processor, which is the Qualcomm MSM8660 so that left me quite baffled. Not only that, but they are running the same software unless the Sensation doesn't have gingerbread. So I found it quite hard to comprehend how the EVO 3D would have bad battery life.
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If you trust reviews the Palm Pre was a great phone.
That's all I have to say about the credibility of reviews.
Return policies exist for a reason.
By 3ds, do you mean the Nintendo 3DS? If so, then I see what you are talking about. The enGadget review was kind of half arsed in my opinion. Especially when the phone was tested with all of the bloody radios being on. That is madness.
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By 3ds, do you mean the Nintendo 3DS? If so, then I see what you are talking about. The enGadget review was kind of half arsed in my opinion. Especially when the phone was tested with all of the bloody radios being on. That is madness.
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If you trust reviews the Palm Pre was a great phone.
That's all I have to say about the credibility of reviews.
Return policies exist for a reason.
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I was planning on getting the phone anyway (the dev base is going to be awesome!!!). I don't really rely on reviews for my decision making. I was just astonished at the scores it received, and I was wondering what others had to say about it.
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I was planning on getting the phone anyway (the dev base is going to be awesome!!!). I don't really rely on reviews for my decision making. I was just astonished at the scores it received, and I was wondering what others had to say about it.
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I understand.
Unfortunately the cold hard truth is its very rare to find a reviewer that doesn't allow their bias to OBVIOUSLY influence their review of a product.
Which is pathetic.
For instance, Engadget.
They just posted an article about the BB Playbook and you should have read the sarcasm. (Engadget is obviously extremely pro Apple)
When reviewing they should get an unbranded phone and not be allowed to know the maker until after they publish the review.
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I understand.
Unfortunately the cold hard truth is its very rare to find a reviewer that doesn't allow their bias to OBVIOUSLY influence their review of a product.
Which is pathetic.
For instance, Engadget.
They just posted an article about the BB Playbook and you should have read the sarcasm. (Engadget is obviously extremely pro Apple)
When reviewing they should get an unbranded phone and not be allowed to know the maker until after they publish the review.
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Yea, Engadget can definitely be bias sometimes. I am looking at the article right now. It truly is a shame.
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Yea, Engadget can definitely be bias sometimes. I am looking at the article right now. It truly is a shame.
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Look back at the recent goings on at Engadget...some of their best folks are leaving do to internal policies that they can't live with...meaning write the engadget party line and not an unbiased article. Just my 2 cents worth.
When purchasing anything I read the reviews, review the specs, consider the manufacturers production quality but more importantly their customer service record and then make my OWN decision.
Now as other posters have pointed out a large consideration is the Xda developers that are migrating to the EVO 3D. That alone is a very, very positive plus. Yeah, I'm buying the 3D.
I'm torn after the reciews as well... I'm lucky though because my free upgrade isn't until August, so i have the benefit of seeing what shakes out with both the dev base and new offerings phone-wise (quad core by 4Q 2011?).