3vo - EVO 4G General

3vo - EVO 4G General

So after seeing some of the reviews from quite a few sites, which of you guys are going to still migrate to the Evo 3d from the Evo?
One thing that bugged me was the supposedly bad battery life. If I'm correct doesn't the Sensation share the same Processor as the Evo 3D? So how does it perform worse? Kind of baffled me. Anyhow do any of you guys hold faith?
Edit: I know I should ignore reviews since the only opinion that matters is mine, but man did the phone get slammed. It was quite daunting for me.
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DDiaz007 said:
So after seeing some of the reviews from quite a few sites, which of you guys are going to still migrate to the Evo 3d from the Evo?
One thing that bugged me was the supposedly bad battery life. If I'm correct doesn't the Sensation share the same Processor as the Evo 3D? So how does it perform worse? Kind of baffled me. Anyhow do any of you guys hold faith?
Edit: I know I should ignore reviews since the only opinion that matters is mine, but man did the phone get slammed. It was quite daunting for me.
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from the one review it got 14 hrs doing a decent amount of stuff with 4g that sounds pretty good stock to me i remember when i got my evo last oct battery life was horrid i couldnt even make it through a 8 hr day so once it gets some tweaks here and there i bet it will be killer idk im only gonna get the chance to play with in the store :/ dont have the money to pony up atm for a phone full price lol

I was disappointed mainly by the camera performance (both 2D and 3D). Also, the 3D screen did not meet acclaim. Even the buttons and build quality were questioned.
I agree, battery will be fine once set up properly.
I wasn't forking it over to upgrade anyways, but I was still disappointed.

My guess is battery life will easily be double what the Evo's is.

Exactly. The reviews just disturbed me though. People mention that it is the same phone as the Sensation but with more RAM and a 3D capable screen. The Sensation in reviews had excellent battery life yet in the Evo 3D reviews it had horrid battery life (to some, and no to others). They both operate on the Adreno 220 GPU and they both share the same processor, which is the Qualcomm MSM8660 so that left me quite baffled. Not only that, but they are running the same software unless the Sensation doesn't have gingerbread. So I found it quite hard to comprehend how the EVO 3D would have bad battery life.

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Exactly. The reviews just disturbed me though. People mention that it is the same phone as the Sensation but with more RAM and a 3D capable screen. The Sensation in reviews had excellent battery life yet in the Evo 3D reviews it had horrid battery life (to some, and no to others). They both operate on the Adreno 220 GPU and they both share the same processor, which is the Qualcomm MSM8660 so that left me quite baffled. Not only that, but they are running the same software unless the Sensation doesn't have gingerbread. So I found it quite hard to comprehend how the EVO 3D would have bad battery life.
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due to the 3d
this is the 3ds stats
175 minutes - Full 3D, WiFi, max. brightness, full volume
262 minutes - No 3D, WiFi off, min. brightness, volume off, power-save mode enabled
and they have a smaller screen the 3ds screen is only 3.53 inches display (3.02 inches wide, 1.81 inches high) granted they have a second screen that is
3.02 inches (2.42 inches wide, 1.81 inches high)
so as you can see 3d is taxing even when turned off sounds like the evo3d has a way better batt life to me

DDiaz007 said:
Exactly. The reviews just disturbed me though. People mention that it is the same phone as the Sensation but with more RAM and a 3D capable screen. The Sensation in reviews had excellent battery life yet in the Evo 3D reviews it had horrid battery life (to some, and no to others). They both operate on the Adreno 220 GPU and they both share the same processor, which is the Qualcomm MSM8660 so that left me quite baffled. Not only that, but they are running the same software unless the Sensation doesn't have gingerbread. So I found it quite hard to comprehend how the EVO 3D would have bad battery life.
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If you trust reviews the Palm Pre was a great phone.
That's all I have to say about the credibility of reviews.
Return policies exist for a reason.

By 3ds, do you mean the Nintendo 3DS? If so, then I see what you are talking about. The enGadget review was kind of half arsed in my opinion. Especially when the phone was tested with all of the bloody radios being on. That is madness.

DDiaz007 said:
By 3ds, do you mean the Nintendo 3DS? If so, then I see what you are talking about. The enGadget review was kind of half arsed in my opinion. Especially when the phone was tested with all of the bloody radios being on. That is madness.
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yes im talking about the nintendo 3ds

mattykinsx said:
If you trust reviews the Palm Pre was a great phone.
That's all I have to say about the credibility of reviews.
Return policies exist for a reason.
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I was planning on getting the phone anyway (the dev base is going to be awesome!!!). I don't really rely on reviews for my decision making. I was just astonished at the scores it received, and I was wondering what others had to say about it.

DDiaz007 said:
I was planning on getting the phone anyway (the dev base is going to be awesome!!!). I don't really rely on reviews for my decision making. I was just astonished at the scores it received, and I was wondering what others had to say about it.
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I understand.
Unfortunately the cold hard truth is its very rare to find a reviewer that doesn't allow their bias to OBVIOUSLY influence their review of a product.
Which is pathetic.
For instance, Engadget.
They just posted an article about the BB Playbook and you should have read the sarcasm. (Engadget is obviously extremely pro Apple)
When reviewing they should get an unbranded phone and not be allowed to know the maker until after they publish the review.

mattykinsx said:
I understand.
Unfortunately the cold hard truth is its very rare to find a reviewer that doesn't allow their bias to OBVIOUSLY influence their review of a product.
Which is pathetic.
For instance, Engadget.
They just posted an article about the BB Playbook and you should have read the sarcasm. (Engadget is obviously extremely pro Apple)
When reviewing they should get an unbranded phone and not be allowed to know the maker until after they publish the review.
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Yea, Engadget can definitely be bias sometimes. I am looking at the article right now. It truly is a shame.

DDiaz007 said:
Yea, Engadget can definitely be bias sometimes. I am looking at the article right now. It truly is a shame.
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Look back at the recent goings on at Engadget...some of their best folks are leaving do to internal policies that they can't live with...meaning write the engadget party line and not an unbiased article. Just my 2 cents worth.
When purchasing anything I read the reviews, review the specs, consider the manufacturers production quality but more importantly their customer service record and then make my OWN decision.
Now as other posters have pointed out a large consideration is the Xda developers that are migrating to the EVO 3D. That alone is a very, very positive plus. Yeah, I'm buying the 3D.

I'm torn after the reciews as well... I'm lucky though because my free upgrade isn't until August, so i have the benefit of seeing what shakes out with both the dev base and new offerings phone-wise (quad core by 4Q 2011?).

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Worried No Reviews out yet

as it stands im torn between getting the Desire Hd or the SGS, With this phone just less than 2 weeks away from launching. I find it strange that its not been reviewed yet by the likes of Engadget or GSMArena i would have thought HTC would have sent out a Review handset even with BETA firmware. The way its looking it will be onsale before its even been reviewed. I want to read a few reviews before making my mind up on which handset to get. I want a handset that takes good photo'S and videos and i know the SGS is great there but im put off with the problems GPS,LAG etc. I was hoping the DHD would be good but ive got a feeling that the samsung will be better for photo's and videos. Then again i know that HTC will most probably have more updates and the most likly to get gingerbread. Oh this is hard

Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.

Volker1 said:
Look! The database ate yesterday's replies!
Engadget is a US-only site and certainly won't review a phone that doesn't support their oddball 3G frequencies.
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That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.

SupremeBeaver said:
That's not necessarily true. Engadget reviewed the original Desire and the Legend.
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True, but with the old Desire it was clear that it would be available in the US later (and, in fact, currently is in a CDMA-version). I don't know why they reviewed the Legend without mentioning the 3G bands supported, though

The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.

stormfury_2 said:
The DHD is basically Europe's etc EVO 4G without the LTE bands (from what I've read and seen). So I'm hedging my bets that the DHD and EVO will perform very similarly in regards to camera and video quality. Performance wise I've heard the DHD is better than the EVO but I can't remember the exact benchmark results, I'm sure googling knows the answer though.
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Im forced to disagree with your opinion on camcorder similarities. The EVO records up to 23 fps. If u see the vids it looks really choppy and not smooth at all.
I'll agree with many people here that, from what we've seen, the quality of the DHD isnt great, but it keeps a solid 30 fps throughout the clip and is far more smooth than the EVO (or any other HTC phone for that matter).

May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).

DHD and Evo have nothing in common except for the 4.3" screen. But that doesn't change the public perception that they are similar... even Engadget proclaimed that the DHD is "an Evo for the rest of the world". But then, as their recent editorials have shown, Engadet editors aren't too technically apt

stormfury_2 said:
May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
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I'm not sure where you got that idea. The processor speed may be the same but it's a different CPU / GPU (and the GPU is a *lot* faster).

I am well aware the CPU and GPU are newer and much more efficient. My point in reply was that the physical camera could easily be the same model used in the EVO. As people have seen with the N1 and Desire a software update can bring in new features such as the 720p recording and so on.
Anyway I wouldn't be worried about the lack of reviews. HTC may be preventing the reviews from being published until release, it isn't unknown for companies to with hold reviews at their discretion for whatever reason. I wager the review units are out their and being played with and put through their paces right now and when ready you will see them in print and online.

stormfury_2 said:
May be so but the actual hardware are identical in specs if you compare them on paper. May just be firmware or driver differences that make the difference in recording. (but honestly I don't know I'm just comparing the specs of both phones).
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You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.

cobhc said:
You must be comparing them in your head or something then, because the Desire HD has a 8255 Snapdragon processor, where as the EVO has a 8650 Snapdragon processor.
Both are 1 GHz in clock speed, but that's about all they share. The 8255 has a 45nm manufacturing process, which means less power consumption and lower heat compared to the 8650's 65nm manufacturing process, and the onboard GPU on the Desire HD is an Adreno 205 compared to the 200 on the EVO 4G.
Do a search for Adreno 205 on YouTube and you'll see just how much more advanced the 205 is. This will be really good when Android 3.0 comes out and we see an accelerated GUI.
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My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.

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My previous post before yours explains what I was actually talking about in the first place. My fault for not making clear I was only talking about the camera.
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I see, I must have been busy replying when you posted.

Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!

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Just youtubed the 205 and you're right it does look pretty special. I think I'm going to bully my iPhone 4 toting friends when i get my DHD. Can't wait!
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Yeah, that game they showcased looked amazing to me.

My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.

stormfury_2 said:
My only real concern is battery life, but hopefully having a power efficient CPU/GPU should ease the drain. I'd be more than happy with a 2 day battery, I can just about squeeze that out of my Hero running Elelinux 1.9 - moderate to heavy use.
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if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.

SupremeBeaver said:
if you buy a spare battery then you'd never have to worry about the phone dying on you again. You're effectively doubling your battery life, and it only costs like 15-20 pounds extra.
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Probably the best idea, will wait and see my upgrade is due just after release so I'm hoping orange will stock it in enough numbers so I can get it. In fact I'll call them this week and find out, assuming they're not going to ignorant and unaware of it's existence still

I've been searching like crazy for reviews as well.
For some reason, HTC seems to be withholding them. I have no idea why, but I think positive reviews would only increase pre order sales and general perception of what is soon to be their flagship phone!
Seems a bit strange, but oh well!

Review
Hi there,
Been using the phone for 3 days (from saturday on):
Battery consumption overnight (8.5h with BT and WiFi on; 3G network): 10%
Phone is running smooth and fast.
Compared to my HTC HD2, the screen reacts faster and more precise.
Seems to be a bit heavier than HD2 and definitely is somewhat longer. No problem though to keep it in shirt breast pocket.
Screen is nice and clear, pixels not showing and less saturated colors than Samsung I9000 Galaxy.
WiFi is very fast.
BT is OK to other laptops, mobiles and carkit.
Voice quality is fine both incoming and outgoing.
The only thing nagging me: I can't change the color of my Exchange agenda items. It works ok with Google agenda's as long as you use the bottom three rows of colors. Exchange won't do it.
Recommend it to anyone searching for top smartphone.
Regards,

Anyone switch from the Epic?

I have had an Epic since launch and i do love the phone. The battery life isn't the greatest and the keyboard misses keys, but i do love the screen, camera and GPU.
I have the opportunity to switch to a Shift if i please, so i'm wondering if anyone has switched from the Epic and if they life the Shift better and why, and also what they don't like better.
The FFC is no issue for me, and i do understand the screen is a downgrade and so is the camera (just slightly though).
I'm looking for feedback on how the battery compares, any lag, keyboard, responsiveness, etc.
Thanks

I would suggest reading through here

BrandoKC said:
I would suggest reading through here
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I read that, it includes the Evo as well. I'm looking for answers to my questions about the comparisons.

I switched from an Epic to a Shift (w/i my 30 days) and let me say I for one am more satisfied. It is completely personal preference, I do not use a FFC for anything and do not play any games really and preferred the portability. The Epic would be the choice if you play a lot of games but for me personally the 2.2 and probable support (i.e. 2.3) plus the smaller size pushed me in the direction of the Shift. Coming from someone who had a the Epic for almost 3 and a half weeks the phone of great but I just was worried that the lack of Samsung support for the phone would make the purchase seem dated in a few months.
Hope this helps!

mheat3 said:
I switched from an Epic to a Shift (w/i my 30 days) and let me say I for one am more satisfied. It is completely personal preference, I do not use a FFC for anything and do not play any games really and preferred the portability. The Epic would be the choice if you play a lot of games but for me personally the 2.2 and probable support (i.e. 2.3) plus the smaller size pushed me in the direction of the Shift. Coming from someone who had a the Epic for almost 3 and a half weeks the phone of great but I just was worried that the lack of Samsung support for the phone would make the purchase seem dated in a few months.
Hope this helps!
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Awesome, mind if i pick your brain?
1) How does the keyboard compare?
2) Does it lag at times?
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift?
4) Do you miss the Epic screen?
Thanks!

1) How does the keyboard compare? about the same, although i rarely use the keyboard except for longer messages/emails
2) Does it lag at times? not in my experience so far
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift? about the same, with an edge to Shift (i got two days on my last charge)
4) Do you miss the Epic screen? at times (sunlight etc) but overall its not that big of a deal

zeravla531 said:
Awesome, mind if i pick your brain?
1) How does the keyboard compare?
2) Does it lag at times?
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift?
4) Do you miss the Epic screen?
Thanks!
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I am the "only" one who seems to have a slow shift. I could ramble more but I will stick to the questions asked and answer them from the experience I've received with my phone.
1. I make less mistakes typing on the shift hardware keyboard.
2. Yes. Comparing it to evo and epic, yes.
3. Honestly, I don't remember anything that makes a major difference in battery life between the two that would stand out (except for one thing). I can charge the shift and use it and the battery level will increase. I cannot do the same with the epic. The shift seems, notice I said seems, to take less time to fully charge than the epic.
4. I miss the epic's larger screen. The colors were bright and the blacks were definitely black. Comparing either htc to the epic, the htc's colors look blah and washed out. They aren't really but the colors on the epic are vibrant, dare I say exaggerated, when compared to whatever in real life. The epic screen is definitely in the eye candy category.
Most of the other shift owners out there will probably disagree with me. It's kinda like windows. With a fresh install, or straight out of the box, that's the fastest its ever going to run. From that point on, its all downhill. The more you install on it, the slower it will get. That is just my opinion.

I had an epic from launch and my wife has a shift. The screen is really not that much of a downgrade except in terms of size. Its very quick and will only get faster once oc kernels. Personally I jumped to the evo because I like the big screen but that is just a preference thing.
As to the keyboard it is light years ahead of the samsung. The only issue I've had is that with a case on hitting the top row can be a little difficult but then again I have fat fingers. My wife absolutely loves the phone and I would readily recommend it to anyone who either thinks the evo is too big or wants a physical keyboard.
I do not miss the screen at all. Finally I was getting 28 hours on bonsai4all with the epic. My wife spends a lot of time on facebook and browsing the web and its generally around 20% when she plugs it in at night so its pretty decent. It does charge significantly slower than my evo or the epic but if you charge it over night you'll never notice.
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Between the Samsung Epic and the HTC EVO Shift 4G, I would recommend the Epic. Samsung already has an FroYo 2.2.1 update in place. The push back comes from Sprint as they the update is still being reviewed by their QA/QC team so FroYo 2.2.1 is not just a dream for those who have the Samsung Epic. The Epic has Corning's Gorilla Glass instead of regular glass like on the HTC EVO Shift 4G. The Gorilla Glass is resistant to not only scratching, but cracking and shattering if dropped. A drop from 1 meter on to a non cushioned surface such as carpeting will have you kissing your LCD on the HTC EVO Shift 4G goodbye. You also get a SAMOLED screen which has a more vivid display of colors, microSD 8x larger on the Samsung Epic, $50 worth of free movie/television episode rentals as well as a CPU which is still faster than the one in the HTC EVO Shift 4G which is a 2nd generation CPU for the Snapdragon. I personally feel the $50 difference more for the Samsung Epic over the HTC EVO Shift 4G is worth it.

wireless.praying.mantis said:
Between the Samsung Epic and the HTC EVO Shift 4G, I would recommend the Epic. Samsung already has an FroYo 2.2.1 update in place. The push back comes from Sprint as they the update is still being reviewed by their QA/QC team so FroYo 2.2.1 is not just a dream for those who have the Samsung Epic. The Epic has Corning's Gorilla Glass instead of regular glass like on the HTC EVO Shift 4G. The Gorilla Glass is resistant to not only scratching, but cracking and shattering if dropped. A drop from 1 meter on to a non cushioned surface such as carpeting will have you kissing your LCD on the HTC EVO Shift 4G goodbye. You also get a SAMOLED screen which has a more vivid display of colors, microSD 8x larger on the Samsung Epic, $50 worth of free movie/television episode rentals as well as a CPU which is still faster than the one in the HTC EVO Shift 4G which is a 2nd generation CPU for the Snapdragon. I personally feel the $50 difference more for the Samsung Epic over the HTC EVO Shift 4G is worth it.
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I disagree entirely. While the update may not be a dream, it is indicative of the kind of support samsung has for their devices and for a top-of-the-line phone to be A) Released without the most recent OS Update and B) Go more than four months without being updated is just pathetic and it doesn't bode well for a Gingerbread update which is again pathetic. With Samsung's showing at CES its clear that the already released SGS devices are a distant memory in their minds which is sickening. I will never and I repeat never buy another Samsung product after how I felt treated by their customer support.
As for the Hummingbird processor being faster you are only partially correct. The 800MHz processor in the Shift is underclocked to that speed and has been successfully overclocked to a stable 1.9GHz whereas nothing similar has been done on the Epic (people who bring up the supposed 1.6GHz achieved on the epic was not real) and have more than doubled the scores the Epic or any other currently released device has ever achieved in any benchmark. The one thing the Epic and any Hummingbird based phone has the upper hand in is graphics processing and I will admit that it is leaps and bounds ahead of any other processor on the market in that aspect. But as I know no one who uses their phone as a serious gaming platform its a non-issue.
Finally, as to the screens: I sold TVs for quite a while. I can pick out the difference between a Samsung first gen LED TV and a second gen. I can tell you within a reasonable margin of error the color contrast ratio on any television (by reasonable I mean within say a hundred on a lower end tv and within a few thousand on the high end LEDs). I can look at a TV and tell you how well the color is calibrated in it within a few images.
Can I see the difference between the SAMOLED and the SLCD? Yes, I can. But even to my very trained eyes it is negligible. Very negligible. My wife, a person who cannot tell you if we have a LED, LCD, or Plasma television despite being with me when we bought it can't tell the difference at all.
And the gorilla glass? Yes its strong. But if you drop your phone, bad things happen. Period. If you worry about dropping your phone, save the $50 you would waste on an absolute POS and get an Otterbox case or something in that vein. I can promise you'll be much happier.
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I just noticed your 'mistake' in the spelling of shift. You've been reported for cursing and trolling.

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I disagree entirely. While the update may not be a dream, it is indicative of the kind of support samsung has for their devices and for a top-of-the-line phone to be A) Released without the most recent OS Update and B) Go more than four months without being updated is just pathetic and it doesn't bode well for a Gingerbread update which is again pathetic. With Samsung's showing at CES its clear that the already released SGS devices are a distant memory in their minds which is sickening. I will never and I repeat never buy another Samsung product after how I felt treated by their customer support.
As for the Hummingbird processor being faster you are only partially correct. The 800MHz processor in the Shift is underclocked to that speed and has been successfully overclocked to a stable 1.9GHz whereas nothing similar has been done on the Epic (people who bring up the supposed 1.6GHz achieved on the epic was not real) and have more than doubled the scores the Epic or any other currently released device has ever achieved in any benchmark. The one thing the Epic and any Hummingbird based phone has the upper hand in is graphics processing and I will admit that it is leaps and bounds ahead of any other processor on the market in that aspect. But as I know no one who uses their phone as a serious gaming platform its a non-issue.
Finally, as to the screens: I sold TVs for quite a while. I can pick out the difference between a Samsung first gen LED TV and a second gen. I can tell you within a reasonable margin of error the color contrast ratio on any television (by reasonable I mean within say a hundred on a lower end tv and within a few thousand on the high end LEDs). I can look at a TV and tell you how well the color is calibrated in it within a few images.
Can I see the difference between the SAMOLED and the SLCD? Yes, I can. But even to my very trained eyes it is negligible. Very negligible. My wife, a person who cannot tell you if we have a LED, LCD, or Plasma television despite being with me when we bought it can't tell the difference at all.
And the gorilla glass? Yes its strong. But if you drop your phone, bad things happen. Period. If you worry about dropping your phone, save the $50 you would waste on an absolute POS and get an Otterbox case or something in that vein. I can promise you'll be much happier.
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I just noticed your 'mistake' in the spelling of shift. You've been reported for cursing and trolling.
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I concur -_-
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zeravla531 said:
I have had an Epic since launch and i do love the phone. The battery life isn't the greatest and the keyboard misses keys, but i do love the screen, camera and GPU.
I have the opportunity to switch to a Shift if i please, so i'm wondering if anyone has switched from the Epic and if they life the Shift better and why, and also what they don't like better.
The FFC is no issue for me, and i do understand the screen is a downgrade and so is the camera (just slightly though).
I'm looking for feedback on how the battery compares, any lag, keyboard, responsiveness, etc.
Thanks
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I am currently using both devices. I'm yet to have a full days use with the Shift but ill post back when I can give an honest and educated opinion. I've used the Epic for about 2 months so I know that phone fairly well.
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'Mistakes" happen.

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'Mistakes" happen.
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They rarely happen with such precision.
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herbthehammer said:
I am the "only" one who seems to have a slow shift. I could ramble more but I will stick to the questions asked and answer them from the experience I've received with my phone.
1. I make less mistakes typing on the shift hardware keyboard.
2. Yes. Comparing it to evo and epic, yes.
3. Honestly, I don't remember anything that makes a major difference in battery life between the two that would stand out (except for one thing). I can charge the shift and use it and the battery level will increase. I cannot do the same with the epic. The shift seems, notice I said seems, to take less time to fully charge than the epic.
4. I miss the epic's larger screen. The colors were bright and the blacks were definitely black. Comparing either htc to the epic, the htc's colors look blah and washed out. They aren't really but the colors on the epic are vibrant, dare I say exaggerated, when compared to whatever in real life. The epic screen is definitely in the eye candy category.
Most of the other shift owners out there will probably disagree with me. It's kinda like windows. With a fresh install, or straight out of the box, that's the fastest its ever going to run. From that point on, its all downhill. The more you install on it, the slower it will get. That is just my opinion.
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I was wrong. I just discovered that it was an unknown app that was causing my slowdowns and lag. I haven't figured out which one or combination of apps was causing the problems. I uninstalled just about everything I downloaded then I noticed a dramatic speed increase all of a sudden. Less is more. My shift is snappy like everyone elses now.

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I was wrong. I just discovered that it was an unknown app that was causing my slowdowns and lag. I haven't figured out which one or combination of apps was causing the problems. I uninstalled just about everything I downloaded then I noticed a dramatic speed increase all of a sudden. Less is more. My shift is snappy like everyone elses now.
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Assuming the app(s) was nothing embarrassing, would you please share what it was?
Edit: just read your other post where you state you do not know.

Just bought the EVO Shift 4g and I still have my Epic 4g. My wife has the EVO 4g. I have got to say that “day 1” impressions on the little Shift are HIGH.
The display is not as big as the Epic’s or EVO’s, but the text is SUPER crisp, especially when compared to the Epic. The blacks and color contrast is better on the Epic but the difference is not too bad. It’s the texts that are not even comparable. The Shift wins hands down in that category.
Battery after one day is superior on the Shift.
Keyboard, despite the fact it’s missing the top row that the Epic has, is much better in feel and actually records EVERY one of my inputs. I was constantly having issues with the Samsung Epic’s keyboard not responding to all of my inputs.
Quality is a no brainer here. The Shift feels like one SOLID piece when compared to the Epic. The Epic's slider does automatically slide all the way to the open position with little effort, but is EXTREMELY cheap in its feel. Simply put, you know that the Epic is a slider and the Shift feels like one solid piece.
The Shift feels perfect in size when used as a phone. There’s a new concept! It is a phone.
Overall I am extremely pleased with the overall experience. I will continue to report back with the differences noted in the upcoming days.
One last thing. I can’t believe that this bad boy is only running at 800 MHz because it is as or more responsive than my Epic. Trust me, I tried ALL ROMs out there for the Epic and the Shift is definitely holding its own. I could only imagine what it will feel like once rooted with a solid overclocking kernel.

1) How does the keyboard compare?
The Shift wins hands down. Once you get used to the size difference there's no comparison. I've never missed a key whereas the Epic was notorious for that.
2) Does it lag at times?
Not in my experience. I've been using it for about 2 days consistently and while surfing the web, listening to music and bouncing between messages I haven't experienced any lag. Maybe its too new for that to be a factor.
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift?
Equivalent with the Epic being slightly better at times. I generally have music playing consistently thoughout the day. At the time I'm using both the Epic and the shift with the Epic being the device I play music on. Listening to music all day I was charging my Epic by about 8 pm after taking from the charger at about 11. I was charging my Shift shortly after that after a day of constant messaging and occasional internet browsing. I would assume music consumes more battery. But I haven't tried the same music listening rate on the shift yet.
4) Do you miss the Epic screen?
Yes but not enough to sway my thoughts either way.
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OFFICIAL: Samsung Galaxy SII coming to Sprint as the Samsung Within

Probably been mentioned before, but I don't really care...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-us-carrier-names-revealed-atandt-attain-veri/
So I'm really reconsidering the EVO 3D now.

Hmm.. as much as I hate Samsung, that phone is beautiful. And if HTC is locking down the Evo 3D, I may actually have to purchase a Samsung.
It kind of hurts to say that.

Not me....its still a Samsung. 3d all day!!!
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swaze said:
Not me....its still a Samsung. 3d all day!!!
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If the 3D is locked down the way they say it is, flashaholics will either have to go through rehab, or get another maker's phone that isn't so locked down.

Yes. If the 3D is locked down. Coupled with Sammys new desire to change their bad rep.. with the Galaxy S looking to be one of the first phones officially Upgraded to GB. This phone is looking SO much better.
I just REALLY hope it doesn't have a crappy physical keyboard. I want it just the way it is. Sammy phones also have excellent battery life right out the box so waiting for a solid root method/custom roms/kernels won't be an issue.

3D is a gimmick at best. If the Samsung's battery life is significantly better than that of the EVO 3D, I'll have no choice. For me, personally, performance, battery life, and display quality are the most important things on a smartphone. The SII was overclocked to 1.5GHz yielding 4000+ Quadrant scores. That's impressive. The battery life is also pretty good coming from some reviews. I feel the 3D feature and camera on the new EVO will guzzle that battery. And I don't care how good qHD is, that Super AMOLED Plus 4.3" screen is pure sex. The slimness of the SII doesn't hurt either. I don't know about you, but I'm somewhat over my EVO's shape/style... hoping for something different and the EVO 3D doesn't really offer that.
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3D is a gimmick at best. If the Samsung's battery life is significantly better than that of the EVO 3D, I'll have no choice. For me, personally, performance, battery life, and display quality are the most important things on a smartphone. The SII was overclocked to 1.5GHz yielding 4000+ Quadrant scores. That's impressive. The battery life is also pretty good coming from some reviews. I feel the 3D feature and camera on the new EVO will guzzle that battery. And I don't care how good qHD is, that Super AMOLED Plus 4.3" screen is pure sex. The slimness of the SII doesn't hurt either. I don't know about you, but I'm somewhat over my EVO's shape/style... hoping for something different and the EVO 3D doesn't really offer that.
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While I agree about the 3D portion being a gimmick. It won't be killing the battery unless you're using it.. which is optional. I doubt people that think of it as a gimmick will use it much.
I am 100% with you on your points tho. Performance, battery life, display quality are most important. Samsung repairing their rep is also really starting to win me over. My mom has the mesmerize... that thing looks awesome and has excellent battery life. Plus she is about to get a GB update...
I love HTC.. but I just feel liek the new Sense 3.0 will bring the same poor battery life even with a bigger battery. It may be a little better.. but prolly not much. If the bootloader is encrypted.. then forget about it.

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Yes. If the 3D is locked down. Coupled with Sammys new desire to change their bad rep.. with the Galaxy S looking to be one of the first phones officially Upgraded to GB. This phone is looking SO much better.
I just REALLY hope it doesn't have a crappy physical keyboard. I want it just the way it is. Sammy phones also have excellent battery life right out the box so waiting for a solid root method/custom roms/kernels won't be an issue.
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That is the determining factor for me, if it does have a physical keyboard then count me out.

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That is the determining factor for me, if it does have a physical keyboard then count me out.
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Sadly, I agree with you.
I somehow don't think it will tho. The commercial I seen on youtube was showing off how thin it was by sliding it under a door... I would hope they don't plan on killing that by adding a keyboard.

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Probably been mentioned before, but I don't really care...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-us-carrier-names-revealed-atandt-attain-veri/
So I'm really reconsidering the EVO 3D now.
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What about this is "OFFICIAL"? Is it that it's coming to Sprint or the name? I read the link but didn't see an official source, sorry if I missed that.

I dont care if the 3D is locked down or not this will be my next phone. Thats all I needed to hear.

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What about this is "OFFICIAL"? Is it that it's coming to Sprint or the name? I read the link but didn't see an official source, sorry if I missed that.
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It's a picture of a case with it naming Sprint as one of the carriers for their device.... can't get much more official except for Sprint coming out and admitting to it

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It's a picture of a case with it naming Sprint as one of the carriers for their device.... can't get much more official except for Sprint coming out and admitting to it
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I made a case for it and it's going to be called the Samsung DooDooHead.
Official?

I'm pretty sure this will not have a physical keyboard, look at the case. Case in point (pun intended).
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This is one tempting phone. If it comes with no keyboard then that is my next phone. Pending a few months after release to see reviews and reliability on this sexy beast.
Nexus S looks so old now.....
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My next phone will either be this or the Nexus 3 depending on where it goes and when.

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This is one tempting phone. If it comes with no keyboard then that is my next phone. Pending a few months after release to see reviews and reliability on this sexy beast.
Nexus S looks so old now.....
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Yea it does lol it performs like a beast but not comparative to the S2 I will be returning my nexus s
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I'd take this over the 3d. HTC seems to always have battery issues with every phone, and I know they did with every phone I or a friend has had. Couple that with a locked down bootloader and this guy is going SGII (as long as the build quality is good).
Pocket posted...

There is no physical keyboard, the phone is just 0.33 inches thick (Evo is 0.47"). You just had to click the link in the first article and you get a full review of the phone:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/

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There is no physical keyboard, the phone is just 0.33 inches thick (Evo is 0.47"). You just had to click the link in the first article and you get a full review of the phone:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
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Yes, it was the same way on the Galaxy S 1. Once it came to the US, each major carrier got a different version. Verizon/Us Cellular looked about identical with AT&T varying only a little.
As we know, the Sprint Epic 4G was the bastard child of the galaxy S line... horrible.

Beast SGS2 vs Sensantion

i had sensation as second phone so i would like to share my feelings.
I purchased this flagship from HTC having HTC desire S, and also HD. Desire S is owned by my wife atm and she is happy enough. so i like HTC - thats for start
First feelings - impressed- nice phone. Got it - charged to full and lets rock!
Booting and starting to check out system. after 1 hour with screen on + wifi my battery went down to 35% - i say ok its the first cycle lets wait. - after one week its the same. if u wanna watch movie in plane while flying for about 2 hours u better take spare battery - not saying there is no divx support at all.
- keeping sync on gmail and just stand by eats the battery about 10% a hour! not touching the device at all.
-i though ok, lets live with pure battery anyway. but then it started. while holding the phone in landscape - death grip is saying HELLLOOOO i am here! loosing conectivity is normal - wifi disapear - signal went down 2. amazing. i coudlnt believe it. i had never suffered from anything like that -talking about HTC.
-web browsing - no hardware acerelation at all means opening web sites with heavy flash content is taking ages. not mentioning zoom in or out during the stream. while SGS2 can keep streaming during the zooming interval without any lags or issues! i was disapointed a badly. i can see small plus with the resolution - u can feel small diference - i mean better - sharper pages. but not brigther or lighter - the display is so reflective that u can use it as mirror and using the phone under direct sunnlight is almost impossible. so one more +handy mirror
someone rings you? hm how can u hear the phone if the volume set on max is extremly low - even my dog cant hear it!!! if u wanna share some youtube video with your friends they gotta put thems ears on the back panel in order to enjoy it. another disapointment - a big one. not speaking about the quality of the speaker (poor anyway) its about the noise level - being extremly low.
i said ok i like HTC so lets find something i can like/enjoy and finally be happy about.
camera/compare to SGS2 is a bit disapointing again. double flash doesnt help. i could paint better pics then sensation can make. i mean it.macro? what is it?
so i kept going and trying - still searching with hope i will like something.
i though ok i will use it as gps navigation in car at least. lol what a fail. after 4 hours on gps battery dead! maybe i am gonna develop double car charger 2in1 in order to keep sensation alive.
no i am not HTC hater at all. but the huge disapointment that HTC made this time is deadly bad. They made nice looking compact device without brain. its like ferrari with skoda engine and seats from seat. i though it will bring something extraordinary and special - even after installing costum roms - the battery improved and speed 2 - not browsing speed and the battery went up from 8 hours moderate use to 8 hours and 10 min - not mentioning juice defender on at all the times ofc.
so i just changed the sensation on local advertising web site for another SGS2 - u set the add and then meet the possible costumer in person.
and i told the guy that i made the deal with him - lets exhchange hurry - and now i will tell u what u did. U could see his frozen face! He become my friend now and after having almost all previous HTC devices he said he wont come back untill something better will be developed - on HTC side.
SO happy days guys here. And just small tip - sensation is the only one device getting closer in terms off hardware to SGS2 - but the reall power of SGS2 is deep in THE SKY!
I hope this will help some people with doubs about battery life and performance issues.
Once again - i have nothing against HTC and i like them, but i believe they didnt set up sensation well atm. looking at stats list it should perform much better then it does. just quick example - i dont like quadrant or bench tests once its fast and smooth i dont need any bench to confirm that. but the highest i could get from sensation was 3400 on quandrant with 1600 OC!!!!! lol
so i will end this with words;
HAPPY BRIGHT DAYS WITH SAMSUNG
forgive me for my broken english

Are you on drugs? None of that post made sense
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The Sensation is seeming more and more like an interim flagship. The E3D already has more RAM and from everything posted Sense 3.0 is a pig and needs all it can get. The Vigor on Verizon is going to have a full 720p display and a 1.5ghz processor. The Holiday on AT&T is going to have a 4.5" qHD display and also 1GB of RAM. By the end of the year the Sensation's going to be forgotten.

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if u dont have anything constructive to say better dont do it - advice for your future life!

BarryH_GEG said:
The Sensation is seeming more and more like an interim flagship. The E3D already has more RAM and from everything posted Sense 3.0 is a pig and needs all it can get. The Vigor on Verizon is going to have a full 720p display and a 1.5ghz processor. The Holiday on AT&T is going to have a 4.5" qHD display and also 1GB of RAM. By the end of the year the Sensation's going to be forgotten.
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hm i gotta check it out.

I've only just recently jumped onto android after owning every iphone, the sensation was a handset I was considering but reviews put me off.
The two things that made me avoid it were the lack of amoled, and the apparent locked bootloader.
I never got round to playing with a sensation as the store had no demo models.
I am happy enough with my galaxy s so far though

JGS2 said:
I've only just recently jumped onto android after owning every iphone, the sensation was a handset I was considering but reviews put me off.
The two things that made me avoid it were the lack of amoled, and the apparent locked bootloader.
I never got round to playing with a sensation as the store had no demo models.
I am happy enough with my galaxy s so far though
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yeh the bootloader is locked but u can find already few nice leaks on thems forum(sensation forum on XDA). not saying GO FOR IT but honestly at its price range and with its performance better buy SGS2 or stay with SGS1.

Hunteres said:
yeh the bootloader is locked but u can find already few nice leaks on thems forum(sensation forum on XDA). not saying GO FOR IT but honestly at its price range and with its performance better buy SGS2 or stay with SGS1.
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How long do you think the galaxy s 2 will stay top end for?
I know technology moves quickly but I just hope I made the right decision and there's not a better phone coming out next month or something....

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How long do you think the galaxy s 2 will stay top end for?
I know technology moves quickly but I just hope I made the right decision and there's not a better phone coming out next month or something....
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If I had to guess, I'd say either a SGS2.5 or SGS3 will be out before the holidays. The Nexus 3/Prime is supposed to be out in October and the advances I mentioned above in the two HTC phones will probably prompt Samsung to release something higher end. Think about this though. They just updated and are continuing to sell a version of the SGS1 and it's been out for over a year. So the SGS2 may not be state-of-the-art by Christmas but it should still very much be current.

honestly i believe u can use SGS2 for about an year - untill another companies will reach its level. and SGS2 will last on the top untill SGS3 will be released. and the date inst confirmed yet. but SGS1 is still a good phone. if u dont have enough money or dont wanna waste it just stay where u ar and wait for bargain to upgrade.

BarryH_GEG said:
If I had to guess, I'd say either a SGS2.5 or SGS3 will be out before the holidays. The Nexus 3/Prime is supposed to be out in October and the advances I mentioned above in the two HTC phones will probably prompt Samsung to release something higher end. Think about this though. They just updated and are continuing to sell a version of the SGS1 and it's been out for over a year. So the SGS2 may not be state-of-the-art by Christmas but it should still very much be current.
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Thanks.
That's one thing I find overwhelming coming from apple phones, android has so many handsets running so many different versions of the operating system.
With an apple handset you're pretty much fine for a year, though you have to put up with the restrictive nature of ios.
Ah well either way I'm going to try and keep hold of this handset for 12 months, unless something really tempts me to "upgrade"

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Future life? I don't believe in reincarnation
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Zac95 said:
Are you on drugs? None of that post made sense
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Lol... epic...

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Future life? I don't believe in reincarnation
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Not every one on these forums is a native English speaker. Go easy on the guy

I appreciate the OP's comments as I have been wondering how the HTC sensation fares compared to the SGS2. I also find it funny that the HTC battery seems to be a little worse than SGS2 especially given the complaints by some SGS2 users about battery life. I can watch about 5 hours of video on mine no problem.

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I appreciate the OP's comments as I have been wondering how the HTC sensation fares compared to the SGS2. I also find it funny that the HTC battery seems to be a little worse than SGS2 especially given the complaints by some SGS2 users about battery life. I can watch about 5 hours of video on mine no problem.
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I have the Sensation as well and the battery life on it is pretty bad. On the SGS2 with moderate to heavy use I get about 16-18 hours. WIth the Sensation it's a miracle if I get 10. There are two things about the Sensation that are better than the SGS2 and only one is of any practical significance. The first is the HTC keyboard. The auto-correct function on the HTC device is excellent and is far better than Samsung's stock keyboard. The other is weather. No one comes close to what HTC has done with their weather UI. It's nice eye candy but that's about it.

BarryH_GEG said:
If I had to guess, I'd say either a SGS2.5 or SGS3 will be out before the holidays. The Nexus 3/Prime is supposed to be out in October and the advances I mentioned above in the two HTC phones will probably prompt Samsung to release something higher end. Think about this though. They just updated and are continuing to sell a version of the SGS1 and it's been out for over a year. So the SGS2 may not be state-of-the-art by Christmas but it should still very much be current.
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I wouldnt know what to feel if something new and better comes out before the end of the year, If they are going nvidia quadcore (Kal-El) then its highly possible they are gonna out a 720P screen as its been in production already.. I wonder if they improved anything aside from bumping the res.

The SGS1 was the fastest phone for almost a year when it got released. NOTHING from the competition could compare when it came down to pure specs last year.
The Desire HD and iPhone 4 were the closest competition, and the SGS1 always won out in benchmarks and in IRL usage.
I would say that the SGS2 will probably not be trumped until early next year. The Nexus Prime will probably have similar innards as the SGS2

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The Desire HD and iPhone 4 were the closest competition, and the SGS1 always won out in benchmarks and in IRL usage.
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iRL usage there are some few aspects the the Iphone4 is faster but other usage scenarios the S1 was faster and was even far more functional than the Iphone4.
Im pretty sure Iphone5 will be targeted to compete with the S2, Infact I even wish the Iphone5 would be better + faster in the majority of tests so that Samsung and Google can hurry up ang release the S3 and ICS.

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Made sense to me... Just read.
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Would jumping to the Sensation be a bad move?

So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys

Tried my friend's Sensation out for a day and he tried my Atrix out for the same day.
The Sensation was slightly laggy, even for such a powerful processor (or was i just used to the smoothness of the Atrix?) camera was awesome and overall the phone is pretty damn good! However, he got it back with a full battery (had to charge it overnight or else it would die on me) whereas when he gave my Atrix back, it was still running on the charge from a day ago, after his heavy use too (albeit, it was nearly dead). If i was you, i'd stay with the Atrix, but at the end of the day, it's up to you.

Only if you don't mind losing battery life...
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?

Wond3r said:
Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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AFAIK it was all stock, not even rooted. We just like to swap our devices every once in a while (done the same with game consoles). I'm not saying it's a bad device though

If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.

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If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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yea i dont see that as a good idea as your buddy who gets the atrix will be the clear winner in that trade!
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double posted, same reply as above, sorry!

I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.

We all have difference opinions. Some may love it but some may not. Try testing out at places or with a friend and get the feel for it. Dev here are not very active just yet but in mean time they will.
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I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
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I used to have an atrix and personally.. trading it for a sensation was the best move ever. However, I had to add on a bit of cash
I hate how the atrix recognizes the internal as an "sd card" and my other reasons was because Sense>Motoblur (in my opinion!) and I liked the looks of the sensation more + on top of that, (correct me if I'm wrong) the development in atrix forums seemed to slow down.. and on the other hand, sensations dev is still going strong! I also think that the back cover is 100x better - but, there's also flaws with the sensation cover. Can't say it's perfect
Also everyone complaining about battery life.. my sensation was unplugged 10pm last night, went to bed, woke up with 90% remaining, went to work! Got home it's now 3pm and I'm at 55% (I had a ~30 minute call and lots of texts as well as gmail syncing 2 accounts/facebook/twitter) HOWEVER I'm using a different battery. Look up "Anker". This thing is a beast! Surprisingly, it's lasting very well. I wouldn't say the battery is an issue. With this 55% it will definitely last me until tonight!
Just my two cents! I'm also in canada as well and signal/speed isn't an issue either.

You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.

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You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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Well, if he defends it and everyone elses opinions/arguments are better than his, then the atrix will be the clear winner! and agreed with the opinions part!

I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix

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I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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i would stick on the Atrix bandwagon for a little while longer, we're about to get nightlies on CM7 which means all our devs will be able to work on their own individual projects again. the only reason our development slowed down was because ibproud organized most of the Atrix devs into a group to port CM7 for us; now that it's almost done, people will start building their own ROMs and hacks.
it may take a month or two more, but it'll most definitely be worth the wait

Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
Sensation:
- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.

OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
Wond3r said:
So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
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If i were you i'd look to swap for the sensation XE not the sensation as i believe the atrix to be better than the normal sensation

the2dcour said:
OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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?? Wtf?

Notorious544d said:
Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
Sensation:
- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
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I wouldn't say that the Geforce ULP is betfer than the Adreno 220 GPU. Just look at the benchmark results on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17 (don't forget the qHD resolution on all Adreno 220 phones either). Also the processor of the Atrix is not faster; it handles flash better because of software reasons, but that 0,2GHz difference is visible in Linpack, so I guess custom ROMs would unleash that power with software optimizations. Also something you left out is the lack of NEON support in the Atrix (no .mkv playback or high profile h.264).
I don't want to say that the Atrix is not a great phone - I had it for a while, but then sold it for an SGSII (great decision) - but the Sensation is just better imo.

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