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Does anyone know where to find the tweak cabs to enable HD2 support for AT&T HSPA? Ordered my HD2 from Expansys-USA and am wondering whether the device supports that band here too.
Thanks.
It's not possible. The Euro 3g is different from American 3g. We're stuck with Edge.
Hello,
/the UMTS bands are:
1) Physical Hardware that set and only work on those bands of hardware?
2) Band are set by the flash .rom?
For example, the euro model has UMTS of 900/2100 mhz. Could a flash change those to 1700/2100 mhz?
Thank you,
Monnie
No, it requires new hardware.
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No, it requires new hardware.
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Not entirely true, it's all based on the chipset that is being used and if a particular band is available and unlocked. We've seen in the past extra bands being unlocked on a phone that originaly didn't have (supposedly) any additional bands.
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250 (HTC Leo) which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
•1 GHz CPU
•600MHz DSP
•Integrated 3G mobile broadband
•Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
•Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
•High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
•High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
•High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
•12-megapixel camera support
•Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
•Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
•Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
•Qualcomm’s hybrid mode alternative solution
I personaly would like this processor, also Snapdragon: QSD8672
The single-chip, dual-CPU QSD8672™ includes most of the above features, in addition to:
•Dual CPUs, up to 1.5 GHz for faster response and processing
•Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
•Higher-resolution WSXGA (1440 x 900) display support
•High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback
•Support for HSPA+ networks - 28 Mbps downloads and 11 Mbps uploads
•Supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B networks
•Improved 3D graphics - up to 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec
What I am trying to find is what GSM, HSPA bands the 'chip' supports, hard to find...
Nighthawk said:
Not entirely true, it's all based on the chipset that is being used and if a particular band is available and unlocked. We've seen in the past extra bands being unlocked on a phone that originaly didn't have (supposedly) any additional bands.
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Hello,
Not that I have any experience with phone platforms but, my logic tells me, It is all the same system boards and the bands are "set" at the factory. I can not imagine that a different system board is used for different bands.
My real question is, is there a technique to change these bands other than at the factory?
Thank you,
Monnie
MonnieRock said:
Hello,
Not that I have any experience with phone platforms but, my logic tells me, It is all the same system boards and the bands are "set" at the factory. I can not imagine that a different system board is used for different bands.
My real question is, is there a technique to change these bands other than at the factory?
Thank you,
Monnie
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They can disable/enable bands on a chip if they want too by a lot of different methods (software, not connecting pins etc.), assuming the chip is capable of using the bands. Now, not every phone chipset is capable of handing more bands than what is listed as specs by carrier, but... As I said earlier, there have been phones that were capable of using more bands than originaly listed (spec'd) and those bands were activated at a later date.
One way to keep a phone exclusive is to restrict what band it uses.
A simple example of this would be the 802.11n registry fix on HD2, all it took was a registry entry to enable it (chipset was capable, just not activated by HTC).
No HSPA on the HTC HD2? rediculous...
Hi all,
I switched from a HTC Advantage x7500 class device which is 2 years old, and it did HSPA no problem.... I saw a "H" (for HSPA) in the top menu bar icon for data connect. Now with the HD2, a newer phone from the same manufacturer, all I get it "E" (for EDGE) on the same networks. LAME.
If thats the case, and EDGE is the best we can get on this phone where hspa worked clearly before, then HTC really blew it on this and this phone is a big mess-up to put it mildly. I was going to standardize my entire workplace on this phone--but not with this crippling limitation... rediculous.
Can anyone get around this with a piece of software/registry hack? I am appalled...
What about "wait until it's released officially on your network"? Then you'll get a version that can.
There's more than chipset, rom settings etc to getting compatibility on a band. Power amps, filters, etc... which are strictly hardware defined.
Why would a manufacturer make their radios WORSE or at least LESS COMPATIBLE in a newer model than a previous flagship version and lose something so data-critical like HSPA support... makes so little sense when making unlocked phones.
Because there's not enough physical space available, because it's significantly more expensive, because the chipset doesn't support it, because you don't want parallel imports, for licensing reasons,... many possibilities.
I'm inferring you bought a phone that isn't native to your market.
Odds are that you simply bought the wrong model. I'll guess you bought a T8585 instead of a T9193 (look on the back, at the bottom you'll see a T and a NextG icon.) If 3G matters to you, sell the 8585 and buy the 9193 and you'll get the 3g you so desire.*
*Unless you're in Japan, or something
mazzarin said:
I'm inferring you bought a phone that isn't native to your market.
Odds are that you simply bought the wrong model. I'll guess you bought a T8585 instead of a T9193 (look on the back, at the bottom you'll see a T and a NextG icon.) If 3G matters to you, sell the 8585 and buy the 9193 and you'll get the 3g you so desire.*
*Unless you're in Japan, or something
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+1 on this
I like the idea of buying a handset without doing research or have a proper understanding of it before hand.
lude219 said:
I like the idea of buying a handset without doing research or have a proper understanding of it before hand.
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Go buy an iphone... it's everything u would want in a phone.. you don't need any knowledge at all b4 buying one.. looks like that's what u would be needing. =)
I will pose another question.
My htc pure will not go past 1.5 mbps hsdpa.
The phone comes with HSPA 7.2 ready built.
Eventhough AT&T has opened the 7.2 to be used used with
HTC Aria & Samsung Captivate which are running in speed tests beetween 3.2 mbps and 4.0 mbps. My pure refuses to work at such a speed.
My question is...
Is there a way for me to manipulate it with new configuration, or is is automatic, therefore being blocked by AT&T.
if anyone has any good advice, please write
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I will pose another question.
My htc pure will not go past 1.5 mbps hsdpa.
The phone comes with HSPA 7.2 ready built.
Eventhough AT&T has opened the 7.2 to be used used with
HTC Aria & Samsung Captivate which are running in speed tests beetween 3.2 mbps and 4.0 mbps. My pure refuses to work at such a speed.
My question is...
Is there a way for me to manipulate it with new configuration, or is is automatic, therefore being blocked by AT&T.
if anyone has any good advice, please write
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7.2mbps is theoretical, i.e. if the Gods are having a good day and all the planets are in alignment, then maybe, just maybe, you might get 7.2Mbps*
If it is stuck at 1.5Mbps, it sounds like a limit imposed somewhere as its a bit too rounded a number to be to do with distances, angles and interference. It could be your local cellsite isn't capable?
*it'll depend on things like distance from cell and stuff like that too.
http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=vanity:evo
4.3'' screen, Sense, 1GHz Snapdragon, 8MP main cam + 1.3MP front one, same thin border design, added stand, all the same good stuff, plus even an HDMI output... Now who's complaining HD2 doesn't get WP7S? Screw WP7S
kilrah said:
http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=vanity:evo
4.3'' screen, Sense, 1GHz Snapdragon, 8MP main cam + 1.3MP front one, same thin border design, added stand, all the same good stuff, plus even an HDMI output... Now who's complaining HD2 doesn't get WP7S? Screw WP7S
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this must b released as hd3
Hopefully this will be easier to get android on the HD2 with this, hopefully someone will get a dump from this phone and let the android development begin!
I tried the N1 and didn't like it, even with the Desire ROM. Something about the aesthetic design of the HD2 lured me back. And it pretty much already did whatever I wanted, so that was cool too. If I didn't already have the HD2, I'd definitely switch for this phone!
im jealous, i don't know much about my HD2 but I put the buggyness and stuff down to it being windows, i thought the HD2 would be better as android.
I'm jealous...
I just ordered a Desire to replace my HD2, but this blows everything away... unfortunately, only for US citizens
wow. seriously.
hdmi out, 720p 8mp cam., front facing camera...
im still getting the tmo hd2. and from the pics of both, i still prefer the hd2 looks.
Do we know what 3G bands (if any) this supports?
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wow. seriously.
hdmi out, 720p 8mp cam., front facing camera...
im still getting the tmo hd2. and from the pics of both, i still prefer the hd2 looks.
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It had to come didn't it? Just when we thought our gorgeous HD2 couldn't get any better.
Let's hope HTC are on a roll with these big screen fast machines, for now my trusty old HD2 will suffice (just about )
hd2 is now killed from both sides (no updates , better hardware avaliable)
New Snapdragon(8650), HDMI-out, 4G, 8Mpx Camera, 1.3Mpx Front Camera, 1Gb internal storage.. and the list goes on! Best phone ever.
There is just no end to this technology chasing race, now is there?
at this rate, I might as well have 4 different lines.
T-Mobile, At&T, Verizon and Sprint.
Oh, and to top that,
EVO has 1500Mah battery.
[email protected]!
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Do we know what 3G bands (if any) this supports?
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Re-posting this so it doesn't get overlooked -- it's the important question for non-Sprint customers or non-USA residents.
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hd2 is now killed from both sides (no updates , better hardware avaliable)
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so what? do you expect it to be best phone for ever? omg I don't get people like you... buy something and expect it to be the best think for eternity.
shu8i said:
what? do you expect it to be best phone for ever? omg I don't get people like you... buy something and expect it to be the best think for eternity.
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i didnot say that i only said it is killed iam who don't understand you
Looks thicker. Maybe 14-16mm? Seems like they integrated the kickstand from the extended HD2 battery into the body of the EVO.
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New Snapdragon(8650)[/B] [/U]
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The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks.
So its not faster or anything. Only difference is the supported network connectivity ...
And, like aceo07 said, it seems to be thicker - and longer too.
The Evo 4G looks nice, but I think the HD2's formfactor is perfect ... wouldn't want to trade for an hdmi output and the better camera, as I just don't really need both ...
chalid said:
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks.
So its not faster or anything. Only difference is the supported network connectivity ...
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Quoting this for effect and reinforcement.
chalid said:
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks.
So its not faster or anything. Only difference is the supported network connectivity ...
And, like aceo07 said, it seems to be thicker - and longer too.
The Evo 4G looks nice, but I think the HD2's formfactor is perfect ... wouldn't want to trade for an hdmi output and the better camera, as I just don't really need both ...
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I'd trade in mine any second! I know it isn't faster, but newer hardware is always newer hardware.
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I'd trade in mine any second! I know it isn't faster, but newer hardware is always newer hardware.
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8650 is not new it was released when ours released and there is devices already uses it ,look at qualcomm site
Pros? Cons? To my understanding, much of the world uses GSM. Why the split in America? I've always wondered and all that I've read on Google is just eh information. I was wondering if anyone had a more educated opinion, or maybe just a good answer?
http://m.gizmodo.com/5637136/giz-explains-gsm-vs-cdma
They're both aging technologies. In several respects, GSM is better at this point.
- 3G on CDMA appears to have maxed out on speed. They've found ways to get 4G like speeds out of HSPA+, which is far better than CDMA can do.
- Simultaneous voice + data is possible on GSM. There is a new standard for it on CDMA as well, but it's not been widely deployed. Verizon may be starting to do it though.
- A lot of people like SIM cards for being able to swap phones instantly.
- If you travel internationally and if you want to be able to use your own phone there, GSM is better in most parts of the world.
Now, many of those things don't matter to some people. Some do. As for why there was a split, I don't know. I think early on, CDMA had better data rates, But HSDPA and HSPA+ have blown past it. Some of it may just be Qualcomm's success marketing to VZW and Sprint. The inability to evolve a 3G CDMA network beyond its current speed limits is certainly a legitimate downside that forces moving to a new technology.
I've seen it claimed that CDMA has better voice quality, and it doesn't seem to cause the same kind of interference with surrounding electronics that GSM does.
Everyone except Sprint is either deploying or planning to deploy LTE as the next generation of technology, and indications are Sprint may follow suit at some point. All indications are that LTE will become a global standard even more so than GSM already is.
It definitely causes some interference with sound equipment. Don't sit next to a sound board with a gsm phone...
Yea the radio noise from gsm phones drive me nuts, and always remember not to have your debit card and gsm phone in the same pocket. CDMA seems to have no effect on bank cards.
http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/spri...1x-advanced-much-faster-3g-speeds-on-the-way/
"Well well well look at what we have found for you folks that are on Sprint. We are not quite certain if this video was posted early or not, as Sprints big network/3G/4G conference is not until next month, but from the look of things their network enhancements are already well underway. What should you expect as a Sprint customer? How about EvDO Rev B which should see speeds in the 5 to 10Mbps down link depending on channel bonding, 1X Advanced which brings voice and data at the same time, as well as spectrum bonding to bring the best coverage available. Even better, Evo 3D and Epic Touch 4G users may be able to take advantage of this very soon.t Lets not forget who brought to you some pretty exclusive stuff regarding their “network vision” well before this was all announced."
It looks like the Epic 4g Touch does not have a rev b compatible radio. Still the best phone I ever owned. Before the OG Evo was on the top of that list.
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It looks like the Epic 4g Touch does not have a rev b compatible radio. Still the best phone I ever owned. Before the OG Evo was on the top of that list.
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Where did you hear this? I think I read somewhere that it was.
Better question is can the current Evo 4G handle rev.B?
Just curious.....what is a netword
free the dirk
if the following is true the evo supports rev b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G
As far as I know, the QSD 8650 supports rev. B, at least in hardware.
dottat said:
if the following is true the evo supports rev b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G
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I didn't think he was right. But..
The EVO features a CDMA cellular radio that supports 3G EVDO, Revisions 0, A, and the
as-of-yet undeployed B [citation needed] allowingfaster download and upload speeds, and better power efficiency. As well as WiMAX, protocol known as 802.16e, which features speeds of up to 10 Mbit/s on the downlink, and 1 Mbit/s on the uplink. The device is marketed as a 4G phone, WiMAX is considered to be a 4G technology based on 4G
I really hope this is true and that the Evo is able to support it! I'd love to get a boost in 3G speeds. I'm getting sick of how slow it gets sometimes and wimax is a joke, way too spotty coverage and very up/down with it's speed.
I wish I could post the links, but the HTC's spec page for the EVO states a QSD 8650 as the SoC and a search on Qualcomm's site confirms rev. B support.
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I wish I could post the links, but the HTC's spec page for the EVO states a QSD 8650 as the SoC and a search on Qualcomm's site confirms rev. B support.
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I don't think our phones are 1X advanced compatible though. I towuld be nice to be able to use REV B it really would.
My guess is that this would very likely be turned on somewhere for trials.. so perhaps people can keep checking their network status page to see that A turn into a B/....
I doubt that the EVO could take advantage of all of these improvements, although I suppose if the chipset supports rev B then that aspect is certainly possible. I know that when network vision was announced it was said that phones with chipsets supporting aspects of network vision (channel bonding, 1x advanced, etc.) would come out in the summer of 2011, but it was never announced which phones had these new chipsets (or perhaps all new phones after a certain date would have them, which makes sense in the long term as every handset on the network that supports channel bonding gives the network more flexibility).
It's certainly plausible that flagship phones such as the EVO 3D or Samsung Epic Touch would be the first to get them.
Edit: Not sure where in that video it states explicitly that Sprint is rolling out EVDO Rev B, but maybe I missed that. There's really not any new information in that video, this is the same basic info that Sprint's been promoting since network vision was first announced. Anyhow, even if the EVO can't make use or 1x advanced or Rev B, network vision will be good for data speeds on the EVO in a couple of ways: First, every phone that has the new chipsets potentially alleviates congestion on the network by allowing the phone to use 2.5 GHZ spectrum for CDMA voice and EVDO when available, freeing 1.9 spectrum for us EVO users. Second, the new towers provide better signal quality overall, so if you're in an marginal coverage area, you could get better signal quality from the new tower. And third, microwave back haul allows Sprint to no longer rely on its competitors when connecting individual towers to the backbone of its network, which provides increased backhaul capacity at lower cost.
The benefits are obviously more direct for phones with the newer chipsets, but every existing handset will benefit indirectly.
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As far as I know, the QSD 8650 supports rev. B, at least in hardware.
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Confirmed here
Its interesting that the upload is only 1mbps when I've been getting upwards of 900 right now. But seeing tthe down at 10 is awesome
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Confirmed here
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I checked on this before. The SoC supports it but I don't the antenna does. Something like that, check late last year.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-is-official/
micro SD, wireless charging, sold.
pebbles!!!!!
Think the vibrant forums may slow abit in June
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Not a huge fan of the white, but this phone still looks sick.
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Network: 2.5G (GSM/ GPRS/ EDGE): 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
3G (HSPA+ 21Mbps): 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
4G (Dependent on market)
Display: 4.8 inch HD Super AMOLED (1280x720) display
OS: Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
Camera Main(Rear): 8 Mega pixel Auto Focus camera with Flash & Zero Shutter Lag, BIS
Camera Sub (Front): 1.9 Mega pixel camera, HD recording @30fps with Zero Shutter Lag, BSI
Video Codec: MPEG4, H.264, H.263, DivX, DivX3.11, VC-1, VP8, WMV7/8, Sorenson Spark
Recording & Playback: Full HD (1080p)
Audio Codec: MP3, AMR-NB/WB, AAC/AAC+/eAAC+, WMA, OGG, FLAC, AC-3, apt-X
Connectivity: WiFi a/b/g/n, WiFi HT40, GPS/GLONASS, NFC, Bluetooth® 4.0(LE)
Sensor: Accelerometer, RGB light, Digital compass, Proximity, Gyro, Barometer
Memory: 16/ 32GB User memory (64GB available soon) + microSD slot (up to 64GB)
Dimension: 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm, 133g
Battery: 2,100 mAh
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a379900/samsung-galaxy-s3-smartphone-unveiled.html
I dont know how true this is but according to those radio frequencies we may not be able to use it on tmobile(which needs both 2100mhz and 1700mhz for its AWS spectrum). do you think this will ever come stateside for tmobile?
its has 1700 and 2100
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No LTE versions till December? Bummer. Hopefully, T-Mo can get theirs this June.
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No LTE versions till December? Bummer. Hopefully, T-Mo can get theirs this June.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/05/sma...-carrier-with-quad-core-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/
Most likely
That's awesome news if that's true but where did you see that it supports 1700mhs. Is the phone going to be pentaband. It wouldn't be hard to assume since its a world phone.
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I will be underwhelmed if the device's larger screen means larger size. The GS2 is big enough. I miss my vibrant's footprint.
I was hoping it wouldn't have a pentile screen but I will probably be picking it up anyways. Hopefully the high DPI will make up for it.
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its has 1700 and 2100
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Where did you get this info from?
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Where did you get this info from?
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Honestly, it doesn't matter. I know for SURE 100% it will come to TMOBILE.
The specs may be different, because the version that is currently out is INTERNATIONAL, the US version will prob have software buttons like Gnex etc.
Samsung has always released every Galaxy to ALL US carriers, why stop now?
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Honestly, it doesn't matter. I know for SURE 100% it will come to TMOBILE.
The specs may be different, because the version that is currently out is INTERNATIONAL, the US version will prob have software buttons like Gnex etc.
Samsung has always released every Galaxy to ALL US carriers, why stop now?
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Big Red last year, but they got GNex.
xriderx66 said:
Honestly, it doesn't matter. I know for SURE 100% it will come to TMOBILE.
The specs may be different, because the version that is currently out is INTERNATIONAL, the US version will prob have software buttons like Gnex etc.
Samsung has always released every Galaxy to ALL US carriers, why stop now?
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Not true with respect to all carriers. More like all major carriers and this past year T-Mobile is questionable with regards to being a major carrier.
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dardani89 said:
Not true with respect to all carriers. More like all major carriers and this past year T-Mobile is questionable with regards to being a major carrier.
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Us major carriers
ATT
VERIZON
SPRINT
TMOBILE
That's the big 4 carriers of USA.
Others like cricket, metro are relatively smaller than the 4
However I do agree tmo is the smallest of the four, but it is larger then the rest by quite a bit still, even with its significant decline in customers
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what happend to the 12mp camera? dangit. apple might take advantage of this.
if this phone gets SOD, i'm returning it right away. i've dealt with too many on the vibrant.
^People are stupid for assuming and believing rumored specs. I'm ok with the specs to be honest....just some people were expecting too much which is their own fault.
And when the iPhone comes out with '****' specs, then expect the same results. Not that I care about Apple.
so tmobile is going to setup their LTE network on the 1700/2100 mhz AWS band and they're going to move they're HSDPA+ network on the 1900 mhz band which the GS3 supports. they've already started doing this in some markets so if you bought the international version it would work on tmobiles 3g network if you're in the right market for now, but by early 2013 it would be covered in all of tmobiles coverage area. For now you could get 3g speeds with the international GS3 in the Pacific Northwest, Nevada, Utah and California. I've read that some people also mentioned Chicago pretty recently but I dont know how true that is. Damit I hope it comes to New York soon.
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... For now you could get 3g speeds with the international GS3 in the Pacific Northwest, Nevada, Utah and California. I've read that some people also mentioned Chicago pretty recently but I dont know how true that is. Damit I hope it comes to New York soon.
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So I'm living in California and travel to Utah on a regular basis. If I got the international GS3 I would be able to use the 3G+ speeds on T-mobile? Does that same thing apply to the HTC One X international as well then? This is very interesting indeed.