http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/spri...1x-advanced-much-faster-3g-speeds-on-the-way/
"Well well well look at what we have found for you folks that are on Sprint. We are not quite certain if this video was posted early or not, as Sprints big network/3G/4G conference is not until next month, but from the look of things their network enhancements are already well underway. What should you expect as a Sprint customer? How about EvDO Rev B which should see speeds in the 5 to 10Mbps down link depending on channel bonding, 1X Advanced which brings voice and data at the same time, as well as spectrum bonding to bring the best coverage available. Even better, Evo 3D and Epic Touch 4G users may be able to take advantage of this very soon.t Lets not forget who brought to you some pretty exclusive stuff regarding their “network vision” well before this was all announced."
It looks like the Epic 4g Touch does not have a rev b compatible radio. Still the best phone I ever owned. Before the OG Evo was on the top of that list.
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It looks like the Epic 4g Touch does not have a rev b compatible radio. Still the best phone I ever owned. Before the OG Evo was on the top of that list.
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Where did you hear this? I think I read somewhere that it was.
Better question is can the current Evo 4G handle rev.B?
Just curious.....what is a netword
free the dirk
if the following is true the evo supports rev b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G
As far as I know, the QSD 8650 supports rev. B, at least in hardware.
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if the following is true the evo supports rev b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G
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I didn't think he was right. But..
The EVO features a CDMA cellular radio that supports 3G EVDO, Revisions 0, A, and the
as-of-yet undeployed B [citation needed] allowingfaster download and upload speeds, and better power efficiency. As well as WiMAX, protocol known as 802.16e, which features speeds of up to 10 Mbit/s on the downlink, and 1 Mbit/s on the uplink. The device is marketed as a 4G phone, WiMAX is considered to be a 4G technology based on 4G
I really hope this is true and that the Evo is able to support it! I'd love to get a boost in 3G speeds. I'm getting sick of how slow it gets sometimes and wimax is a joke, way too spotty coverage and very up/down with it's speed.
I wish I could post the links, but the HTC's spec page for the EVO states a QSD 8650 as the SoC and a search on Qualcomm's site confirms rev. B support.
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I wish I could post the links, but the HTC's spec page for the EVO states a QSD 8650 as the SoC and a search on Qualcomm's site confirms rev. B support.
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I don't think our phones are 1X advanced compatible though. I towuld be nice to be able to use REV B it really would.
My guess is that this would very likely be turned on somewhere for trials.. so perhaps people can keep checking their network status page to see that A turn into a B/....
I doubt that the EVO could take advantage of all of these improvements, although I suppose if the chipset supports rev B then that aspect is certainly possible. I know that when network vision was announced it was said that phones with chipsets supporting aspects of network vision (channel bonding, 1x advanced, etc.) would come out in the summer of 2011, but it was never announced which phones had these new chipsets (or perhaps all new phones after a certain date would have them, which makes sense in the long term as every handset on the network that supports channel bonding gives the network more flexibility).
It's certainly plausible that flagship phones such as the EVO 3D or Samsung Epic Touch would be the first to get them.
Edit: Not sure where in that video it states explicitly that Sprint is rolling out EVDO Rev B, but maybe I missed that. There's really not any new information in that video, this is the same basic info that Sprint's been promoting since network vision was first announced. Anyhow, even if the EVO can't make use or 1x advanced or Rev B, network vision will be good for data speeds on the EVO in a couple of ways: First, every phone that has the new chipsets potentially alleviates congestion on the network by allowing the phone to use 2.5 GHZ spectrum for CDMA voice and EVDO when available, freeing 1.9 spectrum for us EVO users. Second, the new towers provide better signal quality overall, so if you're in an marginal coverage area, you could get better signal quality from the new tower. And third, microwave back haul allows Sprint to no longer rely on its competitors when connecting individual towers to the backbone of its network, which provides increased backhaul capacity at lower cost.
The benefits are obviously more direct for phones with the newer chipsets, but every existing handset will benefit indirectly.
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As far as I know, the QSD 8650 supports rev. B, at least in hardware.
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Confirmed here
Its interesting that the upload is only 1mbps when I've been getting upwards of 900 right now. But seeing tthe down at 10 is awesome
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Confirmed here
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I checked on this before. The SoC supports it but I don't the antenna does. Something like that, check late last year.
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I just read that Android doesn't naively support Wimax in 2.1 and Sprint put some of their code in to make it work on the EVO. This seems similar to the way HTC used code in 1.5 to make the Hero work before 1.6 came out. Is there any chance we would be able to take that code and have Wimax on the Hero? Please read disclaimer below in case you are about to flame me.
Disclaimer: I realize this may be a really stupid question. I'm unfamiliar with Wimax and what hardware it requires so if the Hero just doesn't have the hardware capabilities then obviously this is a mute point.
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I just read that Android doesn't naively support Wimax in 2.1 and Sprint put some of their code in to make it work on the EVO. This seems similar to the way HTC used code in 1.5 to make the Hero work before 1.6 came out. Is there any chance we would be able to take that code and have Wimax on the Hero? Please read disclaimer below in case you are about to flame me.
Disclaimer: I realize this may be a really stupid question. I'm unfamiliar with Wimax and what hardware it requires so if the Hero just doesn't have the hardware capabilities then obviously this is a mute point.
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pretty sure they wont be releasing that "code" to the public
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I just read that Android doesn't naively support Wimax in 2.1 and Sprint put some of their code in to make it work on the EVO. This seems similar to the way HTC used code in 1.5 to make the Hero work before 1.6 came out. Is there any chance we would be able to take that code and have Wimax on the Hero? Please read disclaimer below in case you are about to flame me.
Disclaimer: I realize this may be a really stupid question. I'm unfamiliar with Wimax and what hardware it requires so if the Hero just doesn't have the hardware capabilities then obviously this is a mute point.
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Moot point.
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Moot point.
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and for those who wish to know what he means by this....
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot_point
code or no code the hero is not capible
Short answer: No
The radio is physically different. Just like GSM/CDMA are physically different.
Hero's Supercharged Big Brother on meth, crack & roids
Wimax and 4g are just 2 of the reasons we will ALL be buying the EVO the minute it drops
EVERYONE WITH ME?????
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Wimax and 4g are just 2 of the reasons we will ALL be buying the EVO the minute it drops
EVERYONE WITH ME?????
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I'm in!
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wait lol wimax and 4g are the same thing lol
When I bought my Hero last October I knew next to nothing about 3g/4g etc... except the fact that 4g was faster and supposedly coming very soon to SLC. The salesman at the sprint store told me that the Hero is 4g capable and would just get an update when 4g was officially available. He also told me that there was already spotty 4g coverage in the SLC area. I know now he didn't know wtf he was talking about and just told me that to sell the phone.
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wait lol wimax and 4g are the same thing lol
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No they're not. "4G" is a standard term for certain speeds in mobile data networks.
(Technically WiMax is only a theoretical 4G network... in actual practice it's a lot slower than the 4G standard.)
at least he realized it was a dumb question while he was writing it... lol
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When I bought my Hero last October I knew next to nothing about 3g/4g etc... except the fact that 4g was faster and supposedly coming very soon to SLC. The salesman at the sprint store told me that the Hero is 4g capable and would just get an update when 4g was officially available. He also told me that there was already spotty 4g coverage in the SLC area. I know now he didn't know wtf he was talking about and just told me that to sell the phone.
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I"m sure that was salesman BS.
The Hero definitely does not have the radio for WiMax.
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I'll buy one the minute I see Root.
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No they're not. "4G" is a standard term for certain speeds in mobile data networks.
(Technically WiMax is only a theoretical 4G network... in actual practice it's a lot slower than the 4G standard.)
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No it's not..
4G is a standard term for the "4th Generation" of Mobile Data Networks..Not the actual speeds..
The speeds are then classified by the competitor, based on their network capabilities...
The speed of the network is defined by WiMax standards... Not by 4G standards..
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No it's not..
4G is a standard term for the "4th Generation" of Mobile Data Networks..Not the actual speeds..
The speeds are then classified by the competitor, based on their network capabilities...
The speed of the network is defined by WiMax standards... Not by 4G standards..
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True, 4G referes to 4th Generation. However, there are standards bodies (just like IEEE) that set out what minimum speeds are required to be considered 4th gen wired and wireless technologies (1Gbit for wired, 100Mbit for wireless.)
Eh really this does bring up something that will be interesting for me as a dev. I don't think that wimax/4g support is gonna be all in the kernel. For good reason. The modifications HTC made to get cdma to work in android 1.5 were not at all closed source kernel modifications. That is proven by the fact Maejep backported the gsm kernel to cdma and data worked the second he got it booting. The actual modifications HTC made were actually in the system build its self. Through apks that were closed source. Now I get and have gotten a few leak builds that have had wimax support in them. They were all gsm devices granted. But they still had a directory called wimax in the system. Now with that in mind my eclair dev build always had that directory in it and had the proper setup un the ramdisk to initiate wimax and it attempted to do so on every boot. Anyhow it was a given that the hero hardware didn't support wimax I know. But in regards to the Evo it leaves me wondering will we be able to use wimax in aosp builds. Will it be possible to move the wimax diff into aosp builds.
But yeah it just got me thinking
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...But in regards to the Evo it leaves me wondering will we be able to use wimax in aosp builds. Will it be possible to move the wimax diff into aosp builds.
But yeah it just got me thinking
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Very interesting point. After all, you KNOW that everyone is going to want an AOSP EVO ASAP (darn, I got acronym blowout).
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that set out what minimum speeds are required to be considered 4th gen wired and wireless technologies (1Gbit for wired, 100Mbit for wireless.)
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And what would those bodies be? Because in my 10 year wireless experience, this would be the first mention I have heard of them...........
The wireless standards are set by what the network capability is.. No ifs or buts.
The 1G,2G,3G,4G references are only for the customer so they know what "level" they are on...
The only standards are set by what the technology can withstand, and are not "set" until after usage and bandwidth tests are run by the network...And they approve of those data ranges...
So again, the "standard" is set by how much data WiMax can move...
WiMax is not theoretical... Clearwire has been using it for the better part of 4 years now.. And the speeds are going to be the same as they always have. They used WiMax for the disaster relief people during Hurricane Katrina.. It is a ten year old technology..
I'm sure there's a different radio in there, but... isn't WiMAX a newer version of 802.11x. Eg. 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n, etc.?
There hasn't been any mention of it, but could it possibly be backwards compatible with 802.11n?
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I'm sure there's a different radio in there, but... isn't WiMAX a newer version of 802.11x. Eg. 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n, etc.?
There hasn't been any mention of it, but could it possibly be backwards compatible with 802.11n?
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Kind of...
It is a brand new protocol 802.16, and it does support some limited normal WiFi(802.11), but there is a brand new architecture for connecting IP-based networks, so some sort of scripting would need to be ran to convert back to the 802.11 architecture..
So.....
in short, probably not...
Recently read that sprint will be phasing out the iden network by 2013 and Dan Hesse Admitted Wimax was a failure and is considering the switch to LTE.
Could a switch to LTE ruin our 4Gness on our beloved Evos or would they still work?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/09/clearwire_sprint_wimax/
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprints-25-Billion-Network-Improvement-Plan-Hints-At-LTE-111703
Im just going out on a limb here but gonna throw my thoughts in on this . The phase out wont be till 2013 . With that being said most of us on the Evo will be well into a new phone by that time . General life span of phones (I said general) seems to be one year maybe two at most before someone jumps ship and gets another phone . I have also read that Wimax is an older technology that has been around for a while and the next logical jump would be LTE much like verizon is pushing . Now if for some reason you still have an Evo by the time the phase out is complete , I would suspect Sprint would either offer their customers an upgrade to work on the new network or atleast reduce the bills of the current evo owners still running an evo at that point . But from what I have seen and said in this post the likelyhood of any of us having the EVO in its current form by that time is very low . Its also possible the next gen of phones being released next year will start incorporating the LTE system (say for the sake of argument EVO2 LTE) to adjust to this change .
Wimax 2............ftw
Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Expect ptt over ip and not in the failed Qchat form. Most likely over 4G(wimax1,2 or LTE) data. Sprint has plenty option. They just have to play it right.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
Sort of. It only takes a firmware update to switch.
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hmmmm...maybe wimax and lte along with cdma and gsm...world wide phone..anywhere. Maybe Sprint quad band phones with quad core cpus in next 5-10yrs? Quad band with quad core.."4x4" on 4G. ok..dream over...
Youd need a 12 volt battery too. lol
I read a while back that sprint chose WiMax as its "4g" provider because the infrastructure was already in place since clear had been launched. And that if LTE deemed a better route that the WiMax network could be patched relatively easily to run LTE. Im not worried about it. If sprint was the first company to have 4g im pretty sure they wont leave their current WiMax customers without high speed service if Wimax is pulled off the market. But remeber as well that the article specifies Iden which is nextel. Thats a conpletely different animal. Only time will tell.
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So wimax and LTE hardware are compatible, interesting.
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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Current wimax network can be easily switched to LTE via software upgrade that's why the current wimax buildout will continue. Also wimax is backwards compatible with wimax 2. So sprint has a couple ways it could go. And they own a lot of spectrum.
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Thats good the two technologies are that compatible, I didn't know they could be used like that. You're right about Sprint having the Spectrum for it too. My guess is they tried getting rid of IDEN a few years back to use that spectrum for 4G but couldn't because of all the people still using it. The higher frequency WiMax is at now is what's holding it back.
They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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That's the only problem. If sprint goes with wimax 2 well be alright though. Early adopters always the test dummys.
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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Yeah, that's true but I still think the Evo is the best Android phone out. Maybe not the most powerful, but the most polished and well-built (software and hardware-wise).
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This is true until the G2 came out. That would be the only phone I would leave sprint for. I think the problem that came about with the Evo was it was rushed out for sprint. They could have cleaned up a bunch of problems before it even hit the street. **off soapbox**
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They're compatible from the transmitter's end, not the receiver's end (our phones).
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As long as they don't switch frequencies, then they will need to transmitters as well. Although they could probably leave the infrastructure they already have in place and finish the rest of it on the other frequency.
No, what I mean was that LTE and WiMax are not intercompatible in themselves.
Im glad to see that they can switch between wimax and LTE easily. I did not know that. Hopefully all the companies will have a roaming agreement in place. Also, isnt the range of LTE further than Wimax or is it the other way around?
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No. The transmitters use a WiMax card to transmit WiMax signal. All they would have to do on their end is swap the cards in the transmitters for LTE cards and then patch the software to interface with them instead of WiMax cards.
The bad news is that for us Evo and Epic (and Overdrive) owners, we won't get LTE with current hardware. And I know they'll use the "early adopter" excuse. Either way, I love my Evo, 4G or not. I hardly use 4G. I just hope they do the right thing and offer people money back or towards an upgrade. WiMax is fast, but isn't that great to begin with. I'd rather have LTE seeing as how it's becoming an international standard. The only thing I don't like is the cluttered frequency. Verizon and AT&T will both be using 700 MHz.
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By the time any switch happens, both the Evo and Epic will be very outdated. Not to many people will still have them. lol
wimax and lte
My best friend worked for sprint. Now works for AT&T. Wimax is not the problem. LTE is a different technology. What you have to understand is not the sofware but the signal. The Wimax from Sprint is running between 2.0 and 2.5 ghz. The problem with this is the structure penetration. 2.4ghz, if you remember is what older home cordless phones run on. Get to far away and, bam, no signal. Sprint could switch to the LTE format the the carrier frequency in the 2.0 to 2.5ghz spectrum will still not be able to penetrate structures well. My friend says the spectrum needs to be cleared up. vhf uhf tv. WTF. Get rid of them. You need to be at the 650mhz spectrum (his personal choice) so the the wavelength of the carrier wave will be able to penetrate building/structures. And pagers? Are you kidding me all phones double as a pager. Dump them. A doctor is going to get a page and use his cell phone to call in? waste of spectrum. So sprint needs to change the carrier frequency of wimax or lte (if it changes its mind) so that you can get your service indoors. The carrier frequency only is a delivery system(such as a semi truck delivering a tv). If you have a bad truck, tv does not get delivered. Know what I mean. All carriers need some free up of current spectrum so we can get some real penetration and better bars. I hate being a nerd. But WFT. Get a divorce and get an new life.
Cole
So bearing the news about the upcoming news of the verizon iPhone 4, alot of concerns were targeting its ability to do both voice and data at the same. Now we all know this is somewhat "impossible" on the CDMA network.... But, it looks like Verizon is in fact working on a way to make this happen.
"A lot of this will change in the future, as CDMA works on a solution to the simultaneous voice and data problem"
http://lifehacker.com/5731557/know-...d-verizon-before-committing-to-the-new-iphone
And a press release on how it'll be possible
http://pocketnow.com/news-archive/c...simultaneous-voice-and-data-usage-coming-soon
My only concern now is, is this only going to work on phones with upgraded hardware? or can this still be done, with say... a software/firmware upgrade?
I know many and myself would welcome such an update
Anyone have any thoughts to shed on this subject?
CDMA cannot handle voice and data at the same time, it is geared for voice OR data.
GSM is geared for both, but poorly, hense the dropped calls etc that ATT has problems with.
You can use voice on CDMA and data on something else, 4g, wifi, LTE, at the same time.
but apprently its Possible... read the article.
Latest revision of CDMA supports simultaneous voice and data, however most (all?) of the US CDMA carriers have not rolled it out.
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Latest revision of CDMA supports simultaneous voice and data, however most (all?) of the US CDMA carriers have not rolled it out.
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This is correct. Verizon is basically thinking about rolling it out, but since they're going with rolling out their LTE network, there's no real need to.
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Latest revision of CDMA supports simultaneous voice and data, however most (all?) of the US CDMA carriers have not rolled it out.
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This could be the "industry first" that they will announce on the 7th. Sprint/Verizon were rumored to upgrade to EVDO Rev B in Q4 '10 or Q1 '11 too. Man, it would be amazing if they launched the improved voice 1X and the upgraded EVDO on that date. Our EVO's come with the a Rev B radio too.. And like I said in the other thread, a lot of us are experience very weird fluctuations in EVDO speeds, could it be Sprint doing testing on the network? I can only hope.
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This is correct. Verizon is basically thinking about rolling it out, but since they're going with rolling out their LTE network, there's no real need to.
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I wouldn't be so sure. They won't be able to roll out a LTE coverage everywhere. 1X/EVDO will be a fall back for many, many years. This is even more logical for Sprint since their WiMax rollout is incredibly slow and I doubt will ever be efficient enough to be a full EVDO replacement.
I didn't think the Evo had a rev. B radio..
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I didn't think the Evo had a rev. B radio..
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You might be right. I'm basing it on a article I read during the summer which I remember mentioning that it's radio did have support.
Edit: From the QSD8650 spec:
Embedded 600MHz DSP (GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA, MBMS, CDMA2000 1xRTT, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. 1, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. B, baseband), Embedded Seventh-generation gpsOne GPS module, gpsOneXTRA Assistance
Does that mean it has support? I don't know but it looks like it.
Edit 2: It may however lack the transmitter for it.
hadn't it been mentioned that the Evo chipset is in fact Rev. B compatible, requiring only a firmware update?
did anyone else see that or am I imagining things?
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I wouldn't be so sure. They won't be able to roll out a LTE coverage everywhere. 1X/EVDO will be a fall back for many, many years. This is even more logical for Sprint since their WiMax rollout is incredibly slow and I doubt will ever be efficient enough to be a full EVDO replacement.
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Actually Verizon plans to have their entire 3G network covered with LTE by 2012. And they have more than enough money to do it.
Sprint is planning to upgrade to CDMA 1X Advanced/SVDO technology, in part of their network modernization. Verizon will switch to this as well. They are not replacing CDMA with LTE. The EVO isn't Rev. B compatible, and it doesn't matter, since 1X Advanced will replaced their current CDMA standpoint.
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Sprint is planning to upgrade to CDMA 1X Advanced/SVDO technology, in part of their network modernization. Verizon will switch to this as well. They are not replacing CDMA with LTE. The EVO isn't Rev. B compatible, and it doesn't matter, since 1X Advanced will replaced their current CDMA standpoint.
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Sprint is planning to upgrade to CDMA 1X Advanced/SVDO technology, in part of their network modernization. Verizon will switch to this as well. They are not replacing CDMA with LTE. The EVO isn't Rev. B compatible, and it doesn't matter, since 1X Advanced will replaced their current CDMA standpoint.
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I'm pretty sure that the EVO lacks the transmitter, so you're right on that. But why doesn't it matter? SVDO would still use EVDO for data, and Rev. B would be the next logical step for that. Unless Sprint decides to drop WiMax in favor for LTE, I don't see why not.
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I'm pretty sure that the EVO lacks the transmitter, so you're right on that. But why doesn't it matter? SVDO would still use EVDO for data, and Rev. B would be the next logical step for that. Unless Sprint decides to drop WiMax in favor for LTE, I don't see why not.
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it seems Rev B is a firmware upgrade for the phone, just like Rev A was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized#Standard_revisions
CDMA Rev B and 1X Advanced are two different technologies. Sprint in talks with different vendors on which network would replaced their CDMA network, chose 1X Advanced. If anything, you will see 1X Advanced/Wimax/LTE on their lineup before 13' hits.
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CDMA Rev B and 1X Advanced are two different technologies. Sprint in talks with different vendors on which network would replaced their CDMA network, chose 1X Advanced. If anything, you will see 1X Advanced/Wimax/LTE on their lineup before 13' hits.
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IF they are going to replace each card to do svdo, might as well also implement Rev B. After all you are gonna have EVDO for 10+ years.
What exactly do you mean by voice and data at the same time
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Exactly what it means. Talk on the phone while browsing on the web. At this point you can't do that with CDMA phones.
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Again, do you have a source?
IF they are going to replace each card to do svdo, might as well also implement Rev B. After all you are gonna have EVDO for 10+ years.
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It's part of my job. I can't create attachments and post them online, if I'm to remain with my job. What I will do for you is post up information that's available online.
Sprint will need to carefully plan and execute the phased decommissioning of the legacy Nextel iDEN
network and migration of its PTT customers to CDMA as it reduces cell sites and optimizes the future
use of its spectrum holdings in the 800 MHz band. Sprint faced significant challenges in its previous
attempt to migrate Nextel Direct Connect push-to-talk services to CDMA. Before migrating its iDEN
customers this time, Sprint must now ensure service parity with low latency and group calling features
on an expanded range of devices and a smooth transition. The benefits of the next generation PTT
services will need be clearly communicated to large and small business customers. Sprint also plans to
use some of the liberated 800 MHz spectrum to enhance its CDMA voice services, implement CDMA
1X Advanced and gain significant flexibility in deploying new 4G technologies in the future such as LTE.
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http://www4.sprint.com/servlet/whit...ble=whp_item_file&blob=item_file&keyname=item
EVDO Rev. B is not in their plans right now, but strange things may happen.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news
Oh well.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/219901/sprint_wimax_lte.html#tk.rss_news
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Unless you plan on using your EVO for the next 4-5 years , i dont think it really matters. If/when they make this move, there will be plenty of phones to come out that will support the new network. I doubt anyone will still have their EVO's /Epic's by the time this actually comes to reality.
Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
Doesn't bother me too much. Yes, I enjoy the speeds of WiMax, but the battery drain is too much of an issue.
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this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Makes sense, also could explain why we haven't heard about an EVO 2. They could be trying to figure out how to apply a triband radio up in the phone.
detusueno said:
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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Well obviously it wouldn't be a hackers hack it'd have to be a Sprint flash of some sort. I am not saying its even plausible more of food for thought.
detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
mikevillarroel said:
I'm not so sure about that, I've seen some mean hacks here in the community, we have good talent here that work hard (and free) to get the most out of our devices so.....I hope our Devs here will do something to keep the EVO alive as the did with the Vogue.
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Not so sure about that. WiMax currently require some form of key/pw authentication with Clear to connect. LTE on Sprint will probably require SIM cards to connect, like Metro PCS does even as CDMA network. I don't see how they (or even Sprint themselves) will get around that issue. It'd probably be as futile as trying to connect with AT&T's/Verizon's LTE network with a hacked WiMax radio.
Ok sprint will have wimax and lte dual so that good thing imaging and evo 2 with rev b for 3g 1xadvance and wimax and lte omg and being coverd with that much technology
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Good I better get my $10.00/mo back
spiicytuna said:
Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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No, the TOWERS can be fairly easily converted. No phone can be unless explicitly designed for that (like Qualcomm GoBi data chips).
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Supposedly the wimax radio could be flashed to support LTE per shinzul and the wimax thread.
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really? that would be awesome if one of the devs can get wimax radio flashed to verizon's LTE
I hope Sprint Goes LTE - The Verizon LTE speeds look awesome
detusueno said:
this might explain why:
a. the 'featured' echo doesn't have wimax
b. the $10 premium fee for non wimax phones
i think that sprint will discontinue the production of wimax phones and wait for the deployment of lte before they release any new 4g phones. if that turns out to be the case, i don't care if they release a evo with a quad core cpu and 8 gigs of ram. there's no way i'm going to stick around with only sprint's absolutely pathetic 3g.
i also doubt that the evo will be hackable to use lte. what about authentication? lte is supposed to use sims. no way the evo will be able to connect even if some clever hackers get the radio itself to be compatible.
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with speeds under 200 kbps there is absolutely no phone in the world that would make me wanna stay with sprint.
Boy,if this is true they will be losing customers like crazy come this summer.
The story was on Engadget the other week. Technically, the Sprint network guy said it was being evaluated for six months...but with no new Wimax phones on tap for the next six months (that we know of), the conclusion will be the same at the end of six months as it is now.
If they are going to make the move, then throw the switch, and have a plan in place to get us off of our EVO's (and them off of their Epics), even if it's three months out, because then that class action thread that's out there may start looking real good and actually get five stars.
Note: If all that's needed is to switch out the baseband cards and run a firmware update, that would mean that Wimax would have to get turned off, because it's the Wimax equipment that's getting the upgrade. So this won't be a side by side Wimax/LTE network. It's either or...right???
i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
Good riddance? Wimax is a joke in my area (metro Atlanta), to this day I can barely connect to Wimax from inside my house and the coverage map "according to Sprint" shows my area lit up with Wimax. I have to stand by my second story window in my house to connect to it and the connection is "poor", Hell its poor when I go outside.
Love the phone itself though.
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i hope not...
LTE will be bad for cost conscience customers.
LTE is carrier's wetdream... consumers nightmare.
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How so? If it's what I think...network access can be controlled just as easily on a Wimax network as on a LTE network. It's all IP traffic. Verizon just chooses to control it.
Looks like Sprint's getting ready to deploy LTE. What does everyone think?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/17/sprint-to-deploy-4g-lte-network-with-lightsquared/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-17/falcone-s-lightsquared-venture-reaches-a-15-year-network-deal-with-sprint.html
Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Last i heard, LightSquared was told by the FCC they weren't allowed to broadcast because they were overpowering civilian and aviation GPS units. Has this issue been resolved? A 15 year deal ain't worth squat if you can't turn on the juice!!
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Yeah, thats what I'm worried about, I wish/hope its as easy as a change of a frequency channel.
I"m sure they will iron those wrinkles before flipping the switch.
It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
Ok, so lets say they deploy this 4g lte network... what happens to their 4g wimax network? From what little I know about wimax and lte chipsets, I dont think it would be possible for a firmware upgrade to turn wimax to lte. What happens to clear? One important thing to remember is that I didnt actually read the article so these questions may already be answered. haha.
Although, if my evo became a 3g only device, I would actually be ok with that if they drop the $10 a month surcharge
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It would be like Sprint to throw its weight behind a technology that is failed, different or inferior. WiMAX isn't exactly inferior to LTE, but the 2.5 GHz band it relies on most certainly is inferior to the 700 MHz band that Verizon's LTE uses.
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Words straight out of my mouth.
is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
Could the new radio(SMR) thats in the evo 3d work on this frequency and be a dual wimax/lte combo?
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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is there a resource that lists open frequency ranges?
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here is a chart..
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
I assume any potential move to lte will address wimax's inferior latency?
Sprint end users will NOT use LTE most likely ever. Sprint (the provider service) will utilize LTE strickly for back haul only. This is a very good thing for us the end user, basically means to us that we will have lots of bandwidth on tap. Wimax offers up to 12MB d/l transport speeds which most of us probably never see anyway. I personally get 7-8 around Baltimore/Annapolis areas of Maryland and this will hopefully allows us to have the bandwidth assuming more towers are deployed for our cell connectivity. This is a very good thing for us and the sooner the better!
sounds like lte will come later on firat is evdo rev o then rev a then rev b then do then do advance then lte
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I have spoken to my sprint rep a lot about how Sprint works. He used to work for Samsung and distributed phones to carriers in the northeastern part of the united states. Because of this, he learned a lot about Sprint. One thing that he learned was that Sprint has the most bandwidth out of all the carriers, and it is one of the main reasons why theory data is truly unlimited.
Just throwing that out there.
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"The company can use LightSquared’s network to lessen the load on its own network as data demand has skyrocketed, an issue that has plagued other carriers. "
It sounds like they will be using them for backhaul, I don't see anything about Sprint using LTE. Right now backhaul is what Sprint is lacking so this will be a good thing for not just 4G but 3G speeds.
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It talks about Sprint using LTE in the third paragraph of the Bloomberg article.
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
Yet more money wasted on Wimax and shoveled into another bad relationship (Clearwire) Stay comfy in number 3 because you're going to be seated here a while, Sprint. At the very least they woke up and realized LTE is the way to go.
However even after Clearwire's long gone. Those who already have Wimax 4g will still be supported until after their devices are long gone. The only ones who will be bit will be the ones that should have upgraded lone ago. Like the ones today who are still carrying around Cingular phones refusing to upgrade to AT&T So at least Sprint will keep their core customers happy to an extent.
Sprint desperate to jump into the LTE iPhone train next year?
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What good is backhaul when the airwaves can't reach end users?
It's like having a download server capable of gigabit speed, along with an ISP who can deliver it to you. Except you're saddled with a 1991-vintage 10 Mbps ethernet card.
That's the problem I've been noticing with WiMAX. Sprint has one hell of a data network, but the airwaves used to deliver that network are congested and not well suited to the consumer's needs.
I wonder how likely it is that an upcoming Galaxy 2 or Photon 4G will be LTE / Wimax on Sprint...