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Might be the bearer of unhappy news here, but Sprint sent a couple of tweets out today concerning the update.
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553847246
"Android users:Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC on 2.1, on track to be avail Q2. Sprint had hoped to have this resolved by now."
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553862034
"Many thanks to our customers for your continued patience as we work to bring you a positive experience with the 2.1 upgrade."
I guess the fevor pitch got too high and they felt a need to defuse it. Was that a hint of frustration on Sprint's part there as well? ("...had hoped to have this resolved by now.")
Anyway, back to being satisfied with our ROMs for me. Sorry everyone.
least it's still a bit of hope for us not running 2.1 yet. It's a small step in the right direction. Sprint is finally communicating at least something.
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
Kcarpenter said:
It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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That pretty much said it perfectly ...
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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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Couldn't agree more.
Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo. This is like Deja Vu. The hero came out with old software that had been running on the g1 for a year. Then we sit and wait for 7 months for an update that will most likely be old by the time we get it. They are working on 2.2 and that is coming soon. Now people are going to jump on the same bandwagon for the evo which is the exact situation with the hero. They release the phone in june with software that is going to be considered old a few months later. Everyone that gets the evo will then complain that they are not on 2.2 and how sprint and htc dropped the ball again.
Me personally, I don't think I will get the evo just because of this fiasco. I have been using 2.1 for a while and it's great but is it worth all this headache.....NO. If android doesn't fix this fragmentation they will lose lots of customers. This will really be felt when the new iphone comes out. It's easy for them to play back and forth now but when the biggest competitor comes out, these problems will not be overlooked by most consumers.
I personally think that this update is being held back till the evo comes out so they can sway consumers to that product. Business isn't always about pleasing the consumer. Sprint has got your money and htc has got your money. They want you to buy a new phone and that's that. I wouldn't be suprised if the update drops the same exact week as the evo. They will say sorry for the delay and not meeting the Q2 but it's coming out soon. Nothing is etched in stone and we are just hanging on every word hoping something new will be released.
We have been dealing with broken youtube player and nothing has been done or mentioned to fix it. Do you really want to take the risk in doing this again. Everything is going to be put aside till the evo drops. That is the phone that is supposedly going to save sprint it's decline in customers. The eris is going to be discontinued by verizon this month. This should show everyone that htc is not interested in these products anymore. If they were we would have gotten 1.6 when it became available. The hero was made to open the eyes of cdma customers to android. It did just that and now it's time to get you to upgrade so they can continue to make money. Why does sprint care if you get 2.1. There not going to make any money in dropping the update, so why rush.
my point exactly
I am really curious to know what problems with 2.1 are causing the delay?? After all we have a decent working version now. If there really is some big issue wouldn't we have found it by now?
I don't think its "Android," its Sprint w/ HTC and Samsung implementing 2.1 to their devices. But that's just me.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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SMH........
My guess is that the problem lies with one of the POS sprint applications that are stripped out of almost all the custom ROMs since the problem is effecting both the Samsung and HTC updates. They have never worked right and in an application rich environment like Android, I don't think they are necessary. Nav was nice for 1.5, but no longer necessary. NFL is a decent application, but poorly implemented. You can't even let the screen turn off while streaming audio. Sprint TV is a cool idea, but again poorly implemented. It would always start up in the background for no reason. Many people have said it in defense of Sprint, sprint is not a software company... I know they outsource these applications, but it is to a company that has no apparent android experience.
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Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
Does it really matter? If someone is THAT hard up for the updated OS, they can get it without waiting for the official release. And if they're not that impatient, they're probably ok on what they're using.
The people that really want to upgrade their phone can and will do it. I see no reason to freak out about if/when Sprint will release their version of the upgrade.
And for what it's worth, Sprint has ALWAYS been behind in releasing OS updates. They were like that with WinMO as well. Hence one of the reasons people started hacking and developing ROMs to begin with.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
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Isn't Sprint still on track to have the only phones in the US upgraded to 2.1? I mean they are at least going to be the first ones to do it. Not that there aren't companies with a 2.1 phone.
And about fragmentation...it affects EVERY software company, unless the supply exact hardware. FroYo will likely take care of most of it - they approached it with a very modular design. And Rumor has it Gingerbread+ will have more specific hardware requirements, thought still less restrictive than Iphone and WinMo.
We are in an interesting time in the Mobile World. A lot of innovation is happening VERY quickly. It's simply Moore's Law. The next generation of hardware coming down the pipe is just TOO different than what we are running now.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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When I posted this I looked through the first two pages to check if the info was already up, and to the best of my knowledge it wasn't. (After I posted I saw that the SprintGuy thread had just got updated with it as well, but it was practically at the same time)
Doesn't matter though, we will probably still have someone post this tomorrow morning.
So does anyone know if the Evo will ship with Eclair (2.1) or Froyo (2.2)? I ask because I read an article today that said the built in JIT in Froyo is getting 37 MFLOPS on the Nexus One as opposed to the 6 MFLOPS in Eclair. If we are only going to have 2.1 on release I really can't wait until it's rooted so we can get 2.2.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...n-fire-from-the-friction-because-its-so-fast/
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So does anyone know if the Evo will ship with Eclair (2.1) or Froyo (2.2)? I ask because I read an article today that said the built in JIT in Froyo is getting 37 MFLOPS on the Nexus One as opposed to the 6 MFLOPS in Eclair. If we are only going to have 2.1 on release I really can't wait until it's rooted so we can get 2.2.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...n-fire-from-the-friction-because-its-so-fast/
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The Evo will ship with 2.1 - mod 1.
However, there are rumors that once the phone is turned on, it will be prompted for an OTA 2.2 update -- The other rumor is that FroYo has already been put on some of the test Evo units, and will be out within six weeks of launch of the phone...
Then there's always the pessimists who say: The Moment and Hero has taken a millennium, so Sprint is gonna screw us over on the Evo too.
Believe what you will.
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So does anyone know if the Evo will ship with Eclair (2.1) or Froyo (2.2)? I ask because I read an article today that said the built in JIT in Froyo is getting 37 MFLOPS on the Nexus One as opposed to the 6 MFLOPS in Eclair. If we are only going to have 2.1 on release I really can't wait until it's rooted so we can get 2.2.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05...n-fire-from-the-friction-because-its-so-fast/
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That gargantuan increase in speed is a bit misleading. The program they're using an application called LINPACK.
LINPACK is a number-crunching application that has performance properties that are almost the opposite of most types of software. Floating point operations are very easy to speed up with a JIT compiler (which is what Froyo is doing).
General purpose code is much harder to speed up. I wouldn't expect more than a factor of 2-2.5x speedup for the first generations of the compiler. But it'll still be a big improvement, I'm sure.
What's the big change with froyo, why is it so much better?
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What's the big change with froyo, why is it so much better?
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Think of it like the performance increases with every later release of Windows and Mac OSX. Versions of Android up to this date have been pretty rough around the edges; 2.1 is the only version that manages to show off what the operating system can really do. As time goes on, Google will refine it more and more, to the point where crashes and lag are virtually nonexistent.
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The Evo will ship with 2.1 - mod 1.
However, there are rumors that once the phone is turned on, it will be prompted for an OTA 2.2 update -- The other rumor is that FroYo has already been put on some of the test Evo units, and will be out within six weeks of launch of the phone...
Then there's always the pessimists who say: The Moment and Hero has taken a millennium, so Sprint is gonna screw us over on the Evo too.
Believe what you will.
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Where are those rumors from? Got a link?
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The Evo will ship with 2.1 - mod 1.
However, there are rumors that once the phone is turned on, it will be prompted for an OTA 2.2 update -- The other rumor is that FroYo has already been put on some of the test Evo units, and will be out within six weeks of launch of the phone...
Then there's always the pessimists who say: The Moment and Hero has taken a millennium, so Sprint is gonna screw us over on the Evo too.
Believe what you will.
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I hope since this will be Sprint's flagship phone, they will actually treat it like it is after it is released.
evo = Froyo?
www.google.com/m?hl=en&gl=us&client=ms-android-google&source=android-unknown&q=will+evo+get+froyo?
I spoke with a sprint store clerk the other day, he said that the evo will get the FroYo update soon after the nexus one, or so he thought.
I'm sure someone on XDA will have a JIT hack working for the EVO well before an official 2.2 update anyway... there's a JIT patch available for the moment and while it's a bit buggy (I had random reboots for a day before it stabilized) it already works. and the community for the EVO will be much larger than that of the moment
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I spoke with a sprint store clerk the other day, he said that the evo will get the FroYo update soon after the nexus one, or so he thought.
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Sprint reps know LESS than most people in who visit this kind of forum. Sprint wont pass down confidential info to retail/call center reps since theres always someone who will go and spill the beans. You are better off reading engadget.com or some other site that deals with technology.
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Sprint reps know LESS than most people in who visit this kind of forum. Sprint wont pass down confidential info to retail/call center reps since theres always someone who will go and spill the beans. You are better off reading engadget.com or some other site that deals with technology.
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I second that. And I'd be that the froyo would be on EVO WITH sprint support since flash would work very well on the 4g network. This could boost Sprint back up from their bad names.
And those sprint reps usually don't know too much... unless they are on these forums and are phone fanatics like the rest of us.
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I second that. And I'd be that the froyo would be on EVO WITH sprint support since flash would work very well on the 4g network. This could boost Sprint back up from their bad names.
And those sprint reps usually don't know too much... unless they are on these forums and are phone fanatics like the rest of us.
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im kinda hurt lol i am a sprint employee but u guys are right they do hold out on us juss not as much as you guys think....
I would almost count on the EVO not getting FroYo for a long time because Android 2.2 comes with built in wi-fi hotspot capability. A feature Sprint will be hoping to sell you at +$30/month. Unless they decide to cripple that aspect of 2.2 so they can continue to charge for their own version of it.
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I would almost count on the EVO not getting FroYo for a long time because Android 2.2 comes with built in wi-fi hotspot capability. A feature Sprint will be hoping to sell you at +$30/month. Unless they decide to cripple that aspect of 2.2 so they can continue to charge for their own version of it.
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I bet we get it. Sprint and HTC will want to push a f****on of these things out to customers. The best way to do that is to keep them updated. It'll be Sprint's flagship phone for the next year.
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who knows whether or not Froyo will come to the Evo, but this is one positive sign. where google used to be promoting the nexus one, they still are (on tmobile) but if you click on "Get Your Phone" at google.com/phone you'll see Google mentions the Evo if you have Sprint:
"For Sprint, you can pre-register for the HTC EVO 4G, a powerful Android phone with support for Sprint's 3G & 4G network. Go to sprint.com to pre-register now!"
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=
so basically at least google is paying attention to and acknowledging this handset... not a bad sign
Agreed. I'd really doubt that Google would totally neglect a device they themselves are pushing on their own website. Furthermore, Sprint kind of needs this update to make at least some of the features of the Evo work in the first place. If they were to block the update altogether, the phone wouldn't sell nearly as well as they'd like it to.
No one knows for sure. This is because these companies have serious commitment issues and refuse to announce anything until they have to. There is no logical reason to suspect that this phone won't have a FroYo release very soon. I must say I'm rather annoyed that it won't have it at release since I see no reason they couldn't have been working on it this past month or two. Google needs to find some contractual way to light a fire under the handset manufacturers/service providers collective arse to ensure they stop dragging their feet on updates. It only hurts them in the end.
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Agreed. I'd really doubt that Google would totally neglect a device they themselves are pushing on their own website. Furthermore, Sprint kind of needs this update to make at least some of the features of the Evo work in the first place. If they were to block the update altogether, the phone wouldn't sell nearly as well as they'd like it to.
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It won't be Google that neglects the handset, it'll Sprint if it happens. I personally feel that it will ship with 2.1 and won't be immediately updated with Froyo. Most people who will buying the EVO won't know of benefits (if any) of Froyo. Sprint usually likes to sit on updates to make sure all their apps (Nascar - good grief) continue to work as expected.
Confirmed: HTC EVO 4G Will Run Froyo
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...g-will-run-froyo-the-next-version-of-android/
take it with a grain of salt
just wanted to see who is keeping the hero as long as they can or ditching it the second they can. i just feel a little lonely cause everyone is moving onto the evo. i am proud to say that i am keeping my hero for atleast a few more years.
I'll be keeping mine until I find something that I can't live without. I am trying to hold out for a super phone that isn't 4g. Just seems like a waste since it is not anywhere near me at all, and won't be for quite some time I'm sure.
Though, the new Samsung Galaxy S Pro is looking pretty dang tempting (3x more powerfull than EVO/Nexus processor)
I've had my Hero since January. I've been poking around the EVO forums, and since my dad has one, I'm not sure if I want to switch when I can upgrade or have cash up front. The Evo looks nice with a bigger screen compared to the Hero. I'm still not sold on the Evo as of yet. I'm sticking with my Hero since it's been tweaked to my liking.
I'm bouncing back and forth. The "next generation" android phones are supposed to be coming out by year-end. Not sure what that means, exactly, but something better than the Evo might be out by then. I have to wait until October to upgrade anyway. I might also be out of a job for a time, depending on what happens here at the office. My girlfriend has expressed an interest in my Hero after I upgrade, though, so I guess I might be keeping it in that respect. Who knows?
Im keeping my Hero until the first Android phone comes out with at least a SnapDragon processor and Froyo pre-loaded. Hopefully Sprint will get something like this (prolly not) so if its on T-Mo then so be it.
New phones were exciting when they used to be released once every year or two. Nowadays, with a hot, new phone coming out every few weeks, I don't bother with it any more. I am sticking with my Hero until it breaks and then I will buy whatever has replaced the EVO used on eBay for $50.
Most likely keeping mine until at least October, when I'm eligible for the yearly upgrade.
Read about way too many issues with the EVO, including improperly grounded touch screen, touch screen lag, 30 fps limitation, build quality, etc.
I'm pretty satisfied / happy with my Hero for now, especially the way I have it running .
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New phones were exciting when they used to be released once every year or two. Nowadays, with a hot, new phone coming out every few weeks, I don't bother with it any more. I am sticking with my Hero until it breaks and then I will buy whatever has replaced the EVO used on eBay for $50.
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exactly. there just gonna keep coming out with better and better phones. the hero is already pretty badass, and im really looking forward to getting froyo ported to the hero.
Staying.. my hero does what i need it to.. plus have to much fun trying roms and such.. the evo is nice.. but i have up my 30 dollar sero for the hero.. dont want to pay that extra 10 dollars for the 4g when its 40 miles away.
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I will be kepping my Hero until Sprint releases the Hero 2 a.k.a. "HTC Legend"
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I will be kepping my Hero until Sprint releases the Hero 2 a.k.a. "HTC Legend"
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Not happening... it was called the Evo....
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Not happening... it was called the Evo....
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http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
You sure?
undecided as of now. I wanted an Evo but now....not so much. Maybe when the issues get ironed out, but at the moment, I believe the hero is more sound than the Evo.
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http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
You sure?
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I read that At&t HTC Aria is the US version of the HTC Legend. Bah editing the original UK phones Sucks
Hero for now...for atleast a year...
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I like my Hero. It's not going anywhere for a long time.
Just upgraded to the Evo. Still have the hero laying around though. The hero is definately a great phone, but man things happen really fast with a snapdragon...
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Im keeping my Hero until the first Android phone comes out with at least a SnapDragon processor and Froyo pre-loaded. Hopefully Sprint will get something like this (prolly not) so if its on T-Mo then so be it.
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That.
I wanted to get into a Droid when they first came out as I was with Verizon for 8+ years. For whatever reason, they would not cut me any breaks on a handset even though I was due for an upgrade. I really wanted to get my hands on an android handset was got so impatient with VZ that I walked next door to the Sprint store (literally across the parking lot) and grabbed what they had at the time. (It was Hero or Moment... not a hard choice)
This was back in March and I've been nothing but pleased with my choice. Granted, the Hero is older, slower hardware, but for someone wanting to experience and tinker with Android, the Hero has been a perfect fit. The community here around this handset is vast and we have so many mods and roms to play with. When I finally do get into a better handset, I'm going to have quite a bit of experience already with optimizing, modding, and really knowing how to get the absolute most out of my phone since all of us here are working with pretty limited resources compared to something like an Evo.
I'm glad I moved to Sprint and got the Hero. The pace of new, awesome phones coming out right now is crazy and when I'm ready to upgrade, I'll have my pick of amazing phones natively running 2.2/3.0. I am a bit weary about this mandatory 4G charge though. Hopefully by the time I'm ready to move on there will still be some quality offerings in plain 'ol 3G.
I'll be keeping my hero. I don't like the large screen on the EVO and there is no 4G coverage in Oklahoma yet that I know of. When time comes to upgrade we'll see what Sprint has to offer but until then it's the Hero all the way.
Keeping Hero, very happy
Read my signature The Hero is the best/coolest phone I've had, as I only upgrade every couple years...last one was a Samsung Rant and before that I was on a Nextel i870 (ooollldd)
I talked today with sprint supervisor and confirm the Froyo 2.2 will be available for July for sure but dont have a specific day. Also they working for a another patch to fix the last update 1.47.651.1
Good News
PS : I wil continue eating donut and coffe for the waiting
Cool!
But doubtful, those Sprint customer service reps really just tell you what you want to hear, it is almost never factual.
I got confirmation from supervisor not from a representative. I think supervisor got more accurate info than representative that just talk rumors
Most of the time most people that work at Sprint (Including supervisors) have no idea what they are talking about. Anyways, its more up to HTC then Sprint as to when it will be available since they are the ones that have to do most of the work.
Man, LBJ / Bosh coming to the Bulls sometime in July ... 2.2 as well?
hah I love speculating.
Yea they really have no idea. Some said August, July, September, October. They just say whatever they feel like. I used to work for Spring and generally we know more then they do.
is it best to actually talk to the HTC representative over Sprint???
I think the concensus is that 2.2 should drop sometime this summer, which offically ends 9/21/2010. However, from a business prospective, I think it would be prudent to release 2.2 to as many handsets as possible as close to the same date as possible. Reason?....sales of any handset running 2.1 for any length of time after the majority get 2.2 will die quickly, resulting in a lot of unsold inventory.
I won't believe it until it is released and running on my phone. Funny thing is, we know as much, if not more then they do
Or we might get Gingerbread on our Evo's come October.
http://gizmodo.com/5576478/rumor-android-30-gingerbread-out-october-for-higher+specced-phones
oh man can we please not play this game? over in the hero forums we played this game with 2.1 and god it doesnt get anywhere and all the waiting is usually for nothing as we end up with a leaked ruu that gets hacked and people are sad that its not everything they want it to be.
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Most of the time most people that work at Sprint (Including supervisors) have no idea what they are talking about. Anyways, its more up to HTC then Sprint as to when it will be available since they are the ones that have to do most of the work.
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I agree. The salesman at the Best Buy in New Orleans (metairie if your from here) tried to tell me that wimax was ready here that they just had to flip the switch. Although every ounce of me wants to believe that, I know he's full of **** so I just nodded my head. I'm thinking to myself this idiot doesn't need to lie to me to sell this phone.
An excerpt from http://gizmodo.com/5576478/rumor-and...specced-phones
"Cheap, low-end mass market handsets will keep Android 2.1/2.2"
Gee, does this mean that, if the EVO does not get 3.0, it will be considered a cheap, low-end handset by October? :-(
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An excerpt from http://gizmodo.com/5576478/rumor-and...specced-phones
"Cheap, low-end mass market handsets will keep Android 2.1/2.2"
Gee, does this mean that, if the EVO does not get 3.0, it will be considered a cheap, low-end handset by October? :-(
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The EVO meets the hardware requirements for 3.0. Do not worry, young one.
"Like Windows Phone 7, Murtazin claims that Google will be laying down the law with some hardcore hardware specs to run 3.0, demanding a minimum of a 3.5-inch display, a 1GHz processor, and 512MB of RAM"
Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/android-3-0-gingerbread-getting-revamped-ui-froyo-living-on-for/
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I agree. The salesman at the Best Buy in New Orleans (metairie if your from here) tried to tell me that wimax was ready here that they just had to flip the switch. Although every ounce of me wants to believe that, I know he's full of **** so I just nodded my head. I'm thinking to myself this idiot doesn't need to lie to me to sell this phone.
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What is funny is when you talk about a phone or plan to them and they give you the "just poured water on a robot" reaction
While they are still freaking out, throw out the -"Yea...I read that on XDA and/or Hofo. Guess you don't know about the internet forums do you?"
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An excerpt from http://gizmodo.com/5576478/rumor-and...specced-phones
"Cheap, low-end mass market handsets will keep Android 2.1/2.2"
Gee, does this mean that, if the EVO does not get 3.0, it will be considered a cheap, low-end handset by October? :-(
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The requirements say 3.5", 512MB RAM and 1GHZ...The Evo has all of these. There is no reason for it not to get Gingerbread (3.0).
ive got a few facts:
1) there are no dates
2) it is coming "soon" (per sprints press release)
3) it will not be released until everything is worked out. thats what pushed back the 2.1 updates, htc/samsung kept sending buggy builds (some of which leaked) and the general population wont deal with the flaws like we will b/c we want the latest and greatest. therefore, it wont be released until its completely ready
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The requirements say 3.5", 512MB RAM and 1GHZ...The Evo has all of these. There is no reason for it not to get Gingerbread (3.0).
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Yes, there is a reason, and that reason is HTC
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Yes, there is a reason, and that reason is HTC
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We better get Gingerbread!
Does it seem like they might just jump straight to 3.0 for high-end devices, and keep 2.2 for low-end devices as the article mentions?
This would be sweet, as it would save time for them trying to push out 2.2 and then have to wait again for 3.0.
So I hate my Hero, A, because it is slow, and B, because it is stuck on 2.1 forever. So I have been looking at the Evo and the Epic, and the other related phones, and here is my question, what is the support going to be like? I know that every time a new phone comes out, the manufacturers seem to forget about the old ones, and for no technical reason, the MyTouch 3G is getting Froyo after all. So one of the things I am looking at with my next phone is that it will be supported for the full two years, the Hero only made it 6 months, so I know that seems like a lot, but I honestly don't think it is too much to ask. If you sell a phone with a 2 year contract, you should support it for at least 2 years, as long as technically possible. So without a vanilla Android phone available on Sprint, which of the two phones do you guys think will be supported with updates longer? I have seen that sources close to Google said the Galaxy S phones will be upgraded to 3.0, but they didn't mention the EVO, even though it meets the spec requirements. Would it be waiting until the end of the year for whatever comes then? Or is just that buying me until December of next year instead of August? Thanks.
No phone will ever be supported for 2 years...some countries even have 3 year contracts as standards...The contract is unrelated to the phone you buy...
The manufacturer warranty is 1 year for all of them...past that you can't really expect them to issue updates for it...that is why we have a community...
You have to remember that the manufacturer is not earning money off your contract, only from the sale and if they have their apps in there, those as well...
The one who is forcing you into the contracts are the carriers...no matter how much you may think the US is a free open country..it is not...out of all the countries we have the most locking of phones and other things...
You are not forced to sign a new contract..you can always pay the full price of the phone up front..the contract just gives you a discount...
Ok, while I will admit all that you said is true, my example is the iPhone. Apple puts out a phone, and continues issuing updates for it, even you you are probably out of your 3G contract now, you can still upgrade to OS 4.0, you won't get all of the features, and it is debatable whether you should have those features, but at least you get part of the update. I don't understand why that can't happen on Android. Even the MyTouch 3G will have had support for over a year. The Hero on the other hand, got its first and only upgrade after about 6 months. Why can't we have some arrangement like that with a non-Google phone? I mean, just give me a full year of updates and I will be happy, if those updates are reasonably prompt, as with the EVO and Froyo. Will that continue with the EVO, or the Galaxy S when we move to Gingerbread?
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Ok, while I will admit all that you said is true, my example is the iPhone. Apple puts out a phone, and continues issuing updates for it, even you you are probably out of your 3G contract now, you can still upgrade to OS 4.0, you won't get all of the features, and it is debatable whether you should have those features, but at least you get part of the update. I don't understand why that can't happen on Android. Even the MyTouch 3G will have had support for over a year. The Hero on the other hand, got its first and only upgrade after about 6 months. Why can't we have some arrangement like that with a non-Google phone? I mean, just give me a full year of updates and I will be happy, if those updates are reasonably prompt, as with the EVO and Froyo. Will that continue with the EVO, or the Galaxy S when we move to Gingerbread?
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Well iPhone is different..Apple actually gets paid a portion of your contract...not to mention all app revenue goes to them as well...
But in case of the Hero..it kinda came at a bad time...it was the point where the device specs skyrocketed and Android was moving fast in development..not to mention the Hero was already an out dated phone before it even came out..US was just slow at getting devices on the shelves...recently it seemed to have picked up..before it used to be 6 month - a year before it got in US shelves but was already all over the world...nowadays we get them 1-3 month or so...
Once 3.0 hits Android also slow down a bit in their release cycle...
Most likely you will get 1 year support around these days..and afterwards it will be community support for life ...
Maybe I am slightly bitter, especially that the poor Hero support came after my first HTC phone, the Touch Pro, broke on 4 separate occasions, the first two were within 30 days, so Sprint replaced it, but the 3rd time it took 3 weeks to send to HTC and get it back, after a maze of tech support calls. Then I upgrade to the Hero, and don't get supported.
But what you are saying all makes sense, so I hope either way we get more updates, even if they have to be delivered by the Dev community.
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Maybe I am slightly bitter, especially that the poor Hero support came after my first HTC phone, the Touch Pro, broke on 4 separate occasions, the first two were within 30 days, so Sprint replaced it, but the 3rd time it took 3 weeks to send to HTC and get it back, after a maze of tech support calls. Then I upgrade to the Hero, and don't get supported.
But what you are saying all makes sense, so I hope either way we get more updates, even if they have to be delivered by the Dev community.
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My Hero has 2.2....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vAbsx0spM
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My Hero has 2.2....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vAbsx0spM
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He means from HTC/Sprint official upgrade..not community stuff..
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My Hero has 2.2....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vAbsx0spM
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So does mine, thanks to Darchstar and all of his fellow developers. And I can't thank them enough for that, because if it weren't for them, I would have thrown this phone out of my car at high speed off a cliff long ago. But it shouldn't be up to developers to support a year old phone. Especially when it is obviously capable of running newer firmware. And because they don't officially support it, these 2.2 ROMs will never be as good as ones with the official HTC base.
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He means from HTC/Sprint official upgrade..not community stuff..
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Correct, I just think it is the right thing to do when you sell a phone. Support it for two years. Sprint pays HTC for the phone, and we pay Sprint for the phone and service, so it just makes sense that they Sprint should make sure their customers are supported for at least the two year contract whenever technically possible.
One year of support might be feasable. Htc doesn't want to waste resources supporting old hardware, sprint doesn't want you to reach end of contract. This is why they give upgrade pricing after one year in exchange for 2yr contract agreement. Android platform + this communit have given me the ability to keep a phone for 2yrs with minimal discomfort.
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Maybe I am slightly bitter, especially that the poor Hero support came after my first HTC phone, the Touch Pro, broke on 4 separate occasions, the first two were within 30 days, so Sprint replaced it, but the 3rd time it took 3 weeks to send to HTC and get it back, after a maze of tech support calls.
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Wait a second... Why the heck would you EVER have to send the phone in to HTC? If it's under warranty, Sprint repair stores handle it for you. If there's no repair stores near you, care cross-ships you out a new (or refurb) phone. You shouldn't have to be without a phone for more than a day, max.
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Wait a second... Why the heck would you EVER have to send the phone in to HTC? If it's under warranty, Sprint repair stores handle it for you. If there's no repair stores near you, care cross-ships you out a new (or refurb) phone. You shouldn't have to be without a phone for more than a day, max.
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Because it was about 6 months after we bought it, and it we don't buy the warranties. So we called Sprint, and they told us that the only thing they would do is sell us a new phone for full retail, and specifically asked about a loaner or something, and they said that was only for people with warranties. They said the only thing we could do is send it to HTC, so that is what we had to do.
As a rebuttal, you can put 2.2 on a hero, and have everything work. I'm doing that now to get used to not having sense. Sure it doesn't top the charts and 3d games suck on it, but there are plenty 2d games on the market that work fine, you can watch movies that look and sound fine on it if you take the time to convert them properly. Plus, I haven't had any issues with lag, especially with the keyboard. The stock android one us much better than htc's ime.apk in that aspect. And it probably has to do with the haptic feedback. I typed this on my phone and it doesn't feel like a chore.
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As a rebuttal, you can put 2.2 on a hero, and have everything work. I'm doing that now to get used to not having sense. Sure it doesn't top the charts and 3d games suck on it, but there are plenty 2d games on the market that work fine, you can watch movies that look and sound fine on it if you take the time to convert them properly. Plus, I haven't had any issues with lag, especially with the keyboard. The stock android one us much better than htc's ime.apk in that aspect. And it probably has to do with the haptic feedback. I typed this on my phone and it doesn't feel like a chore.
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
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Thats not what the OP is talking about...he has Hero running 2.2 as well..if you read he says manufacturer support..NOT community support...
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Thats not what the OP is talking about...he has Hero running 2.2 as well..if you read he says manufacturer support..NOT community support...
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Thanks again gTen, and rufflez, I have already said how much I love the devs here and on other forums, and all the work they put into the platform, but the operating system is always the best when based on official kernels and and drivers. And it shouldn't be up to the community to support the devices after such a short time. They should improve on work done by the manufacturer, but they shouldn't be solely responsible for the device's advancements.