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Polaris Project

What Happen to the Polaris Project? It's been a while now and it looks like nothing's coming anymore inspite of all the promises. Do you think you've been conned to donate a device purposely for the so called "Top of the notch" ROM?
Olipro came out with the Hard SPL and that makes him a gentleman standing by his words but the so called Polaris Project release did'nt materialize other than a Bepe inspired/modified ROM that's not even worth keeping.
Common guys, speak out!!!!!!!!!!

You should add "I never donated and never will". Then I'll vote...

If you did'nt donate and will never donate then just tick on the last option.

this poll is useless.
donated is donated.
what would happen if olipro never found out how to hardspl this device? he would have a donated device.. would you call the money back? because you are 'not so happy'
these guys spend their free time on this. show some respect!
before i forget, did i mentioned this poll is useless?
regards

elohssanarerauoy said:
What Happen to the Polaris Project? It's been a while now and it looks like nothing's coming anymore inspite of all the promises. Do you think you've been conned to donate a device purposely for the so called "Top of the notch" ROM?
Olipro came out with the Hard SPL and that makes him a gentleman standing by his words but the so called Polaris Project release did'nt materialize other than a Bepe inspired/modified ROM that's not even worth keeping.
Common guys, speak out!!!!!!!!!!
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some people just love to come back and whine constantly. they also forget to search and read whats going on. if you would have then you would know a 5 language 8 version release is coming. try making 40 roms and see how long it takes. its not easy to iron out as many bugs as possible.
edit: also have you noticed that we are at 0.4 right now. that means there already has been a few releases.

Pawel062 said:
some people just love to come back and whine constantly. they also forget to search and read whats going on. if you would have then you would know a 5 language 8 version release is coming. try making 40 roms and see how long it takes. its not easy to iron out as many bugs as possible.
edit: also have you noticed that we are at 0.4 right now. that means there already has been a few releases.
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I love xda-developers! We are communists, and proud of it!
Solidarity brother!

rhov23 said:
I love xda-developers! We are communists, and proud of it!
Solidarity brother!
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members like you keep me and the other cooks going. as we americans say... **** happens.... dates come and go and you can't always keep your word. i have released a few versions already and many people are enjoying them. they asked for a black version so im making and black version with all black skins and a blue version with all blue skins. they asked for a full, notouchflo, a medium, and a lite so they get those too. thats 8 versions there.
then there was other languages so since i work closesly with bepe i took language files from his last rom and updated what i could and made it 5 languages including wwe. thats 40 versions. how many cooks can say they have made that many versions and listen to what the people say as much as i do? theres a few and im happy to be one of them. so like the others i'll take my criticism and work harder because of it.

pawel062,
There are some of us that just wait patiently and don't say anything like me.
So my contribution is to say thanks for all your work and keep it up.
How did your exams go? Any idea yet?

Let's relax
elohssanarerauoy said:
What Happen to the Polaris Project? It's been a while now and it looks like nothing's coming anymore inspite of all the promises. Do you think you've been conned to donate a device purposely for the so called "Top of the notch" ROM?
Olipro came out with the Hard SPL and that makes him a gentleman standing by his words but the so called Polaris Project release did'nt materialize other than a Bepe inspired/modified ROM that's not even worth keeping.
Common guys, speak out!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Guys,
let's relax - it is ALWAYS more work than expected if it come to my experience in programming. Sometimes some people get overexcited or, as seen here, overanxious and frustrated. I would think he didnt mean it as aggressive as it appears.
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, why not speed it up? download a kitchen, etc. and start diving into the matter (there is most of what you need int this forum) and once you have some experience I am sure the cooks can always use a helping hand for some tasks here and there.
This way development gets a boost and the newly involved people will gain insight into the complexity of such a difficult endeavor like cooking a ROM, which will subsequently generate a lot of respect.
From my side I can only say: RESPECT!
and KEEP IT UP!

Johny1fin said:
pawel062,
There are some of us that just wait patiently and don't say anything like me.
So my contribution is to say thanks for all your work and keep it up.
How did your exams go? Any idea yet?
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they went great. did very good on them im working on the roms as we speak. all languages except wwe seem to have 1 issue with the dialer. once its ironed out i'll have to go through the roms once more to see if i didnt overlook anything and i can release.

Pawel062 said:
they went great. did very good on them im working on the roms as we speak. all languages except wwe seem to have 1 issue with the dialer. once its ironed out i'll have to go through the roms once more to see if i didnt overlook anything and i can release.
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yo,
how about to release the wwe version now and release the languages when you fixed the ONE issue.
it could be we find more issues in the wwe edition. u can automatically update them in the other languages before u go again through 40 versions uploading.
regards

I'm still excited by the Polaris project - the variety in the next version sounds fantastic. I am incredibly grateful for everything the xda-dev community puts into making the ROM what it is.
In saying that, I can understand why people are frustrated. The Polaris project was kicked off close to 7 months ago and so far there have been 3 beta releases. If there is anything at all we can do to help progress, I'm sure myself and many other people would be willing to do whatever we could to assist. Just name it.
At the end of the day, I'm sure everyone wants to see the best project ROM possible

tenticle56 said:
I'm still excited by the Polaris project - the variety in the next version sounds fantastic. I am incredibly grateful for everything the xda-dev community puts into making the ROM what it is.
In saying that, I can understand why people are frustrated. The Polaris project was kicked off close to 7 months ago and so far there have been 3 beta releases. If there is anything at all we can do to help progress, I'm sure myself and many other people would be willing to do whatever we could to assist. Just name it.
At the end of the day, I'm sure everyone wants to see the best project ROM possible
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you must also remember how long i had to wait for my polaris. it took a long time as donations were very slow. then you must also remember i was helping bepe with his roms at the time since we are a team. also i did have to play with the device for a bit and get used to cooking on it etc..
about the beta part. 0.3 i call a beta but as u can see in that thread its actually more like RC1 material. ill probably call 0.4.. RC1 and get bugs from that and then i also am waiting for the clearance on a new build then will make a 0.5 as non beta with all bugs fixed and the new build.
about releasing just a wwe... i though about it put i would have people nagging and asking for release dates etc... on the other ones. that would clutter the thread for others so i think its better to release them all at once. though since i listen to you all... if you want ill release the 8 wwe versions tommorow...
edit: though remember that uploading the 8 roms would take a good chunk of time away from fixing the 4 other languages

Pawel062 said:
you must also remember how long i had to wait for my polaris. it took a long time as donations were very slow. then you must also remember i was helping bepe with his roms at the time since we are a team. also i did have to play with the device for a bit and get used to cooking on it etc..
about the beta part. 0.3 i call a beta but as u can see in that thread its actually more like RC1 material. ill probably call 0.4.. RC1 and get bugs from that and then i also am waiting for the clearance on a new build then will make a 0.5 as non beta with all bugs fixed and the new build.
about releasing just a wwe... i though about it put i would have people nagging and asking for release dates etc... on the other ones. that would clutter the thread for others so i think its better to release them all at once. though since i listen to you all... if you want ill release the 8 wwe versions tommorow...
edit: though remember that uploading the 8 roms would take a good chunk of time away from fixing the 4 other languages
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PDaviet, Aserg, UDK, Bepe, Swatos and Panosha released their ROM's without too much BLa Bla while you bombarded us with too much promises and alibis. Have'nt you learned your lesson when and why the original Polaris thread was closed?

elohssanarerauoy said:
PDaviet, Aserg, UDK, Bepe, Swatos and Panosha released their ROM's without too much BLa Bla while you bombarded us with too much promises and alibis. Have'nt you learned your lesson when and why the original Polaris thread was closed?
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sorry everyone but i been busy trying to find a job. also some friends have come for the summer and are taking up my time too. add to that the july 4th weekend and you have a reciepe for a delay. though i have a good idea of the issues in non wwe roms.
now heres the issue:
the dial pad will not come up. i have narrowed it down to the sys and most likely a impcompatibility in the 19209 phone language files with the new diamond builds. ill have to ask bepe for some files from his german diamond rom or other non wwe diamond rom and see what helps fix the issue. wwe is not a issue since i updated the language files with the new diamond ones.
also btw i closed the polaris project thread since all the goals were reached. not bc of people b*******.
also i released previous roms with not too much fuss. now that im going mulitlingual and multiversion we have some fuss.
as i said before try making on your own the amount of versions im making and lets see if you dont also hit delays.

elohssanarerauoy said:
PDaviet, Aserg, UDK, Bepe, Swatos and Panosha released their ROM's without too much BLa Bla while you bombarded us with too much promises and alibis. Have'nt you learned your lesson when and why the original Polaris thread was closed?
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elohssanererauoy,
Give pawel064 a break,
I have enjoyed his roms so far and am happy to wait.
What he has produced so far works, so why the hastle.
There are plenty of other things in life to do so like pawel064 and me go out and do them.

[OFF] - A proposal for the dev's and cookers!

Hello friends! I created this thread to make a proposal to the dev's and cookers ...
Well, what I mean is that we have bright developers of ROMs for our XPERIA X8
I think most of them work on your own ROMs, without the assistance of anyone (I'm NOT saying they are not able to cook a ROM)
What I mean is that I think that all the dev's of X8 ROM's (as racht, doixanh or AnDyX), cookers (like ME!) and designers (like AChep) come together and form a team, so to create an all-new custom ROM with the help and idea of ​​all users of the Xperia X8!
The forum is for everyone to share their ideas and how they can help in the development of custom ROMs for our devices, and I believe that together we can create a perfect ROM!
That's the idea and proposed to you all, developers of ROMs of our Xperia X8 ...
I think it's a good idea!
Who agrees with me?
Remember: In unity is strength!

It sounds good in theory but I doubt they will work on a single rom. As far as I see it, racht likes gingerbread and has abandoned his floyo rom, but dx likes froyo so he started adding things from gingerbread for users to have a better experience while using it. One thing that I know for certain, if someone manages to find a fix for a problem in any rom I am sure they will share their work with others, because that's why they use these forums.
As for jerpelea he seems to focus more on the X10, which will get official gingerbread update, instead on X8 and that saddens me abit, but is his time to spend and he can do whatever he wants with it... AnDyX has done 2 modules but no rom so maybe ask him to make a rom from scratch by using knowledge gained from other devs.

I do not mean to them that I quoted ...
I refer to ALL's dev ...
I think if all agree to try to do this, we must settle on which Android will be based (Whether it will be 2.3 or 2.2, whatever), but I think that discussion is for later ...
My proposal is that all ideas come together and share their knowledge so that all interested members to create a fully-working near perfect ROM
This is my proposal and idea ...If anyone can understand me...

Salo-S said:
I do not mean to them that I quoted ...
I refer to ALL's dev ...
I think if all agree to try to do this, we must settle on which Android will be based (Whether it will be 2.3 or 2.2, whatever), but I think that discussion is for later ...
My proposal is that all ideas come together and share their knowledge so that all interested members to create a fully-working near perfect ROM
This is my proposal and idea ...If anyone can understand me...
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Hehe this is best idea i ever see on this forum ! Come one devs! Xda rocks! !! Sent from xgin 5.4
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I do not say that this not a good idea... but it's very-very difficult to work with someone else over the same project. I have never work over roms for phone but from my knowledge as a programmer i can say that it may be better working like now...
I was working with a programmer over a firefox addon (like the way you say) but it was very difficult. I was forced to inform him about everything i did, so to let him know what he should do. I started keeping notes and made a program lol...
You must be very consistent too do this...
I wish our devs have the time to set up such a project...

great idea, but... We only need to know if our devs agree with that..

GreatApo said:
I do not say that this not a good idea... but it's very-very difficult to work with someone else over the same project. I have never work over roms for phone but from my knowledge as a programmer i can say that it may be better working like now...
I was working with a programmer over a firefox addon (like the way you say) but it was very difficult. I was forced to inform him about everything i did, so to let him know what he should do. I started keeping notes and made a program lol...
You must be very consistent too do this...
I wish our devs have the time to set up such a project...
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I feel the same way. It is very difficult to work with multiple people at the same project, each in a different place. Everyone should have from time to time the exact same code and this would necessarily mean working in shifts and not in a team.
What I see much more easy to do is try to understand what features should have the "perfect rom", such as it is doing doixanh for froyobread, posting polls and seeing what the majority prefers.
We could start with topics such as: 1) froyo base vs. gingerbread base, 2) favorite launcher, 3) basic applications preinstalled .. etc etc. ..
Then we might ask a developer to take charge of the project and prepare the ROM. As an incentive we can provide some donation, if at the end of the project will be many users of the forum to participate, there won't be too hard to put together a little cash I think.
What do you think? Could it be possible?

While I won't downplay this idea, because it does have its merit, this would be VERY hard to achieve. Devs would need to communicate everything they did to eachother, which could prove difficult. However what we COULD do is designate assignments for a specific dev. For example:
Doixanh - Porting Gingerbread features to Froyo and performance
Jerpelea & Blagus - Cracking the bootloader
And so on, so forth. Publish all the work in Google Code or Github to make easily accessible for the whole community.
This to me seems the only really viable way to go...

well I hope so !! really they are the betters and could pass something nice

So typical.
All i see are random members saying that it can't be done or that it is so hard to achieve.
Why can't you wait for devs to answer for themselves?

...I agree with all that this is difficult but... I think that the are already work in a team... xda devs' team... they already help each other enought.

First of all, this thread belongs to Genreal section.
Now on-topic:
I don't see any usefullness from this idea.
1st Devs are helping each other anyway for sure
2nd.. 2nddd?!?!?! :O
Oh, yeah... there's no second.
Point is:
Example: doixanh is stuck at something when making froyobread.. he will ask someone for tip...
racht hackdroid has camera disabled... kuya will fix it (altough he's a cooker, not dev I suppose)
You got it??
Apps preistalled, default launcher... install your favorites by yourself you lazyasses

if OP want it like cyanogenmod,
than it is freexperia project.
I don't see it working.
btw, yes, I'm not a "dev", I like and always be a newbie

Theres already a project like that, it is FreeXperia project, i suppose everyone already know that.
The point is, we should just continue that project, if someone already have a well programming knowledge, then they should just help that project, creating the libs for X8 to be used for 2.3+ Android version later.

that's good idea,newbie like me very happy to hear it

That's a good idea, but i think that we'll have more progress about a Cyanogen 7 rom soon enough.

touch HD blackstone is running NAND @@

finaly tiad8 testing team manage to make Tiadroid to run on the HTC touch HD not fully functioal rom but it dose run and i confirm that coz running it on my hd now
still trying to tweak the kernel coz almost nothing works properly
but we are getting closer and closer to a fully working nand build.
and oh its freaking fast yeahh!!!

Cool!
Have you any photos or videos of that?
Which version of Android is running on your Blackstone?
What is working? non-working?

android 2.2.2，many things include gsm is not working...waiting for tweak

All radio functions are missing and there are other bugs. But the phone is perfectly responsive, and never lags, which I haven't seen in any other ROM. It's even faster than my WinMo!!
We are trying to get tiad8 to make a git/repo so that all people could contribute. Hope to see some XDA devs there .

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All radio functions are missing and there are other bugs. But the phone is perfectly responsible, and never lags, which I haven't seen in any other ROM. It's even faster than my WinMo!!
We are trying to get tiad8 to make a git/repo so that all people could contribute. Hope to see some XDA devs there .
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Why aren't you guys working on this working with actual devs?!? It seems this herrickwong character is doing all the heavy lifting (it seems he's the kernel dev behind this...) If he wants to actually get this working best for everyone, he should contact me (or the XDAndroid dev team)...
Git repo is a necessary step. All this stuff has no source as far as I can tell, which is a violation of the GPL. Good work on herrickwong's part, congrats guys! Let's try to make it available for everyone now...

arrrghhh said:
Why aren't you guys working on this working with actual devs?!? It seems this herrickwong character is doing all the heavy lifting (it seems he's the kernel dev behind this...) If he wants to actually get this working best for everyone, he should contact me (or the XDAndroid dev team)...
Git repo is a necessary step. All this stuff has no source as far as I can tell, which is a violation of the GPL. Good work on herrickwong's part, congrats guys! Let's try to make it available for everyone now...
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You do not really believe this will happen, do you?
Available and transparent? With detailed informations what was used and changed?
Maybe herrickwong (great step) will do but for the rest?

ThaiDai said:
You do not really believe this will happen, do you?
Available and transparent? With detailed informations what was used and changed?
Maybe herrickwong (great step) will do but for the rest?
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I hope that actual devs will realize that this is necessary. The only reason others are able to take XDAndroid's work so easily is because it's all openly available as source, and we are very transparent.
I want everyone to enjoy these phone's to their fullest ability. It would be a shame if he got Blackstone's to partially boot (it sounds like you guys are now where GSM RHOD's are - awesome!) and never released any of the stuff that got it to work in the first place... how can we merge back that work and have a unified system for all?
Again, I am really hoping that if he has some real devs in his clutches (seems herrickwong is a kernel dev!) then they should want to be transparent and work with other devs! Accelerate this project, gogogo!

I totally agree, it's really hard to give any kind of help while blindfolded

It's changing. Slowly, but it's changing.
For his new FRX07 builds tiad8 is giving credits to many people contributing to it.
A first step back into a bigger community working together for Blacky.

But we need source code. Without it we can't know why it works, integrate devices, etc
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Absolutly correct. I hope herrickwong will do because I doubt he will succeed in solving the problems alone. Until now the kernel and NAND is not really usable. Much work to do.

Hi xda developers,
I am using following source code and some modification. Any one know the owner? Who like to clone this project for continuous the project! I will tell him what i changed.
git://gitorious.org/~g3rm/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-blac-nand-tests.git

User g3rm0 here should be the owner.

herrickwong said:
Hi xda developers,
I am using following source code and some modification. Any one know the owner? Who like to clone this project for continuous the project! I will tell him what i changed.
git://gitorious.org/~g3rm/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-blac-nand-tests.git
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g3rm0 is definitely the owner.
herrickwong, welcome! You should get in contact with ACL if you'd like some help getting GSM working - I'd bet it's the same issue holding up GSM RHOD's, so that would be a great breakthru!
As for you telling him what you changed... why not just submit merge requests to his repo? That way he can take the git-formatted patches and apply them... Just a suggestion, seems more efficient than telling him what you changed .

[DEV] Finding a devs team

Hey guys and girlz,
as many of you know, the developement for our device is not that great and fast because everybody (except from ivendor and arco and maybe some others) is working alone on a ROM/kernel. We could speed this up by building a dev team where all devs for our device and maybe from galaxy w can work together and improve ROM for ROM instead of doing each ROM alone.
Hope we can do this :good:
If anybody is interested, post it here or PM me
Greets and regards,
markey

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markey97 said:
Hey guys and girlz,
as many of you know, the developement for our device is not that great and fast because everybody (except from ivendor and arco and maybe some others) is working alone on a ROM/kernel. We could speed this up by building a dev team where all devs for our device and maybe from galaxy w can work together and improve ROM for ROM instead of doing each ROM alone.
Hope we can do this :good:
If anybody is interested, post it here or PM me
Greets and regards,
markey
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Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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XeLLaR* said:
Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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First of all, i appreciate all the work of ivendor , skywalker, brood, xistance and arco and others who did an amazing job of porting major roms to our device. But i must honestly say, i agree on some points with the OP. It is amazing with what we achieved on our small but awesome community, but our phone is getting old and eventually we will be left behind. So now it is the best time to combine all of the knowledge that is hidden in our i9001 section to ensure the future.
In the past year i have been in this section i saw a lot of stuff that could be fixed faster if people would communicate more, like the well known cm9 camera problem (i dont know for sure there was miscommunication as i dont know what happened in the background). A dev team would be awesome.
But i am afraid that this won't work anymore. The glorious days of the i9001 are over. Many good devs left us.
But is is worth the shot. Would be so awesome! If you have any android knowledge, please join.
(I am to stupid. I cant join. I know how qtADB works but that is all).
Also i like the idea of combining the two devices and make a giant dev team for both so we can benefit from there knowledge and they from ours!
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XeLLaR* said:
Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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No i'm not, otherwise I couldn't have read the forum and written this here
(Just joking)
I know that we have a lot of ROMs, but there are some from 2 different developers because one of them hasn't updated very long or stopped the project and then a new dev took the work.
Thats your personal opinion and I accept it.
I mean this all because of the bugs that have to be fixed.
No its not that awesome, look at the dhd, they have a big dev team who solves most of the bugs there and they have fully functional Android 4.2 and MANY more ROMs than we have also have a look at some other 2 or more year old devices, most of them have big dev teams who do fast and great work.
I really appreciate the work of all our developers (!!we have a 3.4 kernel which even much newer and better devices don't have!!) but we can make this even better and faster.
Thanks i know this but in general section we couldn't get a team together and i also forgot about this section because i mostly (nearly only) use the developement section
Greets and regards,
markey

I seem to agree with xellar's view. Our I9001 forum is great as it is for a two year old device and development seems to be moving forward at a well-placed pace. I dont see any point in creating a ''dev team'' . Dont get me wrong , I'd love to see it happen. But Im comfortable with the pace here .

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I would also apreciate a dev. BUT the developement of the last 2 years was that good, that i can't comlpain on anything. It works very well the way it goes now. Maybe in the near future (~6 moths) when more importent (doesn't mean the other are unimportant) devs leave the s+ and 5.0 will be roll out, maybe then we need a dev-team.
But we have already s.t. like dev-teams:
Arco and Ivendor (CM9/10)
The kernel devs (Erik, castagna, Biagio, Christopher, ...)
Xistance and Doom (CM10.1)
They all share allready there knowledge and function.
So... No need to hurry in my opinion :beer:
"...nothing is more powerful than a young boy's wish. Except an Apache helicopter..." -Ted

i think we have a lack of devs contributing to really port the newer versions of android. its only arco and ivendor who are doing this and since arco wanted to concentrate more on his own device its only ivendor (arco is yet still involved with our phone). everyone else is "just" forking from ivendor, aokp, aosp and paranoid which is great and which is not necessarily easy. without them there would be nothing else but the cm rom. still its not comparable to ivendors or arcos work. i dont want to diminish the importance of the work of others (sadly i have to always mention it when saying things like that...). i just didn't see them commit to ivendors github and ivendors credits concede my point.

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I'd love to be in the team
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dr.wtf said:
i think we have a lack of devs contributing to really port the newer versions of android. its only arco and ivendor who are doing this and since arco wanted to concentrate more on his own device its only ivendor (arco is yet still involved with our phone). everyone else is "just" forking from ivendor, aokp, aosp and paranoid which is great and which is not necessarily easy. without them there would be nothing else but the cm rom. still its not comparable to ivendors or arcos work. i dont want to diminish the importance of the work of others (sadly i have to always mention it when saying things like that...). i just didn't see them commit to ivendors github and ivendors credits concede my point.
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As true as this is, I still don't like the fact that you say we just fork their work. Both arco and ivendor haven't even started doing any real work on 4.2, forget giving us anything. Camcory and I have brought 4.2 by ourselves, just using arco's kernel source(which is REALLY important so I'm saying nothing to arco).

you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much

dr.wtf said:
you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
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Only one thing to say:: does not make any sense at all...
What op asked is on team..wats happening here is just nonsense..if somebody interested to work with him pls do it..if u are not interested get the f** k out of here...its not must that each and everyone has to put their point of view..if u are ready to help then help..otherwise leave from this thread...simple....
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This thread needs to be closed. Its like a slap in the face for all of our developers. Shame on you! Show some respect to them. They sacrifiy a lot time to give us a better user experience for our phones but well, everyone is like "hurrdhurr dat fone is not even like a galaxy s3 now brah after flasching tis rom my fone suks bad ass".. Instead of saying thanks to the developers or donate some buck to them for a fresh beer or something.
Always remember this is a single core device, with a midrange chipset and it cant handle even close as much as a S3 or S2.
We have a fully working (vsync and tripple buffer are working and all ither stuff) Jellybean cm10. Not even the s2 or s3 have this because of the lack of sources for their exynos cpus.
I hate this unrepectless behavior.
Be happy with what you got here FOR FREE. And for a Non-flagship device like our i9001, we have A HELL OF A LOT roms and kernels!
Get your **** together people.
Sent from my GT-I9001 using xda app-developers app

Disrespectfull: YES understandeble: YES.
At our forum/development we got 1-person teams. Some ROMS are made with someone on the background (CM9/CM10/CM10.1).. But the other ROMS that are based on these are made and maintained by 1 person.
I got the feeling that some of us dont have PATIENCE..
And that is something what is very stupid.
Teams are working faster and fixing faster and better bugs in ROMS, that is true.
If the OP want to make a team just ask some developers for godssake. These topic are as disrespectfull as saying WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE OR FIXING THIS OR THAT in every goddamm topic.
Just my opnion..

dr.wtf said:
you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
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Alright, even through, I shouldn't have any comments here as you already screw things up really bad, I feel like I must do it to clear things up a bit around here.
First of all, you said yourself that you don't have any knowledge related to software development, so why are you messing with people that actually devote time to do it? If you have no ideea what development is, why are you talking about it in this manner? I mean, it is ok to ask or to make mistakes, everybody does, nobody is perfect but I consider this post offensive and I must defend myself here.
Second, as far as I'm consern, my GitHub is MINE and I and only I will decide when to push something there. I cannot be forced by anyone to do anything. So, your sentece "I didn's see anything going on on your github" so what?!? Tell me, why should I post anything just for you to see it? Ah, you think I lack activity? Again, so what? I or any other Open Source developer cannot be forced by anyone to publish something. We do this because we like it, we are not paid for it. Maybe if you would pay me to do these things, yeah you could have the right to judge my activity. This is open source, this is Android, the developers are bringing stuff to the end user but the end user is free to choose if he wants to use that piece of software or if he doesn't want to use that software. Same applies to you, you don't have to flash anything on your phone just because it's there online, if you don't like it, don't use it .
About my 3.4 kernel. I mentioned in the OP of the thread that it is an early "alpha" nothing more. I even used the word "preview". If the end user doesn't like the way the kernel is, than he wont use it.
Oh, and I'm not supposed to say this but I'll take this opportunity just for you to see that I'm not lacking activity and actually I want to develop that 3.4 kernel, also I'll explain why I didn't update anything on github.
I worked locally, and everytime I fixed something, 2 other errors came up, after I fixed those 2, another 3 came up and so on. That's why I choosed not to push anything to git until I get something concret. I said this a million times actually: I have no ideea when that kernel will be ready and if it will be ready, I am going to decide if it will be published to git and XDA or not. This is my personal decision, you can't influence me in any way to do anything.
Also, I'm not a full time developer, I'm still a beginer, I'm still learning things here and I choosed to share my work with others, here on XDA because I thought that my work could be usefull. If you or anyone else don't find it usefull, as I said, don't use it .
Also, ivendor won't quit either and there is nothing on me...again, you are trying to push me...this is hilarious...I choosed to start the 3.4 kernel project but that doesn't mean that I must finish it... I really hope you understood something from this post, if not please, just let it go and ignore it. Also, there is no need to apologise, you were wrong by trying to put pressure on me but I ignored it, as you probaly noticed.
Cheers,
Erik

Topic reported.
Argument:
Insulting to our developers an absolutly not development related..
Cheers

Thread Closed:
This topic has turned to a flame war and no longer serves a purpose.
Appreciate the work the devs do, as they aren't required to do anything...
~ The-Captain

Our phone is not dead!!!!

*Please no one delete this thread! It is really important!*
Hi everyone!
I am here to tell you guys about our phone.
Yes, the title says everything; our phone is not dead!
What do you think? Just because Huawei is not supporting this phone anymore doesn't mean that our phone is dead!
Look! We have achieved great things with our knowledge! We have already have Android that wasn't given to us by Huawei:
- CM 7.2
- Aurora ICS
- MIUI
- Oxygen
- JokerROM
- and lots of others!
(Thanks to all those developers that have contributed their efforts for the sake of our phone!)
Huawei is not supporting us, but every person in our community is supporting each other.
I know we are lacking developers, but we still have great developers: DZO (he's a bit sleepy), forumber2, Blefish, MosTERRA, ezet, and anyone else I have missed!
We still have developers, but not once have I read anyone commenting anything positive about our phone. Not once anyone has told someone else that our phone is dying/dead. Always, everyone here has said our phone is finished.
Come on guys! Don't say this! Always try to say good things about our phone. By saying bad things about our phone, you are discouraging other people, and most importantly the Developers, from keeping the phone.
Please stop discouraging Developers and others! Instead, encourage others to gather knowledge and start building some ROMs!
Yes, I would encourage all of you here to start gathering knowledge about android and start building some MODs, Themes, ROMs, etc, for our phone!
NEVER AGAIN I WOULD WANT TO SEE A COMMENT THAT SAYS NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT OUR PHONE!!!!

You're right and in general I agree with you but this sub-forum is only to post ROM's preferably tested and without bugs. You should move this to General section or ask to mods to do that. Blefish is working on CM 10 and we (non-developers) need to wait.
Cheers.

to say our phone is "dead" is not negative as i perceive it.. its just a plain fact..
in this fast-changing technology world, our phone already did its job very well..
my u8800 has just passed its 2-year mark, and though its just become my second-line support phone in this month, its still of great value to me..
(big compliment to our great developers!)
HOWEVER, the phones is already over 2 years old, and this is a very old age in technology world (and also considering its lack of official support)..
if everyone just refuses to proceed forward, we are probably still playing/flashing mods for our beloved transistor radio (if thats even possible)!
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with the above said, i do not mean to discourage any further development effort on this phone..
i actually welcome such activities very much honestly..
its just that ppl should also recognise those of us who try to move forward with newer and more powerful phones..

rqmok said:
*Please no one delete this thread! It is really important!*
Hi everyone!
I am here to tell you guys about our phone.
Yes, the title says everything; our phone is not dead!
What do you think? Just because Huawei is not supporting this phone anymore doesn't mean that our phone is dead!
Look! We have achieved great things with our knowledge! We have already have Android that wasn't given to us by Huawei:
- CM 7.2
- Aurora ICS
- MIUI
- Oxygen
- JokerROM
- and lots of others!
(Thanks to all those developers that have contributed their efforts for the sake of our phone!)
Huawei is not supporting us, but every person in our community is supporting each other.
I know we are lacking developers, but we still have great developers: DZO (he's a bit sleepy), forumber2, Blefish, MosTERRA ezet, possibly me, and anyone else I have missed!
We still have developers, but not once have I read anyone commenting anything positive about our phone. Not once anyone has told someone else that our phone is dying/dead. Always, everyone here has said our phone is finished.
Come on guys! Don't say this! Always try to say good things about our phone. By saying bad things about our phone, you are discouraging other people, and most importantly the Developers, from keeping the phone.
Please stop discouraging Developers and others! Instead, encourage others to gather knowledge and start building some ROMs!
Yes, I would encourage all of you here to start gathering knowledge about android and start building some MODs, Themes, ROMs, etc, for our phone!
NEVER AGAIN I WOULD WANT TO SEE A COMMENT THAT SAYS NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT OUR PHONE!!!!
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So why don't you make Jelly bean ?

iamelton said:
to say our phone is "dead" is not negative as i perceive it.. its just a plain fact..
in this fast-changing technology world, our phone already did its job very well..
my u8800 has just passed its 2-year mark, and though its just become my second-line support phone in this month, its still of great value to me..
(big compliment to our great developers!)
HOWEVER, the phones is already over 2 years old, and this is a very old age in technology world (and also considering its lack of official support)..
if everyone just refuses to proceed forward, we are probably still playing/flashing mods for our beloved transistor radio (if thats even possible)
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Our main problem is the just the lack of developers as I already said before, because saying our phones is old fashioned it ain't true, for an example the Huawei Ascend G300, imo that phone is not that far away from our phone in hardware and capability (and also it was release in May of 2012), but still it already has CM9, CM10, CM10.1, thats my point of view, we can't all have the same opinion. I just don't have the skill to do such things in the Android area, if I had I would work on this awesome device.

It's not dead, but it's been on life support for a very long time, now. Blefish is the only active, transparent developer this device has going for, and even he doesn't have public releases yet and encounters numerous issues. There is no real Jellybean for this device, regardless of the fact that the hardware is capable, and so for all intents and purposes it is dead, for the time being. But that could change.
Regardless, this is a terrible thread and if you want to help you shouldn't spam this forum. There are specific forums for this sort of inane garbage.

I think it's dead anymore since we can't go through jellybean. There are only 2 person as i know who have coding knowledge;dzo and blefish.Besides we haven't seen a working wifi for jellybean both of them;so this makes the phone dead,in my view.

i think the points are quite clear now.. in android world, a phone is "dead" if there is not much active development/support for the latest updates going around (either officially or from individuals)..
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OP, just did a search and found out that u ported a xperia style rom to our phone, so that makes u a developer of this phone.. thx for the work..
(though another GB rom does not interest me that much.. )

I'd like to point out that just because I haven't released a rom does not mean I am not working on it. Just hang on as there is awesome stuff coming up!
I know I am not the fastest developer around, but I always try to do things "properly". Of which I mean I try to provide good code that would be reusable in the future.
Sent from my U8800

Would just like to clarify something
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:

rqmok said:
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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HD2 is dead and it still has developers.
It's not developing, it's passed on. This phone is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late phone. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If we haven't bought it , it would be pushing up the daisies. It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-phone. Capisci?

rqmok said:
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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ok i take back my previous recognition of u as a developer.. now you are a developer-to-be for this great phone.. (honestly, no sarcasm attached.. )
and while i think u8800 is dead, u see it as a living pal.. no problem.. case closed.. (no sarcasm, again..)
now back to business.. i would very much be happy to see a jb rom created and surely would give it a try in my u8800..
i just hope u can keep this enthusiasm and keep working on this jb-rom-to-come..
honestly speaking, having enthusiasm on something and start working on it are not that difficult.. its the persistence and patience (in dealing with obstacles) that make the difference..
good luck and hope to hear from u soon.. :good:

Blefish said:
I'd like to point out that just because I haven't released a rom does not mean I am not working on it. Just hang on as there is awesome stuff coming up!
I know I am not the fastest developer around, but I always try to do things "properly". Of which I mean I try to provide good code that would be reusable in the future.
Sent from my U8800
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Hey,
I just don't understand something so i want to ask you. I am following you on twitter and see that it is really not easy making kernel 3.4. I just want to know, wouldn't it be easier if you just use the 3.0.8 kernel that we already have and maybe tweak it a bit? 3.0.8 should work with CM10. I just don't see the point of triing so hard to make the new kernel for CM10. Let's look in the future and if you release your rom in 2 months for now there will not be so many people that would find it usefull because many of U8800 users are already switching to new devices. And in may there is coming KLP.
Thanks for clarification! :good:

rastek said:
Hey,
I just don't understand something so i want to ask you. I am following you on twitter and see that it is really not easy making kernel 3.4. I just want to know, wouldn't it be easier if you just use the 3.0.8 kernel that we already have and maybe tweak it a bit? 3.0.8 should work with CM10. I just don't see the point of triing so hard to make the new kernel for CM10. Let's look in the future and if you release your rom in 2 months for now there will not be so many people that would find it usefull because many of U8800 users are already switching to new devices. And in may there is coming KLP.
Thanks for clarification! :good:
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I understand what you are trying to say to Blefish.
I'll tell you. May it be 3.0.8 or 3.1 kernel, the story is the same: no Bluetooth and no WiFi. The 3.0.8 will need to be made compatible with CM10, but making WiFi and Bluetooth work will still won't be easy. That's why it is better to work on 3.1 kernel when you know that both kernels have the same story.
I hope you understand.

My phone is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok i understand that wifi and bt do not work with 3.0.8 and cm10, but blefish said in one thread that it is just a matter of configuration and is not nearly as hard as making a new kernel. I think blefish could make it work with 3.0.8.
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alexmbra said:
My phone is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's the spirit!!
rastek said:
Ok i understand that wifi and bt do not work with 3.0.8 and cm10, but blefish said in one thread that it is just a matter of configuration and is not nearly as hard as making a new kernel. I think blefish could make it work with 3.0.8.
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Yes, it is a matter of configuration.
All we have right now are the drivers from Aurora and the drivers from official Huawei ROMs. To make CM10, the drivers need to be taken from an older ROM and put into CM10. Now, it is not just a matter of copy-pasting. Our current drivers are not compatible with JB. Blefish has made some things working. The biggest problem is the WiFi. The old WiFi drivers need to be made compatible with CM10, and this is the hardest part. This is why there has been no one, yet, who has been able to do this.
No matter what kernel it is, may it be 3.0.8 or 3.1, the WiFi drivers need to be made compatible with CM10.
I think oguzhan mobile was able to fix the WiFi to the extent where it actually turned on, but it wouldn't scan. I don't know why he stopped development. I am not sure what kernel oguzhan mobile was using, but I think it was 3.0.8. I think you might be right that it would be easier for our phone to use the 3.0.8 kernel, but I think the 3.1 kernel would run better with CM10.1.
If you really want to know why Blefish wouldn't use 3.0.8 kernel, then you would need to Blefish himself. I have already said what I think, but I am not sure if I am right.
I am going to give it a try with 3.0.8 kernel. It might be easier than 3.1 kernel. I'll just have to find out

I like the way you talk....
Waiting for JB...
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Phone is dead