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Hey guys,
Just updated to the x10 after my samsung galaxy died on me, so far i am rather happy - except for the lack of root, but that will come.
I have noticed many complaints on the forum about battery life, and have experienced the same thing myself. From my experience, i think this looks like the same issue that was faced on a leak of 1.6 for the galaxy - it was referred to as the "No Sleep Bug".
TBH, the name says it all - for some reason, in many builds of android 1.6, phones were not sleeping correctly. There are many theories as to why, from cpu not being allowed to sleep, to permanent communication with google servers.
Despite all these different theories, one thing seemed to fix the problem - turning off all location services. Some people argue that a different carrier build, turning off just 'share with google' under location, turning off just AGPS etc. would fix it, but from my experience, the only real way to fix the issue was to turn off all GPS usage unless you need it. The once you have used it, reboot your phone.
This fix obviously sucks, and a new fix has recently been released by a veritable android-demigod around the Galaxy.
HERE IS A THREAD ABOUT NO SLEEP ON i7500 GALAXY;
(ok, some stupid rule says i can't post links - can a mod help me out?)
HERE IS THE FIX FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUG;
(ok, some stupid rule says i can't post links - can a mod help me out?)
LINKS ARE IN POST #5 - THANKS TO ONDOTEAM (would still be nice to get them in this original post though)
Now, from my experience, no sleep behave exactly the same way on the x10 as it does on the Galaxy;
1) I turn of all location services, and my battery life at least doubles.
2) After said turning off of services, 'spare parts' no longer says 100% running time under battery usage - in fact it can be as low as 10%.
These two factors are identical to my experience with Galaxy. SO; is there any way drakaz's fix can be applied to our X10's? It seems to me that the files he mods are standard Android system files, not sony/samsung specific.
Now i am no developer, so i dont know it this is possible - the first question that comes to mind for me is "do we need root access, or can this be done through developer tools using the android SDK?"
Can anyone help shed anymore light on this?
Seems to work for me. I disabled all location services. Spare Parts went down from 100% to 7.6%.
I'll just have to enable GPS when I need to use it..
Awesome! Glad to hear it has helped.
Let's keep testing this guys - if it does show up to be a big cause, then perhaps the devs around this place can help is figure out a patch for Drakas' mod to make it work with our x10's!
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Awesome! Glad to hear it has helped.
Let's keep testing this guys - if it does show up to be a big cause, then perhaps the devs around this place can help is figure out a patch for Drakas' mod to make it work with our x10's!
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Hello send me a PM with links, I will try to post it
http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/61168-no-sleep-has-nothing-do-anything.html
http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/78471-no-sleep-bug-fixed-drakaz.html
Links from n3man
No sleep is easy to fix, took me a while to figure it...
Turn your screen brightness from manual to auto, spare parts will now start showing proper running stats, no more 100% running.
The screen is a little dark in auto but it will cure the 100% running.
GPS and location services etc make no difference to my X10i, I am running the 1.6 version unbranded UK handset, the only thing to stop mine running 100% is to put the screen on Auto.
ronnyuk said:
No sleep is easy to fix, took me a while to figure it...
Turn your screen brightness from manual to auto, spare parts will now start showing proper running stats, no more 100% running.
The screen is a little dark in auto but it will cure the 100% running.
GPS and location services etc make no difference to my X10i, I am running the 1.6 version unbranded UK handset, the only thing to stop mine running 100% is to put the screen on Auto.
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LOL... this is already going the way of the Galaxy thread!
My phone came out of the box with auto-brightness and i never changed that option, yet i still had no sleep.
Drakaz has done some fairly deep digging and is next to certain that it is an artefact of the geolocation bug discussed in the thread in which the problem was fixed.
I can't see "Spare Parts" in About Phone -> Battery Info
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I can't see "Spare Parts" in About Phone -> Battery Info
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Me neither.. I was wondering about that myself!..
Although I'd half assumed that they were referring to the total "up-time" figure which you can see at the bottom of the "about phone"; "Status" screen.. But perhaps not.?
Spare Parts is a standalone Program ...
(i don't know for sure if it is in the market or downloadable as .apk from somewhere here in the forum ...)
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im_iceman said:
Me neither.. I was wondering about that myself!..
Although I'd half assumed that they were referring to the total "up-time" figure which you can see at the bottom of the "about phone"; "Status" screen.. But perhaps not.?
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You can download it here
Spare parts is indeed available from the market - it is a much more powerful tool for indicating battery usage than the regular android methods. The galaxy stared on 1.5 which had NO indicator of battery usage statistics at all, so we all learned about spare parts very fast.
Perhaps that is why no x10 users have realised about the potential no sleep bug; because so far only the android usage indicators have been used?...
Anyway, hopefully this can help us all understand the way our phones are working better together
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Spare parts is indeed available from the market - it is a much more powerful tool for indicating battery usage than the regular android methods. The galaxy stared on 1.5 which had NO indicator of battery usage statistics at all, so we all learned about spare parts very fast.
Perhaps that is why no x10 users have realised about the potential no sleep bug; because so far only the android usage indicators have been used?...
Anyway, hopefully this can help us all understand the way our phones are working better together
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14% it's mine value for running time, not 100%. By the way thats 30 minutes of 210 in total :S
I'm also experiencing "No sleep bug" after i used GPS. I use Battery Graph to plot my power consumption and after I use GPS, I can clearly see that power consumption is high even if i turn the phone in plane mode.
In addition SE widget, used to turn on/off GPS, seems to not work very well for me. So, to fix the bug, i manually disable GPS in parameter menu and restart my phone. After that power consumption is hardly null (20% in 8h with MP3 on almost all the time).
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I'm also experiencing "No sleep bug" after i used GPS. I use Battery Graph to plot my power consumption and after I use GPS, I can clearly see that power consumption is high even if i turn the phone in plane mode.
In addition SE widget, used to turn on/off GPS, seems to not work very well for me. So, to fix the bug, i manually disable GPS in parameter menu and restart my phone. After that power consumption is hardly null (20% in 8h with MP3 on almost all the time).
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Do you have 3G always on?
My phone has no trouble sleeping.
Gps hasn't really been an issue but I keep it off when not needed.
Here's my solid settings:
1) No auto sync
2) No moxier
3) Gps off
4) Restart after using wireless
As long as it's like this my phone lasts 2 days easily
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Do you have 3G always on?
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Yes, but I made a lot of test with and without 3G enabled and 3G seems not to be a problem for me. I think my problem comes from GPS.
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Do you have 3G always on?
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3G always on.
n3man said:
LOL... this is already going the way of the Galaxy thread!
My phone came out of the box with auto-brightness and i never changed that option, yet i still had no sleep.
Drakaz has done some fairly deep digging and is next to certain that it is an artefact of the geolocation bug discussed in the thread in which the problem was fixed.
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I have been playing with mine for a month to work out what caused mine to not go into sleep, I keep GPS wifi etc on 24/7 but in spare parts I was running 100%, after numerous reinstalls and removing everything i chanced on turning on auto screen brightness, now when i unplug my x10 the running sits at the correct level.
No Geolocation bug here
I have this problem with 100% on and off. Sometimes when I check its under control (~10%), other times its at 100%. I have GPS off, no WiFi, auto brightness... don't know why it sometimes just gets stuck at 100% :/
So as the thread name states does anybody have any tips for helping have the WildFire's batterey last longer?
So far ive turned the screen brigtness down by half of what it was & turned off touch vibration.
Any other tips?
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So as the thread name states does anybody have any tips for helping have the WildFire's batterey last longer?
So far ive turned the screen brigtness down by half of what it was & turned off touch vibration.
Any other tips?
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I have not tried many things but one thing i am pretty sure of is go to MARKET >>>> Download and use Advanced Task Killer .. kill the running apps.. i leave my installed keyboard..and mobile security app ON rest most of them i kill... its a useful app.. i mean why to keep music app or weather app or news app or messaging app running when u are not using them..
Have Fun
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I have not tried many things but one thing i am pretty sure of is go to MARKET >>>> Download and use Advanced Task Killer .. kill the running apps.. i leave my installed keyboard..and mobile security app on rest most of them i kill... its a useful app.. i mean why to keep music app or weather app or news app or messaging app running when u are not using them..
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Yeah ive been using the Advanced Task Killer for a while now already.
I have read that usage of ATK is not required at all because of Androids near perfect RAM Management. And you also could come into trouble because android looses a small amount of ram capacity every time you use ATK untill the next reboot.
other than that you could try Juice Plotter and Juice Defender
find a app can auto turn on/off fly mode.
I ve tried Juicy defender, it seems not fit wildfire very well, some function not working. like auto fly mode, and auto turn off wifi when over 50M.
(btw,it will change your apn setting,cause me can not connect after uninstall it.)
after 1 month, I found navigation app take me 80% of battery.like google map/navi.
rasenzhang said:
find a app can auto turn on/off fly mode.
I ve tried Juicy defender, it seems not fit wildfire very well, some function not working. like auto fly mode, and auto turn off wifi when over 50M.
(btw,it will change your apn setting,cause me can not connect after uninstall it.)
after 1 month, I found navigation app take me 80% of battery.like google map/navi.
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use the automatic brigtness option under the phone settings. much better batterty performance
Read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701567
Not sure if these steps actually improve the efficency of the battery OR wheter the S/W behind the battery guage becomes more accurate as it goes through a process that alows it to better estimate the SOC of the battery.
Andy
Yup, even I have read a lot that Android manages the apps in a beautiful way. When I first used Android, the first question that came to my mind was how to exit apps as none of the apps had an exit button. Coming from nokia, sony erricson etc this was an obvious question to ask. Then after some research I found that Android just freezes the apps when we go back. The app is not actually running in the back end.
But anyway, yesterday my battery again went to 8% and on checking the used status, it showed that the android system used 92% of the battery lol.
One more thing I would like to suggest is that there is a Power control widget built in the wildfire. Its pretty useful to decrease the brightness, turn off gps, wifi etc from the home screen itself.
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One more thing I would like to suggest is that there is a Power control widget built in the wildfire. Its pretty useful to decrease the brightness, turn off gps, wifi etc from the home screen itself.
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Thanks for this!
I installed this widget and it said that GPS was on even though it wasn't appearing in the tool bar along the top. I had run several apps that use GPS, but had assumed if the GPS icon was gone, GPS was off.
Is that wrong?
(good news if it is, as I was struggling to keep enough power to in my phone to get through the day without charging)
joan
Avoid task killers like the plague. They cause more problems than they solve. Trust the android os to manage ram.
Just discovered the most powerful app I have ever seen called "Tasker". It its only £4, but will make your android so much more diverse. You can, for example, have it go into airplane mode between certain times (i have between midnight and 6am) but periodically check for sms or voice mail every hour. It saves stacks of battery.
I have it turning wifi on only when it knows I'm at home or at work.
I have it turning off wifi, dropping screen brightness down, and playing a louder notification when battery gets to 15%.
It silences my phone when I get within 100m of the two cinemas I use.
It is not the most easy app to use, be patient with it. Look up some of the "recipes" on the internet to get a good tutorial on how to work it. £4 is a steal for something so potentially vast. Its limited only by your imagination.
Oh and having run Tasker for 24 hours, (how long my battery normally lasts) only contributes to a 2% drain, and its adding roughly 6 to 8 hours extra! It would cost you ten times that for an extended battery!
I use an free app called timeriffic to auto disable WiFi
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Try program JuiceDefender....you can download free from Android market.
my battery life is really awful too,i noticed it a couple days ago,that it drains to fast,so i started looking into it,and i found out,that my device won't go too sleep. so in settings/about phone/battery the awake time and up time are the same. i had similar problems on my hero, but there it was the messaging apps fault.
here, i kill everything with advanced task killer,it still can't go too sleep,android battery use shows,that android system is using most of the battery.
anybody else with similar problem?solutions? i have stock 1.25 rom rooted with unrevoked.
What? You mean your screen is permanently on? .....
Ive head bad things about using task killers too, I dont use on anymore.
Some things i have done that have helped my battery like quit alot actually is turn off Wi-Fi, Turm off GPS, Turned off haptic feedback(vibration when pressing buttons), Screen brightness to automatic & screen timeout too 15 seconds.
I can now have a really good fiddle with the phone and it can last more than a day without needing a charge.
As I understand when screen goes auto shut off, all apps are idle, even WiFi or gps is on. I tried with music on continuously for 2 hrs in flight mode, I still have about 80% power. With gps on for 1 hr continuous, I still have about 80%. With normal use my power can last the whole day.
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What? You mean your screen is permanently on? .....
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no,the screen turns off,but something still runs in the background what eats the battery,and I can't find out what it is. I tried multiple task managers,and they show that everything is closed.i have it in flight mode,with everything turned off,still something runs,what shouldn't.
Did you solve this? It's happening on my phone now, and it's very frustrating.
(just installed ATK - very scary the apps I never use are running) and killed everything except ATK. Touch the power switch to turn off the screen. 15 minutes later, up time and awake time are still the same.
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Did you solve this? It's happening on my phone now, and it's very frustrating.
(just installed ATK - very scary the apps I never use are running) and killed everything except ATK. Touch the power switch to turn off the screen. 15 minutes later, up time and awake time are still the same.
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2 updates from me, to help anyone else with similar problems:
1) I uninstalled any recently installed or updated apps** and widgets now I have a 1:6 ratio of awake time. So, fixed?
2) In the meantime I logged a call to HTC via their website. Answer:
With regards to your problem, if the battery is going down significantly and you have turned of applications when your not using them and used task killer. It might be better to call us up so we cann look into it further and we might have to book the phone in for repair especially if you have noticed it not charging properly or overheating at any time.
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Yup, those problems started occurring at the same time as the other, so it looks like I have an underlying hardware fault. Dammit! I don't want to be without my phone for 2 weeks.
joan
**including CardioTrainer! When I reinstalled it I'd lost around 900km of workout history.
Just out of curiosity
What gain of time are we actually talking about here ?
I tried lots of different things but never suceeded to receive more than two full days.
What is your max. with all the different programs and hints ?
ebioman said:
Just out of curiosity
What gain of time are we actually talking about here ?
I tried lots of different things but never suceeded to receive more than two full days.
What is your max. with all the different programs and hints ?
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If you are asking me, the answer is "about 6 hours".
I've (partially) fixed my uptime = awaketime problem. But I obviously have some more serious battery issue.
Hopefully someone else can chime in with happy battery life.
joan
I know that there are several threads about battery life in the General forum, but I decided to create a new one, cause I want this thread to take a different direction, and actually help the owners, which are having problems with kernel wakelocks as me.
So... here it goes. I decided to make a test by using my phone mainly as a PHONE ! From the screenshots you will be able top see exactly what I did with the phone for the last 60 hours. Just to mention that my phone ISN`T ROOTED. Wifi sleep policy set to ALWAYS ; auto brightness ; power saver on except 30 minutes when I wanted a brighter display at direct sunlight ; Auto Sync on BUT - almost everything set to sync off or manual, except weather, gmail (mail and contacts) and one more mail sync using the mail app. Used some internet, made some photos, listened to some music, checked mail after notifications, refreshed blinkfeed couple of times just to go through the smartphone headlines, checked battery usage and software update like 100 times lol - and there are the 2+h of screen on. I don`t use facebook, twitter etc.
And now comes the most important part and the reason I started this thread in the first place. I got like 4 hours of held awake time. In the screenshots provided you can see where these hours exactly came from. I`m absolutely sure that HTC One can manage to achieve like 3 full days of normal phone usage if it wasn`t for those sick wakelocks I`m getting (and I`m sure most of you are getting too). I know all of you have read that "7 hours screen on time" and saw the screens from some guys with 7+ hours screen on. If you pay close attention you will see that their devices worked for more than 10 hours and they got less than 10 minutes of Held Awake time. What I`m trying to figure out is how they achieved such thing.
One more thing I would like to point out if someone decides that 4 hours of held awake time are something normal for a 60h usage. Keep in mind that phone lost 1% per hour while I was asleep, which I don`t think is something normal, cause I read alot that people are loosing like 3-4% for 10 hours during the night (someone even mentioned 1%).
So basically please use this thread to discuss any wakelocks (mainly kernel related) you have and ways to get rid of them. There are alot of threads going on in xda about almost every single wakelock I`m experiencing, but I think the info is different for every phone out there. I tried almost every suggestion, but without any good result.
Here are some screenshots from Gsam Battery Monitor, BetterBatteryStats, and Battery in Setting.If you like to see a detailed info please use the dropbox link. I won`t discuss every single screenshot I made, but just want to point out two interesting things I noticed. Although facebook app is TOTALLY disabled in my phone, I still have it as a working process that is causing wakelock as you can see in screenshot 13 in dropbox folder. And also I have turned every single option in Maps to off, except first option (Google`s location service) in Settings>Location.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k7reupon5dcy42p/a4VNWyJLGJ
P.S. I`ve heard that with 4.2.2 some things are fixed, or at least not causing so many wakelocks, but we`ll have to wait and see.
good post, i would like to know the same. I want to know some extra info:location and provider
godutch said:
good post, i would like to know the same. I want to know some extra info:location and provider
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Location : Bulgaria ; Provider : Mtel
to OP your result seems normal to me
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One more thing I would like to point out if someone decides that 4 hours of held awake time are something normal for a 60h usage. Keep in mind that phone lost 1% per hour while I was asleep, which I don`t think is something normal, cause I read alot that people are loosing like 3-4% for 10 hours during the night (someone even mentioned 1%).
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Mmm ... don`t think that`s something normal, I`m afraid
I would like to see other advanced users pay attension to this post. I
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there have been recent problems with maps and play store,
Magpir said:
there have been recent problems with maps and play store,
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Haven`t got any problems with play store tbh, but maps is a huge pain in the a**, as you can see in the shots provided. As I said... turned almost everything off and still can`t disable the wakelocks it is causing (as even I haven`t done anything)
man thats great.
I have seen that this phone gets good battery. Maybe it will be close to the old green screen and non smart phone battery life lol.
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Haven`t got any problems with play store tbh, but maps is a huge pain in the a**, as you can see in the shots provided. As I said... turned almost everything off and still can`t disable the wakelocks it is causing (as even I haven`t done anything)
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once you sign in to google now is when this all starts, the maps eat more battery than anything else, at least for me anyway.
I have been saying this pretty often, but that's because it works
Try greenify!
I have almost no wakelocks mainly thanks to this app
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thom109 said:
I have been saying this pretty often, but that's because it works
Try greenify!
I have almost no wakelocks mainly thanks to this app
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disable auto sync on those apps you greenified ...thats all greenify does , (when u put it in deep sleep u cant sync or disable sync on thos apps, apps are auto killed and put to deep sleep) there will be no need to even install it then. there is nothing magical happening. just a another way to fool users.
I've been trying to nail down the maps wakelock which appears to be NetworklocationLocator. It's been driving me mad! I disabled everything in maps but no better. Then I found another setting and I've had a huge improvement since.
Try this:
Settings > Accounts and Sync > Google > Location Settings > Location Access. Now turn off Google's location Service.
This will give you loads more battery and use less data. The downside? The weather location doesn't show current location. I just fix the weather manually to my home town. That's all I need. If I'm passing through Slough on the train I don't need the weather forecast for it! Also in maps it doesn't give you an approx fix, instead just turn on GPS like you would anyway and get the fix.
i really don't see much,if anything, wrong here. You have 5 hours and 50 minutes of awake time, less 2 hours and 10 minutes where the screen was on and another 1 hour and 5 minutes that the phone was active. So in reality you only have about 2.5 hours of time out of 60 where the phone could have been in deep sleep but wasn't.
Out of that 2.5 hours, 1 hour was google talk/hangouts, which you can simply sign out of, and 20 minutes is htc weather updates. That's leaving you with just over an hour out of 60, or about 1.5%, which is excellent.
You could probably do even a bit better by greenifying facebook and maps.
The kernel wakelocks are normal, the phone needs to spend some time keeping the OS running and communicating with the cell towers, i bet everyone will see similar msm_hsic_host usage as long as they have the cell radio running.
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once you sign in to google now is when this all starts, the maps eat more battery than anything else, at least for me anyway.
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I keep mine logged into Google Now; I have the widget on my desktop. I have not seen any battery impact.
To OP:
I see that you are having 2 days of No Data Connection in BatteryStats, as shown below. Is it because you are connected to Wifi all the while instead of connected to the 3G mobile network? And your wifi has been turned on for more than a day. Basically, is 3G that kills battery. Perhaps you can try not to be connected to Wifi and see if the phone can last more than a day?
Thanks!
Every Android user should try Greenify:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify&hl=en
It's an amazing app! With great smoothness and battery life.:good:
u can go to settings ' apps , all disable google maps . u will then see google maps not running in the backgrounfd
use a 3rd paty app for navigation if u need it
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The kernel wakelocks are normal, the phone needs to spend some time keeping the OS running and communicating with the cell towers, i bet everyone will see similar msm_hsic_host usage as long as they have the cell radio running.
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I sometimes see hours of that wakelock during a day, even overnight almost 15 minutes
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I keep mine logged into Google Now; I have the widget on my desktop. I have not seen any battery impact.
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Turn Google Now off and see the improvement!
Source: http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3/862515-note-3-horrable-battery-life.html
1. Reboot daily, and do it when the phone is fully charged AND STILL ON THE CHARGER! Let it sit on the charger for a good five minutes so it goes through the whole boot process without taking any battery usage.
2. find the best (lowest) screen brightness you can live with and set that as your fixed screen brightness. Using Auto-brightness is NOT a good battery saver.
3. Active Apps Manager. I also put this right on the front screen. It's a little number inside a circle. The number is for how many apps are currently running in your phone's memory. The circle around the number turns colors from green to orange to red. If it's red then at least one of your running apps is using the cpu and therefore battery. If it's green then the apps are idle and not using much battery. You can press the button and it will show you what apps are open and what percentage of cpu is being used.
This little widget is invaluable in telling you which apps are notorious for using the cpu (and battery) even though you are not actively using them. It helps you understand which apps you need to kill off each time you use them. For instance I have found that almost all my news apps that have notifications activated will continued to run and eat battery. Also, my chess app, Chess.com. So now I just know to kill them off after I'm done using them.
4. Turn off wifi, bluetooth, gps, 4G, syncing and don't use any live wallpapers.
5. Enable Developer Options and check 'disable hardware overlays' and then 'enable MSAA' (automatically turned off on reboot)
Whats the point in having WiFi, Bluetooth, 4G if you're suggesting to turn it off?? Might want to think that part over again buddy lol
speedyjay said:
Whats the point in having WiFi, Bluetooth, 4G if you're suggesting to turn it off?? Might want to think that part over again buddy lol
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Off when you are not using them.
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Thats too simple
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Off when you are not using them.
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You can still have them on....but turn scanning off. Seriously dude, i think you need to get to know android a bit better.
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You can still have them on....but turn scanning off. Seriously dude, i think you need to get to know android a bit better.
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hardware uses battery power, when its on, even when not using it or its not scanning.
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hardware uses battery power, when its on, even when not using it or its not scanning.
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No it really doesnt....how can it possibly use power when its not doing anything? With 4G and wifi on....i could easily get 2 days usage out of my device.
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No it really doesnt....how can it possibly use power when its not doing anything? With 4G and wifi on....i could easily get 2 days usage out of my device.
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ok, i don't know about this.
hey guys,
before 2 days i finally got my note 4 after a long time with iphones,a few words wow! what a great phone! i dont know what i did with iphone so many years. everything is open and so simple and i really glad i chose to go with the note 4.
now i have some questions (The most important question is the battery life) and much more questions and i will glad if you can help me with all of the questions.
ok lets start,
1. the most important questions is my first question and is about the battery life, When I received the note 4 I waited for fully discharged for the first use until the device turns off, and then I charged it again (with fast charging without turn of the device) and i fell asleep and then in the morning was 100% so i turn the device (yes I know not to leave it charging all night even after the device is already 100% but its happend ) well I noticed that the battery runs out really fast, and my use was quite low and I do not know how! For example, after a 3 hours of use the battery goes from 100% to 60% and after more two hours its was 35%. excpet this i saw when i got 5-6% i was playing a bit with the settings and after 2-3 min the device turns off. how 5-6% in 2-3 min and even less?
this is the things i did to save my battery life already:
sound settings: turns off - vibrate while ringing, dailing keypad tone, touch sound, screen lock sound, sounds when tapped, vibrate when tapped and all the rest.
brightness: almost the lowest and even now i tried auto - btw what is the best to do - auto brightness or to set it your own on low brightness?
bluetooth - off
closing applications with the "recent app button" - V
GPS - off
Disable Pen Detection - off
and more settings that i dont remmber.
here is a picture of my power saving in settings (before i charge it without "fast charing") Do not know if this is related but just mention that
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so what should i do to to extend my battery life? because my battery life very poor.
Sub Questions about the battery:
a. which way is the best to charge the note? wait until the device turns off and then to charge it to 100%? or what?
b. fast charing option is good? right now i turns the option off and my device charging while he off. what do you recommend to turn off the feature or on?
2. i heard when i force stop applications in "applications manager" is good is that true? is effect on the battery life?
look at the picture i uploaded from there,
the settings are good? do i have to force stop applications? i will glad to hear a short explanation about this.
3. about the RAM usage, applications thats running or i dont know how to call it, look at the picture i uploaded:
1.6 GB in use and sometimes its even 2GB in use, i really dont know how! i didnt use so many applications.
it is ok to close apps from here or to let the system to handle it? and is effect on the battery life? i really glad to short explantion about it also.
4. the google syncs its like iCloud in apple? i saw in settings alot of marks like: calander, contacts, and many more can sync to google+, what thats means? its will upload to google sync cloud? or its just a backup to the contacts? i really dont understand this.
5. i used wazzapmigrator app to my note from iphone to transfer all my whatsapp history chat, is it safe? everything works good i just ask it to be sure. by the way i use the "LITE" version of free download and now each message have - LITE, if i buy the full version its will remove it?
and a sub question, i used smartswitch to transfer my notes, calander, contacts is ok?
Sorry for the ignorance i know i asked so many stupid questions but i have to solve them.
thank you very much!!
1. I will say that the battery needs to be settled with our use, so if you got bad batt life in first few days of use, it will become better later..
And also you can turn off feature that you don't use or hate it.. for me, I always disable vibration and that sound when typing with keyboard because that disturb me..
2. You can use the force close, it's just like force closing apps in pc.. you know, in pc we can force close app with the task manager via ctrl+alt+del.. it's just like that..
3. For me, I let the system handle it.. me too have same amount of ram used as in your picture, and the phone is still buttery smooth..
And you can disable (turn off) preinstalled app (bloatware) that you don't use, like me, I disable evernote, dropbox, instagram, etc. so they won't run in background..
4. I'm not experienced with apple icloud system, but I think they have same functionality.. That sync is provided so if you change your device or maybe lost it, you still have your data with you in the new phone, but I never use it so much because I can keep my phone well
5. I can't answer this as I'm not using whatsapp..
And 1 more :
Welcome to the android world
heres mine with auto brightness, gps high acc, bluetooth on, wifi on, display wallpaper full black, animations off, fast charging off - after a full day of work. rarely gets below 40%. exynos 910u variant.
ar216893 said:
1. I will say that the battery needs to be settled with our use, so if you got bad batt life in first few days of use, it will become better later..
And also you can turn off feature that you don't use or hate it.. for me, I always disable vibration and that sound when typing with keyboard because that disturb me..
2. You can use the force close, it's just like force closing apps in pc.. you know, in pc we can force close app with the task manager via ctrl+alt+del.. it's just like that..
3. For me, I let the system handle it.. me too have same amount of ram used as in your picture, and the phone is still buttery smooth..
And you can disable (turn off) preinstalled app (bloatware) that you don't use, like me, I disable evernote, dropbox, instagram, etc. so they won't run in background..
4. I'm not experienced with apple icloud system, but I think they have same functionality.. That sync is provided so if you change your device or maybe lost it, you still have your data with you in the new phone, but I never use it so much because I can keep my phone well
5. I can't answer this as I'm not using whatsapp..
And 1 more :
Welcome to the android world
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first of all thank you for all the answers!
1. oh k, i hope its will be better. I considered to use the warranty and replace the battery but its make no sense because i bought the note before 2 days ago the battery is new from the box.
what do you recommend me to do?
and by the way to use auto brightness or to put it my self? and which way is the best way to charge the battery?
and i had 100% in in less then hour is drops to 88% only with whatsapp use, really strange.
and here is an update screenshot from my power save settings, 62% screen! i guess is the problem of my battery. so how can i make it lower? to 10-20 and even 30 its will make my battery better i guess no?
2. ok, and there is so many apps thats i dont have any idea what to do with them, devicetest, DCM,SERVICEMODE and alot more do not touch them? to close only Known Applications? and the most important, thats is effect on the battery life?
3. but evernote,instagram and all of this is in the manage applications also so whats its the diffrence and its effect on battery life also?
4. oh ok great!
5. k, and about smartswitch it is good? i used it to transfer contacts/notes.
thanks again!
zurkx said:
heres mine with auto brightness, gps high acc, bluetooth on, wifi on, display wallpaper full black, animations off, fast charging off - after a full day of work. rarely gets below 40%. exynos 910u variant.
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here is a update screenshot from now,
i guess the screen is the problem of my battery how can i make it lower to 10-20 more/less? thats is the question.
do you think this is the issue thats my battery life poor?
yes its definitely your screen.
put it to basic, use a 256x144 full black wallpaper scaled up ( i attached one), turn animations off in dev options on your settings, set smart look on, set timeout to 10 seconds (dont worry smart look will prevent device shutting screen off while you look at it).
Just to show you i am not cheating and not using my note you can see my applications and memory usage, which is more than yours .
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yes its definitely your screen.
put it to basic, use a 256x144 full black wallpaper scaled up ( i attached one), turn animations off in dev options on your settings, set smart look on, set timeout to 10 seconds (dont worry smart look will prevent device shutting screen off while you look at it).
Just to show you i am not cheating and not using my note you can see my applications and memory usage, which is more than yours .
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ok i hope is the screen.
well one of your screenshot doesnt work and all the rest i belive you about the usage/ram
ok i did the picture on basic, but still the screen is on 62% i have to wait until is drops or what?and where is the set it on 256/144 scaled up? and i cant find the animations also in the settings.
smart look you mean smart stay? to put it on? and screen timeout is on 15 seconds is the lowest.
and one more thingthe brightness should be on auto? and what is the auto adjust screen tone put it on? have alot settings in the screen settings i really dont know haha.
i will glad if you help me find those settings. i have to lower my screen percentage from 60% to 10-20-30 at least.
thanks!
the black image i posted up is a 256 x 144 image. download it to your note and set it as background.
settings- display screen - mode - basic.
enable auto adjust screen tone.
smart stay enable.
daydream off
touch light key duration 1.5s
screen timeout 15s
brightness -5 auto
settings - developer options - windows animation scale off. transition scale off duration scale off. show all ANRs.
(you will have to enable dev options - click on build number in about device 7 times)
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the black image i posted up is a 256 x 144 image. download it to your note and set it as background.
settings- display screen - mode - basic.
enable auto adjust screen tone.
smart stay enable.
daydream off
touch light key duration 1.5s
screen timeout 15s
brightness -5 auto
settings - developer options - windows animation scale off. transition scale off duration scale off. show all ANRs.
(you will have to enable dev options - click on build number in about device 7 times)
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thanks!
i did everything you said in the screen settings, but still in the power saving the screen is on 63% why?
When it should to drops? do i have to reset? charage again? wait? dont get it
and about the black image i dont want it on my wallpaper is that necessary?
about the dev options i enable it, when i set the scale off my screen become to red and flickering 10-15 sec until i stop the dev options. what is that?
so i didnt change the dev settings i did it off right now. what is this red flickering screen?
and btw i cant to disable/hide the dev options now right?
it will recalculate after 24 hrs.
the black screen is necessary - amoleds consume power on lit pixels.
scale off with animations off shouldnt cause flickering. sure you didnt switch anything else on ?
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it will recalculate after 24 hrs.
the black screen is necessary - amoleds consume power on lit pixels.
scale off with animations off shouldnt cause flickering. sure you didnt switch anything else on ?
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what you mean recalculate after 24 hrs, the screen percentageon power saving?
and about the black screen i got it, but i change all those settings
settings- display screen - mode - basic.
enable auto adjust screen tone.
smart stay enable.
daydream off
touch light key duration 1.5s
screen timeout 15s
brightness -5 auto
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thats should do enough no? about the black wallpaper, its just for fit or i have to stay with the black wallpaper?
and about the flickering no, i didnt change nothing else excpet scale and then its start to red flickering all over the screen. do you hear about it? its so strange. do i have to worry about it?
btw, can i hide the dev options?
1Neo said:
2. ok, and there is so many apps thats i dont have any idea what to do with them, devicetest, DCM,SERVICEMODE and alot more do not touch them? to close only Known Applications? and the most important, thats is effect on the battery life?
3. but evernote,instagram and all of this is in the manage applications also so whats its the diffrence and its effect on battery life also?
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instead of manually force stop these app, you can open Settings > App manager > select apps and select Turn Off.
If you are not sure which app is safely can be turned off, you can post a list of apps here, I or maybe someone else will tell you which app can be safely turned off.
If you have rooted, you can remove them completely.
1Neo said:
first of all thank you for all the answers!
1. oh k, i hope its will be better. I considered to use the warranty and replace the battery but its make no sense because i bought the note before 2 days ago the battery is new from the box.
what do you recommend me to do?
and by the way to use auto brightness or to put it my self? and which way is the best way to charge the battery?
and i had 100% in in less then hour is drops to 88% only with whatsapp use, really strange.
and here is an update screenshot from my power save settings, 62% screen! i guess is the problem of my battery. so how can i make it lower? to 10-20 and even 30 its will make my battery better i guess no?
2. ok, and there is so many apps thats i dont have any idea what to do with them, devicetest, DCM,SERVICEMODE and alot more do not touch them? to close only Known Applications? and the most important, thats is effect on the battery life?
3. but evernote,instagram and all of this is in the manage applications also so whats its the diffrence and its effect on battery life also?
4. oh ok great!
5. k, and about smartswitch it is good? i used it to transfer contacts/notes.
thanks again!
here is a update screenshot from now,
i guess the screen is the problem of my battery how can i make it lower to 10-20 more/less? thats is the question.
do you think this is the issue thats my battery life poor?
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1. How long is your replacement warranty ? I suggest to wait it til the last day..
That screen percentage is show how much you use it.. screen will go high if you use it.. but that 60+ % is something.. I use my device often, and it's only as high as 30 something percent
2. I'll leave something that I didn't know.. You better google it to see it's used or not..
3. If you connect those apps, it's surely will drain the battery.. but I'm still turn it off if I not use it.. just in case they run in background..
5. I haven't used that apps..
vndnguyen said:
instead of manually force stop these app, you can open Settings > App manager > select apps and select Turn Off.
If you are not sure which app is safely can be turned off, you can post a list of apps here, I or maybe someone else will tell you which app can be safely turned off.
If you have rooted, you can remove them completely.
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at the app manager, the downloaded section all the apps i know i stops everything thats i dont use.
at the running section there is some apps i dont know like quick connect interaction, com.sec android.app, tuiservice,context service and many more..
at all section is more than 100 things, alot are 0.00B with an android icon i dont know if to touch it.
ar216893 said:
1. How long is your replacement warranty ? I suggest to wait it til the last day..
That screen percentage is show how much you use it.. screen will go high if you use it.. but that 60+ % is something.. I use my device often, and it's only as high as 30 something percent
2. I'll leave something that I didn't know.. You better google it to see it's used or not..
3. If you connect those apps, it's surely will drain the battery.. but I'm still turn it off if I not use it.. just in case they run in background..
5. I haven't used that apps..
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1. i bought 2 days ago and i have 1 year warranty for battery replace.
yes now the screen is on 53% i guess like zurkx said its recalculate every 24hr no? before 1hr its was 63% so i hope its will be less and my battery should be better no?
but you know how long the note 4 battery life should work for while playing music/games/notes/settings ? 6 hrs? 9 hrs?
3. oh ok.
and btw anyone know what happend me before when i enable the devs options? i mean the flickering screen for few seconds thats i talked about before few comments.
and how i can hide the devs options?
thanks guys!
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and how i can hide the devs options?
thanks guys!
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here is how: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40781009&postcount=10
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here is how: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40781009&postcount=10
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btw, i found a guide how to remove the dev options very easy, just go to settings- application manager - all - searcing for "settings" and then click on clear data and thats it!
the only thing i dont know its what its doing to my settings, anyone? or im fine?
and someone can tell me if the red flickering thats happend me in the dev options is ok? i didnt got it again i just ask to be sure.
1Neo said:
btw, i found a guide how to remove the dev options very easy, just go to settings- application manager - all - searcing for "settings" and then click on clear data and thats it!
the only thing i dont know its what its doing to my settings, anyone? or im fine?
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In my device that button (Clear Data) was dimmed so I cannot clear data.
I don't know why.
and someone can tell me if the red flickering thats happend me in the dev options is ok? i didnt got it again i just ask to be sure.
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What option did you mention?
Don't know what you mean. can you show a screenshot?
vndnguyen said:
here is how: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40781009&postcount=10
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vndnguyen said:
In my device that button (Clear Data) was dimmed so I cannot clear data.
I don't know why.
What option did you mention?
Don't know what you mean. can you show a screenshot?
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someone told me here to do this,
settings - developer options - windows animation scale off. transition scale off duration scale off. show all ANRs.
(you will have to enable dev options - click on build number in about device 7 times)
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and when i turn off the scale animation the screen start to flickering on red colors, after 5-10 sec its stopped and never happend again.
should i have to worried? btw like i said i already removed/hide the devs options from settings with the guide thats i showed you.
i found a picture from another website of the same problem thats happend to me but for nexus,
the same thing happend to me but its was flickering.
the question if i have to worry about it and do a reset or to forgot it? its happend only one time.
thank you
dont wory after 4-6 cycle of complete charging and discharghing it will get better
jraman said:
dont wory after 4-6 cycle of complete charging and discharghing it will get better
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good to know, do i have to keep playing my note normaly and charage it when is 10-20% or wait until the battery is empty?
just keep normal and charage it when i need and its will be better?
1Neo said:
good to know, do i have to keep playing my note normaly and charage it when is 10-20% or wait until the battery is empty?
just keep normal and charage it when i need and its will be better?
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charge your phone when battery drops to 10-15%