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I'm leaning towards Sense UI. They made a lot of changes to android that I like and it seems faster than the stock launcher and other home replacements.
iVisionX01 said:
I'm leaning towards Sense UI. They made a lot of changes to android that I like and it seems faster than the stock launcher and other home replacements.
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The custom ROM that is in alpha by Modaco made me want to switch to it already. It has some bugs that I could not handle so I had to reflash my nandroid back up.
But that ROM is going to be awesome.
I tried the Desire Rom but franky I don´t like the sense interface. I flashed back after two hours
Having used sense on WiMo and now having used and seen what can be achieved on Android (via widgets etc) have to say MUCH prefer the stock UI + a few widgets.
I'm digging the pinch-to-zoom for seven home screens feature, but not a big fan of the ^ Phone + tab at the bottom. Way too big, feels like a waste of screen real estate.
I must admit that HTC's widgets do eliminate the need for beautiful widgets/pure calendar/et al, though. And the browser is a great improvement over stock for the most part (barring the bookmarks, which is something of a clusterfuck). Gallery performs better and faster than stock 2.1 but, of course, lacks the 3D eyecandy.
I'm not really a fan of sense.. Yea its nice, but its very serious and too luxurious.. like an Armani suit. Yea it looks good but like a nice but it just feels constricting to me. And i know its a beta but the scrolling it way way smoother on the nexus with the .32 highmem kernel. Once the rom has gone beta with a highmem kernel i guess I'll give it another shot.
Sense UI isn't bad at all. Sense is a godsend for WinMo, whereas for andriod I do prefer stock over Sense.
rydr1 said:
The custom ROM that is in alpha by Modaco made me want to switch to it already. It has some bugs that I could not handle so I had to reflash my nandroid back up.
But that ROM is going to be awesome.
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True Indeed.. This ROM has been very nice.. I have been with him since Alpha 0-1. So This is nice.. Now, Sense UI is for the intuitive individual.. If you dont like fancy things then stay away from even an Android Device.. Stock Is great, But remember, That's not it, 1.5 and 1.6 even 2.0.1 were very diff from what we posses on 2.1. Much of what was changed, was Devoted per say to an Evolution, not revolution...
From There we have seen it go from Crap to finesse. Now, Sense UI is much more capable than Stock which is why MODACO did what he did.. It was needed Dude, Freaking Needed.. Put it this way, if all you look at is the Stock version of 2.1 all day then that is what you will love... If your an individual like me who has had EVERY ANDROID PHONE MADE, EVERY ONE... you understand the differences.. and appreciate the Sense UI...
Jesus Cat...
Makaijin said:
Sense UI isn't bad at all. Sense is a godsend for WinMo, whereas for andriod I do prefer stock over Sense.
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I agree, Sense is like make-up. Sure, it hugely improves the dog that is WinMo but Android is pretty sexy without it and, actually, it makes her look a bit slaggy
Sense icons are fugly.
It would be nice to have the Sense widgets though.
Sense is nice. it just seems too cluttered. its a nice clean, slick clutter. stock UI would be great with a pinch of sense UI thrown in. like the home screen pinch. the browser was nice...the mag while dragging finger across text...etc.
Aw man. I was so excited to get my Sense UI running. But after reading this thread, I got depressed
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After a little while, I am now thinking about it and I can see it objectively:
+ Sense Widgets: Simply awesome
+ Browser: Amazing (I absolutely LOVE the 100% full-screen browser. The scroll bars even fade out, which Dolphin does not do)
+ Flash Lite: Nuff said
+ Pinch to zoom to see all home screens: I have fallen in love with this feature. I can't imagine how I lived without it!
- The bottom bar with the tray and phone is ridiculously ugly, large, and useless. I almost never use the phone (ironic eh? ), so having such a HUGE shortcut on every damn screen is horrible. 100% absolute crap. I miss stock Android's simplicity with its single tiny grid box.
- Menus like contacts that are all white with black borders etc -- these screens make me want to PUKE they are so UGLY!!! I'd rather have stock Android's black menus than these.
Stock Android + Sense Widgets + Browser + Flash + Home Screen Pinch to Zoom and BAM, best ROM ever!
The question is... Can it be done??????
jp_macaroni said:
Sense icons are fugly.
It would be nice to have the Sense widgets though.
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Agreed... these are the only advantages Sense has over stock. As long as we get flash, of course.
Looks like the debate between Sense and Stock depend on personal taste. I think Sense UI looks great. Not to mention there are a lot of small tweaks that I like and wish were in the stock UI such as When you turn your ringer down all the way it goes to vibrate not silent also when you get notifications while playing music the notifications play with the music instead of stopping the music.
For me sense –
Widgets (manly music player and calendar widget)
Smart dial pad
HTC keyboard
And the overall look of sense i think looks quite nice.
Yeah..someone should make a Fusion ROM. then give use a kitchen.
seriously tho...the HTC keyboard that doesn't put a space after every correction...that's what I like and am running right now...how did Google f that up?
There isn't anything on the Sense UI that I can't do with stock and a few nice widgets.
I, personally, think the Sense UI for Android is overrated and carrys too much overhead.
Now, for WinMo, yeah, it was pretty much a given that it was needed, the default UI sucked pretty hard...
Talderon said:
There isn't anything on the Sense UI that I can't do with stock and a few nice widgets.
I, personally, think the Sense UI for Android is overrated and carrys too much overhead.
Now, for WinMo, yeah, it was pretty much a given that it was needed, the default UI sucked pretty hard...
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-Nice weather animation if you have the clock & weather widget
-Leap/Multitouch home screen
-Scrollable widgets
-Music Controls on lockscreen with cover art.
Paul22000 said:
Stock Android + Sense Widgets + Browser + Flash + Home Screen Pinch to Zoom and BAM, best ROM ever!
The question is... Can it be done??????
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Oh man, this has been talked about since the day Sense was first out for the G1!
Sadly, Sense UI's widgets, Browser, and other stuff works only with Sense UI because of the way the apps are deeply embedded into the framework of the build, we can pull the apps and install them to stock, but they need Sense to actually run.
I missed Sense UI, so I'm glad it's been ported.
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Oh man, this has been talked about since the day Sense was first out for the G1!
Sadly, Sense UI's widgets, Browser, and other stuff works only with Sense UI because of the way the apps are deeply embedded into the framework of the build, we can pull the apps and install them to stock, but they need Sense to actually run.
I missed Sense UI, so I'm glad it's been ported.
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Many seem to want the HTC Desire ROM for Sense UI just because of the HTC apps and widgets. People like me prefer the Stock experience with the HTC apps and widgets installed.
Some of the reasons for this include the preference of the consistent Googley look and feel, smoother scrolling on stock apps, and many other objective and subjective reasons.
Modaco provides an Online Kitchen for making custom HTC Desire port ROMs for N1. On the kitchen, you can choose to not include the Sense/Rosie app in the ROM. This is a huge step to creating the stock look and feel. How do we install the custom launcher without the need to bake a custom ROM with the Online Kitchen? Will this also convert the overall look and feel to the stock one?
Because we can't install HTC apps and widgets without the whole HTC Sense UI framework, how do we achieve seemingly having a stock ROM look and feel + HTC apps and widgets?
*I support Modaco and recommend signing up for premium membership. I just don't have the means to afford it. To those who can afford, please consider supporting great devs by donating in ways like singing up for premium membership
Code:
adb shell rm /system/app/Rosie.apk
will drop Rosie and give you your standard launcher. I highly recommend grabbing 'Root Explorer' from the Market and perusing the /system/app dir.
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Code:
adb shell rm /system/app/Rosie.apk
will drop Rosie and give you your standard launcher. I highly recommend grabbing 'Root Explorer' from the Market and perusing the /system/app dir.
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Coool!
Just wondering, great sir, why did you decide to drop Rosie?
edit: oops. I thought, you meant, you're going to drop Rosie on the HTC Desire port ROM. I misunderstood. Sorry
anthro said:
Many seem to want the HTC Desire ROM for Sense UI just because of the HTC apps and widgets. People like me prefer the Stock experience with the HTC apps and widgets installed.
Some of the reasons for this include the preference of the consistent Googley look and feel, smoother scrolling on stock apps, and many other objective and subjective reasons.
Modaco provides an Online Kitchen for making custom HTC Desire port ROMs for N1. On the kitchen, you can choose to not include the Sense/Rosie app in the ROM. This is a huge step to creating the stock look and feel. How do we install the custom launcher without the need to bake a custom ROM with the Online Kitchen? Will this also convert the overall look and feel to the stock one?
Because we can't install HTC apps and widgets without the whole HTC Sense UI framework, how do we achieve seemingly having a stock ROM look and feel + HTC apps and widgets?
*I support Modaco and recommend signing up for premium membership. I just don't have the means to afford it. To those who can afford, please consider supporting great devs by donating in ways like singing up for premium membership
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Good idea!!!
I vote for that!!!
anthro said:
Coool!
Just wondering, great sir, why did you decide to drop Rosie?
edit: oops. I thought, you meant, you're going to drop Rosie on the HTC Desire port ROM. I misunderstood. Sorry
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false happiness....
ZeuBug said:
false happiness....
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I was able to drop Rosie.
This can be done by simple using Home Switcher (an app on the Market) to use "Launcher" instead of "Rosie" as the Home app. However, HTC widgets can't be used without Rosie. HTC apps are fine without it, though
Still a step forward.
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I also noticed that things are still kinda laggy. Scrolling the stock app list isn't as smooth as how it is on stock or other ROMs. Probably, the lag is caused by the ROM. It's still in alpha so we'll just have to wait. Still very early now
I figured I was in the minority here with zero interest in senseUI. I quite like the stock look/feel of android 2.1 but can fully appreciate the user experience the widgets and such inside sense provides.
I do wonder if all of the rom creators are going to jump on the senseUI bandwagon and move away from the stock experience leaving those of us who rather not touch HTC's bastardization out in the cold Thankfully Paul seems to be keeping everyone in mind with his roms...I wonder what Cyan is going to do with future releases...
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Strange is, that on Hero (with SenseUI) everybody wanted a stock rom without it, and on Nexus (without SenseUI, you know) everybody wants these lame senseUI.
I like this smooth on stock Android, hoping, that Paul and cyanogen creates there good stuff, based on real Nexus code wthout anything of the HTC stuff.
I dn't know, why there is so much hype about these Desire ROMs for Nexus.
I belive it will be better to make the stock ROMs better...
ZeuBug said:
false happiness....
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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Formel-LMS said:
Strange is, that on Hero (with SenseUI) everybody wanted a stock rom without it, and on Nexus (without SenseUI, you know) everybody wants these lame senseUI.
I like this smooth on stock Android, hoping, that Paul and cyanogen creates there good stuff, based on real Nexus code wthout anything of the HTC stuff.
I dn't know, why there is so much hype about these Desire ROMs for Nexus.
I belive it will be better to make the stock ROMs better...
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2,5 things interesting me in Desire rom:
1) HTC PDF Viewer
2) highlight text for copy (like on iphone)
3) flash player in web browser (it's 0,5 thing, because work not well on all websites.... )
I hate the rest... (after test Paul roms) it's just my modest opinion!
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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Because we would like to have some sense app on stock rom! not to have Desire rom with stock apps!
You make a great work but for my daily use, there to much bug for now... (bluetooth, flash, missed app in market, etc...)
I'm sure in next weeks I could make another good try on your rom!
PS: did you see my private msg on Modaco? thanks!
Dislike sense UI love the stock look.
But HTC'S framework do have quite a few added extras that would make the stock 2.1 awesome all around.
one being the select text format similar to the iphone. The camera on desire is 100x way more attractive then the stock one. The htc camera makes you feel like your holding a 2010 product. The stock camera feels and looks like is a polaroid cam.
To have desire with everything it brings widgets, apps & have the stock look feel and dialer is my DESIRE.
The dialer on HTC'S is awful. I am so used to stock 2.1 contacts app is just awesome.
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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you cant run the widgets and thats what the OP was talking about.
I'd like to use the stock contacts and dialer because the HTC dialer doesn't let me dial out using my google voice number.
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2,5 things interesting me in Desire rom:
1) HTC PDF Viewer
2) highlight text for copy (like on iphone)
3) flash player in web browser (it's 0,5 thing, because work not well on all websites.... )
I hate the rest... (after test Paul roms) it's just my modest opinion!
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I'll give you numbers one and two. At least the nexus will be getting (as far as we all know anyways) full flash (10.1) while the desire thus far has flash lite...
These three are not enough to keep me stomaching seuseui though.
Its all a matter of opinion on what you like. I was trying to get a lot of what the senseui does natively already on my stock 2.1 so it makes things easier for me. I can't see all that much of a difference in stock 2.1 vs. senseui in terms of how it looks anyways. Just a couple small visual differences.
The senseui has a lot to offer over stock. The apps, widgets, clock, lock screen that allows control over music, better copy and paste, browser is better, ability to call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon, flat scrolling for me in programs is better than a 3d scroll, dark status bar unlike the white stock,
Most of this can be done through market apps and or tweaks done to a stock rom but this seems to do it better all in one. The things senseui does not have that are on stock I just move over.
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Its all a matter of opinion on what you like. I was trying to get a lot of what the senseui does natively already on my stock 2.1 so it makes things easier for me. I can't see all that much of a difference in stock 2.1 vs. senseui in terms of how it looks anyways. Just a couple small visual differences.
The senseui has a lot to offer over stock. The apps, widgets, clock, lock screen that allows control over music, better copy and paste, browser is better, ability to call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon, flat scrolling for me in programs is better than a 3d scroll, dark status bar unlike the white stock,
Most of this can be done through market apps and or tweaks done to a stock rom but this seems to do it better all in one. The things senseui does not have that are on stock I just move over.
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How can you? " call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon"
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How can you? " call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon"
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I only meant that with senseui the phone icon follows you through all 7 pages as opposed to the stock 2.1 where you have to click on the actual phone icon to launch the dialer.
bradthemac said:
I only meant that with senseui the phone icon follows you through all 7 pages as opposed to the stock 2.1 where you have to click on the actual phone icon to launch the dialer.
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Simple solution for that really...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630659
Obviously this mimics the way sense handles things but such a simple mod removes yet another reason to change the entire interface.
I don't find the sense ui intuitive, nor do I like it as a whole much in the same way I don't like apple's ui or find it intuitive
But as you said before, it's all a matter of opinion. I assume if I were to force myself to acclimate to sense, I would get used to it. This all becomes a moot point though if/when flash 10.1 hits for our phones and not for the desire/sense. People will have to choose between full flash (assuming that the desire sticks with flash lite) and sense...unless someone manages to build a nexus-centric rom with sense baked in
how to make stock launcher
made this thread a wee bit earlier, its the best recourse for those who want a stock launcher.
it wont let me paste a forum link but if you google search
stock froyo launcher htc desire
its the first one that comes up.
please link this to other forums, im not an active forum member/ poster but a lot of people have been looking for this.
HI.
Since there are three main roms (like i think) i would like to know, which one you are using including launcher.
stock + home++
The custom ROMS are so tempting. Gets better every day so I'm waiting.
Desire with Sense. Was getting bored of the stock look and home replacements.
Stock/Stock
CM + Home++
stock, stock for me.. Just waiting patiently for the perfect one for my needs!!
i still don´t know, if i should stay with cm or switch to the desire rom. hmm
I don't stay on anyone long enough to say...
As I type, I am on my custom cooked Modaco Desire a10, before that it was Manup's Desire, before that it was CM, and by the end of today I will be on my custom cooked Modaco stock.
If you are wondering what is the best, for me it is a combo.
Stock (but with .32 Kernal), OpenHome/GDE More often OpenHome
thanks for the input.
i think i will stay with CM and stock launcher
The Spirit said:
thanks for the input.
i think i will stay with CM and stock launcher
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lol, why base your choice on other people's opinions? Make up your own mind...
Try out others like Sense and see what YOU like.
And I'm willing to bet that a lot of those people who voted stock haven't tried Sense
optimized CM, auto rotating homescreen launcher, black bar, HTC_IME with transparent patch.
This made my phone friggin sweet.
Voted CM + Stock Launcher, but today I updated to NexTheme's Launcher. I just wish the whole NexTheme would go with Cyan to replace all of the Green. So sick of Green, Green, and more freakin' Green!
I barely prefer stock at this point but the only sense I've tried was on g1 which was painful. But I used it enough to know that I prefer stock regardless of speed although I'd appreciate a better stock music app and better Widgets, when google decided to be largely hands off regarding widgets and just include unimpressive but effective ones, I think (hope ) they anticipated much better contributions by devs on that front. But perhaps in time either 3rd parties will offer impressive music/settings/messaging widgets....or else maybe google will give in an upgrade the stock ones. If the Widgets dont change my vote probably will....
Paul22000 said:
lol, why base your choice on other people's opinions? Make up your own mind...
Try out others like Sense and see what YOU like.
And I'm willing to bet that a lot of those people who voted stock haven't tried Sense
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I've tried Sense. It's just a gimicky UI to me.
Carloswithac said:
I've tried Sense. It's just a gimicky UI to me.
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Honestly, I don't exact see how it is possible to prefer the default Vanilla Android over Sense, I can't exactly see what is more beneficial about Vanilla.
Everything is laid out better, everything is more glossy, everything is just so nice in Sense, and everything just integrates and flows so smoothly - while Vanilla is just plain. What is it that makes people prefer Vanilla more? If you want the eye-candy launcher, just switch to it. If you want the glossy 3D Gallery, install it.
Seriously, what makes things better? I KNOW that there will be someone who can easily tell me, and I'm kinda ready to hear their thoughts ^.~ but I believe most of it will be personal preference.. I would think..
i really do not like the laucher for sense at all. i also just do not like the look or feel of sense at all. i love the clock/weather so i got weather widget donate. i love the keyboard so i got HTC_IME. So the stock UI gives you more options and more control.
plus i prefer the stock launcher. I dont mind hitting the home button then going to dailer one. its much better then having that big ugly bar at the bottom.
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Honestly, I don't exact see how it is possible to prefer the default Vanilla Android over Sense, I can't exactly see what is more beneficial about Vanilla.
Everything is laid out better, everything is more glossy, everything is just so nice in Sense, and everything just integrates and flows so smoothly - while Vanilla is just plain. What is it that makes people prefer Vanilla more? If you want the eye-candy launcher, just switch to it. If you want the glossy 3D Gallery, install it.
Seriously, what makes things better? I KNOW that there will be someone who can easily tell me, and I'm kinda ready to hear their thoughts ^.~ but I believe most of it will be personal preference.. I would think..
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You change the the launcher? If i use LauncherPro rather than Sense, what can i not do that i could with stock sense?
Obviously i wont get the same dock, with the theming and the app drawer will change. But im more interested in the apps. Will all the Sense apps still work? Like for example will the camera app remain the HTC one with all the customizations rather than the bland Google one.
SupremeBeaver said:
You change the the launcher? If i use LauncherPro rather than Sense, what can i not do that i could with stock sense?
Obviously i wont get the same dock, with the theming and the app drawer will change. But im more interested in the apps. Will all the Sense apps still work? Like for example will the camera app remain the HTC one with all the customizations rather than the bland Google one.
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The stock apps will work just fine IIRC, but you wont be able to use HTC Sense's widgets.
phunkycow said:
The stock apps will work just fine IIRC, but you wont be able to use HTC Sense's widgets.
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indeed and very true.. only the widgets will not work.. the apps will still work as its still under HTC Sense framework..
htc sense is sorta like the stock, but enhanced. I see that from my eye.. imho
override182 said:
indeed and very true.. only the widgets will not work.. the apps will still work as its still under HTC Sense framework..
htc sense is sorta like the stock, but enhanced. I see that from my eye.. imho
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i dont really like the look of the dock. I like the Froyo look MUCH better. Also with Sense much of the Froyo animations are disabled. LauncherPro brings those back i think.
About the widgets, that's the big drawback i guess.
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About the widgets, that's the big drawback i guess.
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Yeah, but LauncherPro Plus offers almost the same widgets as Sense.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the dififference between sense and non sense builds? I'm not asking which is better. I've read more than enough opinions on that. I'm just wondering what the main differences are. I know that sense has some widgets that I like, like friendstream and the clock, but what else is there to this sense?
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is the dififference between sense and non sense builds? I'm not asking which is better. I've read more than enough opinions on that. I'm just wondering what the main differences are. I know that sense has some widgets that I like, like friendstream and the clock, but what else is there to this sense?
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Quoting someone smarter than me: Sense builds are based on HTC Sense, they're a lot more compatible with our little babies and have some good eyecandy, but are kinda large and slugish for the taste of some ppl, in the other hand, CM or any other non sense builds are based on open source projects, they are less stable (but deff not worthless to give them a try) they are lighter and faster, specially Cyanogen Mod builds. My two cents: give them both (sense no sense) a try and stick it with the one u like more! But remember not only sense makes a diff, kernels, radios, and even installation alternatives (RAM, SD, NAND) make a huge diff...
I would search around youtube and look at the htc desire or evo videos as well as stock android. That will give you a good idea of the differences at least visually of how they are different.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
I do not like the color bars Android "smooth "
The colors of the bars can be customized like the sense? And if yes, how?
Many thanks in advance.
(PS: now use on my HD2 the build SuperRAM_FroYo_V1.5 )
rainbow2112 said:
I do not like the color bars Android "smooth "
The colors of the bars can be customized like the sense? And if yes, how?
Android Builds can be themed.
All of them.
You have to replace images in system-res.apk... (plenty of instructions around)
Sense however, already has a custom HTC theme (or more themes - if you think of newSense phones) and has some system apps replaced with HTC versions.
(Different Launcher + Scrollable Widgets, Different Facebook,Twitter,Contacts,Phone, camera etc... apps)...
It's pretty much like stock winmo 6.5 versus the sense version.
Sense looks pretty and has some additional useful features.
(like green glowing taskbar when in a call)
There are also other Android versions, for example MIUI, motorolas motoUI and samsungs TouchWiz... (and dell and lg and and and...)
I love Cyanogenmod, I love MIUI and I love Sense... I Might like TouchWiz aswell - but there are no ports avaliable for our phones
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domenukk said:
I Might like TouchWiz aswell - but there are no ports avaliable for our phones
Cheers
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You dont need a port, TouchWiz is simply a launcher and you can have it by installing a apk, there is a link on forum ir you search
TheATHEiST said:
You dont need a port, TouchWiz is simply a launcher and you can have it by installing a apk, there is a link on forum ir you search
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Have you ever tried any samsung-android phone?
It's not just the launcher.
Its a different dialer etc.
also in the taskbar you have a power widget like in cyanogenmod...
and if you slide your finger over the notification bar, you can set your screen brightnes...
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Have you ever tried any samsung-android phone?
It's not just the launcher.
Its a different dialer etc.
also in the taskbar you have a power widget like in cyanogenmod...
and if you slide your finger over the notification bar, you can set your screen brightnes...
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what u mean is the framework of android, and yes it can be themed BUT only on Deodexed builds...